BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Dec 14 - 01:37 PM

I see that teh Montana legislature has taken note.

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 11 Dec 14 - 12:39 PM

I wouldn't know what you mean.

Unless, that is, someone around there wanted to see everyone's underwear...

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: J-boy
Date: 10 Dec 14 - 10:25 PM

You guys crack me up.

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Dec 14 - 12:22 PM

Beyonce and Jay-Z "royalty"? OMFG.

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: GUEST,achmelvich
Date: 10 Dec 14 - 03:04 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-19922678

i would guess her maj had her fist experience of denim and general hairiness on this visit to my old uni.(though 3 years before my time there) the image you may remember at 2.37 in the accompanying film

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: frogprince
Date: 09 Dec 14 - 06:30 PM

My gawd; it's a wonder God didn't strike L. James dead on the spot, like with the guy who absentmindedly touched the Ark of the Covenant when it looked like it might tip off the cart !!!

(Headline news, my ass)

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: GUEST, topsie
Date: 09 Dec 14 - 06:08 PM

There was an item on UK TV (can't remember which channel) this morning about Will and Kate 'happening to meet' Beyoncé and Jay-Z, who were described as US royalty. News to me. I don't know if anyone was wearing jeans, though.

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Dec 14 - 05:50 PM

"dress appropriately in the presence of the royals"??????????

I'm quite a fan of Miss Piggy, but my answer to that is FUCK OFF.

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Dec 14 - 05:37 PM

Mercy! Some colonials seem to have never heard of "royal protocol"..... I expect that LeBron James has ruined his chances of having a royal baby named after him.. ☺

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: olddude
Date: 09 Dec 14 - 05:14 PM

According to some pics I heard published Kate sometimes wears nothing at a pool

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: olddude
Date: 09 Dec 14 - 05:12 PM

No jeans just tshirt and Bermuda shorts

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: gnu
Date: 09 Dec 14 - 04:59 PM

Indeed, Charmion!

Now. Whot's with this?!

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: Charmion
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 12:00 PM

Without the royals, whatever would the fine china people do for excuses to issue "collectible" dust-catchers?

The amount of royalty-themed crockery in Canadian china cabinets is impossible to estimate, but I'll bet that, if laid edge to edge, the Chuck 'n' Di plates alone would circle the earth half a dozen times.

Mind you, as a card-carrying citizen of this Dominion (my first passport even identified me as a British subject!) I consider myself entitled to take my morning arthritis pill with tap water sipped from an official Edward VIII coronation beaker. It's heritage, doncha know.

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 12:16 PM

I hereby offer forthwith, this evidence, that the royal family, and in particular our blessed and illustrious queen, is a great asset to the tourist industry of this beloved kingdom?...............ie, the gift shops in Central London are full of monarchy tat, which I assume sells to tourists from all over the globe. In fact, a stroll round Westminster and southwark is likely to evidence people and languages from numerous lesser kingdoms.....no, I am not being serious there...but maybe !.                                             If you should ever venture over here , bill, we might well be able to help as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: GUEST,#
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 10:38 AM

Gotcha. Put 'em up at a nudist camp.

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: GUEST,Jean
Date: 25 Nov 14 - 04:22 PM

Unfair!
#Maternity size Large.

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: Musket
Date: 25 Nov 14 - 11:38 AM

Uncle Dave. If you read what I put, I said that the PM is not our head of state but as we are effectively a republic, he leads for us with other world leaders. My point being that whilst my compatriots complain with a degree of justification over the cost and inferred influence of royalty, the Republic they crave for exists and the supremacy of Parliament has been thus since Charles II.

Churchill was second fiddle to your President on ceremonial issues but equal in negotiating with Johnny Foreigner.

Incidentally, both Churchill and Cameron were / are fairly high up on the "in line to the throne" list. I recently found that my Mum's side are too, but male succession & all that. I'm a peasant. Which fits because Dad's side were Scottish if you go back 150 years.

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: GUEST,#
Date: 25 Nov 14 - 11:15 AM

"Royalty is coming! No jeans!"

I got an extra pair for the guy, but what size is the gal?

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: GUEST,Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Nov 14 - 10:17 AM

Bloody cops. They'll do anything for a result.

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 25 Nov 14 - 10:17 AM

Musket, you either don't know or are ignoring a significant
difference in roles between the Queen (and the President, in the US) and the PM.

There is an interesting anecdote from WWII times, that tells
of a ceremonial international banquet attended by Churchill and
Roosevelt.

It seems that Churchill complained (perhaps with tongue in
cheek) to Roosevelt that the protocol officer(s), in planning
the occasion, had seated Churchill in a less-preferred seat
than Roosevelt's at the table.

The story is that Roosevelt replied something like, "That's because
I'm the Head of State as well as Head of Government, whereas your King is the head of State and you are only the Head of Government."

Apocryphal? I don't know, but it does somewhat illustrate the two
roles.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Nov 14 - 10:07 AM

one of my relations was once confused with Lord Lucan. in fact a retired Scotland Yard detective got a book deal and wrote and published a book, proving that he was Lord Lucan.

However Uncle Barry wasn't Lord Lucan.

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: Musket
Date: 25 Nov 14 - 08:09 AM

Blessed are the Muskets cos they get laid.







Trust me, nothing else matters.

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: Stu
Date: 25 Nov 14 - 06:34 AM

Blessed are the clique for they shall overestimate their worth.

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: Musket
Date: 25 Nov 14 - 04:34 AM

Blessed are the meek for they shall inhibit the earth.

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: Stu
Date: 25 Nov 14 - 04:32 AM

"You know what I haven't done? Sat whinging and nursing the shoulder chip of low esteem."

Good point. I have to say Sir Musket, I admire your unquestioning self-confidence in your opinions, and your dogged refusal to entertain the view they might occasionally be flawed. I've never been an alpha male I'm pleased to say.

Bill D - I agree with Sir M and think you would find it fascinating here. Things are always different when you see them first hand and while the stately piles of the aristocracy are certainly worth a look as ever it's the smaller things that I think you'd find most interesting, the nooks and crannies of the towns and villages.

As for pubs, get over here asap to sample them, they're being closed down at a frightening rate. Our session pub is due to shut in February, parts of it are 14th century and the owners, the execrable Punch Taverns won't spend a penny on upkeep. There are astill good pubs to be found, but even the most spit and sawdust ones are in danger of gentrification. Ugh.

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: Musket
Date: 25 Nov 14 - 01:23 AM

The empire strikes back!

It isn't mods Steve. The establishment has cunning algorithms woven into the Internet. That Tim Berners Lee? 24,794th in line to the throne.

Bill. If you did get the chance, you would find it fascinating to compare with your image of here. I know I still get that buzz when in The USA despite having spent more time there than is strictly necessary. The snag is, your place is so ruddy huge, so varied and so unlike the clichés..

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: GUEST,Steve Shaw, demented
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 08:53 PM

No, it's back again. I'm going to bed. I may be gone some time.

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: GUEST,Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 08:51 PM

This is getting really silly. The thread is being decimated by a presumed royalist mod. First it was chopped, then stuff came back, then it's gone again. Being leaned on by the monarchy mafiosi, are we?

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 08:17 PM

I am royalty because my father said I was descended from Irish kings (well, so is almost everyone) and it is OK if you wear jeans around me.

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: GUEST,Steve Shaw, undeleted after all
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 07:16 PM

No I'm not. Something a bit odd happened there. Sorry about that.

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: GUEST,Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 07:14 PM

Hello? I'm being deleted. Anyone care to tell me why?

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 07:13 PM

Well, thank you Al! I have has 2-3 offers in last 5-6 years, but I seriously doubt I'll manage. I have seen a large part of the US, and my wife traveled extensively in Europe before we met.... it was hard to decide where to go, so we started a family instead.
Retirement on a fixed income leaves fewer options.

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 07:03 PM

Bill D - come to England - you can kip on our sofas. we'd love to show you the place. bus fares are very cheap - give yourself enough time - you could see the lot!

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: GUEST,Steve
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 06:59 PM

It's its. Small print on iPad, not illiteracy.

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: GUEST,Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 06:58 PM

Sadly, the monarchy, along with all it's hangers-on (without whom we probably wouldn't be having this discussion), won't be going away any time soon. However, if Wingnut gets a couple of decades under his belt he'll almost certainly bring the whole thing into serious disrepute. At least the Queen knows she's a bit thick and tends to keep her gob shut. The cheeky Greek hubby of hers, less so, but they do keep him well sidelined. Charlie Boy hasn't a bloody clue, and he sticks his head above the parapet far too often for royal comfort. He'll do a far better job of turning the royals into a laughing stock than any of us sour-faced republicans ever could. It could get quite entertaining, but it still won't be entertainment worth thirty-odd million a year.

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 06:17 PM

I don't think whether the monarch remains Head of State or not would have much affect on our roads, stately homes, gardens etc etc though Bill. Or the beer and traditions etc. Bit of a red herring. Or even the palaces for the most part. The main palace in Scotland (ie Holyrood House) is a tourist attraction in its own right and would remain so were the monarch not Head of State. London is a massive world city and tourist attraction in its own right.

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 05:29 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z2M_hpoPwk

god save the queen

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 05:24 PM

I see that, as usual, the topic has drifted from how to dress in the presence of royalty, to royalty in general and the intrinsic value of having it at all. Not living there, or even having visited, I am not at all qualified to debate costs, culture, pedigree or system of government....

However, because OF the long and complex history of Britain,(with some of my own family having roots there) I am in awe of the scenery, architecture, pageantry and cultural eccentricities. Genuine 'pubs' with local ales! I have had various folk bring me bottled samples, and have savored some amazing brews... on tap could be even better.
I would love to BE a tourist for a few months sometime and just walk in some of the places I have seen images of.... the famous and the obscure. If that means keeping those palaces, stately homes, gardens and monuments...etc. 'available', I would hope that it continues to be profitable AS tourist draws.
   I often 'drive' around England or Scotland in Google Earth just to see places mentioned in folks song and legend.... and in old British TV shows. I believe that Britain has been documented better than any place on earth.
I 'might' enjoy a live show of changing of the guard, but there are countless videos & images better than I'd likely get. I'd rather explore the art in some of the 'open' homes and take in the not-so-common views of the areas they are situated in.

Whatever the relationship is of "Constitutional monarchy" to the values of having the ambiance available, I hope it is maintained. If I never manage get there, I can still enjoy the place(s) in other ways.

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: Musket
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 02:48 PM

That'll save me a fortune on central heating costs too Al.

I judge judges, just like you do duck. I especially like judging those who see sections of society as second class and blame victims of rape for being drunk. The last time anybody in Western Europe tried the idea of rounding up gay people and subjecting them to invasive clinical procedures just for being gay, they were judged too. Nuremberg if I am not mistaken.

Don't worry Steve. You need a head of state so the pensions of those who moan get paid each month. Stock markets and government bonds love us, yet only because Frankfurt, where the intelligent money would go, doesn't. Me? I used to exploit every marketing advantage I could and boy, did I sell UK PLC, especially in Middle East, Pacific rim etc. It helps pay the bills.

No, I'm neutral on this. If I slip in any direction, it is concern about what we would replace them with and how that would sell.

We are a republic already. Constitutional monarchy is republicanism. (Is that a word?)

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: GUEST,achmelvich
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 01:49 PM

i queued for ages to get a look round the palace of versailles - this was after the revolution but seemed to be a very popular attraction. i'm sure there are plenty of places (palaces) owned by the royals now that would be interesting for future tourists and locals to investigate. though there is no way i would pay -again-for the privilege

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 12:56 PM

a bit of low self esteem might give us a break occasionally , Ian. personally i had the benefits of a quaker upbringing, and from the age of eight understood that i was the chaff that would be separated from the wheat and burn eternally in hell.

and also from the sermon on the mount - judge not less ye be judged - that includes akenaton......

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: GUEST,Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 12:24 PM

And, without wishing to get overly seriarse on a thread about appropriate threads, surely we should be talking about what's right and what's wrong instead of looking for expedients about how much money Buck House makes, etc., and whether they make oil sheikhs a bit better disposed towards us.

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 11:55 AM

They would be even richer if the monarchy was abolished. Brenda's income comes from the Crown Estate from which the treasury takes a far bigger bite than they would get is she paid tax.

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: GUEST,Steve Shaw debunking myths
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 09:30 AM

As for the royals bringing in tourists, this old chestnut, routinely trotted out for decades, has no substance behind it. Not one royal attraction comes in the top ten list of visitor attractions. See visitbritainshop.com for that. You can't show that any tourist coming to the UK wouldn't come here but for the royals. It's pure guesswork. You can make the assertion, I can make the opposite assertion, and we're firmly in flying spaghetti monster territory. I have nothing against anyone holding the deluded view that the royals are a "good thing", but, if you really want to bother making points in favour, at least make sure they are not groundless.

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: GUEST,Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 09:08 AM

Yebbut we have to pay for a prime minister, his entourage, security, etc., AND the bloody royals! As for the 30 million-plus we pay these benefits-scroungers par excellence, er, just remind me - who just happens to be one of the richest people in the world? As I type this, thousands of low-paid public service health workers are just finishing a token strike because they haven't had a rise for four years and the government has once again overruled their pay review body which had recommended a princely increase of one per cent. I know which lot are more use to us. The royals wouldn't know, as we pay them to not have to use the services of people like that.

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: Musket
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 08:46 AM

Shaking hands with the Queen isn't a job. Shaking hands with you, maybe would go on my CV. One doesn't get many opportunities to mingle with the proletariat. It would be nice to say I had empathy with whatever angle you are coming from, (fucked if I know.)

I haven't had a job as such since 2003, thinking on.

You know what I haven't done? Sat whinging and nursing the shoulder chip of low esteem.

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 07:56 AM

Wonder how much the President and his entourage cost the US. Anybody know?
I would be surprised if it's less than the Queen costs us.
And at least she has no power over her people.

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: Charmion
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 07:44 AM

We're all mutts, even (especially) the royals.

And we're all immigrants, emigrants, or descendants thereof.

Why deny to the royals the freedom of movement and association that we claim for ourselves?

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 07:35 AM

Billy Connolly found out that he has some Indian ancestry on the recent Who Do We Think We Are prog. Not quote the same as not being Scottish. Though Musket is right. We all know they have lots of foreign ancestors (and I am not a royalist myself) but of course the Royals are British.

For a start claiming they aren't British means you have to completely ignore maternal sides of the family. William's mother Diana Spencer comes from a British aristo family - as does the Queen's own mother. Are we really going to seriously suggest that someone born in this country to a British mother, who's family has been here for many centuries, isn't British? That would be absurd!

So what is meant is that the royal lineage isn't British. However that doesn't stand up to scrutiny either. One way some people say that the Royals aren't really British is because they were called the House of Saxe-Coburg (spelling?) prior to changing it to Windsor. What is in a name though? Suggesting that the child of a British man is British because the child has a British name but that the child of a British woman is not British because said child has a foreign name is absurd. Victoria was the monarch and the Royal House took on her husband's name because of convention – but it didn't actually stop her or any of her children being British!

Then some will say that Victoria was of the House of Hanover anyway so was already a German and not British. Again this is absurd as her family line had been back in this country for generations and indeed out of more than a thousand years or so the family royal lineage has only been out of this country for several generations. When the exiled Stuarts were passed over for Sophia of Hanover (George I's mother) they weren't passed over for some completely unrelated foreigner. Sophia of Hanover's mother was Princess Elizabeth Stuart of Scotland the elder sister of Charles I of England and Scotland. Elizabeth was born in Scotland and brought up in Scotland then England. Had it not been for her sex she would have been monarch rather than Charles I anyway! Indeed the whole idea that the royals aren't British seems to hinge on sexist ideas that if your father has a foreign name then you and your descendants are Johnny Foreigners until the end of time!

Subject: RE: BS: Royalty is coming! No jeans!
From: Stu
Date: 24 Nov 14 - 07:33 AM

Musket has done every job that has ever existed.