BS: Dwindling BS section

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Nov 14 - 02:11 PM

For most of my life I have been a member of the Communist Party.
How many communists do you think ended up in Nazi death camps?
We were first in the queue, you numpty.

Sorry for name calling Jim but very occasionally I get a little annoyed.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Ed T
Date: 03 Nov 14 - 02:50 PM

"BS dwindles, while Musket ascends"

What a neat looking headline it would be?
:)

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Nov 14 - 02:56 PM

"For most of my life I have been a member of the Communist Party."
I know a lot of communists - some of my family wre, many of my friends were, notably the Jewish ones I knew (and nearly married into) in Mancheter
I never met a single one who despised immigrants, gays and Travellers the way you do (not to mention "liberals").
"It could have been any group protected by this idiotic legislation"
And this could come from any extreme right-wing tub-thumper.
The are people in or society who need protection - from the likes of you - particularly of the minority kind.
The nearest you get to being a 'Socialist' is your leaning towards National Socialism - a different bunny wabbit altogether.
By the way - you told a porky
You said you only had objections toward gay marriage - not true.
You are one of the most prominent "gay plague" scaremongers on this forum.
You have described homosexuality a chosen aberration, "unhealthy", "unnatural" and "curable" - married or single.
Stick to your guns lad - you'll never be taken seriously if you don't!
Long live "idiotic legislation" - it keeps the jackals a bay.
Jim Carroll
I assume your support for Breivik is taken as read?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 03 Nov 14 - 03:00 PM

well snail, I seem to remember you asking to be shown some....if I am remembering correctly.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: TheSnail
Date: 03 Nov 14 - 03:07 PM

Sorry pete, but if Steve, who claims to be a scientist, can't understand the point I don't think there's a chance that you will.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Musket
Date: 03 Nov 14 - 03:28 PM

Musket can't ascend. Already at the top.

This gets better. The worm reckons he was a member of the communist party. Now he's a member of Scottish National Party, or so he claims. I particularly love the bit about being first in the queue at the Nazi concentration camps.

I wasn't aware they killed their kindred spirit...

No matter. At least he has the luxury of being able to marry whoever he wishes as a British subject. Thats equality for you. Of course, if he really is a member of SNP, he supported the concept of marriage, regardless of gender.

Lying little criminal scum.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Ed T
Date: 03 Nov 14 - 04:08 PM

"...if Steve, who claims to be a scientist"""

He is? I understood he was an educator, who at one time taught some level of science-but, I could be mistaken. What's with that, Steve?

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: GUEST,Steve Shaw B.Sc ARCS PGCE with bar
Date: 03 Nov 14 - 04:13 PM

I don't claim to be a scientist. I have a certificate somewhere. Pity Popper's not around. He would falsify your inaccuracy. I wish he could falsify achytony and ung. Not pete. He falsifies himself.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: GUEST,Steve Shaw (grade 9 'O' Level RE and proud o
Date: 03 Nov 14 - 04:19 PM

That's right, Ed. Science teacher for 25 years and team leader on the biology 'A' Level examiners' panel, University of London, 1990-92. But don't tell anybody.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: GUEST,Truncated Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Nov 14 - 04:21 PM

...proud of it! Think I might have accidentally answered the Jewish section instead of the Catholic section - and that's the truth!

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Nov 14 - 04:25 PM

"You have described homosexuality a chosen aberration, "unhealthy", "unnatural" and "curable" - married or single."

Lies and disinformation Jim.
I have never to my knowledge described Homosexuality as a "chosen aberration"....I have said that I am undecided as to whether homosexuality is a perversion or not.....I have been waiting for years for someone to provide evidence that it is not.
Male homosexuality is certainly unhealthy.( see STD figures)
"Unnatural".... not a word I use in this context, did you mean perversion?(see above)
I certainly have never said it can be "cured", although some people revert to heterosexuality after being homosexual for a long period.

If people wish to have male to male sexual intercourse, that is their business and they take responsibility for the great risks involved.
However legislation to make such an obviously dangerous and unhealthy behaviour part of mainstream society by redefining marriage to accommodate it, is the business of everyone.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Musket
Date: 03 Nov 14 - 04:36 PM

Which is why it is an equal status available for all.

Bigoted scum


Male homosexuality is not unhealthy either, despite your peurile twisting of facts.


Why can we put people in the moon, invent technology that was beyond comprehension even ten years ago and have a communications network that makes the world smaller, yet still allow bigotry to survive?


About time it was cold in the grave.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Nov 14 - 05:20 PM

After the ball which Raman Subba Row had dropped off Fred Trueman's bowling had gone for four-Subba Row: I'm sorry about that, it might have been better if I had kept my legs together. Tmeman: Aye, it's a pity your mother didn't!

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Nov 14 - 07:00 PM

"Lies and disinformation Jim."
You it is not - at one time or another, all I have described has been part of your argument
You have put it forward s a personal choice and presented homosexuals as misfits - perversion, aberration - semantics - it's all prejudice-generating
"although some people revert to heterosexuality"
Yes - you have used that as an argument, and have refused to comment on the fact that a far greater number spend their lives as heterosexuals (mainly from pressure put on them by a people like you) and then, decide to bite the bullet and 'come out'
All people need to take responsibility for their sexuality, whether the consequences are unwanted or unmanageable pregnancies or sexually transmitted diseases - why single out gays?
You fail to respond to my comments about your prejudice towards immigrants, Travellers, "liberals" and those in need of State protection from bigots like yourself, so they stand, making you as I described, a tub-thumping, right-wing bigot.
If you are a "socialist", as you described, your socialism if contrary to one of it's basic tenets 'Internationalism' - "Arise, you starvelings...." and all that - which makes you, you guessed it, a National Socialist.
Your silence on your support for Brievik, 'the patriot who gunned down 80 odd young Norwegians to highlight a cause not a million miles for your own, confirms that that was not "lies and disinformation" either.   
"Time to go to sleep now, little man, you've had a busy day" as the song aptly says.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 03 Nov 14 - 07:03 PM

I suppose snail, that in the normal run of things, I should not intrude into your elitist edifices of eruditity, but , blow me down, there I goes, taking the mention of my name as an excuse! .
but I don't mind a put down, and I don't suppose any theory about the far gone past is provable.....or that I need letters after my name to make such observations.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: GUEST,Steve Shaw sans letters after name
Date: 03 Nov 14 - 07:29 PM

Too right, pete, letters mean nothing. But you demonstrate gleefully to the world once again that you don't know what science is. Theories are never provable. That's why they're theories.

Cue Snailieboy to come in and confuse theory with truth. Oh shit, I'm bloody trolling now... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: TheSnail
Date: 03 Nov 14 - 07:39 PM

Steve Shaw
I don't claim to be a scientist. I have a certificate somewhere.

Nevwer seen your certificate Steve. I can only go by what you say on Mudcat and anyone who can't grasp basic concepts like falsifiability doesn't come over very well as a scientist.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Jack Campin
Date: 03 Nov 14 - 07:48 PM

[quote]anyone who can't grasp basic concepts like falsifiability doesn't come over very well as a scientist.[/quote]
Falsifiability is not a scientific concept, for any science. It's a buzzword from Popper's philosophical system, which has never been taken very seriously outside Anglo-American academia and journalism, and is rapidly headed for oblivion even there.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: GUEST,Steve Shaw, with sword of truth
Date: 03 Nov 14 - 07:56 PM

"You can only falsify that which is falsifiable, such as scientific theory. You can't falsify truth which is beyond science, for example, the truth that evolution happens. You can't even falsify almost certain untruths that are beyond science, such as the existence of God. You'll be fine once you get your realms sorted out." [Barney Rubble, 4005 BC].

Has the Gastropod breeding season finished yet? Is it true that you both have to do everything to each other both ways?

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: GUEST,The unfalsifiable Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Nov 14 - 08:05 PM

Haven't seen my certificate since 1972. It's probably in my mum's attic covered in batshit. And I can't show it to you anyway. Last time I accidentally left a sheet of A4 in my garden a bloody snail ate it.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: GUEST,Sol.
Date: 03 Nov 14 - 08:28 PM

What a horrible thread.
It answers its own question.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Nov 14 - 08:48 PM

Wannabee - catch 22. If those you vilify are Romanies (or gypsies), they possess the protected characteristic of "race" under the Equality Act. If they are not, then they do not possess it, so are not protected by that legislation. You really don't get it, do you?

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Ed T
Date: 03 Nov 14 - 09:10 PM

""What a horrible thread.
It answers its own question.""

Not for the faint-hearted, best to pass it by, Sol.
BTW, it dic garner a fair amount of posts, hardly a "dwindling sign" at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Nov 14 - 01:27 AM

Musket: "Musket can't ascend. Already at the top."

Suicidal, and proud of it!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Musket
Date: 04 Nov 14 - 03:11 AM

Remind us of how you claim to be able to "cure" being gay Goofus. The worm is struggling in the face of logic (and Bridge) so could do with some moral support from another moron.

Funny thing, all this talk about certificates. I had to find my certificates the other week. Never had to show them anywhere before. Eventually, the former Mrs Musket found some of them in her drawer with hers and passed them on, whilst reminding me that one important one I got after we split up was shredded as part of a leaving present from a girlfriend. I wonder if certificates are falsifiable? According to that Internet thingy they are... The real one will take ages. It is in two parts from two different places, one here and one in sausage, hairy dead pig and rotten cabbage land, although Heidelberg sounds much nicer.

It's this wonderful knack I have of winning friends and influencing people.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: TheSnail
Date: 04 Nov 14 - 07:42 AM

Jack Campin

Falsifiability is not a scientific concept, for any science. It's a buzzword from Popper's philosophical system, which has never been taken very seriously outside Anglo-American academia and journalism, and is rapidly headed for oblivion even there.

That's very interesting Jack. Could you give me some pointers to the new thinking?

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: TheSnail
Date: 04 Nov 14 - 07:50 AM

I hope everyone is suitably impreassed by the scientific precision of Steve's last two posts.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Musket
Date: 04 Nov 14 - 08:49 AM

Impreassed? Should I be impressed or arsed?

(See thread on buzz words. Assed would have been better but perish the thought of speaking like a mule.)

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: TheSnail
Date: 04 Nov 14 - 09:00 AM

By logical deduction we now know that at least one of the Muskets never makes typing errors.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Nov 14 - 09:23 AM

Jim.... You are becoming so abusive that I'm sure you would qualify for "Team Musket"
"Your support for Breivik can be taken as read"

Jim that is a brilliant piece of misrepresentation

Firstly, it gives the impression that I support Breivik...which of course I don't, then goes on to imply that I do not disagree with your statement.
I am sure Bill has a word for it..:0)

What I Actually said was that Breivik was obviously a madman and the policies pursued by various governments motivate madmen to carry out despicable acts.....I do not and never have supported the slaughter of innocent young people......but I suppose you already knew that.

Set you alarm clock a little earlier if to wish to make disingenuous statements regarding my views.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Musket
Date: 04 Nov 14 - 10:11 AM

If this Musket slips in a typo, I assure it will be Freudian.

A bit like yours.

Nice to read an abusive little shit like Akenaton reckoning others are abusive. Also nice to see he likes to blame governments for criminals. Who made you what you are worm? Was it when your saviour Salmond came out in favour of extending equality for all in marriage?

By the way, I doubt even Jim "I can start an argument in an empty room" Carroll could ever be accused of making disingenuous statements regarding your views. It needs a forensic psychiatrist to work out how your seedy little mind operates.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Nov 14 - 10:52 AM

Musket: "Remind us of how you claim to be able to "cure" being gay Goofus."

Well, being as YOU made that up...and have been harping on me about something YOU made up, perhaps YOU should substantiate that I ever made that claim!
Typical 'SO-CALLED LIBERAL' gibberish!

GfS

P.S. Maybe while you're at it, you could substantiate the 'so-called liberal' accusations of the mythical 'War on Woman' bit of nonsense, along with most other accusations of 'bigotry' and 'racism'....that your ilk makes up, to accuse others of, trying to get political traction!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: GUEST,Falsifiability is not a scientific concept,
Date: 04 Nov 14 - 12:30 PM

Falsifiability is [...] a buzzword from Popper's philosophical system, which has never been taken very seriously outside Anglo-American academia and journalism, and is rapidly headed for oblivion even there.
That's very interesting Jack. Could you give me some pointers to the new thinking?

There is no definite label for it all, but a lot of philosophy of science has been influenced by postmodernism, or ideas related to it. Thomas Kuhn more or less started the movement; I studied briefly with Paul Feyerabend, who was perhaps the most influential of that lot. Feyerabend knew more about the history of ideas than anybody I've ever met, and he had a colossal store of examples of science operating in total disregard of Popper's ideal - instead, scientific systems try to maintain themselves by finding ways to coexist with conflicting evidence. Imre Lakatos (in "Proofs and Refutations") has a nice case study of how this works in mathematics; he called the process of sidelining inconveniences "monster-barring".

Feyerabend had more time for Popper than I ever did, but then he knew him personally and I didn't. Popper got into weird new-agey-religious bollocks with John Eccles towards the end of his life, about how the soul and brain communicate via quantum gobbledygook. I suppose he had some way of persuading himself that that was compatible with his earlier positivist doctrines. I heard Eccles talking about it once and he just sounded senile.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Nov 14 - 01:06 PM

I've dropped the 'team punkfolkrocker gag' - I got bored with it.. it's just me now...

This thread is far from 'dwindling' as far as I'm concerned,
it's reawakening memories for me..

Bloody hell.. "History of Ideas"
- I was accepted for a social psychology / hist of ideas degree at Bradford Uni back in 1980ish,
but decided to go somewhere else because of girlfriend problems...

That was one single most drastic life changing decision.....

I've probably still got the text books she lent me to get through the interview
before we split up...

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 04 Nov 14 - 01:18 PM

I must confess that when "popper" was first mentioned, I thought it was a lighthearted putdown of muskets lack of substantial firepower !.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Jack Campin
Date: 04 Nov 14 - 01:30 PM

That was me a couple of posts back, using a new computer and a browser I'm not familiar with.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Ed T
Date: 04 Nov 14 - 02:12 PM

"But are there philosophical problems? The present position of English philosophy - my point of departure - originates, I believe, in the late Professor Ludwig Wittgenstein's doctrine that there are none; that all genuine problems are scientific problems; that the alleged propositions or theories of philosophy are pseudo-propositions or pseudo-theories; that they are not false (if they were false, their negations would be true propositions or theories) but strictly meaningless combinations of words, no more meaningful than the incoherent babbling of a child who has not yet learned to speak properly." 
― Karl Popper, Conjectures and Refutations: The Growth of Scientific Knowledge

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 04 Nov 14 - 02:25 PM

Good old Ludwig! I have always considered that pretty well all the maunderings and lucubrations subsumed under "Philosophy" are just inflated solipsistic statements of the obvious delivered in increasingly portentous tones...

Is that not so, Socrates?

≈Micrates≈

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Nov 14 - 02:45 PM

Late teen/early 20s years, we had to read up on all that philosophy bollocks
just to impress the knickers off smart college girls...

That and playing electric guitar usually clinched it....

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Ed T
Date: 04 Nov 14 - 03:59 PM

Doubt is not a pleasant state of mind, but certainty is absurd. (Voltaire)

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Nov 14 - 04:55 PM

mythical 'War on Woman' bit of nonsense,

There is a pronounced anti-woman bias in a great deal of proposed government policy and legislation lately, and you're blind if you can't see it. The legislation dancing around women's health care and birth control access and control over one's body in the advent of unwanted pregnancy is an abomination.

This thread is becoming the perfect illustration of why many people don't bother to posit non-music questions at Mudcat.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Nov 14 - 07:46 PM

"This thread is becoming the perfect illustration of why many people don't bother to....etc...etc..."

or....


"This thread is becoming the perfect illustration
of why a minority of lively robust creative intelligent transgressive adult minds
should be [grudgingly] tolerated and left to their own devices within the boundaries of BS playpens;
subjected to minimum interference from over-sensitive judgementa souls
who still drop in despite being fully aware of the potentially aggressive atmosphere,
for no other reason than to post petty chiding complaints ...???"

well.... it's just another way of looking at it...😉



Personally, I don't come here simply to talk and listen to folk I'm already entirely in agreement with..
That can just become stultifyingly dull.
Disagreeable, obnoxious personalities, can provide far more positive and challenging mental stimulation...💥🔥🎆💡💭✔

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Nov 14 - 08:48 PM

"...inflated solipsistic statements of the obvious... "

I could debate that, but the argument takes awhile, and would no doubt include some of the very terms you decry... ☺

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 04 Nov 14 - 11:44 PM

The term "bollocks" would be quite brief, Bill. I should not decry it, but should take your point instantly on board!

OTH & Alternatively, I could urge that your putative animadeversions would be likely to contain no little and more than somewhat of petitio principii!


〠 right back 2U

Best regards

≈M·the·Incorrigible≈

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Nov 14 - 12:30 AM

"Remind us of how you claim to be able to "cure" being gay Goofus."

I heard it too.

You are busted.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Musket
Date: 05 Nov 14 - 03:16 AM

For him to be busted infers he had credibility to begin with.

Do keep up.

A pity pete isn't engaging more in this thread, (other than thinking questioning the logic of rational people somehow makes him look good.) As an alleged biblical scholar, he could write the book on falsifiability.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Nov 14 - 03:19 AM

Heard it??? 'Mr. Anonymous Guest'???...Not from me! You heard it from a made up story, embellished from several posts, that I posted, which NEVER claimed that I could cure homosexuality...however, I do KNOW, that homosexuality is not genetic, is behavioral, and does NOT have to be permanent...or take it from an EX-homosexual Not having any choice is the kind of bullshit that propaganda is made of!....and how the 'so-called liberals' LOVE fraudulent propaganda!...They make it up, and delude themselves that it is indeed true!
Delusions can certainly be, by their very nature, intoxicating!
Whether you favor homosexual 'rights' or not, is really not the issue..being lied to, about it IS...and far more dangerous!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Musket
Date: 05 Nov 14 - 04:57 AM

About as nauseating as akenaton and full of the same dangerous lies and shit.

Had a bad experience some time in your life Goofus? Want to talk about it?

Well no fucker's listening.

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: GUEST,Steve Shaw, spelling cop
Date: 05 Nov 14 - 05:53 AM

The word is spelled "animadversion", Michael. Those who choose to use longer words when shorter ones would do, take care. Please don't take this as censure or criticism, by the way, Michael. Oh, look - I seem to have used two much nicer words for it than your one!

Subject: RE: BS: Dwindling BS section
From: Ed T
Date: 05 Nov 14 - 06:14 AM

"In Wingnut land, a lib-rul is defined as anyone who disagrees with 'em!"