BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Nov 14 - 12:23 AM

Sorry about that, Ebbie.

Now. back to a serious discussion of the original subject: Bernie Sanders for USA President.

Don Firth (genuine philosophically based Liberal, not a "so-called" anything).

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Nov 14 - 12:03 AM

Goatfeathers!

Don (Cthulhu) Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Nov 14 - 11:16 PM

Don Froth: "Merely pointing out what should be obvious to everyone: the fact that other than to trash other people's political and moral positions without suggesting an alternative is an act of moral cowardice."....

Well, I agreed with you on that one.....


Frotho the Magnificent: "Not to mention betraying the fact that you haven't a position of your own."

I don't??????...another one of your stupid ASS-umptions, without basis!!


Frotho: "One that you would undoubtedly be called on to defend, which you don't appear to be intellectually capable of doing, if your long history of posts on this site (over 10,000) is any indication."

No problem...but I'm not inclined to go into a long winded marathon with you, AGAIN, while you spout off complete fiction, in a dizzying display of, intoxication of your own idiot-unlogical blathering deceptions and pseudo intellectual rhetoric of 'so-called liberal' talking point spinning.   

Frotho the Malfeasance: "Go back to your music. Cut rate, bargain basement, imitation Vangelis is something you seem to be able to handle."

"Cut rate, bargain basement, imitation Vangelis"...(blah blah blah)
Well that "Cut rate, bargain basement, imitation Vangelis"...is being used in 5 hospitals in 4 states in the capacity of cardiac-therapy....
but then, trying to explain the Heart is beyond your capacity...

YOU bought into the Obamacare lie, and 'defended' it, even though you SAID you preferred the single payer plan better, (and so do I)...but you were...(and I can prove it)...just happy and fine with it being a DECEPTIVE 'step'....(we already went 'round and about with that one)..
..While you could NOT answer the question on 'WHY', was the need for DECEPTION, when at the time, Obama(and crew of thugs and con-men) had the majority of the House AND Senate.....There was NO reason to misrepresent it, AT ALL,........unless.......it was just another DECEPTIVE step to something else......but that's another story, too far beyond your limitations of understanding......you only see things through your 'political-gee-look-at-wonderful-me' blinders!

Sit on it!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Nov 14 - 10:11 PM

But then, you know that didn't you?

The Lone Haranger

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Nov 14 - 09:54 PM

Merely pointing out what should be obvious to everyone: the fact that other than to trash other people's political and moral positions without suggesting an alternative is an act of moral cowardice. Not to mention betraying the fact that you haven't a position of your own.

One that you would undoubtedly be called on to defend, which you don't appear to be intellectually capable of doing, if your long history of posts on this site (over 10,000) is any indication.

Go back to your music. Cut rate, bargain basement, imitation Vangelis is something you seem to be able to handle.

Cthulhu

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Nov 14 - 09:32 PM

Cthulhu: "Goofball comes out against everything and everybody. That's easy.
But, being a moral coward, he never says what he is FOR."

Ebbie: "Ah. You noticed it too?"

OK...What do you want to know?

GfS

P.S. ...BTW, Cthulhu, I think a better example of 'being a moral coward' is YOUR post, trying to attack me, when you put forth NOTHING...except a snotty remark....I thought you might have actually had something to say!

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Nov 14 - 03:06 PM

Ah. You noticed it too?

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President
From: GUEST,Cthulhu
Date: 15 Nov 14 - 02:49 PM

Goofball comes out against everything and everybody. That's easy.

But, being a moral coward, he never says what he is FOR.

Cthulhu

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Nov 14 - 02:04 PM

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, that in the link I provided, clink on the links within the article, if you need some clarification or validation on what I posted was TRUE ...AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Nov 14 - 01:54 PM

The BEST thing, that neither party would ever do, is tell the truth..and NOBODY on the horizon, who aligns themselves with either major party, is going to do that! Sanders MIGHT be someone who could be tempted to do that....BUT, if he voted for Obamacare, then he is either one of the 'stupid' ones, as described by Jonathan Gruber, architect of the ACA, 'Obamacare' fraud!, and if he was, NOBODY should vote for him!
Kucinich, who was a long time hold-out for voting on it, knowing it was bullshit, voted on it, and then did not run again...(too bad, on both counts).

If you find yourself a Democrat, defending this kind of fraudulent treachery, then you are either one of the 'stupid public', (quoting Gruber), or just plainly, a lying ideologue, who doesn't give a shit about the truth, or who doesn't give a shit about willfully deceiving people, because you're brain-locked into you party's 'rhetorical talking points'....

...bit IF (and I'll check it out), Bernie voted for it, NO WAY should he even run......who needs ANOTHER lying or stupid President???

Sorry you ideologues found yourselves in such a pickle...but then, when people, (such as myself, and others on here) were telling you the truth, you just dug your heels in further, and insisted we should all be as stupid as yourselves!!!!!!

TRUE story!!!!!! (..and easily verifiable!!)

GfS

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President
From: GUEST,John P
Date: 15 Nov 14 - 11:41 AM

The problem with the Occupy movement was that there were a bunch of people standing around in the rain while the Republicans/Tea Party got organized and took over Congress, the courts, a lot of state governments, and a lot of school boards. We might be somewhere by now if they had spent all that energy and taken that moment in history to actually engage in the political process in some meaningful way. Yes, it's a broken process, but it's also one that ignores outsiders. It brought home the Will Rogers quote: "I'm not a member of any organized political party. I'm a Democrat."

It doesn't seem likely that we'll have any meaningful reform until we break the power of the two major political parties. We currently reward a bunch of people who are pre-selected for over-weaning ambition and a desire for power when they act in ways that are meant to feed this desire and maintain their personal power rather than governing the country.

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President
From: Elmore
Date: 14 Nov 14 - 10:03 PM

I'll never forget the first time I saw Bernie introduce Peter Seeger at the Champlain Valley FF. Two Great men who happen to be Americans.

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President
From: GUEST,#
Date: 14 Nov 14 - 09:56 AM

I am refreshing this thread because I love the title.

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President
From: Elmore
Date: 13 Nov 14 - 10:45 AM

Bernie Sanders; a man of integrity. Therefore not qualified for the presidency.

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Nov 14 - 10:42 AM

I keep hoping that people will get smarter and question everything, not just what's going on on the other side. I keep hoping people will realize their vote is more powerful than money. I keep wanting "smart" to be stronger than "stupid", and then Teapers elect some bimbo with the ability to be an attractive puppet, and I throw my hands up.

The "Occupy" movement was a start, but people just didn't seem to have limits on what they were willing to sacrifice and gave up. "Oh, my vacation time is up and they'll kick me out of my job/college if I don't go back." Things haven't become bad enough for people to be serious. I don't know what it will take for that to happen, but I think it will. I HOPE it will.

I don't think it's just money that rules the world. I think it's education, too. I think if you teach people to just believe and not to question, they teach their kids, and it becomes fairly easy to insinuate someone's particular "truth" into the dogma. Then, you try to shame those who question for trying to be smarter.

MY paranoid fantasy for today...

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President
From: GUEST,#
Date: 13 Nov 14 - 10:12 AM

There is too much influence peddling in Washington, a city with over 12,000 lobbyists. Bernie Sanders is an honest man. I doubt he'd last a week before he was disappeared or his real birth certificate is suddenly located and guess what? He's brown skinned from an area in the Punjab and his father was a Muslim and his mother an atheist.

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Nov 14 - 07:28 PM

*IF* Hillary didn't run, I'd not be surprised to see Elizabeth Warren go on & run....but she is not likely to compete against Hillary and divide the party in an awkward way.

Warren is VERY knowledgeable on economics, but I'm not sure about her competence in foreign affairs. No doubt time in the Senate allows her to bone up on all sorts of things... but Hillary is already pretty well up on most issues.

(I make these points because I consider awareness & competence to be essential for the office. So many others... especially Republicans... don't seem to bother with the details of anything - they just follow political talking points and parrot party-line agendas.)

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President
From: gnu
Date: 12 Nov 14 - 05:34 PM

Warren-Sanders. Or vicey versie. Ain't gonna happen either way but I can dream.

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President
From: Jeri
Date: 12 Nov 14 - 02:55 PM

I believe there are more independent voters that in previous year. While I never liked Nader much, I can't think of a candidate I currently like (or am apt to in the foreseeable future) more than Sanders.

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Nov 14 - 01:12 PM

I would accept Sanders as president, but he hasn't got a snowball's chance in hell of being elected. I worry that he'd be this decade's Ralph Nader and cost the Democrats the election.

Now, if he'd run in Democratic primaries and use the soapbox to make points, I'd love to see it... but not as an independent in the general, please.... not until we change the system to allow minor parties to have 'after the election' influence, like Israel and some others.

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Nov 14 - 12:15 PM

Yes, I was thinking of Barnie Franks. SORRY, BERNIE!!!!

I think a Sanders/Warren ticket -- no matter which is P or VP -- would make for an interesting race. Fresh faces, if you will.

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President
From: olddude
Date: 12 Nov 14 - 12:10 PM

Agree

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President
From: GUEST,#
Date: 12 Nov 14 - 12:02 PM

Probably the very best thing that could happen for America. However, how many folks would pick up on that fact?

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Nov 14 - 11:24 AM

Yes. I think Rap is thinking of Barnie Frank. Whom I also like.

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President
From: Jeri
Date: 12 Nov 14 - 10:45 AM

Rap, you're confused.

Wiki on Bernie Sanders

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Nov 14 - 09:03 AM

A statesman is a dead politician, and Lord knows, we need more statesmen!

But being gay Bernie might have a hard time. Run Elizabeth Warren and Bernie for VP.

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President
From: GUEST,sciencegeek
Date: 12 Nov 14 - 08:44 AM

if the Democratic party had any sense, they'd endorse Bernie. He's more of a statesman than a politician and lord knows we are dire need of more statesmen than dime a dozen political hacks.

Subject: BS: Bernie Sanders for USA President
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Nov 14 - 11:26 PM

I have admired US Senator Bernie Sanders for years. Clear-headed and progressive in his views he has the mettle to be a real statesman in the mold of Adlai Stevenson, Sam Erwin and Benjamin Franklin, even though he is better known at this point for speaking out on other subjects.

Today he intimated on the Rachel Maddow show that he is considering a run for the presidency. An Independent he caucuses with Democrats but does not really espouse either party.

Here are some of this thoughts on corporatism:

"In my view, a corporation is not a person. A corporation does not have First Amendment rights to spend as much money as it wants, without disclosure, on a political campaign."

"If a financial institution is too big to fail, it is too big exist."

"You know, I think that many people have the mistaken impression that Congress regulates Wall Street. In truth that's not the case. The real truth is that Wall Street regulates the Congress."