BS: Dwindling BS section

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Ed T
Date: 01 Nov 14 - 02:35 PM

LOL-What a ""splat" that last post was gfs.

Do you ever look back and read some if your classic, one of a kind, posts, and try and figure them out? Its kinda like abstract paintings, where the the so-called "artist" just throws paints randomly at a canvas.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: The Sandman
Date: 01 Nov 14 - 02:47 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Nov 14 - 02:55 PM

Ed, What part didn't you get??
maybe the fact you didn't 'get it' is because you're waxing political...and therefore being dumbed down!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Ed T
Date: 01 Nov 14 - 03:05 PM

A good one gfs. :)

Have you ever considered using your stellar talents for professional comedy?

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: GUEST,BrendanB
Date: 01 Nov 14 - 03:17 PM

Haven't been around for a while. What a hoot this thread has proved to be.   So Musket is a conglomeration is he? That explains his careers as a miner, an entrepreneur and senior NHS official - all at the same time. I just thought he was a self-obsessed monomaniac, now I assume they all are. (Purely as a matter of interest, which one of you has a mouth like the lining of a sewer? Just askin'.)
Now then, this is really difficult. I find that not only do I agree with Steve Shaw but I am impressed with the courteous and reasonable way in which his posts are couched. (I would have said that even if I wasn't going to Cornwall next Summer and hoping to find some sessions!)
To those who believe that BS is in its death throes, relax and calm down. There are a lot of people who contribute terrific posts to this section, .Bill D, olddude, gnu, Joe Offer,(me!) and others. Fundamentalist God botherers and guest from sanity aside, most posters seem to be opinionated but sane. Things grow, they change, they develop. If BS becomes too obnoxious, eschatological or offensive it will wither and die. At the moment it seems to be in rude (sometimes very rude) health.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: GUEST,BrendanB
Date: 01 Nov 14 - 03:22 PM

By the way, the B stands for Buckley. I do agree with SS. (Oh, that was unfortunate in a teutonic sort of way).

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Nov 14 - 03:23 PM

The resident Goofup keeps saying the same thing over and over. He could save time and effort if he just had a rubber stamp made.

He's a one trick pony. And that one is dumber than a loud, smelly fart at a formal banquet.

Cthulhu

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Ed T
Date: 01 Nov 14 - 03:31 PM

A good post Cthulhu.
It makes much more sense than gfs' second last one.
;)

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Nov 14 - 03:33 PM

GUEST, 01 Nov 14 - 12:06 PM

Took a look to see who you are. Good to see you and welcome back!

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: GUEST,BrendanB
Date: 01 Nov 14 - 04:30 PM

I meant scatological, obviously. (Avoid reading theological studies over the weekend, it's bad for your controversy muscles.)

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Janie
Date: 01 Nov 14 - 05:37 PM

Well, the BS section may be getting shorter, but this thread sure isn't. One of Us Cannot Be Wrong

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Nov 14 - 07:08 PM

Cheers, Brendan!

As for that longer post of goofus's, it's nice to see him come off drugs for twenty minutes in order to post. Didn't help him much, but hey...

Now look at here, y'all. My sentiment is not that we should all be suddenly revealing our real names. That is not the world in which we currently exist on mudcat. I fully get that. I'm lusting after a rule-change whereby we all put our names in our profiles, not necessarily up front on the forum. Once that kicks in we'll all feel differently. And we'll all be nicer to each other. As nice as me now!

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Nov 14 - 10:01 PM

I wouldn't be any nicer than I already am....

'nice' is my default personality...


In fact if I used my real name, I might just be a right miserable aggressive ****

You're much better off with punkfolkrocker, he's almost likeable...

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 12:44 AM

Ed T: "It makes much more sense than gfs' second last one."

Hey...One man's ceiling is another man's floor.
Sorry some of the self proclaimed smart guys can't seem to decipher it... your head may be shaped like a light bulb..but you ain't very bright!...either that, or you are playing stupid...BTW, no fair cheating!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: GUEST,Steve Shaw nice iPad guy?
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 04:08 AM

I think I'm very nice too. But I can't be sure, so I'll settle for "nice b*ast*ard" for now. That should cover it.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Musket
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 05:01 AM

Fook me. Three personalities and Brendon still gets a bit wrong, that doesn't apply to any of us. No matter. Ian does post slightly more than his 33.3% and only he opens PMs. The bits about where we are coming from, our knowledge of some subjects etc is, as Steve says, not hiding. If an astrophysicist states something about dustbin collections and a dustbin man does, you need to give weighting to the source of the two comments. Of course, when someone prints confusing bullshit on a subject you happen to be a bit of an expert on, you then get called for bragging when you point out why you are in a position to be more definitive. (As opposed to being right. You have to live in Hertford in order to have the self assurance to be right every time.)

A bit like brass. People come on saying its everybody else's fault they are a failure, but anyone who has a bob or two is scorned. Interestingly, such nuggets come out as replies yet are seen as boasts. No matter. In the words of Ian Hislop when challenged about his lack of Twitter and Facebook, "You don't have people on the Internet, just mates and cunts."

Sorry to Mike for not posting for a while. It is a waste of good groundbait to leave the river bank after scattering it. Especially when the fish seem to be biting.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 05:03 AM

Look, I think what draws people to this section of the forum, are other members views on controversial news items, or social issues.
Mudcat BS, can be a terrific debating platform, it's full of intelligent and well educated people, and it used to be a place where discussions ran to thousands of posts on many different subjects.
If we confine ourselves to Fluffy bunny threads or jam making recipes, the section will surely die, for lack of intellectual stimulation.

The advent of "Team Musket" some time ago, signalled a new departure.
I think everyone was aware that more than one person was engaged in a campaign to close down discussion of subjects which THEY thought should not be up for debate.
When it started, I and others warned that it would undermine the forum, excellent contributors like Little Hawk were driven away, as they did not wish to engage with aggressive bullies.

Little Hawk was right, because the tactics of the group were allowed to continue, right up until a few months ago when one moderator in particular started to get a handle on what was happening.
The strange thing, is that these people see no contradiction between their avowed support for "universal equality"...and their frequent denigration of women, older members, and people whom they designate as being of lower intellect.

The behaviour of a section of the membership has been disgraceful in giving tacit support to this abusive trolling....mostly aimed at me but also to anyone who offered any support to my right to post views validated as far as possible by official figures.

I can handle the curses, the death wishes, the libellous claims about cruelty to animals, the snide references to my sexuality, and all the other tactics employed by "Team Musket", but many have not been raised in as tough a "school" and few now have the strength to air views which may run against the predominant view of the membership.


Follow this course, and you end up with Fluffy bunnies and jam making, for breakfast lunch and dinner, "Team Musket" will vanish, leaving an emasculated forum......job done!

Personal abuse is always wrong on this sort of forum....we are ALL intelligent people.
Multiple personas, used as a tactic to troll and silence debate should never be countenanced.....Ake.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 05:03 AM

But nice bastard who puts otiose asterisks in and then spells the word out in full...

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 05:08 AM

Bloody X-posting! That in answer to Steve's last, of course

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 05:41 AM

There is also the other point children, you don't read anyone else's post apart from your own and the child you dislike, consequently all discussion is shut down,then there is the repeating of the same diatribe over and over again. Do any of you know how a discussion works. Listening considering and replying like a grown up,not name calling and sticking your tongue out, then when not happy calling for mummy to delete posts.
Grow up

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Keef
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 05:56 AM

Censorship is like a Chinese takeaway.
You have a plate-full and then an hour later you feel like having some more.
(Please note, the above post contains racist stereotyping and should not be read by anybody)

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Musket
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 06:05 AM

Akenaton. "We are all intelligent people."

If that were true, it would just make your bigotry all the more distasteful and disgusting. Society makes allowances for ignorance but never malice or aforethought.

Propagating hatred and intolerance isn't opinion, it's personality disorder.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Ed T
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 06:49 AM

""Hey...One man's ceiling is another man's floor.""

I get the hint, your feet were on the ceiling, not the floor when you typed that pos. Is it medication? If so, I trust safe, legal stuff.

If you have the capacity to contribute that, why not try an attempt to post material that makes a bit more sense than the nonsense in the post I refered to? Putting up posts that make sense to only you (and possibly your devious, somewhat-slanted and one-issue mudcat buddy) would do more to get your actual message across than the latter, if that is your goal-though I an not convinced that this is so?

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Ed T
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 07:05 AM

""If we confine ourselves to Fluffy bunny threads or jam making recipes, the section will surely die, for lack of intellectual stimulation.""

I get the proposal. Every thread topic on Mudcat should be limited to one issue-why homosexuals should not be provided an equal place in society. Threads on any other topic would make-way, at will, to promote your personal theories why this is so.

For colour, and the certain interest of others, threads will be overtaken by continious back-and-forth nasties, stimulated by your insistance to bring this one issue into every thread topic, including recipes for brown sugar fudge (easily accomplished by taging onto the fudge angle).

An interesting proposal-but, we are almost there now?

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 07:30 AM

?????!

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Ed T
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 07:49 AM

:)))

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: DMcG
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 07:52 AM

I would also say that many people see the only purpose of a discussion to be to convert the other person to your view or to win an argument by demolition of their point of view. However the value often lies in extending your own understanding or clarifying your own thinking.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Musket
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 07:53 AM

Tsk.. Has the worm being trying to introduce his puerile interest topic again?

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 08:02 AM

Ed, I am certainly concerned about the concealment of male homosexual STD rates, but there are many other issues which are adversely affected by "liberal ideology"

In the UK a couple of years ago, the lone voice of Mr Farage spoke out on the idiocy of unregulated immigration.
he was roundly demonised by many here and by the whole of the British media for his views, but he stuck to his guns, putting forward reasoned arguments against un regulated immigration. He was branded a bigot, a racist for even suggesting that EU rules on movement of labour were unworkable due to the state of the UK infrastructure.

Today every UK political party subscribes to his views to a larger or smaller extent and many of the UK electorate would like to withdraw from the EU, as we find it difficult to control affairs within our own country due to EU legislation.

My stance here, speaking as a socialist, is against the more idiotic excesses of "liberal ideology" rather than homosexuality per se.
Mr Farage's views are not connected to race or colour in any way

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Ed T
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 08:06 AM

""I would also say that many people see the only purpose of a discussion to be to convert the other person to your view or to win an argument by demolition of their point of view. ""

"Many", as noted above, may actually be a minority on a few thread topics?

Frequently, on heated thread topics, I suspect there is little anticipation of converting those on the other side of the discussion to conversion. However, there may be an anticipation, often unwarranted, that gullable thread observers (if they exist) might be converted?

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 08:15 AM

DMcG...Don't know who your remarks were directed at, but I have no wish to convert anyone, simply to explain how my views are constructed.
If others would do the same instead of name calling and making unfunny "jokes", perhaps we would have a more interesting and peaceful forum.

Of course, the reason people like ED and "team Musket behave as they do, is that they have NO argument which holds water.
What they have is a "belief" in universal equality, while supporting a system built and dependent on extreme inequality. :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Ed T
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 08:22 AM

""simply to explain how my views are constructed.""

Oh yes, thats why the anti-homosexual rubbish is stated ""over, and over" on threads, regardless if they are on topic or not. Give me a break! You fool noone but the gullible by such nonsense.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: GUEST,Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 08:27 AM

DMcG is quite right. My inner thoughts and viewpoints are often altered by what I read in many threads here. It may not always show straight away, of course.

I should like to ask akenaton to refrain from making any more references to "Team Musket" unless he is prepared to give us a list of the supposed team members. Failing that, the term stands as yet another example of his idiocy. As does his supposition that Farage is not a racist and that he himself is a socialist.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: DMcG
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 08:29 AM

My remarks were not directed at anyone in particular. I was just reporting on my own experience where attempts to have a discussion end up being the minority of the posts on threads with the rest being little more than abuse and not even necessarily directed at the main participants in the discussion. In one of the recent threads on evolution for example far too many posts were of the character.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 09:07 AM

Well Steve, There is Ian Mather, he posted his name as guest.
There is Seaham Cemetry the libeller
The other two are known only to Ian, so perhaps you should ask him.
Personally, I believe they are alter ego's, but I have no proof of this.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Musket
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 09:20 AM

I dare say there are more than three people who would like to see bigotry dead and buried, and not able to pollute debates.

There is a line, and not a fine one either, between views and propogating hatred. I have views that may not be everybody elses, and that's fine both ways. But to treat others as not equal?

About as nauseating as it gets.

Whats more, there is not a single Mudcat person who defends him, so why is he even bothering telling us what he thinks? I don't respect the views of bank robbers when it comes to money, I don't respect rapists when it comes to talking about abuse, so why on earth should a hate filled discrimination merchant think decent people are interested in his fixation with anal sex, let alone his support for closet racists? (He claimed on another thread to be a member of a liberal, socialist leaning political party that brought in more equality legislation than any before it for that matter!)*

Sick puppy.



By the way, this is Ian typing.



*SNP, running the kitchen cabinet in Scotland.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: GUEST,Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 09:36 AM

And here's me thinking I was in the bloody team. Maybe I've been a bit too quiet recently about my co-messiahdom. Need a striker, Musket? Naturally, I model my technique on the lamented Luis...

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Musket
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 11:06 AM

Yeah, you are on the Messiah team still. After all, you are our glorious leader, so I can't do much about it anyway. Although the co Messiah Emeritus with gnomish attributes is having a break from Mudcat, I am sure he is following the faith strongly.

Mind you, it needs a striker with a bit of bite in him, but not ex Liverpool eh? Not doing so well without him though I see. We snatched a draw from the jaws of victory at Charlton yesterday.

A bit about the various Muskets. Ian Mather is one and the others post as guest + name in the music threads occasionally. One is gay, as should be obvious, one lives in Scotland, all are interfering in NHS healthcare in one way or another, although only one is employed in The NHS. (As I'm not him, I can say as a quack.) The three musketeers were four but one broke ranks when his wife put two and two together allegedly. Presently in Sierra Leone as a military medic, so no wonder we don't hear much these days. Got an email a few days ago. (Playing at a folk club with his Dad shortly for that matter. We used to be in a band or two back in the day.)

We all play guitar. We all scratch our balls. We all like beer and good wine. We all see how gormless the BS section of Mudcat is, despite the best efforts of some to be serious about it, and we all feel it can give a bad name to an excellent music resource. Hence insisting on taking the piss out of those who have a less than nice approach.

No problem with shared membership then. As I said, apart from recently winding Jim up over his rather silly folk definition, only Ian posts as Musket above the line. We all have our iPads and iPhones linked into the same NHS VPN, making shared membership easy as IP addresses are set by the national server. (Anybody using their NHS computer to post possibly has the same IP..)



Regarding the worm. Ian Mather was, like Steve Shaw, a member name, not just a guest as the worm likes to have people believe.

(Is he still here? I don't want to get my shower yet just in case.)

Back from gardening anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 11:16 AM

Steve, I take exception to your view that I am not a socialist.
I can of course see flaws in socialism, but all my life I have viewed the Capitalist system as an evil, which requires to be removed.

One cannot support the retention of Capitalism and claim to be a Socialist....IMO.
"Ian Musket" and ED, your posts are simply abusive rhetoric,

add nothing to the discussion and make no sense.
They infer things which I did not say nor think.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 12:53 PM

ok ... confessions time...

"punkfolkrocker" is also a corporate identity, just like musket,Take That, and One Direction..

One of us is a jet set playboy not so minor member of the British Royal Family:
one of us is a Protected Witness in the Witness Protection Programme:
one of us is either a Secret Agent, Super Hero, or Super Villain
depending on the particular point of view of allies & adversaries
from the comlpex treacherous world of double-dealing international / interplanetary conflict & political intrigue...

.. and the much less interesting one who grew up on a west country small town factory fodder council estate..
who is basically just standard issue irritating comedy-relief side kick, confidant, and tea boy to the other 3.

So you should now understand why all our real identities need to remain shielded from public disclosure...

NOTE: Secret identity names may by necessity be fake.
Or if real, quite likely to be 'open secrets'
due to occasional careless revelations & unmaskings to femme fatales
at times of life threatening stress and danger:
and unfortunately thanks to google & youtube, not too difficult to identify
if ever subjected to over-intrusive media speculation ?

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: pdq
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 12:59 PM

The BS section may be dwindling, but of BS itself, there is an ample supply.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Ed T
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 01:02 PM

Your reputation and posting history on Mudcat is more accurate then your selective memory Ake. While it is easy to strike out at those who remind you of it, as you often feebly do in each attempted defense, it does little to erase the well-earned anti homosexual brand you garnered.

What often puzzles me is how you complain of people "picking on you" ( and, only you) , yet you come back consistantly with the "same old-same old" to generate more disgust from many. A death wish maybe? Or, possibly a case where "negative attention is better than no attention"? Most only know you on BS by the predomionately anti-homosexual posting fixation you put forward.

Maybe you are a kind compassionate, sensible guy in real life-maybe not. But, IMO, you put forward the opposite face on Mudcat? Given that, nothing can be ruled out.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 01:07 PM

bollocks... I forgot to list the Time Traveller..

He says the mudcat BS golden age 20 years from now will be so frighteningly nasty and thrillingly entertaining,
that no other pugalistic bloodsports will compare...

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 01:08 PM

winding Jim up over his rather silly folk definition
.,,.,..,

Purely as a question of fact, as the topic has been obsessively and self-regardingly revived by the forum's resident #1·bore·and·pain-in-the-arse:-

Jim's definition of folk was accurate. It was those otiose and meretricious arselickingly populist alternatives which were more·than·rather 'silly'.

≈Michael≈

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 01:30 PM

"winding Jim up over his rather silly folk definition"
Wot Mike says - not silly, long-term established
It really is time you learned the difference between "winding up" and attempting to kick into submissive silence - one needs a little skill and thought, any thug can do the other, as you have more than displayed here.
I've more-or-less steered clear of this debacle, which resembles a bi-partisan football fracas more than an intelligent debate - it goes a long way way to doing the holier-than-thou's job for them.
It is somewhat entertaining to see our resident homophobe complaining about bad behaviour though - 'worth nine guineas an ounce' as they used to say about Camay
Back to your muttons lads, don't let me interrupt you.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 02:43 PM

Punkfolkrocker.....A classic, now that's what I call wit.
Laughed out loud.... :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 03:31 PM

Homophobes who think Nigel Farage has the right idea cannot be socialists.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 05:06 PM

Well for a start Steve, I am no "homophobe" and have yet to meet any socialist who sincerely believes unregulated immigration to be a good thing.
I have no reason to believe that Mr Farage is a racist, though politically he and I are polls apart.
He was demonised by the media and Their "liberal" acolytes for questioning UK immigration policy, something that all political parties and a large number of the electorate now agree with him about.

Steve, you really should try to develop some sense of objectivity regarding political matters. Read, listen and learn, then make up your OWN mind on issues social and political.....don't be one of the sheep.
You may not have reached the dizzy heights of "Team Musket", but you certainly have potential.....im afraid to say. :0(

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Ed T
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 05:39 PM

Steve Shaw being one of nature's fluffy marshmallows?
That picture seems odd to me.
But, who am I to know?
I will leave that assessment up to the celtic folks with more direct "sheepsie" experience.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Nov 14 - 06:29 PM

Wannabee Pharoah, you have a limited number of topics of rant. Your primary fixation seems to be homosexuality, who you suggest putting in concentration camps to stop them spreading AIDS (well, close enough). Your next is racist bigotry, see your spewing of hate about Romanies. I have repeatedly asked you to say what sort of economic or political order you are FOR - but in the round all you do is say you want to destroy capitalism. Then what? Life as in Mad Max films? Anarchy? Grow up man.   

If you are a socialist you cannot possibly support UKIP. They are documented to support "flat tax" (which is regressive and hits the   poor harder than the rich) and privatising the NHS (which hits the poor more than the rich) and abolishing most benefits (which, etc).

You are more confused than Mither, the miner who supported Thatcher's war on miners, and brags about his wealth - and pretends to be a socialist too.

In fact, you are nearly as mad as Goofball, who'd be perfectly at home with any of the many nutters listed here - http://www.publiceye.org/research/directories/dem_grp_undermine.html

Or almost as much a fantasist as our resident god-botherer, busily playing with his imaginary friend.