BS: Women in the front line

Subject: RE: BS: Women in the front line
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 22 Dec 14 - 12:30 PM

For far from the first time, I have not the remotest idea what you can possibly mean: this time by

"to say you can achieve rank doing admin is about as sexist as it gets"

But please don't trouble to expound or explain, as you are clearly in one of your "wear 'em all down with boredom" veins, & I really can't be bothered to engage with you when one of these fits comes on you.

Tara

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Subject: RE: BS: Women in the front line
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 22 Dec 14 - 12:33 PM

(Tho if anyone else thinks they might know what he [they] are on about, I wouldn't mind an attempt at interpretation. But it sounds like complete drivel to me.)

Subject: RE: BS: Women in the front line
From: Musket
Date: 22 Dec 14 - 02:12 PM

Here's the explanation.

Read the first post on this thread by you.

Subject: RE: BS: Women in the front line
From: Musket
Date: 22 Dec 14 - 02:20 PM

Just out of interest, do you have any other response other than "giggle, I don't understand what he is on about? Does anyone else?" when challenged for your more silly posts?

You do it to a few people who challenge your ahem "old fashioned" views.

A pity really. It doesn't go with the facade.

Subject: RE: BS: Women in the front line
From: Ed T
Date: 22 Dec 14 - 04:21 PM

As someone mentioned earlier, not all of todays front line military roles rely more on physical strength alone. Todays military tasks, in the field and elsewhere, differs from the past. However, assessing the suitability of people for military taskings, especially among the sexes, are mired in the past-which assessed people on different physical characteristics, than required in many tasks I today's high tech field of conflict.

Linked is an interesting related background article-if you don't have time fof a full read ( its some 80 +pages) , there is a summary near the end.

Men and women, weight, body fat strength and endurance in military tasks 

Subject: RE: BS: Women in the front line
From: Ed T
Date: 22 Dec 14 - 04:24 PM

Apologies-here is the top of the US book I linked. The summary is somewhere around page 83.


Assessing Readiness in Military Women:: The Relationship of Body  

Subject: RE: BS: Women in the front line
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Dec 14 - 07:12 PM

Had a talk with a couple of writers today....one thought the equilibrium of an infantry unit in combat could be adversely affected by having a female member.
Members of these units are trained to look out for one another, if the unit contained one or two females, the males may feel it their duty to protect them from harm...a natural reaction which could have a bearing on the effectiveness of the unit.
He was a son of Sir Fitzroy McLean, war hero, author, and supposed template for James Bond.

Subject: RE: BS: Women in the front line
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 22 Dec 14 - 07:41 PM

one assumes there is an identifiable front line.

The question is not whether some women have the aptitudes needed. Of course they do. There are other questions that apply. They have to do with the safety of the women, the possibilities of assaults or romances, which could affect situations back home, privacy issues, etc. They have almost nothing to do with qualifications. It is not how does the woman perform but how does the unit perform and is the enemy more or less subdued.

Subject: RE: BS: Women in the front line
From: Ed T
Date: 22 Dec 14 - 08:27 PM

I talked to a couple of guys outside the John today, whike they were waiting to take a pee. They all agreed that women are just as fit for the military as guys are. One said his friends sister was "string, like a bull". I submit that this reliable and unbiased survey is good enough to hang anyone's hat on.

Subject: RE: BS: Women in the front line
From: Musket
Date: 23 Dec 14 - 03:39 AM

I had a chat with a couple of decent normal people with no misogynist hang ups yesterday. I suggest the worm does likewise.

Subject: RE: BS: Women in the front line
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Dec 14 - 05:59 AM

MG....I respect your knowledge of the subject, I think we are agree tat the EFFECTIVENESS of the unit is of paramount importance in this instance, not the "rights" any particular group.

Subject: RE: BS: Women in the front line
From: GUEST,Some bloke in Scotland
Date: 23 Dec 14 - 06:32 AM

women are ineffective now...

This gets better (worse)

Subject: RE: BS: Women in the front line
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Dec 14 - 08:29 AM

"the males may feel it their duty to protect them from harm...a natural reaction which could have a bearing on the effectiveness of the unit."

in combat, a bond forms with your "buddy"... and your unit... until losses become so great, you don't even bother to learn the new guy's name. Read Audy Murphy's "To Hell and Back".

and if females are so "precious"... why are they subject to murder, rape, etc. by invading soldiers?

It makes as much sense as dragging the silverware over the ice by the Franklin expedition... an unthinking response to conditioning... well conditioning is a two way street.

Subject: RE: BS: Women in the front line
From: GUEST,Charmion's brother Andrew
Date: 23 Dec 14 - 05:00 PM

I have served with women in the Royal Regiment of Canadian Artillery since the early 1990s. These women are among the best Canada can muster. They meet high standards and are driven to not just succeed, but exceed. They yomp with the rest of us. When they are killed in action, as happened with Captain Nicola Goddard in 2006 in Kandahar, their troops carry on and complete the mission. The guy who took her place found she left big boots to fill, but the forward observation officer's party she had led was solid.

Armoured corps crews are similar. You need to worry about, as Bruce Coburn put it, "the brain behind the gun."

Think of a brain that has been that challenged as the leader of engineers. The booby traps--we'll take the tit jokes as read, thank you--are likely going to be nothing of which you had ever thought.

Infantry is another thing, since part of the stock-in-trade of a grunt is physical menace. Few men and even fewer women can bring it off. They are, however, out there in both flavours. Watch out.

Subject: RE: BS: Women in the front line
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 24 Dec 14 - 02:40 AM

IMO if a woman enlists to join the Army she is just as prepared to sacrifice herself in action as her male counterparts as a few have already. I am sure that individual strengths and training would be taken into consideration as it would be if it was a man before being let loose on a battlefield.