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Subject: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Ebbie Date: 11 Nov 14 - 11:26 PM I have admired US Senator Bernie Sanders for years. Clear-headed and progressive in his views he has the mettle to be a real statesman in the mold of Adlai Stevenson, Sam Erwin and Benjamin Franklin, even though he is better known at this point for speaking out on other subjects. Today he intimated on the Rachel Maddow show that he is considering a run for the presidency. An Independent he caucuses with Democrats but does not really espouse either party. Here are some of this thoughts on corporatism: "In my view, a corporation is not a person. A corporation does not have First Amendment rights to spend as much money as it wants, without disclosure, on a political campaign." "If a financial institution is too big to fail, it is too big exist." "You know, I think that many people have the mistaken impression that Congress regulates Wall Street. In truth that's not the case. The real truth is that Wall Street regulates the Congress." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: GUEST,sciencegeek Date: 12 Nov 14 - 08:44 AM if the Democratic party had any sense, they'd endorse Bernie. He's more of a statesman than a politician and lord knows we are dire need of more statesmen than dime a dozen political hacks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Rapparee Date: 12 Nov 14 - 09:03 AM A statesman is a dead politician, and Lord knows, we need more statesmen! But being gay Bernie might have a hard time. Run Elizabeth Warren and Bernie for VP. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Jeri Date: 12 Nov 14 - 10:45 AM Rap, you're confused. Wiki on Bernie Sanders |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Ebbie Date: 12 Nov 14 - 11:24 AM Yes. I think Rap is thinking of Barnie Frank. Whom I also like. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: GUEST,# Date: 12 Nov 14 - 12:02 PM Probably the very best thing that could happen for America. However, how many folks would pick up on that fact? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: olddude Date: 12 Nov 14 - 12:10 PM Agree |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Rapparee Date: 12 Nov 14 - 12:15 PM Yes, I was thinking of Barnie Franks. SORRY, BERNIE!!!! I think a Sanders/Warren ticket -- no matter which is P or VP -- would make for an interesting race. Fresh faces, if you will. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Bill D Date: 12 Nov 14 - 01:12 PM I would accept Sanders as president, but he hasn't got a snowball's chance in hell of being elected. I worry that he'd be this decade's Ralph Nader and cost the Democrats the election. Now, if he'd run in Democratic primaries and use the soapbox to make points, I'd love to see it... but not as an independent in the general, please.... not until we change the system to allow minor parties to have 'after the election' influence, like Israel and some others. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Jeri Date: 12 Nov 14 - 02:55 PM I believe there are more independent voters that in previous year. While I never liked Nader much, I can't think of a candidate I currently like (or am apt to in the foreseeable future) more than Sanders. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: gnu Date: 12 Nov 14 - 05:34 PM Warren-Sanders. Or vicey versie. Ain't gonna happen either way but I can dream. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Bill D Date: 12 Nov 14 - 07:28 PM *IF* Hillary didn't run, I'd not be surprised to see Elizabeth Warren go on & run....but she is not likely to compete against Hillary and divide the party in an awkward way. Warren is VERY knowledgeable on economics, but I'm not sure about her competence in foreign affairs. No doubt time in the Senate allows her to bone up on all sorts of things... but Hillary is already pretty well up on most issues. (I make these points because I consider awareness & competence to be essential for the office. So many others... especially Republicans... don't seem to bother with the details of anything - they just follow political talking points and parrot party-line agendas.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: GUEST,# Date: 13 Nov 14 - 10:12 AM There is too much influence peddling in Washington, a city with over 12,000 lobbyists. Bernie Sanders is an honest man. I doubt he'd last a week before he was disappeared or his real birth certificate is suddenly located and guess what? He's brown skinned from an area in the Punjab and his father was a Muslim and his mother an atheist. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Jeri Date: 13 Nov 14 - 10:42 AM I keep hoping that people will get smarter and question everything, not just what's going on on the other side. I keep hoping people will realize their vote is more powerful than money. I keep wanting "smart" to be stronger than "stupid", and then Teapers elect some bimbo with the ability to be an attractive puppet, and I throw my hands up. The "Occupy" movement was a start, but people just didn't seem to have limits on what they were willing to sacrifice and gave up. "Oh, my vacation time is up and they'll kick me out of my job/college if I don't go back." Things haven't become bad enough for people to be serious. I don't know what it will take for that to happen, but I think it will. I HOPE it will. I don't think it's just money that rules the world. I think it's education, too. I think if you teach people to just believe and not to question, they teach their kids, and it becomes fairly easy to insinuate someone's particular "truth" into the dogma. Then, you try to shame those who question for trying to be smarter. MY paranoid fantasy for today... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Elmore Date: 13 Nov 14 - 10:45 AM Bernie Sanders; a man of integrity. Therefore not qualified for the presidency. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: GUEST,# Date: 14 Nov 14 - 09:56 AM I am refreshing this thread because I love the title. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Elmore Date: 14 Nov 14 - 10:03 PM I'll never forget the first time I saw Bernie introduce Peter Seeger at the Champlain Valley FF. Two Great men who happen to be Americans. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: GUEST,John P Date: 15 Nov 14 - 11:41 AM The problem with the Occupy movement was that there were a bunch of people standing around in the rain while the Republicans/Tea Party got organized and took over Congress, the courts, a lot of state governments, and a lot of school boards. We might be somewhere by now if they had spent all that energy and taken that moment in history to actually engage in the political process in some meaningful way. Yes, it's a broken process, but it's also one that ignores outsiders. It brought home the Will Rogers quote: "I'm not a member of any organized political party. I'm a Democrat." It doesn't seem likely that we'll have any meaningful reform until we break the power of the two major political parties. We currently reward a bunch of people who are pre-selected for over-weaning ambition and a desire for power when they act in ways that are meant to feed this desire and maintain their personal power rather than governing the country. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 15 Nov 14 - 01:54 PM The BEST thing, that neither party would ever do, is tell the truth..and NOBODY on the horizon, who aligns themselves with either major party, is going to do that! Sanders MIGHT be someone who could be tempted to do that....BUT, if he voted for Obamacare, then he is either one of the 'stupid' ones, as described by Jonathan Gruber, architect of the ACA, 'Obamacare' fraud!, and if he was, NOBODY should vote for him! Kucinich, who was a long time hold-out for voting on it, knowing it was bullshit, voted on it, and then did not run again...(too bad, on both counts). If you find yourself a Democrat, defending this kind of fraudulent treachery, then you are either one of the 'stupid public', (quoting Gruber), or just plainly, a lying ideologue, who doesn't give a shit about the truth, or who doesn't give a shit about willfully deceiving people, because you're brain-locked into you party's 'rhetorical talking points'.... ...bit IF (and I'll check it out), Bernie voted for it, NO WAY should he even run......who needs ANOTHER lying or stupid President??? Sorry you ideologues found yourselves in such a pickle...but then, when people, (such as myself, and others on here) were telling you the truth, you just dug your heels in further, and insisted we should all be as stupid as yourselves!!!!!! TRUE story!!!!!! (..and easily verifiable!!) GfS GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 15 Nov 14 - 02:04 PM Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, that in the link I provided, clink on the links within the article, if you need some clarification or validation on what I posted was TRUE ...AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: GUEST,Cthulhu Date: 15 Nov 14 - 02:49 PM Goofball comes out against everything and everybody. That's easy. But, being a moral coward, he never says what he is FOR. Cthulhu |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Ebbie Date: 15 Nov 14 - 03:06 PM Ah. You noticed it too? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 15 Nov 14 - 09:32 PM Cthulhu: "Goofball comes out against everything and everybody. That's easy. But, being a moral coward, he never says what he is FOR." Ebbie: "Ah. You noticed it too?" OK...What do you want to know? GfS P.S. ...BTW, Cthulhu, I think a better example of 'being a moral coward' is YOUR post, trying to attack me, when you put forth NOTHING...except a snotty remark....I thought you might have actually had something to say! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Don Firth Date: 15 Nov 14 - 09:54 PM Merely pointing out what should be obvious to everyone: the fact that other than to trash other people's political and moral positions without suggesting an alternative is an act of moral cowardice. Not to mention betraying the fact that you haven't a position of your own. One that you would undoubtedly be called on to defend, which you don't appear to be intellectually capable of doing, if your long history of posts on this site (over 10,000) is any indication. Go back to your music. Cut rate, bargain basement, imitation Vangelis is something you seem to be able to handle. Cthulhu |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Don Firth Date: 15 Nov 14 - 10:11 PM But then, you know that didn't you? The Lone Haranger |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 15 Nov 14 - 11:16 PM Don Froth: "Merely pointing out what should be obvious to everyone: the fact that other than to trash other people's political and moral positions without suggesting an alternative is an act of moral cowardice.".... Well, I agreed with you on that one..... Frotho the Magnificent: "Not to mention betraying the fact that you haven't a position of your own." I don't??????...another one of your stupid ASS-umptions, without basis!! Frotho: "One that you would undoubtedly be called on to defend, which you don't appear to be intellectually capable of doing, if your long history of posts on this site (over 10,000) is any indication." No problem...but I'm not inclined to go into a long winded marathon with you, AGAIN, while you spout off complete fiction, in a dizzying display of, intoxication of your own idiot-unlogical blathering deceptions and pseudo intellectual rhetoric of 'so-called liberal' talking point spinning. Frotho the Malfeasance: "Go back to your music. Cut rate, bargain basement, imitation Vangelis is something you seem to be able to handle." "Cut rate, bargain basement, imitation Vangelis"...(blah blah blah) Well that "Cut rate, bargain basement, imitation Vangelis"...is being used in 5 hospitals in 4 states in the capacity of cardiac-therapy.... but then, trying to explain the Heart is beyond your capacity... YOU bought into the Obamacare lie, and 'defended' it, even though you SAID you preferred the single payer plan better, (and so do I)...but you were...(and I can prove it)...just happy and fine with it being a DECEPTIVE 'step'....(we already went 'round and about with that one).. ..While you could NOT answer the question on 'WHY', was the need for DECEPTION, when at the time, Obama(and crew of thugs and con-men) had the majority of the House AND Senate.....There was NO reason to misrepresent it, AT ALL,........unless.......it was just another DECEPTIVE step to something else......but that's another story, too far beyond your limitations of understanding......you only see things through your 'political-gee-look-at-wonderful-me' blinders! Sit on it! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Don Firth Date: 16 Nov 14 - 12:03 AM Goatfeathers! Don (Cthulhu) Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Don Firth Date: 16 Nov 14 - 12:23 AM Sorry about that, Ebbie. Now. back to a serious discussion of the original subject: Bernie Sanders for USA President. Don Firth (genuine philosophically based Liberal, not a "so-called" anything). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Don Firth Date: 16 Nov 14 - 12:38 AM By the way, Ebbie, thank you for introducing me to Bernie Sanders. I knew a little about him, but have read up on him a lot more as a result of you starting this thread. So far, so good! (Bugger off, Goofus! This discussion is for adults.) Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 16 Nov 14 - 01:17 AM Frotho: "Don Firth (genuine philosophically based Liberal, not a "so-called" anything)." ...as I said, "......you only see things through your 'political-gee-look-at-wonderful-me' blinders!" A legend in his own wine! GfS P.S. If you were such a, "genuine philosophically based Liberal", you would have already known about Bernie Sanders. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Don Firth Date: 16 Nov 14 - 01:36 AM Goofus the Clueless. You don't even know what I'm talking about when I say "philosophically based." Actually, I'm really more Progessive than Liberal. I did know about Bernie Sanders as one of several a potential Presidential candidate for 2016, of course, but Ebbie's starting this thread has led me to examine his record much more closely. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Don Firth Date: 16 Nov 14 - 01:46 AM ...Progressive.... Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 16 Nov 14 - 03:03 AM Don: "Goofus the Clueless. You don't even know what I'm talking about when I say "philosophically based." I don't???????..Let's re-phrase......You're a wannabe, 'cuz it's a head trip! In other words, there are dreamers....and there are interpreters of dreams......'interpreters' are the closest they can get to the actual experience of dreaming......but you ain't the real thing....just an interpreter...through your filter.....which is subject to suspicion!!! You can try to understand it... Oh, Magnificent Bright One! GfS P.S...In your 'Poo-guess-ive' mindset, deceit appears to be just ducky with you....and that's a fundamental difference with us...I prefer honesty and integrity.....(look them up!). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: GUEST Date: 16 Nov 14 - 05:21 PM Bernie Sander's voting record..... Dec. 23, 2009 HR 3590 Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act Cloture Invoked - Senate (60 - 39) Yea Sorry, Bernie-Baby, you were either too stupid, or deceived (as defined by the ACA's author)....which is it?? I was hoping some someone more 'together' than that. Here, just for you!.... 'Vote Smart' voting records for Bernie...and everyone.. Check it out! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Jeri Date: 16 Nov 14 - 06:37 PM Thanks. Even more reasons to vote for him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: GUEST,gillymor Date: 16 Nov 14 - 07:04 PM Yes Goofus, thanks for linking to Sen. Sanders excellent voting record. You've finally done something positive around here even if it was inadvertent. Keep it up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Don Firth Date: 16 Nov 14 - 09:42 PM Goofus, it's pretty obvious that you don't have any idea of what philosophy is all about. I could try to educate you, but since you don't understand even simple abstract concepts, it's obvious that the more complex conceptual principles one finds in philosophical study would be totally beyond your comprehension. You're like one of the denizens of Plato's Cave, staring uncomprehendingly at shadows on the wall. Your insults don't reach me because I realize that you don't understand a word I'm saying (even though it's clearly and succinctly put, and grammatically correct, as befits a person with a well-organized mind), and your yipping and snarling means not more to me than the incessant yapping of my neighbor's Yorkshire terrier, who often barks at his own shadow. But—thank you for posting the link to Bernie Sanders' voting record. I've read that in detail, and I've also read several other articles about his political career and accomplishments, and although I have not yet made up my mind as to who I will support in the 2016 elections, I am giving him serious consideration. So, once again, thanks to you for the voting record, and thanks to Ebbie for starting this thread. Goofus, I have a suggestion. Why don't you go out and chase squirrels? My neighbor's Yorkie barks frantically at squirrels in trees, then tries to scramble up the tree after the squirrels. He often manages to claw his way up several feet of tree trunk before he falls on his keister. Funny as hell, if it weren't so pathetically stupid. Or you could just lay on the front lawn and pant. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 17 Nov 14 - 03:13 AM Glad to have been of assistance to those who would want a voting account of Congress. Some of you may like certain voting records, some may not....but I tend to use them, rather than deciding, merely on party affiliation. That being said, when the architect of Obamacare comes out and says, that they purposely used deceptive language in the bill, because the voting American public is 'too stupid' to see through it, and then right before the vote was taken, Pelosi says, "Let's pass this thing, so we can find out what's in it"....then I want to know who voted for it, WITHOUT reading it, OR, who read it, and was 'too stupid' to understand it, whether you agree with the bill or not, then one has to ask the question, "Who ARE these guys 'representing'....and WHY??? ....nor will I buy into the bullshit of voting for the 'lesser of two evils'..........and if a gang of gullible fools DON'T hold THEIR particular party accountable, then it is only yourselves to blame that your particular party goes down to defeat....so you might as well be of service to 'your party', and reconsider parroting their propaganda rhetoric...and DEMAND the truth from them! In an earlier post, about a year ago, I said pretty much the same thing and predicted, back then, that if they weren't careful, and loose with the truth, and passing things, based on deceit, that they would lose mightily in a landslide, and liberalism would be taken back for years to come.........guess what? But take heart.....most all of it is just theater anyway...and surely, behind the facade, alternating between 'right' and 'left', the REAL agenda is being brought together, incrementally, by power-brokers that needed a disguise.....they've even written YOUR script, both sides....to keep you distracted, and looking in the wrong places....if you ever thought to look at all. That's why I re-iterate, "I'm not with the party...I'm with the band!" .... AND..... "Right Wing" and "Left Wing" are on the same bird!" When you catch the flash, of what we have allowed to have happened to our country, system and culture....and hold that in contrast to 'brighter, more loving side of you' there is a wealth of musical input to draw from....Spiritually, emotionally, physically and mentally there is material to both draw from, and speak to.....and express in every musical phrase!.... ....that is, if you're REALLY INTO music. Don Froth: "Goofus, it's pretty obvious that you don't have any idea of what philosophy is all about. I could try to educate you, but since you don't understand even simple abstract concepts, it's obvious that the more complex conceptual principles one finds in philosophical study would be totally beyond your comprehension. You're like one of the denizens of Plato's Cave, staring uncomprehendingly at shadows on the wall." ...blah blah blather blaugh-zoh-guff-guff Dude........I spit in your milk! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Jeri Date: 17 Nov 14 - 11:20 AM I hope the f**k buddies will excuse me for interrupting their session, but I just listened to a couple of his recordings on Soundcloud. Let's face it, Bill Shatner, he ain't. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 17 Nov 14 - 01:10 PM Who? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Don Firth Date: 17 Nov 14 - 01:19 PM Do I hear Yorkie yapping, or is that Goofus again? All too true, Jeri, but I wouldn't be voting for him for his singing (?) ability.... Don Firth P. S. It takes no brains for someone to sit back, put on a haughty expression, and say "A pox on both their houses!" Good excuse for not taking the trouble to think. And "Left Wing" and "Right Wing" have nothing to do with birds. The expressions were first used leading up to the French Revolution, in the Estates General, a sort of congress, designating which side of the meeting hall a particular faction sat. To the left of the president (the representatives of the bourgeoisie and peasants) and to the right (the aristocracy). Or--those who want progressive change and those who want to maintain the status quo. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Elmore Date: 17 Nov 14 - 10:20 PM Bernie Sanders was an excellent mayor, a respected congressman, and, currently a hard working, intelligent HONEST U.S. Senator. Any state in the Union would be fortunate to be represented by Bernie. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: GUEST,# Date: 18 Nov 14 - 10:55 AM And he'll still be better than most when he passes on. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 18 Nov 14 - 02:26 PM Elmore: "Bernie Sanders was an excellent mayor, a respected congressman, and, currently a hard working, intelligent HONEST U.S. Senator. Any state in the Union would be fortunate to be represented by Bernie." So, if that's true, he voted for Obamacare, either not reading it, like the pack of idiots, OR he DID read it, and was 'too stupid' to see that it was a rip-off by subterfuge...."Any state in the Union would be fortunate to be represented by Bernie."???????????? ..and it's too bad..because I like him in a lot of ways....but this bullshit displaces that....we NEED 'representatives' to represent the PEOPLE...not whatever 'special interests' they get into bed with....or political party TELLING us what is 'good for us'..whether we like or want it!! GUEST#: "And he'll still be better than most when he passes on." Won't they all! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Don Firth Date: 18 Nov 14 - 04:11 PM Due to the Affordable Care Act (which Obama haters and others who don't know any better insist on calling "Obamacare"), millions of people who didn't have access to affordable health care before now have it. Key features of the Affordable Health Care Act: CoverageI can see why the insurance companies don't like it, and the usual squawkers afraid of creeping "Socialized Medicine" get all tooted up over it, but the Affordable Care Act ("Obamacare," if you insist) means that the United States is gradually, bit by bit, catching up with the civilized countries of the world. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Don Firth Date: 18 Nov 14 - 04:19 PM Goofus, you claim that the Affordable Care Act is "a rip-off by subterfuge"? Explain. In detail! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Ebbie Date: 18 Nov 14 - 08:35 PM This latest 'news' about how the bill was passed makes me wonder: Since it was based on Massachusetts' health care law was Romney also involved? Inquiring minds and all that... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 19 Nov 14 - 01:34 AM Ebbie, RIGHT!!!! Haven't I been telling you that the corruption was on BOTH sides...by the same people???? Poor Don...he hasn't been keeping up with the 'news'...well, 'news' for some... Remember when I was 'exchanging' with Bobert?...and I took considerable time to read this monstrosity?...and I told you back then, that it was so convoluted(even had a friend attorney help with it)...and it was SOOO fucked up that you'd (generically) would never believe me??..and it was too long to try to capture in a post.....WELL HERE WE ARE!! If you remember back also, that I pointed out how the Nixon die-hards, just couldn't believe that he was 'unjustly forced out of office' (read: resigned)...and that's how the 'so-called liberals' were going to feel??? Clue #1: The most vociferous supporters of the fraud(A.K.A., A.C.A.) were also the most deceived..and the target of the deception...also described by the very guy who wrote the language of the bill, (which he himself describes as 'deliberately tortured language') to intentionally mislead the stupid voters ...."because it would have never passed, had they known"...and this guy was paid 6 million taxpayers dollars, .....To figure out a massive lie!......(I wonder if he took Economics 101 from Bernie Madoff)...and how many hundreds of billions on the stupid website....and it's YOU guys that should be pissed....but instead, you shoot the messenger!.........(not only on this, but a FEW other topics, as well!)...and I keep saying that passed legislation, passed on a lie, (or bad science), WILL NOT LAST!....and that the 'so-called liberals' SHOULD have been holding their celebrity ideologues, accountable to tell the truth, and chuck out the 'ends justify the means' bullshit, as espoused by 'Don the Wizard'.... OK...throw your rocks, call your names...it don't mean shit, except how sucked in you are!!..The truth is blowing your trips out the window!...and as I've said, NUMEROUS times, "SNAP NOW, AND AVOID THE RUSH!!!" GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Don Firth Date: 19 Nov 14 - 02:07 AM Gust from the septic tank, this answers none of the points in my recent post. Why is it that people who have had occasion to use the Affordable Care Act are quite happy with it? Much to the surprise of some of them. I haven't kept up with the news, Goofball? Seems I've done a bit better than you in this matter. You keep buying into the anti-Obama propaganda without checking the facts.) (Goofball last seen running toward the horizon with his ass on fire....) Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 19 Nov 14 - 10:38 AM Are you for real?..or what?? You must have forgotten...we live in a DEMOCRACY.....and people are supposed to be informed on what they vote for....and not lied to about its contents! Oh shit!..I forgot...your life's history seems to lean toward instant gratification over the truth, or long range consequences...as long as you THINK you're getting your way.....no matter who has to pay the bill...or bear the responsibility. Regards to the family! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Bill D Date: 19 Nov 14 - 11:05 AM If anyone in the USA listened to Lawrence O'Donnell's show on MSNBC last night, they would have heard a very careful, concise explanation of the process and justifications for how the bill was managed and passed... and the relevant implications. Go here and click on "The Gruber Gaffe" to listen to it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Don Firth Date: 19 Nov 14 - 12:23 PM "The Affordable Care Act was publicly debated over the course of 14 months, with dozens of Congressional hearings, and countless town halls, speeches, and debates," White House spokeswoman Jessica Santillo said in a statement. "The tax credits in the law that help millions of middle class Americans afford coverage were no secret, and in fact were central to the legislation. Not only do we disagree with Gruber's comments, they're simply not true." An administration official noted that Gruber "did not work in the White House." Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Don Firth Date: 19 Nov 14 - 12:48 PM Also. Take a look at this. It seems that Guest from Insanity is not content just to try to insult me, he feels it necessary to attack my family as well. Guest from Sanity is beneath contempt!! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Bill D Date: 19 Nov 14 - 03:35 PM (the point of the link to Gruber was to hear the other comments about the issue from Howard Dean and whatisname) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Bill D Date: 19 Nov 14 - 04:20 PM Oh... and this helps *grin* |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Ebbie Date: 19 Nov 14 - 05:00 PM Guest from Sanity, you seem not to be aware of it - and I can't speak with finality for anyone but me - but here's the thing: A blowhard is not necessarily disliked because of his 'facts'- when it comes down to it, we all like to believe we understand truth- but because his or her method of reporting that truth is so off-putting, so counter-productive we/I reject it. We/I tend not to listen to you because it is not worth it. Whether or not you know it, you are not the whole repository of truth and facts. Frankly, often because of your pre-set mindset you are WRONG. And then because of your 'blowhardiness', every so often we/I miss even the kernel of truth and fact your post may hold. And then when you remind us - in a blowhardy fashion- that you have told us and told us and told us of your individual 'fact'... well, hell. You figure it out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 19 Nov 14 - 05:51 PM Talk about SPIN!!!!!!!! ...and the op-ed is proof of what??...more spinning(lying and exaggerating), to try to 'explain what Gruber REALLY meant'..Get serious!...This is NOT news, but an OPINION by some fanatic, like some of you! YOU bought into the bullshit, and you just keep trying to legitimize it, to save face, or because you are helplessly WRONG and to arrogant to admit it! At TOP figure(using the governments figure, which have since proven to be false), the say 'nearly 8 million people signed up for it...BTW, more than half of those people already would have qualified for Medicaid....nonetheless...we are a country of 318 million people..sounds like a huge majority isn't buying into the con-job either!...and this last election SHOULD have been a clue, as to how much....As Obama said, "His policies are on the ballot"...well guess what??? I heard what Gruber said...I heard Obama act like he didn't know who he was...I heard Obama praise him last year...so make up Obama's mind for him, why don't you...did he or didn't he???.....(One thing, for sure, he's been caught LYING, AGAIN! I heard "If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan..if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor" ~~Obama What is it about LYING don't you understand?????????? OK..Now let's 'spin it' and try to make it sound like he said something else..(which he didn't), just to appease the lunatic fringe, commonly know as 'his base'! It's NOT WORKING, Dear 'So-calleds'...get a clue! ...and Don, how is sending 'Regards' to your family an insult???? You spun yourself out on that one! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Bill D Date: 19 Nov 14 - 06:28 PM "What is it about LYING don't you understand??????????" What is it about not being able to read minds that YOU don't understand?????????? You have no idea what Obama 'knew', just as I don't know exactly what is in John Bohener's mind... I just know his logic and explanations don't cut it with me. (No one can figure out what he really wants as he tries to control his rampaging TeaPartyers) Did YOU play that video I posted and listen to the perfectly coherent alternatives to your ideas and interpretations of Gruber & Obama? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Ebbie Date: 19 Nov 14 - 06:37 PM Did he? Of course not. Blowhards are full of air- there isn't much substance to air. However, in spite of that truth, air can do lots of damage. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 19 Nov 14 - 06:44 PM Desperate, disillusioned fanatics! "If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan..if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor" ~~Obama Pure horse-shit! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Ebbie Date: 19 Nov 14 - 06:55 PM Give it up, Guest from Sanity. You have been outed. lol babbler, blabber, blabbermouth, chatterbox, cackler, chatterer, conversationalist, gabbler, gasbag, jabberer, jay, magpie, motormouth, prattler, talker, windbag |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 19 Nov 14 - 07:03 PM Gosh, name calling overload.....don't you at least have ONE FACT you can post??????? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Don Firth Date: 19 Nov 14 - 07:05 PM Goofup, from fictions you've made up about me, my alleged predilections, and members of my family on other threads you've infested with your presence, it was plain that you were taking a jab at me. Regarding the matter of the stipulations of the Affordable Care Act, I like my health care plan and am allowed to keep it. I like my doctor and he's the same doctor I still go to. The same for everyone I know. So, beyond the obvious, what's your problem? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 19 Nov 14 - 07:20 PM Don Froth: ""I like my doctor ....The same for everyone I know" You've GOT to be kidding me!.. ...Besides, I thought you liked a single payer plan better...and this was just a 'bait and switch' step toward it....(want me to prove it?) GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Elmore Date: 19 Nov 14 - 08:31 PM Anybody who calls Bernie Sanders stupid as GFS did in an earlier post is ill-informed and has really sore knuckles from walking on them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Don Firth Date: 19 Nov 14 - 08:33 PM Goofus, the more you rant, the more I'm convinced that you are, indeed, far, far from Sanity. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Bill D Date: 19 Nov 14 - 08:34 PM GfS evaded my questions. Posting old quotations out of context is not an answer except for those who WANT a certain interpretation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 19 Nov 14 - 11:30 PM OK, Bill, What were your questions? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 19 Nov 14 - 11:40 PM Here, we might as well look at this as well....(more lies, about immigration) GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Bill D Date: 20 Nov 14 - 11:24 AM Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Bill D - PM Date: 19 Nov 14 - 06:28 PM No scroll button on your computer? *I* have read & heard all the news...pro & con. What I conclude is that it's VERY hard to deal with a situation where any action will upset someone....but something needs to be done. Obama is trying.... the Republicans are not. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Don Firth Date: 20 Nov 14 - 01:10 PM If Barack Obama could heal the sick, raise the dead, and walk on water, Goofup would accuse him of taking work away from doctors and health care workers, destroy the funeral industry, and polluting the world's oceans with his dirty shoes. According to Goofalong Collapsity, Obama can do no right. The more I read up on Bernie Sanders and the details of his record, the better I like him. I have read a great deal about how Denmark, by any index, has the happiest population in the world and have often thought that the United States could learn a lot from the Danes and their form of government. And lo! in my search for information about Bernie Sanders, I find an article in the Huffington Post by Sanders on what we can learn from Denmark Ver-r-r-r-ry interesting!! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 20 Nov 14 - 06:07 PM Bill D: "No scroll button on your computer?" Yes, I know....and I pointed out that I would NOT be voting for B.S...(Bernie Sanders, too), because I would not endorse anyone from any party that was either involved in LYING to 'his constituents' about something he knew was fraudulent, and voted for it, OR was too stupid to know what he was voting for, OR didn't read what he voted for....and you shouldn't either!...BUT, just for those who vote straight party lines, go ahead....and some of those are on here, who just wet their panties, reading my posts, regarding deceptions....and somehow think THEIR party, and President, somehow descended from Heaven and stepped out of a UFO, to SAVE the world...and any skeptic,(read: realist), should be quieted down and slurred to death by political nonsense-babble! Let's bottom line it..... I'm NOT up to permitting anyone or party, to infringe THEIR OPINIONATED WILLS, over my rights....!...especially when they are built on a foundation of LIES and/or secret agenda!!...got that???!!??..EITHER PARTY!! What's wrong with 'up front' and honest?????????? ...and at this point, it is plenty obvious to see WHO their lackeys are on here! Gee...that should be simple to understand.... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Bill D Date: 20 Nov 14 - 07:52 PM I repeat... YOU are not privy to anyone else's mind. "Lie" is a serious assertion, and needs more than just assertions of incompatibility with YOUR notions and interpretations of actions and statements. You still seem to be avoiding admitting OR denying that you watched the link I provided. There are many explanations about why a president would change his views and revise his comments. You may claim to be 'independent', but you sound just like Republicans who repeat one talking point endlessly, as if calling someone a liar 47 times make it more 'true'. "Lackeys" crap! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Don Firth Date: 20 Nov 14 - 08:04 PM Once again Goofalong Collapsity displays his abysmal ignorance of the subject—ANY subject. He has a pathological eagerness to sound like he's up on things without actually saying anything other than to try to crap on the heads of those who DO know. Obviously knowing nothing about Bernie Sanders, he's against him. Knee-JERK reaction of a person who doesn't want to bother taking the time and effort to learn something, he just wants to piss in the punchbowl and heap abuse on others. PTUI!! Bernie Sanders is neither Democrat nor Republican. He describes himself as a Democratic Socialist and runs as an independent. And once he's elected to a position, people keep re-electing him. So what does that tell you? Article about Bernie Sanders. Another Article about Bernie Sanders. The more I learn about him, the better I like him. You will note that the Goofball never says who or what he's FOR. The mark of a know-nothing pedant. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 21 Nov 14 - 05:46 AM Bill D, OK...I went to both of your links...(one, I had already seen, and I don't know what those papers were..just typing with notes and grading...and most of it opinionated...so maybe it 'speaks to you' but I thought it looked like....well, God only knows what it was)... ..as far as the other one...comments from MSNBC....and if you're interested in 'equal time' from another point of view, you should probably watch Fox's coverage and commentary...just for the sake of equal time...and there is a proverb..."A wise man hears the whole matter, before he speaks".... Personally, I though it was a very emotional, and well written speech, and I've heard both commentaries...(plus a few others)....but guess what?.....He's bullshitted too many times....and IF he was so-o--o concerned, why didn't he address the issue when he had both House and Senate, and pass an immigration bill during his first year, like he promised he would?? Now, addressing the question of 'legality'...I've heard 'talking points' on both sides...one, emotional gambits, the other Constitutional authority.....and none of us really KNOW what the deciding factor is going to be decided on..but, I think it may end up in the courts. Don't waste your time trying to convince me of anything of the outcome...nor I, you....it's really out of our hands....and pay grade! Don Froth: "...Goofalong Collapsity..." Hey! That's pretty original...not bad...... ...but that's MISTER Goofalong Collapsity, to you, sir...." GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Don Firth Date: 21 Nov 14 - 01:08 PM Okay, Mister Goofball Collapsity, but did you agitate the family brain cell sufficiently to read the two links about Bernie Sanders that I posted? No, I didn't think so. Among other things, it's easy for any congenital idiot to call President Obama (or anyone else) a liar, but it takes a little more effort to explain you opinion of what it is they lied about, why you think it's a lie, and what you believe the real facts are. You don't seem to be up to that part of it. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 21 Nov 14 - 01:48 PM Frotho the Magnificent, but Brainless: "...but it takes a little more effort to explain you opinion of what it is they lied about, why you think it's a lie, and what you believe the real facts are." Well if you weren't so bent on reading my posts to find references to Your Majesty, you WOULD have comprehended that I've included a great many links PROVING my point...but then to idiot-logues, such as yourself, all proof and logic is pointless! So here is a PARTIAL list: Shovel ready jobs Benghazi, YouTube video was the cause...blah blah..even in front of the U.N..and two weeks after everyone KNEW better!....and NO mention that the Benghazi office was selling arms to Syria...under the table. "If you like your health plan...and doctor you can keep them, (shortened version). Not a tax (Obamacare), so they falsely promoted....until the Supreme Court ruled that it was.. People would save $2500 a year under that 'plan'....their premiums AND deductibles went significantly higher!! Jeff Immelt, fgormer head of G.E. (MSNBC), job czar, with $500 million to start jobs for the American worker, but somehow he did....in CHINA!..No wonder Bill D watches MSNBC, for his insights!...Ya' think that MSNBC is unbiased??????... Immigration reform, in his FIRST YEAR....when he could have EASILY done it, with both Houses of Congress, in a 'Democratic' majority.. Fast and Furious...Let's run guns to the cartels....same song and dance as Iran/Contra... IRS, just like Nixon did..and Obama even joked about it! Hope and Change????...Hope for WHAT??..and CHANGE to WHAT???..Try 'Bait and Switch'!! Not that these are particularly SMALL things....and there are a lot more! But that should get you started....but you won't...You'll just come back with some meaningless drivel, slurring and slamming, those who point that out to you..with NO HONEST, or intelligent rebuttal! Now if you can't reply, WITHOUT your USUAL semi-literate diatribes, name calling attacks, then don't...it is only MORE evidence that you have NOTHING!!...(ever heard THAT before?????) The ONLY person on here, who has had ANYTHING interesting to say, in support of Obama, has been Joe Offer, to whom I would listen to his take. YOUR take has shown NOTHING, but how dense 'wannabe activists', can get!..so BAD that you twist other posts, from opposing views, and slip in an additional spin(read: lying bullshit). You refuse to acknowledge the corruption, and excuse it with 'the end justifies the means' horse-puke! You ought to consider yourself lucky that I even respond to your obtuse stupidity! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President From: Don Firth Date: 21 Nov 14 - 02:04 PM (Looks like I really got up his nose that time.) Same old invective, Goofball, and lots of repeating your Yorkie-style yapping, but no evidence of careful research into the Right-Wing allegations you're so fond of parroting. You got sucked into the Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly party line and don't even know it!! (But then, maybe you DO!) Don Firth |
