BS: Edward Heath -what's point?

Subject: RE: BS: Edward Heath -what's point?
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Aug 15 - 11:37 AM

Al you are missing something, Heath was elected to represent the voters of Bexley AND Sidcup not represent and further German interests, which it is alleged he was doing since 1937, he was allegedly being blackmailed by the Germans

Subject: RE: BS: Edward Heath -what's point?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Aug 15 - 09:15 AM

"In fairness Jim I think Selby was implying that an investigation could prove his innocence and exonerate Ted Heath"
I have no opinion one way or the other on Heath's guilt Raggy; what concerns me is the cover ups that have taken and are are continuing to take place.
I see they are now considering to request Greville Janner's presence in his enquiry
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Edward Heath -what's point?
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 07 Aug 15 - 07:48 AM

In fairness Jim I think Selby was implying that an investigation could prove his innocence and exonerate Ted Heath

Subject: RE: BS: Edward Heath -what's point?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Aug 15 - 07:42 AM

"Ted Heath is innocent."
Then why bother with and investigation - let's just try those who ignored the complaints
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Edward Heath -what's point?
From: GUEST,Selby
Date: 07 Aug 15 - 07:02 AM

It should be investigated for all as previously stated, but there is also the other reason for investigation and that is Ted Heath is innocent.

Subject: RE: BS: Edward Heath -what's point?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Aug 15 - 05:52 AM

"well if you really think all that went on."
Not the point Al - what you or I believe is immaterial, the accusation has been made and should be investigated.
Even if there are no grounds for it, it is obvious that when it was first made it was ignored - that is certainly a cause for investigation.
Personally, I found Heath the least offensive of a thoughtfully offensive mob - nowhere near in the same league as Death's-Head-Danny Home or Mad Maggie, but for the sake of the alleged victims and for future reference to police behaviour in such matters, an inquiry is necessary so such covering up, still rampant, should be nipped in the bud.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Edward Heath -what's point?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Aug 15 - 05:27 AM

well if you really think all that went on.

i've got to admit i saw him more as a bit of a twat than an evil genius. i wouldn't have been surprised if he'd been messing about with the cabin boy. there was some talk of it at the time.

but lets say you're right. he did all those things. very naught man - should go down in history as a bit of a stinker.

however weigh that with what we KNOW the security services got up in the Spycatcher revelations. completely subverting democratic process.

it doesn't really compute. those bastards, who saddled us with the Thatcher government should have been exposed and arraigned. it never happened.

even if Heath killed all these kids -its a fucking misdemeanour in comparison.

face it! the powers that be will never be called to account.
Watergate type scandal will never happen in England.
of all the things that Tony Blair failed to do, this was the worse. he never sorted out these shadowwy figures - the so called puppet masters.

Subject: RE: BS: Edward Heath -what's point?
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Aug 15 - 02:52 AM

well said, Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: Edward Heath -what's point?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Aug 15 - 08:39 PM

Two points here
Ted Heath may be dead, but his alleged victims are not, so if there is any chance that the accusations have any validity, they need to be investigated, to give them some sort of closure, at the very least.
More generally, this is not the first time that similar accusations have been made against prominent figures, politicians included and have been ignored or covered up Greville Janner springs to mind, but there are others.
There are groups of people in our society who believe their position places them above the law - on occasion, the guardians of the law have confirmed that belief.
The most appalling aspect of the Jimmy Savile affair was not that he was a serial rapist and paedophile, but that so many peole were aware of the accusations against him and did nothing to prevent him, so he continued.
The situation was similar with mass rapist priest, Brendan Smythe
The final count of his victims will probably never be known, but it is estimated at around 150 victims.   
Those who help cover up these crimes should be treated as accomplices and punished as such (in the case of Smythe, some are now Senior churchmen.
That's the point Al
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Edward Heath -what's point?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Aug 15 - 07:35 PM

And the moon landing never happened and 911 was a put-up job...

Subject: RE: BS: Edward Heath -what's point?
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Aug 15 - 06:40 PM

Very Important, it appears Heath my have been blackmailed by the Germans from 1937 onwards, So for a long time he was represnting their interests, which could possibly explain his very pro european attitude. then their is the enigma of JERSEY, missing boys whose bodies were never found, could they have been dumped at sea? and then Heaths connections with Saville, was Saville procuring underage boys from Jersey for Heath? Jersey was under German control during WW2, BUT when the Nazis left what happened to german financial banking in jersey?, it gets curiouser ans curiouser.
Heath was a disgrace and possibly an accessory to murder and was representing not his constituents but possibly German financial interests

Subject: RE: BS: Edward Heath -what's point?
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 06 Aug 15 - 05:33 PM

Is it any surprise that his name would be dragged up too? No.

Subject: RE: BS: Edward Heath -what's point?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Aug 15 - 01:53 PM

it was an age when it was legal to take a stick and beat a child. something many teachers, parents, borstal staff, headmaster, special schools derived terrific fun from.

teatime entertainment on tv was Mr Quelch giving Billy Bunter a good hiding - how we laughed!

what next? are we doing a searching enquiry into if tyrannosaurus rex bit the the other dinosaurs with those teeth.

Subject: RE: BS: Edward Heath -what's point?
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Aug 15 - 12:30 PM

Maybe big costs will encourage the politicians to do to lawyers and the court system what they have done to teachers+schools and doctors+NHS. I am not holding my breath for that though.

Subject: RE: BS: Edward Heath -what's point?
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Aug 15 - 12:00 PM

.... but there's got to be ways of stopping the costs of all these inquiries spiralling into the multi millions...???

Subject: RE: BS: Edward Heath -what's point?
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Aug 15 - 11:39 AM

Since those days 'safeguarding' of children and vulnerable adults has been hugely tightended up, including (maybe especially) in anything where responsibilities over 'duty of care' cascade down through and from government departments.

I wonder if that was spurred on by people who knew what was going on and couldn't fight the establishment but could change the law.

I find the Tim Fortescue interview mind boggling. That it was said to camera, not that it happened.

The more of those sort of goings on that are investigated and made public the harder it will be for it to happen in the future. Anything made public but not investigated increases the chances that people will think they can get away with it.

Post Jimmy Saville the courts are apparently snowed under with cases and people in the professions that get called as witnesses are having trouble doing their routine work. But still I think it needs to be done.

IMO, that's the point.

Subject: RE: BS: Edward Heath -what's point?
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 06 Aug 15 - 11:22 AM

last I read, the brothel keeper denied having anything to do with him , and knew of no involvement by ted heath, but I seem to remember that her apparent earlier statement cum plea bargaining, was central to the case. maybe I missed something.

Subject: RE: BS: Edward Heath -what's point?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Aug 15 - 09:47 AM

Well I for one think that the rape and murder of 12 year olds is a bad thing, and that it should be extirpated not covered up.

Subject: RE: BS: Edward Heath -what's point?
From: mayomick
Date: 06 Aug 15 - 07:46 AM

a bit cloudy this morning but having a lovely time in Broadstairs, wish you were here...Ted

Subject: BS: Edward Heath -what's the point?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Aug 15 - 07:17 AM

answers on a postcard?
I thought this government were short of money...