BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.

Subject: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: Mr Red
Date: 21 Feb 15 - 08:46 AM

Fotokite

I want one. Watch this space.

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Feb 15 - 10:42 AM

The solution is a 12-gauge shotgun, full choke, and No. 4 shot. Which is what any that fly over my property can expect.

I would urge others to do likewise.

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: GUEST,#
Date: 21 Feb 15 - 11:30 AM

What will they think of next?

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: michaelr
Date: 21 Feb 15 - 12:14 PM

Acceptable solution to personal drones?

Personal heat-seeking missiles.

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: Tiger
Date: 21 Feb 15 - 01:06 PM

There are many very useful applications for drones, personal or otherwise. The genie is out of the bottle.

US Gov't wants to regulate 'em. Hey, go ahead, but it's a waste of time. Too many people want 'em and will have 'em, 'legal' or not.

You can supposedly be prosecuted for shooting down a drone over your property, but it sounds like (and will become) great sport.

A few safety regulations, e.g., airport restrictions, make sense, but after that, anarchy rules.

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: olddude
Date: 21 Feb 15 - 01:53 PM

I am with Greg I am waiting to practice drone shooting. I hope the operator does fancy moves to simulate a grouse

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: olddude
Date: 21 Feb 15 - 02:15 PM

You can get a used industrial interceptor laser on ebay a little tweeting and drone is no more if your neighbors object to a shotgun with number four

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Feb 15 - 02:29 PM

Laser?? Naaah, Dan - the shotgun'll do the trick & is a lot less complicated & reliable, especially with "hevi-shot' 3" loads.

As for shooting down a drone over my own property, if the Law wants to come after me, being it on.

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Feb 15 - 02:49 PM

How about a trained falcon?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Feb 15 - 02:54 PM

Unfair to the bird. Drones are inedible & the faclon might get cut by the propellers. Now, a trained falcon to harrass the OPERATOR of the drone in question might be sounds workable.

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: GUEST,#
Date: 21 Feb 15 - 03:07 PM

When you have a free twelve hours, give this a listen.

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: olddude
Date: 21 Feb 15 - 03:58 PM

Hire one of those middle east guy they can throw a rock better than a baseball player in the big leagues

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: olddude
Date: 21 Feb 15 - 04:09 PM

Buy my own put a picture of snoopy on it and arm it with smoke bombs and Roman candles

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 21 Feb 15 - 04:53 PM

I would suggest that if you're going to shoot down a drone, you file the sights on your shotgun nice and smooth first. It will do less damage when the pissed off drone owner finds who destroyed his expensive toy and comes roaring up your driveway looking to shove that shotgun up your ass.

Really, what's the deal? People have been flying radio-controlled fixed-wing model airplanes for fifty years and nobody's ever threatened to shoot them down. Is it just the word "drone"? Maybe if everyone called them "model helicopters" ya'll wouldn't feel so threatened by a friggin' toy.

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Feb 15 - 05:06 PM

Well, Bee, I disagree.

I suggest that you prosecute the asshole drone owner for harrassment and assault. He can keep his goddamned expensive toy - with its camera, invading my privacy and making an unholy racket that I don't need to listen too off my property unless I've given him permission if he's a responsible human being. If he's not, screw him.

Maybe if everyone called them "a royal pain in the ass" we wouldn't be bothered by them.

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Feb 15 - 05:07 PM

P.S. Bee: shotguns don't have sights.

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: GUEST,#
Date: 21 Feb 15 - 05:22 PM

Some shotguns do, Greg. FYI.

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 21 Feb 15 - 05:28 PM

My shotgun does. A ramp sight with a small bead.

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Feb 15 - 05:55 PM

Wimp. Real wingshooters don't use sights.

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: GUEST,#
Date: 21 Feb 15 - 06:05 PM

Sheeit. Point the gun at the sound. That should do it.

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: olddude
Date: 21 Feb 15 - 06:55 PM

Too many reported situations with drones and camera's looking into windows and filming everything. Shoot them all down

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: olddude
Date: 21 Feb 15 - 06:56 PM

I would be happy to discuss it with the owner one on one.. Ahh we can chat why it's a bad idea to fly one over my house

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Feb 15 - 07:43 PM

Some years back I was in a large nearby park watching a guy having all kinds of fun with a radio controlled model airplane. Looping, swooping, doing figure 8s, strafing runs at a couple of squirrels, and generally having a good ole time.

Then the hawk seemed to appear from nowhere.

The hawk was quite startled when its prey seemed to fly apart in its talons, but it was not hurt, and the guy managed to salvage the motor and one wheel off the landing gear.

A helicopter configuration would probably be dangerous to the bird.

How about going after the intruding drone with a drone of one's own?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Feb 15 - 08:11 PM

How about going after the intruding drone with a drone of one's own?

That's just compounding the problem, Don. Shoot 'em all down, let Allah sort 'em out.

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Feb 15 - 12:53 AM

Still leaves the problem of potential collateral damage....

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Feb 15 - 01:54 AM

Case in point:

News story some years back: In a community north of Seattle, a man living in a small house got up from his easy chair to change channels on his TV set (before the widespread use of remotes) and just then he heard a loud "bang" above and behind him.

A bullet had come through the ceiling of his house and buried itself in the seat of his chair. If he hadn't gotten up just that at moment, the bullet would have gone through him nearly vertically.   

New Year's Eve and on the Fourth of July, things can get a bit dangerous because of the habit of some numbskulls who step out one the front porch at, say, midnight on New Year's Eve and fire a couple of celebratory rounds in the air.

Things that go up do tend to come down. Rare is the firearm that propels a bullet fast enough to achieve escape velocity. And in a populous area, such as a city....

Including shotgun pellets raining down at terminal velocity....

Not good!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Feb 15 - 10:21 AM

Including shotgun pellets raining down at terminal velocity....
Not good!

Shotgun pellets in free fall don't have enough mass to offset drag forces & at terminal velocity won't to do any damage.

The "Myth Busters" show did a pretty good segment on rifle bullets in free fall, which is a slightly different case.

What ARE dangerous are are rifle rounds fired at afairly low angle of elevation.

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: GUEST,#
Date: 22 Feb 15 - 10:47 AM

Uh, are the drones armed?

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: GUEST,#
Date: 22 Feb 15 - 10:57 AM

OK. I figure Mr Red has started a thread that could lead to the most complicated legal case in world history.

Sam owns a drone that he lends to Bill who then peeks in Alan's window whereupon a shotgun blast crashes the drone on William's property where it starts a small fire that eventually engulfs the entire region. A gas line is damaged and the EPA decides to get things straight by suing the person who started the whole thing. Meanwhile, Dave was shocked and had a mild heart attack. Saving his life cost $198,204.79 plus the pending legal costs. The lawsuit commences in 2015. It will be settled in what year?

a) 2026
b) 2059
c) 2099
d) 3692
e) When hell freezes

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Feb 15 - 11:35 AM

You channeling Rube Goldberg?

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: GUEST,#
Date: 22 Feb 15 - 12:05 PM

I'll do that when the first appeal comes through.

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: olddude
Date: 22 Feb 15 - 12:31 PM

Lol

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: olddude
Date: 22 Feb 15 - 12:32 PM

Get my own drone and rig up a flame thrower

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Feb 15 - 01:41 PM

Before you go shooting at drones—or shooting guns into the air in general—read THIS. Especially the part where it talks about the findings of the "Myth-Busters" television show.

Also, read THIS.

Sorry to be a spoil-sport, but those are the facts.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: Jack Campin
Date: 22 Feb 15 - 01:51 PM

Barrage balloons worked pretty well in Britain in WW2. Just ring your garden with balloons attached to knotted used guitar and banjo strings.

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: olddude
Date: 22 Feb 15 - 02:31 PM

Goodidea jack

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Feb 15 - 05:22 PM

I can't say I'm too concerned about personal drones. If someone gets their jollies by watching me go to and from the grocery store or drug store, or wants to track me if I go for a walk in the nearby park, well, it's their time they are wasting. And when at home, I can frustrate the efforts of any "peeping Tom" by simply altering the angle of the Venetian blinds. Blocks views of anything except at a specific angle and still lets the light in.

If someone does succeed in spying on me while I'm at home, they'll generally see me pecking away at the computer, or reading a book, or practicing on the guitar, or watching television. As a spectator sport, methinks that would probably have pretty limited appeal.

One countermeasure to small personal drones, if you can get close enough, would be an aerosol can of Silly String. Or, for that matter, a butterfly net. Some personal drones are pretty darned expensive, and causing one to crash in a tangle of Silly String, or capturing it and whacking it with a hammer, could hit the peeping Tom in the pocket book. Especially if it were to happen repeatedly.

So far, they seem to be used mostly by adolescent geeks (of all ages) spying on young women sunbathing topless in their back yards. I wonder if it ever occurred to said geeks that there are legal implications to that kind of activity.

Also—personal drone activity in populous areas is regulated by the Civil Aeronautics Board in the United States. I imagine there are similar regulations in the U. K. and Europe in general.

Don (peek-a-boo, I see you!) Firth

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Feb 15 - 07:06 PM

I would be happy to discuss it with the owner one on one.. Ahh we can chat why it's a bad idea to fly one over my house

Are you an exceptionally large man then? Will you be my friend?

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Feb 15 - 07:09 PM

Just ring your garden with balloons attached to knotted used guitar and banjo strings.

Why "used", Jack? Surely that's the best use for ALL guitar and banjo strings...

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: olddude
Date: 22 Feb 15 - 07:26 PM

Lol

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Feb 15 - 08:03 PM

Before you go shooting at drones—or shooting guns into the air in general—read THIS.

Again, Don, thery're talking about rifle bullets- not birdshot. Whole different kettle of fish - as I tried to explain above.

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: olddude
Date: 22 Feb 15 - 08:32 PM

I actually would like to have a decent one to be used at my cabin way up high in the rockies. If I could hook up my night vision and flir for Bigfoot hunting. That has been my excuse to get off by myself for a weekend and do my walk about alone. Since my heart operation my family bitches at me so I can't do It alone anymore but can bring my son in law. No bigfoots but fun to be out

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Feb 15 - 08:49 PM

Why would anyone want to look at what I'm doing? If they find me that exciting they should just introduce themselves. If they invade my privacy beyond my acceptable limits (which are quite small) I'll deal with it as the circumstances allow. WHAT I will do I'm not going to share because it might be your drone that I destroy with a blast of The Force.

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Feb 15 - 09:06 PM

I like having my privacy invaded but I do set strict limits as to the age, gender and build of those who would so invade. Details on request.

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Feb 15 - 12:42 AM

Standing in a rain of spent birdshot from on high may be as gentle and relaxing as a shower of rose petals, but before one fires a shotgun loaded with birdshot into the air in a populated area, it might be judicious to check on how the law regards such an act.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Feb 15 - 07:29 AM

Ah! OK, Don, but that's "the law", not science. ;>) Different thing entirely.

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: Mr Red
Date: 23 Feb 15 - 10:39 AM

flying a kite can be dangerous. This device is, according to the inventors, classed as a kite for the purposes of US legilation. Because it is tethered. Better to allow something that is safer and reduce the need for other types.

There are many ways a kite can be annoying, one of them is the Japanese variety that tethers multiple kites on each other and even in the UK can exceed the 500 ft legal limit for such things. There was a case in the 1960's near Heathrow Airport. And doubtless many more since.

Putting a camera on kites and helium ballons is done by estate agents but not as controllable. If anyone bothered to view the video, you will have seen the inventor's raison detre was to enable the videoing and photographing of events like the demonstration against electoral irregularities in Russia. Which would have recieved better world coverage with more photography.
And look what that irregularity produced with Polonium in London, and tanks in Ukraine and who knows what else.

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Feb 15 - 10:50 AM

Hmm...fighting kite vs. personal drone....

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Feb 15 - 12:36 PM

I am aware of the difference, Greg. Just trying to keep you--and those of similar inclinations--out of the slammer.

If all sorts of people are shooting at drones with shotguns, you can be sure some goofball is going to try it with his .30-06.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Feb 15 - 03:46 PM

Just trying to keep you--and those of similar inclinations--out of the slammer.

For which, all thanks, Don.

As for goofballs, until we can get a 'criminal stupidity' ststute on the books, hopefully classed as a felony ( and Lord, do we NEED one ) ain't much we can do to counterract idiots.

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: GUEST,#
Date: 23 Feb 15 - 05:49 PM

Gentlemen, water cannons are the coming thing.

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: olddude
Date: 23 Feb 15 - 06:02 PM

Well I live in the country shooting a shotgun in my back yard is down right civil here. Heck my neighbors would join in and take bets who could down it quicker

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 23 Feb 15 - 08:05 PM

potato gun

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: BobL
Date: 24 Feb 15 - 03:22 AM

Firework of the Air Bomb variety.
Length of steel pipe of suitable diameter.
Aim carefully.

http://www.ghengisfireworks.co.uk/fireworks/mines/ultimate-fear-4-inch-mine.aspx

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: olddude
Date: 24 Feb 15 - 10:58 AM

If ya paint your house camouflage they will never find ya

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: GUEST,#
Date: 24 Feb 15 - 03:29 PM

Dan's got the right of that.

Subject: RE: BS: acceptable solution to personal drones.
From: olddude
Date: 24 Feb 15 - 06:27 PM

Lol