Why does modern music sound so different

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: The Sandman
Date: 17 Apr 15 - 02:26 PM

Steve Shaw, you play your harmonica, because you enjoy doing something creative, of course you would accept money when offered, but making money is not your prime objective, do you agree?
Van Gogh made no money, but produced wonderful art, Charlie Parker produced a new form of jazz, he did not do it for commercial benefit. Bix Beiderbecke played in paul whitemans orchestra to earn money, but in his spare time created wonderful jazz.
did john lennon write give peace a chance to make money?

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Apr 15 - 02:38 PM

"You do respond well to a little tongue in cheek gentle piss-take provocation,"
happens far too often to be ignored, quite often, far from gentle.
I really do have no problem with people not liking what I like, it becomes a little boring to be given down the banks for not liking what they like - no offence taken otherwise.
Far to nice a day - wonderful weather and we've recently been told that there are plans afoot by the County Library website we've donated our Clare song collection to is to be used in local schools to teach kids about their local song tradition - with a singer-in residence as teacher - happy days!!
Sorry about the IBS - been there, done that
Jim Carroll
http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/songs/cmc/index.htm

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: The Sandman
Date: 17 Apr 15 - 02:39 PM

Mozart,when Mozart wrote his music, nobody but Mozart had artistic control over his music, I agree he was commissioned on occasions to write music, and he had an idea of the kind of music his patron might like, so to a minor extent he was working under a tiny constraint,
But unlike modern 21st century pop music, he had no creative interference from producers or record companies, HE HAD ALOT OF ARTISTIC CONTROL it is rather like comparing chalk and cheese

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: Ed T
Date: 17 Apr 15 - 02:48 PM

What is exciting about the current period, and technology, is almost everyone has such a broad choice in music listening via the internet. I frequently listen to various internet radio stations (such as Last FM) search you tube libraries and other sites and discover a treasure of music from the past- and also new indie and international music and very talented musicians.

These technologies have opened the doors for many new and inovative talents who do not meet the industry mold/mould and possibly would not have accepted and promoted by the $ corporate music interests of the past. This opens the door to innovation.

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 17 Apr 15 - 03:27 PM

Speaking of new music sounding very different, has anyone listened to Vivaldi played by Red Priest. Fabulous interpretation.
   One of my favourite genres is opera, but whenever I say it, I get called an "elitist", and that drives me round the bend. Was there ever a singer like Maria Callas ?

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: Will Fly
Date: 17 Apr 15 - 03:51 PM

I also love opera, HiLo - and jazz, and blues, and Southern soul, early country, rock'n roll, funk, ragtime music-hall - and yes, I've heard Red Priest playing Vivaldi - and liked it immensely. There are people on Mudcat who say they dislike opera, or perhaps jazz or hi-hop, perhaps. I can live with that - each to his or her own - as long as those same people accept that the genres they happen to dislike are the same ones that thrill other people.

It's the sneering and contempt for some types of music that's shown here sometimes that pisses me off. It's possible to dislike some music personally and, at the same time, accept its validity to other people.

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 17 Apr 15 - 04:10 PM

Amen, Will.

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 17 Apr 15 - 04:32 PM

There is some music that I find unapproachable. I really do not hear music in a lot of modern classical, modern jazz and rap. I think I usually manage to separte that from suggesting no one else has the rights to like any of it but I can be clumsy at times...

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: GUEST,Blandiver (Astray)
Date: 17 Apr 15 - 06:40 PM

I confess to a certain difficulty getting too far into 'classical' realms, though I'm very happy in the baroque - Red Priest, great fun - but what happened to BBC4s Early Music Show? They featured a lot on there. Talking of Vivaldi and great singers, my socks are still blown off by Cecilia Bartoli's Vivaldi Album from 1999:

Cecilia Bartoli: Anch'il mar par che sommerga (Vivaldi)

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 17 Apr 15 - 06:46 PM

Oh yes, Cecilia bartoli....just fabulous. I have all of her albums. When I am home alone I push them full blast..::.and I sing along, that is why I am home alone!

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 17 Apr 15 - 08:00 PM

PUNK ...I like your postings....

In regard to this thread:

The, One, Four,Five.....got diminished....and augmented...and the blues/jazz were born...

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Drunk enough....stoned enough....both the player and audience consider the experience "Genius."

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: The Sandman
Date: 17 Apr 15 - 08:58 PM

"It's the sneering and contempt for some types of music that's shown here sometimes that pisses me off. It's possible to dislike some music personally and, at the same time, accept its validity to other people."
I am not interested in the validity of Cliff Richard to the people that like him, why should I be, are Cliff Richard Fans Interested in Nic Jones, unlikely, if that pisses you off Will Fly, that is your problem, enjoy being pissed off

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Apr 15 - 09:08 PM

"are Cliff Richard Fans Interested in Nic Jones"

YES !!!! I definitely am....😎

next question please...

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: ripov
Date: 17 Apr 15 - 09:16 PM

Good Soldier Schweik - If I can lift your point about Mozart, yes he had only himself and his patron to please; but his patron would be partying with his mates at the weekend, and would know exactly what the scene was, so that what he wanted from Mozart was something fashionable and new, but not so new that no-one could "get" it, to impress visitors when they partied at his house. And Mozart would be familiar with the sort of music his contemporaries were writing, and with popular songs and dances. So he wasn't writing in a vacuum.

Each composer, each songwriter, builds on what has been before, adds their own input using new techniques, or new instruments if there are any; and produces a sound not necessarily totally individual (except to a specialist), but very typical of the period in which he or she wrote. So that usually a piece of music popular or classical can be dated within thirty or forty years or even closer, by its style, even if you've no idea who wrote it.

So perhaps modern music SHOULD sound different.

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: olddude
Date: 17 Apr 15 - 09:21 PM

I like both types of music, country and western

From the blues Brothers

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Apr 15 - 09:25 PM

Good Soldier Schweik - and quite possibly, Nic Jones himself...???

"Nic Jones was born on 9 January 1947 in Orpington, Kent. He first learned to play guitar as a young teenager
and early musical influences included such artists as The Shadows, Duane Eddy, Chet Atkins, Wes Montgomery
and Ray Charles."

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Apr 15 - 03:15 AM

"It's the sneering and contempt for some types of music that's shown here sometimes"
Not just here
I get pissed off when I find people referring to "long, boring ballads" and "finger-in-the-ear singing" - doesn't stop it happening though.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: Will Fly
Date: 18 Apr 15 - 04:11 AM

Jim, I would totally agree with that - there's no need to dismiss a musical form because one doesn't happen to like it, and that kind of sneering is just stupid. Live and let live.

Dick, you're not getting the point. You don't have to have a jot of interest in Cliff Richard, or the people who like Cliff Richard - or Nic Jones, or the people who like Nic Jones. Neither of those performers may interest some people - but there's no need to be pejorative about it. Accept that all music has some meaning somewhere and let people have their fun - after all, you don't have to listen to it if you don't want to.

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Apr 15 - 04:22 AM

Spot on once again, Will.
Couldn't put it better myself.

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Apr 15 - 05:15 AM

"and that kind of sneering is just stupid. Live and let live."
Sneering at the examples I gave a fairly common - they have even eveolved their own vocabulary for doing so.
It seems such behaviour only 'brings down the wrath of god' it's applied to "my particular taste in music" - double standards or what?
There is very little argument of why pop music should be beyond reproach - my own points, that it is manipulated by a profit-making industry, that it is loud to the point of health damaging and that it dominated our media at the expense of all other forms, has been largely ignored.
Instead, we have "how dare you insult my music"
If I were in any way cynical;, I would take that as a sign of deep insecurity - but that's me.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 18 Apr 15 - 05:33 AM

The point is surely that we are all free to refrain from listening to music that doesn't appeal to us, and even to specify the reasons that it doesn't: for example, I always smile at the description (anyone know whose?) of Modern Jazz as "Variations on a non-existent theme"; and I genuinely can't see the point or purpose of atonality.

But what is unacceptable is surely the tone that some people adopt that their tastes in music make them somehow morally superior to those whose likings happen to be different. I fear there is an awful lot of such attitude about; and indeed that the best of us may be liable to fall into such unworthy animadversions from time to time. But let us all try to curb such tendencies so far as we may.

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Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: Will Fly
Date: 18 Apr 15 - 05:48 AM

Michael - the Voice of Reason - as ever.

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Apr 15 - 06:08 AM

Michael and Will - the voices of reason.....and Truth!

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Apr 15 - 06:12 AM

"morally superior to those whose likings happen to be different."
Can't really see that this has happened here (certainly not from me anyway)
I have given my opinions o modern music on a thread which is basically about peoples feelings on modern music.
I've gone further and commented on the effects that modern (pop) music has on the music I believe to be important - don't see that as being morally superior in any way.
The monopolising of the outlets of music by the pop music industry presents those of us who believe that other forms deserve an equal airing with problems I believe are worthy of discussion on forums such as this.
If this cannot be done without ruffling feathers (as seems to be the case), then we may as well not bother.
As someone who finds himself fairly regularly at the receiving end of so much unpleasantness regarding the music I'm involved with, I'm a bit gobsmacked at the amount of double-standard hypocrisy at play here.
Dear - dear, who'd have thought it!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: GUEST,Blandiver (Astray)
Date: 18 Apr 15 - 06:35 AM

Big - er - Modern Jazz fan here, if that's the term we're looking for. I think I prefer Free Jazz, though a lot off my cherished old vinyl bears the term New Thing, but it's all rather old, like a cherish thing by Albert Ayler from 1964 called Prophecy which was recorded in (gulp!) 1964.

ALBERT AYLER ~ Prophecy

This music thrills me like old recordings of Harry Cox, Joseph Taylor or Hoyt Ming & his Pep Steppers.

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Apr 15 - 06:43 AM

I genuinely can't see the point or purpose of atonality either, but that is not to say it doesn't have a point or purpose, as I'm sure Michael would agree.

Dick, Mozart had to please his paymasters until the last ten years of his short life, then he had to scratch out a living (not make a fortune) during the rest of his life, hopefully writing music that would get bums on seats in the venues he had to hire. The fact that he did all this without compromising his artistic integrity is testament to his genius, especially when you consider that he was hopeless with money and had money worries and indebtedness all through his adult life. It would be ludicrous to assert that he wasn't constantly thinking about money when he composed. Beethoven was obsessed with money and frequently held that the world was out to cheat him. You can produce good art and still make money. You can produce good art and die in penury. You can produce what you and I might consider to be rubbish and make pots of money. But someone else doesn't see rubbish where you and I might see it. The outcome of our constantly disparaging stuff not to our taste is far less desirable than the outcome of our just shutting up about it. After all, it can't hurt us.

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: Will Fly
Date: 18 Apr 15 - 06:47 AM

As someone who finds himself fairly regularly at the receiving end of so much unpleasantness regarding the music I'm involved with, I'm a bit gobsmacked at the amount of double-standard hypocrisy at play here.

Not from me either, Jim - not to my knowledge anyway. And let me explain my position vis-a-vis the traditional music you're involved with.

I don't believe for an instant that any particular form of music deserves an airing - any more than any other art form has a right to be heard over any other. And I have interests in many forms of music that get even less of an airing than yours. (Heard of Rina Ketty? Iosif Ivonovici?) So I've no axe to grind either way. As far as traditional music is concerned, I have little interest in folk songs, but a huge interest in folk tunes. I don't listen to ballads if I can help it - not because I'm not interested in ballads per se - but because I prefer to read my way through them in the comfort of an armchair with a glass of something nice at my elbow, rather than have someone sing them to me.

Just my preference. Tunes are a different matter. I can lose myself for hours in reading the music, listening to it, learning new stuff, practising it and playing it with friends to the point of oblivion - and will continue to do so until I'm dropped, together with my instruments, into a hole in the ground. The fact that very little of what I play gets any airing at all in "media outlets" - whatever they are - is of absolutely no consequence to me. I couldn't give a toss. I love it - my mates love it - and I even get to play it in public - that's all that matters.

PS: Just read Sean's mention of Hoyt Ming & His Pep Steppers - yea!

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: Will Fly
Date: 18 Apr 15 - 06:48 AM

Bugger italics...

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: The Sandman
Date: 18 Apr 15 - 07:15 AM

it is my opinion that the music of westlife and other boy bands is written purely for commercial purposes, in my opinion it is typical of modern music written for a purely commercial purpose, it lacks any kind of passion. compare this music to an older form of music which was ORIGNALLY performed for self expression the blues [ before that became commercialised] in my opinion one the blues when written as self expression had musical passion, compare it then to the waterd down derivative rock and roll[ r and r is ok but its further from its roots and it bloody well shows].
will fly , i will continue to dislike and criticise and be pejorative of modern commercial bland music pop, cliff richard fans have the same right to be pejorative of harry cox or nic jones.
and as for bland diver, who weighs in with a sarcastic[ great dick miles], and then muddies the waters with the suggestion that my reason for playing music is money , is well off the mark, yes i do play for money, i also regularly play publicly for nothing in a session, but my main purpose for playing music is because i enjoy it, if i never did another gig again i would still play music.

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Apr 15 - 07:19 AM

"Not from me either, Jim "
I'm aware of that Will, and often find myself respecting what you have to say without necessarily agreeing with it.
"I don't believe for an instant that any particular form of music deserves an airing"
I don't believe any music has a right to operate a monopoly at the cost of any other form, which is the situation which prevails at present.
As you have no interest in ballads, I don't listen to pop music if I can help it (not always easy with the arrogant assumption that this is what we all want to listen to.
My only interest in discussing modern pop music is in how it effects the musics I am interested in, I believe that is both detrimental and profound.
One of the problems with pop music is that it treated by those who control our cultural outlets and, to a great degree, by many of those who listen to it, is that it is 'the only music' - not the case.
I expect to be able to discuss that fact on threads like this without being accused of nastiness.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: Will Fly
Date: 18 Apr 15 - 07:50 AM

Just one minor correction, Jim - I don't listen to ballads, but I do like reading them to myself. It's a private pleasure.

As I never listen to the radio, and comparatively little TV, I don't get to hear much popular music either. But I read reviews of records in the press - or hear about them from other people on- and off-line and, if I feel urged, check them out on various web sites to get a small earful. Some of it leaves me cold, other stuff not, but that's my business.

Dick, you're absolutely welcome to like and dislike what you will - no-one has any right to call you out for doing so. But if you publicly continue to dislike and criticise and be pejorative of modern commercial bland music pop then don't be surprised if other people publicly disagree. This is, of course, one of the functions of forums like these. In the end, I believe, the arguments pro and con are counter-productive, and say more about the people making them than the music itself. I think I'd rather celebrate the things that give me pleasure than anything else, and leave others to do the same with their musical choices.

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Apr 15 - 07:51 AM

To me - mudcat is at it's best when folks like for example Jim and Will,
who I both hold in high esteem, can debate and disagree in an informed civilised manner;
whilst raising thought provoking points that can help readers form their own opinions either way on the subject.....


But mudcat is at it's worst when ill informed opinionated knobends
just bang on endlessly spouting prejudice
because it helps them to rationalize their stupidity,
and desperate need to feel superiority...

Here's simple general rule -

don't vociferously disrespect other peoples tastes in music,
and sneer at any genres you consider to be shite.

In the eyes of rational, reasonable observers,
it just makes you look like a completely avoidable intolerant pillock...😏

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: GUEST,#
Date: 18 Apr 15 - 08:08 AM

"Bugger italics..."

Easy for you to say, Will Fly. I've been trying to make them for years.

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: GUEST,Derrick
Date: 18 Apr 15 - 09:31 AM

What strikes me reading this thread is the same thing as the quarrels about religious beliefs.
The assumption that many people seem to have, that their own tastes and beliefs are the norm.
What we believe and what music, and foods we like come to that, are the result of our upbringing and experience of life.
Every person is unique,nobody's opinions are better than other peoples,just different and some times ill informed
Having said that society does need laws,rules and etiquette,to ensure life runs in a reasonably fair way.

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: Ed T
Date: 18 Apr 15 - 10:08 AM

""and some times ill informed""
The term is somewhat "fuzzy", but seems logical at a glance. IMO some folks often use this factor to shoot down the personal tastes, opinions and beliefs of others (those that they do not agree with)?

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 18 Apr 15 - 10:27 AM

"I expect to be able to discuss that fact on threads like this without being accused of nastiness.
Jim Carroll"
.,,.

Of course. But looking back, I can't see anyone's having accused Jim, personally & specifically, of "nastiness" or anything similar. If, as may just be the case, he thinks I had him in mind in anything I posted above, in general terms, and which seemed to gain approval from Will, Backwoodsman, et al, then he is mistaken. No specific person was my referent. Can't help feeling that Jim may be squealing before being attacked -- a posture that generally implies a lack of certainty of one's own position, rather than any actuality.

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Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 18 Apr 15 - 10:52 AM

I am going to call you on this one, Will-many of us know and love Rina Ketty, and all of us know and probably can play Iosif Ivonovici's famous melody (though I grant, most don't know his name)

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Apr 15 - 10:55 AM

"I don't listen to ballads, but I do like reading them to myself. It's a private pleasure."
I didn't miss it Will - I deliberately didn't comment on it.
I tend to go along with Bronson, that a ballad isn't a ballad without a tune, and when it isn't sung
Ballad poetry can be fairly trite, even when recited badly, but I'm afraid that on the page, it remains dead for me unless I can think a tune.
I remember owning an LP of John Laurie (Corporal Frazer of Dad's Army) reading Child Ballads - thought it was a piss-take.
"I can't see anyone's having accused Jim, personally & specifically, of "nastiness"
You're probably right - thin skinned sometimes, and I certainly don't include you in the suggestion.
I do feel that the robust nature in which we discus (or don't discuss) "what is a folk song") is applicable to all discussions if it is to one.
Pretty certain of my position on this one though, having recently been driven out of the best restaurant in Dingle thanks to loud pop music which everyone was talking loudly over and nobody was listening to.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: GUEST,#
Date: 18 Apr 15 - 11:05 AM

Jim, I would expect the music is loud to speed up clientele turnover. It seems to work.

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Apr 15 - 11:13 AM

Jim - Well yeah, that is a bloody dreadful experience to be blamed on a thoughtless numbskull restaurant manager
and a wider social 'cretin culture'..

.. but it's not Pop Music's fault per se ????

to paraphrase...

""Pop music Don't deafen People, People Do?"" 😜

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: GUEST,Derrick
Date: 18 Apr 15 - 11:27 AM

What I was trying to say by using the expression ill informed was their opinions could formed with incomplete or false information.

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: Will Fly
Date: 18 Apr 15 - 11:43 AM

Good on you, Stim - someone else who knows and likes Rina Ketty! I only mentioned Ionovici because so many people associate Part 1 of "Waves Of The Danube" with Al Jolson, and think he composed it as "The Anniversary Song".

There's something about Rina Ketty's voice... As Noel Coward said in "Private Lives": "Extraordinary how potent cheap music is." :-)

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Apr 15 - 11:59 AM

"Jim, I would expect the music is loud to speed up clientele turnover"
Whatever the reason, there is an arrogance that seems to assume that we need background music of any type in our lives.
It happens in Building Societies, Banks, when you are held waiting on the telephone....
Pat has mentioned it several times in our Local Building Society and Bank and has been told that the staff object to it, but it is insisted on by head office, who also designate which music is to be played.
Not acceptable, as far as I'm concerned
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: GUEST,#
Date: 18 Apr 15 - 12:06 PM

With you all the way on that, Jim. I have owned about a half dozen cars/automobiles in my life and never had a tape player or CD player installed in any of them. When I listen to music, regardless of type, I wish to be able to concentrate on it without interruption.

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Apr 15 - 12:24 PM

I completely agree Jim.

But I'll offer one exception where the background music is absolutely essential to the experience
and needs to be as loud as possible...

CARTERS' STEAM FAIR

If it ever travels and pitches near you...

A fantastic nostalgia experience, time travelling back to a vintage golden age
of an evening of dodgems and waltzers and thunderously loud steam engines and teddy boy Rock 'n' Roll...😎

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: The Sandman
Date: 18 Apr 15 - 02:38 PM

Mozart wrote good music , when he wrote it was not his SOLE intention to make money, that in my opinion is the difference.
MacColl, [in my opinion] stands out as a songwriter because he cared about social injustice, he could not have written as he did , if his SOLE intention was being commercial, the song that he wrote that became a number one hit was written with passion for his partner it was not written with the intention of being commercial , its success was an accident

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 18 Apr 15 - 03:17 PM

Mozart wrote good music , when he wrote it was not his SOLE intention to make money

So you knew Mozart, Dick? Conversed with him regarding his motivations? And he told you this?

Pathetic.

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: GUEST,Blandiver (Astray)
Date: 18 Apr 15 - 03:36 PM

I remember owning an LP of John Laurie (Corporal Frazer of Dad's Army) reading Child Ballads - thought it was a piss-take.

Now that sounds like my sort of thing! Must check it out. Thanks for the heads-up, as they say...

I tons of old pre-folk Ballads Collections that mix up traditional (or 'Child' ballads) with all sorts of other popular narrative poetry of the time (Service, Kipling, Keats) - so taken in that sort literary context it all makes perfect sense.

Was it is this?

The Jupiter Book of Ballads

Just listened to the samples of Laurie's Usher's Well and Alison Gross and I'm beguiled!

Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Apr 15 - 04:09 PM

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Subject: RE: Why does modern music sound so different
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 18 Apr 15 - 04:18 PM

John Laurie had a long and distinguished acting career well before Dad's Army. Google him. (Not that I have anything against DA. Great programme. And I was at school, in the same Higher Schools sets in English, French & History, as Frank Williams, aka Rev Timothy Farthing, Vicar of Walmington-on=Sea.)

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