BS: Bernie For President

Subject: BS: Bernie For President
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 May 15 - 06:49 PM

Check Out Today's Speech

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie For President
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 26 May 15 - 07:46 PM

I'm glad he is running.

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie For President
From: GUEST
Date: 26 May 15 - 09:08 PM

I hope he wins.

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie For President
From: GUEST,#
Date: 26 May 15 - 10:36 PM

If Bernie wins it will be the biggest upset in American politics since Polk beat Clay.

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie For President
From: Elmore
Date: 26 May 15 - 11:21 PM

I wish him a successful campaign.

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie For President
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 May 15 - 12:43 AM

Thanks for posting the speech, Greg. I'll be back.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie For President
From: michaelr
Date: 27 May 15 - 01:14 AM

If Bernie wins it will be the biggest upset in American politics since Gore beat Bush.

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie For President
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 May 15 - 02:54 AM

Interesting times.

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie For President
From: Airymouse
Date: 27 May 15 - 04:19 PM

If Hillary can admit that voting for the war in Iraq was a mistake, perhaps Bernie can admit that voting against the "Brady" bill was a mistake, but there isn't a peep (sight) about guns in that speech. Which is worse, voting for someone in the pocket of Wall Street or voting for someone in the pocket of the NRA?

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie For President
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 May 15 - 04:37 PM

voting for someone in the pocket of the NRA?

Bernie? Get real.

Sanders voted against the pro-gun-control Brady Bill in 1993, writing that he believes states, not the federal government, can handle waiting periods for handguns. Soon after, he voted yes for the 1994 Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act that included an assault weapons ban. He also voted for the Manchin-Toomey legislation expanding federal background checks.

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie For President
From: gnu
Date: 27 May 15 - 04:46 PM

Washington Post... "Whether or not constituents chose Sanders because they hoped he would better protect their right to bear arms, the senator did not take any contributions from the National Rifle Association or other gun-rights groups that year. He hasn't since then, either, according to the Center for Responsive Politics and the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence." "In 2005, he voted to shield manufacturers from lawsuits brought by victims of gun violence. Consumers injured by dangerous products regularly bring similar lawsuits against other kinds of manufacturers. The firearms industry, along with the NRA and other gun-rights groups, argued that manufacturers shouldn't be held responsible for the actions of violent criminals with guns. Congress agreed, preventing victims from suing firearms makers." "Sanders has also voted against forcing states to respect concealed-carry permits issued by other states." "Yet while he has been a supporter of gun rights, he has also taken plenty of criticism from Second Amendment groups for his positions in favor of other gun-control measures. He's consistently supported a ban on assault weapons." "After the massacre at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn., in 2012, Sanders reversed his position on the Brady Bill the next year and voted to expand background checks. He didn't seem to fully embrace the new legislation, however. "If you passed the strongest gun-control legislation tomorrow, I don't think it will have a profound effect," he said. (The bill failed due to a Republican filibuster, joined by several pro-gun Democrats.)" ""In my view, Congress must consider a comprehensive approach which includes a serious discussion about guns, the need for greatly expanded mental health services and ending gratuitous violence [in] the media."" So... what's yer point? GO BERNIE!

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie For President
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 May 15 - 05:33 PM

The more I hear about Bernie Sanders, the better I like him!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie For President
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 May 15 - 05:39 PM

NOTE: The state of Vermont, with fairly unrestrictive firearms laws on the books, has the lowest incidence of gun-related crime of all the states in the country.

Make of that what you will.

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie For President
From: GUEST,#
Date: 27 May 15 - 08:07 PM

Good thread, Greg.

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie For President
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 May 15 - 09:05 PM

Why thank you, kind sir!

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie For President
From: Airymouse
Date: 27 May 15 - 11:27 PM

Thank you, gnu. I was wrong, so I'll contribute to Bernie's campaign to make amends.

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie For President
From: GUEST,#
Date: 28 May 15 - 01:56 PM

The thing Sanders has brought to Americans is hope. He is striking a chord with younger people, and I suspect many have never voted before. So so many people have just said to hell with it, and I can't blame them. Bush was a loser, and Obama although he's tried hasn't really been much better. America continues to get itself involved in wars that really are none of its concern and I don't think killing people was ever supposed to turn into a business. In a spirit of ass kissing Canada is involved too--and it's no wonder North America is fast becoming third world.

People who say he can't win may be right, but what hope do you have with the people who can be elected? Here at home I've had it with goddamned lying bastard Conservatives and goddamned lying bastard Liberals. Bill C-51 (if anyone wants to know more about it ask Mr Google) is Canada's answer to the Patriot Act. Jingoism at its finest and sure to gain the support of very stupid ill-informed people in this country. Yes, Canada has them too, and we elect as many of them as Americans do.

It is of interest what happens in the US because we watch and listen to lots of American TV, movies and news, and we here are changing our culture because of it. The influence of multinationals, banks and bought politicians is as pervasive in this country as it is in the United States--a misnomer we all buy into. There are two choices left to both of us as countries. Get controlled by folks whose only interest in us as people is how much blood can they suck out of us, or we say screw it, we're gonna go down anyway, so really what is there to lose. When your (one's) focus is which side of the coin you vote for, it's time to vote for someone who isn't on the coin at all. The multinationals, banks and bought politicians own the coin.

YMMV, but this time I'm voting for the one I want to vote for. In this country it's Tom Mulcair. If I was in the US (and allowed to) I'd vote Bernie Sanders.

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie For President
From: gnu
Date: 28 May 15 - 07:20 PM

#... Mulclair all the way. Fuck that strategic voting crap that the trolls keep pushing. It got done in AB (WOW!!!) so it can get done in MY CANADA! I want my Canada back... for my dad and my mum and me and... nuff said.

Bernie? Me too, #. Hell yeah! Bernie and Tom would make good buddies.

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie For President
From: Bill D
Date: 28 May 15 - 07:39 PM

I am not 'sure' Bernie wants the job... I'm fairly sure he doesn't really expect to win. If he did win the nomination, there would be a HUGE campaign to defeat him... not only among Republicans, but even some Democrats would shy away once the label of 'socialist' is repeated every 30 seconds.

If he did win, I'd be confident he'd be honest and do many of the things I'd want. Now... whether I vote for him in the primary depends a lot on who (like Hillary) says what in the next year.

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie For President
From: gnu
Date: 28 May 15 - 09:36 PM

Doesn't even matter if Bernie wins in a way because he's gonna shake things up big time. In the end, if the people vote their conscience, I think he will win. Just that same as I know Tom can win up here in Canuckistan. We need Bernies and Toms. Desparately.

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie For President
From: Amos
Date: 29 May 15 - 02:29 PM

That's a significant "if" factor, good Gnu! I am delighted he is in the arena and I hope the groundswell of support for his ideas scares the pants off a large number of political hypocrites currently contaminating our republic. If it did, at least we would see them for the shriveled and useless dangles they really are.

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie For President
From: gnu
Date: 30 May 15 - 10:48 AM

polistick.com : "A pro-Rand Paul super PAC released the first pure attack ad of the 2016 GOP presidential primary, painting fellow Republican Ted Cruz, who has stood by him against domestic spying, including during his last filibuster, as a "Capitulating Canadian.""

Now, them thar is fightin words!

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie For President
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 May 15 - 11:20 AM

And, its aliterative! Maybe Randal is angling to be the new Spiro Agnew.

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie For President
From: GUEST,#
Date: 30 May 15 - 11:30 AM

Good old Spiro 'Nolo Contendere' Agnew. By today's standards he seems almost middle-of-the-road with his views, doesn't he?

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie For President
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 May 15 - 12:03 PM

Not QUITE that, Bruce, but damn close. And if THAT ain't scary, I dunno what is.

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie For President
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 May 15 - 03:35 PM

Gosh, what happened to Hillary??

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Bernie For President
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 May 15 - 07:10 PM

Oh, she's still around, Goofupalot.

Intelligent people are weighing issues, listening, reading, thinking, and evaluating.

You might try it sometime instead of just shooting from the lip.

The conventions haven't happened yet and they may change things a bit, and the elections won't be for awhile, so--plenty of time yet. No need to make snap judgments.

Don Firth