BS: Cultural genocide

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 03:01 PM

You people could challenge things that we actually say, as DtG just did.
Instead you just attack us for things we have not said.
Or just personal attack.
I expect the thread will now close, letting you all off the hook.

If it is still here in the morning I will repeat some of the facts I have posted as requested by Greg.

Will Greg or Musket produce any facts of theirs as requested by me?
No.
There are none.

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST,R Sole
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 02:20 PM

I wonder if Keith A of Hertford and Teribus are aliases for pro Israeli activists? They both spout off views that cannot be collaborated and when other members question them, they decide the whole Western media and United Nations are biased.

I think Mudcat deserves better than to be infiltrated by such rubbish.

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 02:12 PM

I have posted a lot of factual information.

Where, Keith?

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 01:38 PM

they have the same disregard for historical fact as the Musktwats, Steve Shaw, Jim Carroll, DtG, Raggytash, etc, etc.

Show me anywhere I have disregarded historical facts and I will accept the criticism. Otherwise I suggest you get your facts straight. Or just fuck off. Either will do.

Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Ed T
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 12:43 PM

""The (RC);Archbishop of Ottawa Terrence Prendergast says the Truth and Reconciliation Commission (TRC) is "asking for too much" by demanding the Pope apologize to residential school survivors in Canada.-The TRC on Tuesday called for the Pope to apologize within one year.""




Ottawa RC Archbishops response to report recommendations 

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 12:15 PM

Musket,
You find opinions whilst some of us find hard facts.

You have not posted a single fact.
Prove me wrong and quote one.

You have posted some assertions, that I showed to be wrong.
By posting hard facts.

I have shown that EU, Canada and Australia all support Israel which they would not do if it really was a "rogue" or "terrorist" state, or if it was guilty of war crimes, massacres or human rights abuses.

That is all just propaganda made up by Israel's enemies and all you gullible dupes lap it up.

Greg,
Your posts are long on balderdash but short on factual information.
You have not posted a single fact.
Prove me wrong and quote one.

I have posted a lot of factual information.

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Teribus
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 12:05 PM

GUEST - 03 Jun 15 - 08:59 AM

"Indeed, most Western newspapers are embracing the "Palestinian narrative," whereby Jews are seen as colonists of a Palestinian nation which was stolen off the "Palestinian people" by the British in 1917."

Well one shouldn't give too much credence on what you hear and see reported by "western MSM" - they have the same disregard for historical fact as the Musktwats, Steve Shaw, Jim Carroll, DtG, Raggytash, etc, etc.

As for yourself GUEST - ever heard of any of the following:

The League of Nations
Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations and the San Remo Resolution - 25th April 1920
The League of Nations Mandate for Palestine - 24th July 1922
The Transjordan Memorandum - 29th September 1923
The Treaty of Lausanne

League of Nations Mandate For Palestine

Apart from collectively describing various districts, each with their own names as a geographical area there has never been anywhere called Palestine until the League of Nations decided to describe it such formally when it created the Mandate - NOTE that GUEST - The League of nations created the Mandated Territory of Palestine - the "Big, Bad, British" STOLE IT from nobody they were dumped with the problem for a finite period by the League of Nations and relinquished responsibility for it exactly to the date originally given.

The mandate originally included what is now known as Jordan (77% of the entire mandated territory) but that was broken away and handed over as a semi-autonomous state reserved solely for use and settlement by the Arabs of Palestine in 1923. The reason for doing this was because of anti-Jewish riots deliberately engineered and fomented by Yasser Arafat's Uncle based on blatant lies in 1920 and 1921 made it obvious to the British that Jew and Arab were not going to peacefully coexist in the mandated territory as originally envisaged. The 23% "Rump" of what was left could be settled by anyone who could afford the price of the land and who was willing to work to make it productive.

The term "Palestinians", the notion that there ever was such a country or nation as "Palestine", were latter-day inventions of Yasser Arafat - there is no such race as "Palestinian", if there were based on historical fact it would include the Jews - IIRC when the Arabs drove the Jews out of Hebron during the 1929 anti-Jewish riots the Jewish population of that town had been living there continuously for over 800 years.

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Musket
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 10:34 AM

Some say fuck him

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Musket
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 10:34 AM

So because The UN isn't as pro Israel as the likes of Keith would prefer, he gives us quotes of other peoples' opinions about it. "Grotesquely biased against Israel" is an opinion, an opinion not shared by the many people who use their skills, knowledge and diplomatic experience to make up the executive of the UN, nor the ambassadors speaking for their governments.

You find opinions whilst some of us find hard facts.

Some say good old Keith

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 10:18 AM

If you have some special inside knowledge, please share it with us.

Well, Keith, whilst I am living, I'm not eminent, I dont write for the tabloid press and all of the living, non-eminent people on the face of the globe don't agree with me, so what would be the point?

Your posts are long on balderdash but short on factual information.

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 09:53 AM

Greg, are you sure IS are not planning any expansion in that direction?

If you have some special inside knowledge, please share it with us.
If not, why ridicule something that is no more unlikely than what they have already done?

Your posts are long on mockery but short on substance.

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 09:44 AM

You bet, Guest, and Jade Helm is the Obamafascist plan to invade Texas, declare martial law & confiscate all the guns.

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 08:59 AM

Palestinian jihadis, incited by Hamas and the Abbas regime, are committing acts of terror on the streets of Jerusalem every week. This holy war goes mostly unreported by the international media. Indeed, most Western newspapers are embracing the "Palestinian narrative," whereby Jews are seen as colonists of a Palestinian nation which was stolen off the "Palestinian people" by the British in 1917. The "two-state solution" is a Palestinian plan to turn Judea and Samaria into a terrorist state, from which to strike against Israel and destroy the only Jewish state in the world. Palestinians do not want a state called Palestine. They want a Jew-free Middle East ruled under sharia law.

British Palestine and the rise of Islamofascism

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 08:26 AM

"Canberra will revert to the voting pattern established by John Howard and Alexander Downer: less ambiguous, less apologetic, more straightforward in support of the only democracy in the Middle East.

Bishop has not issued any general voting instructions but she has made it clear she intends to restore the Howard voting pattern and to reverse the votes Rudd changed. She has also made it clear she expects to see every significant Middle East resolution. Nothing will be done by autopilot. Her view is that Australia's vote on each resolution will be decided on its merits but that she will not support any unbalanced, one-sided or unfair resolutions on Israel. As almost all UN resolutions on Israel fall into this category, this is an important statement of principle."

"It's important to understand the underlying dynamics. The UN, in its bureaucracy and voting patterns, is grotesquely biased against Israel. Every year 20 or more completely one-sided resolutions are passed against Israel, while typically nothing is said about North Korea or Iran or Saudi Arabia or any of the other paragons of human rights and democracy among UN members. Many European countries abstain on such resolutions, thinking it's more trouble than it's worth to oppose them outright. Typically, the US, Canada, Israel and a few Pacific countries oppose such resolutions. Under Howard, Australia did too. This was right in principle and also in our interests. It draws us closer to our best friends and makes some contribution, however small, to moving the UN in the direction of the real world.

The alleged damage to our standing by taking a principled position never really amounted to anything. In the years after Canberra became more explicit in its support of Israel we did not lose a single election at the UN, our trade with the Arab Middle East boomed and more Arab countries opened embassies here."
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/unstinting-support-for-israel-back-in-place/story-e6frg76f-1226727165855
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/unstinting-support-for-israel-back-in-place/story-e6frg76f-1226727165855

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 07:57 AM

Use it to prevent your settee from turning brown.

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Musket
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 07:53 AM

I have in my hand this piece of paper.

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 07:38 AM

Israel is a beacon of light, a source of democracy and an example to the world, Canadian Foreign Minister Rob Nicholson, on his first visit to Jerusalem, told President Reuven Rivlin on Wednesday (today).

He said he was delighted to be in Israel because he had been interested in the country since he was a kid and had always wanted to come.

Canada has taken a strong stance in support of the coalition and their is a continued presence of Canadian peace-keeping forces in the region, he said.

Canada has supported Israel in the past, does so in the present, and will continue to do so in the future, Nicholson assured Rivlin.

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 07:35 AM

"The enlargement of the European Union on 1st May 2004 has brought a historical shift for the
Union in political, geographic and economic terms. The EU and Israel are now closer together
than ever before and, as near neighbours, will reinforce their political and economic
interdependence. Enlargement offers the opportunity for the EU and Israel to develop an
increasingly close relationship, going beyond co-operation, to involve a significant measure of
economic integration and a deepening of political co-operation. The European Union and
Israel are determined to make use of this occasion to enhance their relations and to promote
stability, security and well-being. The approach is founded on partnership, joint ownership
and differentiation. It will contribute to the further development of our strategic partnership.
The European Neighbourhood Policy of the European Union sets ambitious objectives based
on commitments to shared values and effective implementation of the political, economic,
social and institutional actions agreed to in this Action Plan."

"The EU and Israel share the common values of democracy, respect for human rights and the
rule of law and basic freedoms. Both parties are committed to the struggle against all form of
anti-Semitism, racism and xenophobia. Historically and culturally, there exist great natural
affinity and common heritage. Thus, we strive to build bridges and networks.
Israel has a functioning market economy and a well developed public administration and
public services. This foundation makes Israel well placed to further develop its relationship
with the EU including in the framework of the ENP."
http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2006/march/tradoc_127722.pdf

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 07:26 AM

Human Rights Watch israel-palestine

But I do have the reservation that HRW sometimes spread their criticism wider than the instances warrant - tarring too many people, or aspects of a regime, with the same brush.

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 07:13 AM

Where have they supports#ed what Israel has recently done - particularly the massace of civilians - silence is not support

Silence is the response when there is nothing to respond to Jim.

Decent democracies are not silent about war crimes, massacres and human rights abuses.
They denounce them whenever and wherever they happen.
That happens not to be Israel, hence the silence.

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 07:08 AM

particularly the massace of civilians

There was no such thing. One can guess at what motivates you to spread such lies. The blood of every single civilian death in Gaza in squarely on the hands of Hamas. WHY DID HAMAS START A WAR WITH ISRAEL? No one has yet answered that question which has been asked many times.

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Ed T
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 05:48 AM

Canada's government response to the residential school report-note Canada is in a pre-election phase.


Government response 

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 05:23 AM

"fond of ignoring what Einstein had to say and continue to claim that to criticise Israel is 'Antisemitic'"
.,.,
A bit disingenuous, Jim. You sound as if you think there is only one way of criticising Israel, the one which self-questioning Jews like Einstein & me adopt in our disappointment with the way it has turned out. But there are of course many other ways of criticising Israel -- including the one recognised by that UN committee all those years ago which consisted of disguising outright antisemitism as bona-fide criticism of Israel.

You know this. Don't pretend you don't.

≈M≈

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 05:17 AM

E but does not recognise Israel as having committed any.
Likewise all the other democracies"
Where have they supports#ed what Israel has recently done - particularly the massace of civilians - silence is not support
The "reality" is that no nation in the world has supported what Isreal has done - a few of the "decent" (seems to refer to nations on Israel's side) have stayed silent on the atrocities for various reasons, political and economic expediency being the main ones, but nobody has supported the actions of Israel other than the Yanks, with a record of its own human rights abuses as long as your arm.
You produced a list of so-called supporters of israel and were given a bundle of links to statements condemning their behaviour which you are appearing to indicate, do not exist.
The "warm and friendly relatons" you refer to are like tose of Britain and Saudi Arabia - attending a funeral to pay their respects to a despot while one of his victims is being administered 1,000 lashes for speaking out of turn.
Is that what your church describes as "decency?"
"On previous threads I quoted the government expressing support for Israel and I will find more if you like."
And you have been given statements by the Irish Government condemning Israel - antd you will find more.
Ireland helped formulate the U.N. document condemning Israel's settlement policy
Scandinavian countries have condemned Israel - some of your named "decent" countries.
Just like your "experts" and your "real historians" you are now inventing support from mythical "decent countries" ad attributing them with views they don't hold.
Even Cameron has condemned Isreal's behaviour for ***'* sake.
"can prove that he/she, or any of his/her forefathers had "worked" in the Mandated Territory"
Sounds like extremist rights-wing Zionism Terrytoon - the Arabs have too prove they have a right to their lands
Nice political ring to it Mandated territories, doncha think
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Musket
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 04:30 AM

Yeah.. We all supported Israeli bombing of civilians

zzzz

Good job we didn't really.. After all, if such wicked stances were coming from governments rather than Keith's over active imagination we'd all be buggered.

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 04:25 AM

Canada has not supported Israel's war crimes, it has simply refused to denounce them

Canada does denounce all war crimes, but does not recognise Israel as having committed any.
Likewise all the other democracies.

Of the countries mentioned, the only one to give actual support is the United States
No.
All the liberal democracies treat Israel as an equal and support it with warm and friendly relations.

You lied about Ireland supporting Isreal - Ireland has spoken out against the settlements and helped to formulate the motion condemning Israel in the U.N.
No I did not.
On previous threads I quoted the government expressing support for Israel and I will find more if you like.
I acknowledge that many countries do have an issue with the settlements.
That is all.

no-one has supported the massacre of civilians in Gaza, no one openly supports Israel's expansionist policies, it flirting with apartheid, its ethnic cleansing of nomads, it's religion-based claims for the atrocities it is carrying out...

No decent democracy has denounced such things.
They do not recognise them.

Musket, as usual nothing but unsupported assertions.
What I said was bollocks was your claims.
Your claims really were wrong.
That is the reality.

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Teribus
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 04:13 AM

"mass eviction of people from territory their ancestors have occupied for millennia"

Compile a list of those people Christmas and apply it to the area in question and you will find that the group that predominates is Jewish - you did after all introduce the timescale. However according to the criteria established by the UN In the period 1923 to 1948 any Arab who can prove that he/she, or any of his/her forefathers had "worked" in the Mandated Territory of Palestine for a period of at least eighteen MONTHS automatically qualified as having a "Right to Return" - the UN body and committee who set that little lot up however did not see fit to set any qualification for any "Right of Return" for any of the 800,000 Jews forcibly stripped of their possessions and deported from Arab countries where they had lived quite peacefully for centuries (If not millennia in some cases). Never once have I ever heard you championing their cause Christmas.

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 03:45 AM

"And as Jim c is so fond of quoting Einstien"
BTW
There are those here extremely fond of ignoring what Einstein had to say and continue to claim that to criticise Israel is 'Antisemitic' - bit of a contradiction, don'tcha think?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 03:38 AM

"However such protests do not always represent the views of the majority."
And majority views do not always indicate a decision reasonably taken - certainly while the establishments around the world control, and often own the means where information is passed on for us to take those decisions.
The fact is that whatever people might think on any subject, it is invariably a small minority who care enough or be in the position to express their views on them - this has always been the case.
It would be totally ridiculous to assume that those who do not demonstrate are happy with the way things are, yet this argument is often used by them in charge as a claim that this is the case.
Only 35,000 of us poured into Grosvenor Square in 1968 to protest what we watched nightly in Vietnam - was this an indication that the people of Britain supported the off-loading of napalm and Agent Orange onto the heads of the Vietnamese people that we viewed on our television screens night after night - don't think so really - and demonstrations such as these on a global scale eventually helped force an end to the war (should be remembered that General Westmorland proposed that Vietnam should be "nuked back into the Stone age", and there were those who were happy to go along with him.
Mass demonstrations are a pretty accurate indication that something is 'rotten in the State of Denmark'.
" In the years I spent there I never once heard anyone refer to Israel as "terrorist" state."
I never once heard actions such as those carried out by Israel down the years - mass murder of refugees, civilians, including women and children, use of chemical and anti-personnel weapons, deliberate targeting of hospitals, schools, old people's homes, mass eviction of people from territory their ancestors have occupied for millennia to make room for a people claiming to have been "bequeathed it by God", forcible settlement of nomads onto toxic rubbish dumps, using chemical sprays and high pressure hoses...... as anything but the actions of a terrorist State.
Probably the most bizarre suggestion ever made by anyone is to claim that acts of terrorism are only such when recognised by politicians (in "decent" countries which have been known to commit such acts themselves) - and then to invent a list of countries supporting these acts.
You couldn't make it up (though Keith has)
Jim Carroll   
Not

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Musket
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 03:30 AM

Judging by actions not words.

See what happens when a bunch of Arab Israelis congregate in the name of healthy democracy.

Or Ethiopean Jews for that matter....

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 12:25 AM

Protesting the actions of ones government is the sign of a healthy democracy. It is not uncommon to see similar protests in London, Washington or Paris. However such protests do not always represent the views of the majority.
   In the years I spent there I never once heard anyone refer to Israel as "terrorist" state.
   I am glad you enjoyed your visit there but it does not appear to have enlightened you much.
And as Jim c is so fond of quoting Einstien I will follow suit; "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits ".

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Jun 15 - 12:22 AM

Meanwhile, back in North America:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/truth-and-reconciliation-commission-urges-canada-to-confront-cultural-genocide-of-residential-schools-1.3096229

Truth and Reconciliation Commission urges Canada to confront 'cultural genocide' of residential schools

Testimony from thousands of residential school survivors leads to 94 recommendations

CBC News Posted: Jun 02, 2015 10:58 AM ET Last Updated: Jun 02, 2015 4:38 PM ET

Canada needs to move from "apology to action" if reconciliation with Aboriginal Peoples is to succeed, the Truth and Reconciliation Commission says in its landmark report, which includes 94 recommendations for change in policies, programs and the "way we talk to, and about, each other."

The summary of the final report, released today after years of hearings and testimony from thousands of residential school survivors and many others, makes many bold and potentially costly recommendations — not just to the different levels of government, but to schools, societies, churches and aboriginal governments.

The goal is to repair the relationship between aboriginal people and the rest of Canada.

The recommendations include the creation of a National Centre and Council for Truth and Reconciliation and the drafting of new and revised legislation for education, child welfare and aboriginal languages.

CBC News previously reported some of the recommendations — including the implementation of the UN Declaration on Indigenous Peoples — during an interview with Justice Murray Sinclair, the head of the commission, on The National on Monday night.

The commission was launched with a mandate to explore the history and legacy of the residential school system, and the process has faced hurdles — including the replacement of commission members and battles with the government over documents.

Read the rest of the story at the link. They offer lots of links to related stories.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Musket
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 03:42 PM

Forgotmyhandle. You left it near your brain.

Palestinians are taught to hate whilst Israelis are taught to respect peace?

It must be a different Middle East I visit then. The one I visit has normal Israelis mounting demonstrations against their government's atrocities in their name whilst Palestinians are herded like cattle into low yield land with poor water supply.

That's the area I see with my own two eyes, not through biased media.

You are as bad as Keith. At least he calls reality bollocks so we can laugh at him.

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 02:57 PM

"hich is complete bollocks Musket."
The only bollocks here is your claim of Israeli support
Of the countries mentioned, the only one to give actual support is the United States - hardly a "decent" country as far as foreign policy is concerned.
That support is based on two factors - their plans for keeping their Middle East oil supplies secure are based on Israeli support.
The other is the fact that Israeli supporters in America are an extremely powerful and vocal force there and, should you cross them.
Canada has not supported Israel's war crimes, it has simply refused to denounce them
Apart from these, Israel has no support - even Obama choked on his bicci at the massacre that took place in Gaza.
You lied about Ireland supporting Isreal - Ireland has spoken out against the settlements and helped to formulate the motion condemning Israel in the U.N.
It remained neutral on Israel's being taken to the International War Crimes Court for the atrocities in Gaza, but due to pressure put by and influential Irisj Jewish minister, Leo Varadkar - even he hasn't been been able to muster support in the Dail.
Even if it were logical that war crimes aren't war crimes if "decent countries" don't spak out against them, your case is (once again) based on a tissue of lies and distortions.
no-one has supported the massacre of civilians in Gaza, no one openly supports Israel's expansionist policies, it flirting with apartheid, its ethnic cleansing of nomads, it's religion-based claims for the atrocities it is carrying out....
All the actions of a terrorist State, and the fact that they have nuclear arms (which they attempted to share with Apartheid South Africa) makes them the most dangerous terrorist state in the world
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 02:41 PM

Who was already in the 'promised land' drawing the milk and harvesting the honey ? Is their culture forgotten ?

I, the GUEST who asked, was thinking of "Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Hivites, and Jebusites" (thanks to Wikipedia). You know, Moses, burning bush etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 02:07 PM

It is good of you to post this. But history is not the strong point of this lot by and large. In fact they are woefully bad at it.

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 01:50 PM

Who was already in the 'promised land' drawing the milk and harvesting the honey ? Is their culture forgotten ?

Arab immigration to historic Palestine: a survey

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST,ForgotMyHandle
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 01:13 PM

Well, I knew this thread would eventually get to "The Jews." Convenient targets of persecution since...forever! About that--

How do any of you think any other country would deal with being surrounded by countries who have not even acknowledged that she exists, much less broken bread with her? And how have other countries dealt with threats that are nowhere near to being threats to their very existence, as it is with Israel??

Israel teaches her children to learn and to work for peace. Palestine teaches its children, starting before they learn to speak, to "kill the Jews." (Really, have you seen Palestinian textbooks??) Israel shoots at military targets and mourns the collateral deaths of non-combatants. Palestine aims at civilians and cheers louder the higher the number.

Anyway, it is "Burma," also known as "Myanmar," not the other way around. If you're a patriot, that is. And also,we can never possibly "repair" all the wrongs humans have done to each other. We can only start now to put peace at the core of our beings and cascade it out among our families, friends, neighbors, and elected officials.

And anyway anyway, I'm about to buy--at least I have put in an obscenely low bid--a guitar that I absolutely don't need, to keep the other 4 (or is it 7??) company. But it is so pretty. And the price, if it doesn't get bid up, is impossible to pass up. Somebody please help me, for I can not help meself. Yeesh!

OK, back to the thread drift, which I rudely interrupted...

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 01:03 PM

does not make you Israel's friend.

Or their enemies friend either of course.

It must be comforting to see things in black and white

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 12:28 PM

Or to put it another way, abstaining from supporting Israel's enemies, but not voting against them, does not make you their friend.

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 12:20 PM

I am beginning to lose track of who is supporting what line here. Keith links to a list from UN Watch ("UN Watch is a non-governmental organization based in Geneva whose mandate is to monitor the performance of the United Nations by the yardstick of its own Charter. )

That has an introduction to the list that includes The council has criticized Israel on 27 separate occasions, in resolutions that grant effective impunity to Hamas, Hezbollah and their state sponsors. Obsessed with condemning Israel, the Council in its first year failed to condemn human rights violations occurring in any of the world's 191 other countries. In its second year, the Council finally criticized one other country when it deplored the situation in Burma, but only after it censored out initial language containing the word "condemn." It even praised Sudan for its "cooperation."

In most cases where EU countries did not support the resolutions they abstained. That suggests distaste for a particular bandwagon rather than lack of criticism of Isreal.

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 11:46 AM

I wasn't far off when I said 45. I don't know the actual number on account of it increasing all the time.

These are UN HRC resolutions and most are not supported by EU countries.


You said
"Both The UK and Ireland, together with the rest of the civilised world (a quick way of saying except USA) support the resolutions."

which is complete bollocks Musket.

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Musket
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 11:25 AM

I wasn't far off when I said 45. I don't know the actual number on account of it increasing all the time.

EU isn't a nation, prat. United Nations. The clue is in the name. Like I said, UN, including the nations of The EU support censure of Israel.

Keep denying it. Keep finding propoganda on web pages. Meanwhile, before writing this I checked the UN own's webpage for the data. It's amazing how figures are twisted eh?

What is it Keith? Support of military styled governments? Hatred of Muslims? If Palestine are them, Israel must therefore be us? Israelis look more western?

Why are you ruining whatever you see as your credibility to call reality a set of lies? What do I make up? I don't know much more than you to be honest and as most of it is second hand, it could be wrong, some of it. UN data could disguise something different. But get this. You don't know that any more than I do.

In the '30s we called it appeasement. I see the pattern now.

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 10:43 AM

Some of your supporters for Israel

EUROPE

EUROPE AGAIN

And Again

IRELAND

SCANDINAVIA

THe US (with its enviable record on Human Rights!!) is the only country to come out in support of Israel
Even Britain has condemned her atrocities - that takes some doing
You are making it up
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 10:41 AM

Learn to read your own drivel, Keith. You said:

Any reference to Israel as a "rogue state" as Musket claimed, or a "terrorist state" as Jim claimed?

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Teribus
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 10:41 AM

Greg F. - 02 Jun 15 - 09:14 AM

"OK, T-Bird, lets try another two"

Wazzup Greg? - didn't the first two work then? Or is it only Arabs that are allowed to have "Occupied Territories" (e.g: Egypt - Gaza from 1948 until 1967 & Jordan - West Bank from 1948 until 1967) And GregF not only did the Egyptians and Jordanians take that land by force and occupy it illegally for damn near twenty years - they even had the brass-neck to shut Arab Palestinians up in refugee camps on their own land. Where are the refugee camps for the 800,000 Jews who were forcibly deported from Arab countries and who fled to Israel - There are of course no such camps - the Israelis allowed all refugees the right to fully assimilate and integrate as Israeli citizens.

Last elections held in Israel were when Greg? How many different political parties were represented? How many Israeli Arab candidates stood?

Last elections held by either the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank or by Hamas in Gaza were when? How many different political parties were represented? How many Jewish, Christian or other non-Muslim candidates stood?

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 10:24 AM

Thanks Greg.
I am glad I did not put Bolivia on my list of Western liberal democracies.

The other link relates to Jewish terrorist groups' activities before Israel came into existence.

Here is the final paragraph,
"The other moral, however, is that Israel only exists because of the ability of Jews to defend themselves with force. The British could be driven out of Palestine because they had a home to go back to; but the Israelis have nowhere else to go, and so they can never give up fighting. If this is true, then the struggle which began in the 1920s is destined to go on until the Jews convince the Arabs that they are in Israel to stay. (This was the view Jabotinsky advanced in his famous essay "The Iron Wall," more than 90 years ago.) Whichever you believe, it's clear that the future of the Jewish state depends on the correct interpretation of the story Hoffman tells in Anonymous Soldiers."

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 10:07 AM

Bolivia declares Israel a 'terrorist state'
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/07/30/bolivia-israel-terrorist-state/13384989/

Israel: The Original Terrorist State
http://tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/books/189264/israel-original-terrorist-state

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 09:57 AM

Thanks Guest.
Those are all related to settlements which I acknowledged is an issue with EU.
Was Musket right to say "Israel however are ignoring 45 UN resolutions to this day. Both The UK and Ireland, together with the rest of the civilised world (a quick way of saying except USA) support the resolutions. " ?

No.
He was making stuff up.
There are more than 45 now, and EU countries support very few.
Just those relating to settlements.

Any reference to Israel as a "rogue state" as Musket claimed, or a "terrorist state" as Jim claimed?

No.
They were making stuff up.

Anything about massacres or war crimes?
No.
They were making stuff up.

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 09:40 AM

Who was already in the 'promised land' drawing the milk and harvesting the honey ? Is their culture forgotten ?