BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Mar 15 - 12:03 AM

Ebbie: "Guest from Sanity, I suspect that the T doesn't like you and your positions as well as you hope."

Well, Ebbie, that might be true to some extent, but there IS ONE important thing we agree on........(Note his last sentence)

Teribus: "Still see that as far as the subject of this thread goes both yourself and GregF have yet to contribute anything towards the discussion, what's the matter? Have you not been told what to think yet?

...and this is from only my TENTH post on Mudcat, from seven years ago!!:(Note the last paragraph...even though the whole post still holds!).

From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?         04 Jun 08
Date: 04 Jun 08

Riginslinger,
    Being as Little Hawk was merely quoting(cut and pasting) me, I'll jump out there and reply, for him, as well as myself. As I posted earlier, BOTH parties have been corrupted!, and the ideals that they used to stand for have been co-opted by the agendas of those, who have no interest, whatsoever, in representing you, or the original intention of either party. Haven't you noticed, that within yourself, that we tend to 'agree' and go along with what someone proposes, or compromises for, rather, than having them (the party) actually representing the majority will of their constituents?? Too many times we end up having to just 'go along' with what they come up with....and usually, it has NOTHING to do with the principles or ideals of our constitution...but always a stretch! Slowly by slowly, our form of government is changing, without the will, nor consent of the people. ..and we just sit around, to argue the 'party line' Well, my dear friend, the party (both) are, and have been, out of line, for a long, long time. Now we debate issues, that are not realities, to principles, but rather 'trends' fashioned to fit the 'agendas' shaped though corruption. This has become so obvious, that most think it normal!
You are told what to think, not 'how' to think!!..Remember, right wing and left wing are on the same bird..(and its not our eagle, either). Clear enough????"


Well, well, well..some people catch on sooner than others....it just takes a bit of honestly, with ourselves!

Hey Ebbie, I'm routin' for ya'!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Mar 15 - 06:50 AM

sensible people around here refuse, with good reason, to play your "prove it" games,

It is not a "game" to ask someone to support their assertions in debate with some evidence.
If the assertions were not just made up preconceptions, you would be able to.
But you can't.

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Mar 15 - 05:50 AM

Steve, You have reverted to personal abuse now.
If you had an argument you would deploy it.
You have nothing, so you say "bullshit" or "extreme right wing" because you do not need to know anything to say that.

Anyone can do what you do.
Putting up an argument requires knowledge.

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Mar 15 - 03:08 AM

"Steve Shaw - 18 Mar 15 - 07:11 PM" You are succeeding brilliantly in making yourself look sillier and sillier.

Acolytes?? - You might need those I most certainly do not.

GfS and myself agree on some things and no doubt disagree on others, however, unlike you, he states what he thinks and backs that up with why he thinks that way providing sources and references when and where necessary. It is therefore possible to have a discussion exchanging ideas and point of view. Same goes for Akenaton and Keith A of Hertford.

Others with whom I agree with on certain topics include Jim Carroll (Folk Music and the importance of maintaining the "Tradition"), Musktwat (Scottish Referendum), Big Al (Capital Punishment).

Still see that as far as the subject of this thread goes both yourself and GregF have yet to contribute anything towards the discussion, what's the matter? Have you not been told what to think yet?

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Mar 15 - 02:24 AM

Don: "....some Syrians and other Mid-Easterners...."

Though I agree, would you care to elaborate?

Don: "So the claim that the U. S. Army is training Isis rebels is a spurious allegation."

Earlier, I had posted, "Whether or not it comes out WHO is training them...there is no doubt, who has supplied them!!!...the question is knowingly??....or by sheer ineptitude?" In that, I'm not saying, that we trained them(ISIS), but we sure supplied them.

Think it might be a consortium of financial investors?...as a means to an end?
Possible.

Think that one supplies the labor, and the other the materials? Possible.

Would you consider, whomever was behind some of these decisions was operating from 'The Right' or from 'The Left'???........or for the banking institutions involved??

Think we'd ever get to see THAT portfolio????

Don, though we've established 'quite a history', there is no agenda of confrontation....let's just 'contribute'...OK?

(....and all snide remarks must be meant in humor, both ways, giving and receiving.....or you may wish to waive that right).
Smiling...

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Mar 15 - 01:08 AM

Some years back, the U. S. Army trained some Syrians and other Mid-Easterners leading up to previous conflicts. Britain and a couple of other coalition countries were involved also. Since then, some of these Mid-Eastern trainees have joined Isis.

So the claim that the U. S. Army is training Isis rebels is a spurious allegation.

But screwing around with recent history gives the U. S. haters, both foreign and domestic, an opportunity to run around screaming and feeling self-righteous.

Ho-Hum…. Another boring day at the skunk works.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 10:21 PM

Now that we've established 'civil discussion'...what are your views on, 'Who is training ISIS the US Army'.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 10:10 PM

Greg: "And what, exactly, would that be whe its home?"

Are you trying to make sense???....get some more sleep!

Steve, once again you are making no sense....all I posted was that Teribus and I had a civil discussion ....civil discussion.....you know?..civil discussion.......hmmm, maybe that is a new concept, and you don't know what that is....try again...civil discussion

Just look it up, and try not to argue with the website's definition.

....civil discussion....


GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 07:11 PM

Note: Teribus and I straightened out the (smaller) details by a civil discussion....and it brought clarity...

Poor Teribus. His tightly-argued extreme right-wing positions attract a certain type like flies to a turd. His self-declared allies are Goofus, Ake and Keith. He's occasionally defended the latter (in admittedly lukewarm terms) but, let's face it, his acolytes must be making life tough. As you and he together, via your civil discussions, have brought us so much clarity, I look forward to his warm endorsement of your lucid opinions. A bit lacking as yet...

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 06:01 PM

that a true liberal position...

And what, exactly, would that be whe its home?

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 03:36 PM

Ebbie: "I suspect that the T doesn't like you and your positions as well as you hope. :)"

But at least he can carry on a civil exchange of ideas.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: GUEST,#
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 01:18 PM

Apropos of nothing, I traded emails with Imam Syed Soharwardy about six or seven years back and found him to be an honest straight-forward individual.

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: GUEST,#
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 01:14 PM

Well, I came to this thread to learn. I already know how to cuss.

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 01:00 PM

Guest from Sanity, I suspect that the T doesn't like you and your positions as well as you hope. :)

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 12:49 PM

And that was total bullshit.

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 12:45 PM

Steve: "So if I say that someone is talking bullshit, it automatically means that they are not talking bullshit because I have no counter-argument, huh?"

OK... 'talking bullshit', as compared to what???..the truth??...and if you know what that is, spit it out....it would be a breath of fresh air, compared to 'talking bullshit'...wouldn't you agree???....as long as you're the one who brought up 'talking bullshit'.

The next post:

Greg F.: "is the counter argument of those who have none."

Unless that IS ALL they know!

GUEST: "Bullshit", and the like, is the counter argument of those who have none."

See above.

So I repeat. "OK... 'talking bullshit', as compared to what???..the truth??...and if you know what that is, spit it out....it would be a breath of fresh air, compared to 'talking bullshit'...wouldn't you agree???....as long as you're the one who brought up 'talking bullshit'.

Why don't some of you nincompoops just state a position, or at least state an opinion, and back up your claim??

...unless you can't reach one....though all your focus on 'bullshit'.

Note: Teribus and I straightened out the (smaller) details by a civil discussion....and it brought clarity.....all you guys have done is brought the venting of some mysteriously, groundless name calling, with nothing to back it up. What are you waiting for??...someone to feed you some 'Talking points', flavored with artificial sweeteners, and organic 'bullshit'??

GfS

P.S. I suspect that a true liberal position would have its merits...but this 'so-called liberal' crap has just about ran out ANY credibility!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 11:49 AM

In countries like the U.S., Canada and Britain, potential recruits must find a jihadi mentor, which can be done online or through ISIS supporters in their local communities, according to Imam Syed Soharwardy, founder of the Islamic Supreme Council of Canada.

"I cannot believe that there is no one from ISIS on the ground here in Canada or the U.S. or Europe. They are now recruiting, so they are absolutely here," he told IBTimes. "IS people, those who are very rigid fanatics, they do live in this country, they do recruit. They do facilitate in recruitment."

The mentor-recruit relationship often begins through religious seminars, community activities or classes that might look normal to the average Westerner, Soharwardy said. Of the five known foreign fighters in Syria from Calgary, Alberta, three attended the same mosque, Soharwardy said.

It's important for recruits to mention the "right mosques" and to choose the right mentor.

IBTimes

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: GUEST,#
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 11:45 AM

Thank you for the info.

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 11:01 AM

More importantly, who's doing the recruiting for ISIS?

So far, U.S. BuShite foreign policy is leading the way with Britain not too far behind.

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Teribus
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 10:59 AM

Who is funding IS?

This Newsweek article seems to cover it.

In brief:
They hold an oil rich territory roughly the size of Austria so I would imagine smuggling and selling the oil would be their main revenue stream.

Selling artifacts is another.

Taxation and extortion another.

Kidnapping for ransom.

Donations from sympathisers.

Fake Humanitarian Aidraudulent Charity donations.

Reportedly their revenue equates to ~$6 million a day.

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 10:51 AM

Or, for that matter, MICES?

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: GUEST,#
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 09:46 AM

So, uh, who's funding ISIS?

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 09:33 AM

is the counter argument of those who have none.

Absolutely!Yes, we have no bullshit.

Next, T-Bird, KOA & company will demand that I prove the earth isn't flat.

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 09:25 AM

So if I say that someone is talking bullshit, it automatically means that they are not talking bullshit because I have no counter-argument, huh? Has it occurred to you that there is bullshit that you just can't fight? Like pork you can't educate?

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 07:54 AM

"Bullshit", and the like, is the counter argument of those who have none.

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 07:45 AM

Come off it, Teribus. If you and Keith haven't worked out by now that sensible people around here refuse, with good reason, to play your "prove it" games, then you haven't been paying attention. And, before you say it, the good reason is, most decidedly, not the fear of being proved wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Teribus
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 04:51 AM

C'mon GregF, do some "googling" and come up with some substantive evidence of this supposed "14-karat bullshit" - God knows you've been invited to often enough and not once have you come up with the goods - pretty piss-poor track record if you ask me.

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Mar 15 - 01:05 PM

but you can not debate if you know nothing.

As you yourself have ably demonstrated time and time again, Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Mar 15 - 12:49 PM

If it is bull shit, refute some of it.
That is how debate is supposed to work, but you can not debate if you know nothing.

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Mar 15 - 12:28 PM

S.F.A. to say.

Ah, but Fanny Adams beats mountains of 14-karat bullshit any day.

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Mar 15 - 11:50 AM

Pitiful really, the pair of you still banging on with absolutely S.F.A. to say.

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Mar 15 - 10:15 AM

:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Mar 15 - 09:36 AM

I would appear to have, and have had, a far, far better and more productive one than you.

And a far, far better rest you go to than you have ever known?

'tis a consummation Devoutly to be wish'd.

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Mar 15 - 07:21 AM

How do you know?

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Mar 15 - 03:13 AM

I take it therefore Mr. Shaw ( thankfully ex-educator of our nation's youth) from your post of "16 Mar 15 - 06:26 PM" that you cannot provide any substantive evidence to justify naming Israel as a "Rogue State", having been given an opportunity to do so (Don't bother now its just too late). By the bye Shaw, free, transparent, democratic elections are underway today in Israel, that will see the peaceful transition of one democratically elected government to another or a re-election of the existing government. Taking the surrounding countries care to tell us when they last had, or indeed if they have ever had similarly free, transparent, democratic elections.

What exactly was it that I lost Steve, I've had a good look round and it would appear to be nothing. You have on the other hand proved the point that GfS made about you handsomely.

Similarly for GregF if his post of "16 Mar 15 - 06:39 PM " is anything to go by. He keeps yelling that I spout bullshit yet he cannot for the sake of his own life actually refute a single thing that I have said (Obviously for him "googling" isn't as easy as he said it was - OR - I wonder if he did some "googling" only to find out what I was stating was the truth and is all a simple matter of well documented record).

"Get a life" GregF?? I would appear to have, and have had, a far, far better and more productive one than you.

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Mar 15 - 12:53 AM

Steve the Mental Wizard: "You say yes, I say no, you say why, I say go go go. Discuss."

His NEXT post: "OK, scumbag. You lose. I knew I'd get you in the end. Enjoy the rest of your miserable life! :-)"

Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
I'm a schizophrenic,
And so am I.

Methinks you and Greg are posting like this, because maybe you DON'T have a position, but are programmed to REACT this way...as opposed to RESPONDING. (There is a difference).

So, as to not appear as weird as this looks, why don't you just state a position, and work it out.

(You'll appear both brighter and, who knows, maybe you might say something that is more enlightening).....

.....and I'm being 'polite'.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Mar 15 - 06:39 PM

GregF you normally manage to say the square root of S.F.A. in your posts

As opposed to your posts where you manage to say bullshit to the one hundredth power, T-Bird ?

Please.

Get.

A.

Life.

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Mar 15 - 06:26 PM

Now absolutely dying to hear how Islamic terrorist apologist Steve squares Israel (the only functioning democracy in the region) as a "rogue state".

OK, scumbag. You lose. I knew I'd get you in the end. Enjoy the rest of your miserable life! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Teribus
Date: 16 Mar 15 - 06:13 PM

Now absolutely dying to hear how Islamic terrorist apologist Steve squares Israel (the only functioning democracy in the region) as a "rogue state".

So far as I have witnessed over the past six decades the only time Israel has acted has been in defence of its population. It has signed two peace treaties with former enemies and both have held.

GregF you normally manage to say the square root of S.F.A. in your posts which is why it is only once a blue moon that I ever respond to them. You state no opinions related to the subject under discussion, you offer nothing to the discussion you are an irksome distraction - like an empty tin can - noise signifying nothing.

C'mon prove me wrong - go on GregF "Google" something for us that refutes anything that I have stated here, I mean if it is as easy as you say it is even you might be able to manage it - but I somehow have my doubts.

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Mar 15 - 04:53 PM

You say yes, I say no, you say why, I say go go go. Discuss.

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Mar 15 - 04:47 PM

Israel is not a rogue state, it is surrounded by rogue states however.

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Mar 15 - 03:02 PM

No rogue state? Did you forget Israel by any chance?

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Mar 15 - 02:43 PM

Say G'nighty, G'neist. At least until you can understand the English Langusge.

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Mar 15 - 12:19 PM

Greg F: "I see no need to "legitimize" reality."

Maybe you need to legitimize yourself. In 'reality', just what IS your position?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Mar 15 - 10:20 AM

.but you offer NO supporting data to 'legitimize' your criticism

The "supporting data" is easily accessible with a "Google" or other search, for the 30 percent of the population that hasn't already accepted the multiple proofs that T-Birds positions are absolute nonsense.

I see no need to "legitimize" reality.

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Teribus
Date: 16 Mar 15 - 09:55 AM

"That meant both of them. You are arguing from authority. When that authority is a combination of one known liar and one known near-imbecile, well, like I said, not impressive."

Awwww Stevie, did you really think that it was all down to one known liar and one near-imbecile"? Are you really that clueless? Or are you trying to tell us that the administrations of one Democrat President of the United States of America and one Republican President of the United States of America plus all their advisers were all idiots and liars? Sometimes Steve with the crap you come out with I honestly think you haven't got a clue as to which way is up. Remembering of course my first contribution to this thread was supporting the statement made that it would not have mattered who had won the 2000 Presidential election in the USA, things would have happened pretty much the way that they did. As far as Iraq goes both Clinton and Bush were advised on the situation by exactly the same people, I do not believe for one nano-second that either were involved with evaluation or analysis process and after 9/11 the Head of State was told the situation, told exactly what the threat to the nation was and advised on what options were open along with the caveat - Sir we have to do something about this, this must be resolved, in the light of what has happened doing nothing is simply not an option.

In acting as he did in 2001 and in 2003 George W. Bush succeeded in the following:

- Iran's secret nuclear weapons programme was crash stopped and two secret uranium enrichment facilities that IAEA had no idea of were uncovered.
- Libya unilaterally renounced WMD and a secret nuclear weapons programme was exposed and shut down.
- The illegal nuclear weapons proliferation network of Pakistani Dr. A.Q.Khan was exposed and shut down
- A secret nuclear weapons programme involving Syria and North Korea was discovered and destroyed by the Israelis with the help and assistance of the Turkish Government
- By the time Saddam was toppled there was not one single viable candidate nation prepared or willing to play the role of "Rogue State" anywhere on the planet.

So was GWB right in acting as he did - Damn right he was, no other choice.

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Mar 15 - 06:17 AM

Very, er, informative ...

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Mar 15 - 04:32 AM

Steve: "That meant both of them(Clinton and Bush). You are arguing from authority. When that authority is a combination of one known liar and one known near-imbecile..."

Gosh, do you think that both of them just might be a 'little' corrupt, along the way, and let BOTH of their party down, because they were accommodating 'another' agenda......even though BOTH of them had the support of either liberals or conservatives, respectively????

Gosh, when I point that out, I get ostracized.

...and do you mean, that the people who 'identify' with liberalism, for example, and are so convinced that one of the Bozos you voted for, that you start repeating their bullshit...and then 'object' to being called a 'so-called liberal'???.......when the guy your defending and making excuses for, and divisions isn't even anything near what was advertised????

So the glitch is defined.........

....but take the angst, and express your music, with that passion.

Works for me!

GfS

P.S., Oh, and BTW, the voice of deception has uneven rhythms....remember that when your stuff their shit in your ears!...............................................and then repeating it!

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Mar 15 - 03:32 AM

So now we are expected to sheepishly agree with Teribus on account of great big tracts of presidential speechifying.

"TractS", Teribus. That meant both of them. You are arguing from authority. When that authority is a combination of one known liar and one known near-imbecile, well, like I said, not impressive.

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Teribus
Date: 16 Mar 15 - 02:50 AM

Interesting Mr Shaw your post of 15 Mar 15 - 06:58 PM mentions and pours scorn on the 2002 State of the Union Address delivered by GWB yet omits any comment on the speech made four years before by Bill Clinton which basically gave the same message about the same head of State and about the regime ruling that same country.

GfS I think as the article states, the Israeli intelligence services do suffer a bit from their reports being treated as "The boy crying Wolf".