Lyr Req: Dog and Gun / Golden Glove

Subject: Dog and Gun -- another version?
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 02 Dec 99 - 09:19 PM

On a now-lost tape I made from the radio a dozen years ago was a version of the song "DOG AND GUN" which is different from this one that's in the DT. It's the same story, about a woman who dressed as a man to snare the one she wanted instead of the one she was supposed to marry. But the words and the tune were different.
Does anyone know the other version, and who sang it? It was a male singer, in the tenor range. The first verse was something like:

A wealthy young squire in Downforth(?) did dwell
He courted a lady and he loved her right well
The day was appointed for their wedding day
And a farmer was appointed to give the bride away

As a bonus, here is a final verse I added on:

But what of the squire, what's happened to him?
He lost his true love, and things looked rather grim
But things in stories work out as they seldom do in life
For the farmer had a sister, who became the squire's wife

Aloha,
Mark Cohen

Subject: RE: Dog and Gun -- another version?
From:
Date: 02 Dec 99 - 09:50 PM

It's Laws N20, (The Golden Glove) and Laws lists about a dozen versions. See also in The Traditional Ballad Index from Mudcat's links.

Subject: RE: Dog and Gun -- another version?
From: Nogs
Date: 24 Dec 99 - 02:40 AM

The singer you are referring to, Mark, is Tony Barrand (I believe). This song was on one of the albums he did with John Roberts, though I dont remember which one. If you would like an exact reference, drop me a line ([e-mail])

Subject: RE: Dog and Gun -- another version?
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 24 Dec 99 - 05:31 PM

Thanks, Nogs. It may be Tony, but as I recall the tape I had, the singer had a higher and softer voice than my recollection of Tony's. Of course, the last time I heard John and Tony was around 1980 at Penn's Landing in Philadelphia, and my memory is getting fuzzier by the day. I'll try the links that were suggested and see if I can pinpoint the version I heard. Hope you're staying warm in Rochester!

Aloha,
Mark

Subject: RE: Dog and Gun -- another version?
From: Riggy
Date: 24 Dec 99 - 08:46 PM

Hi Mark ! Chris Foster sang it about Tamworth. I think this is the version you heard. RiGGy

Subject: RE: Dog and Gun -- Golden Glove
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Apr 03 - 02:19 PM

Looks like there are a number of versions of this song that we haven't explored. Here's the entry from the Traditional Ballad Index. I guess this isn't the same song as "Mountain Stream." Maybe we need a different thread for that one.
-Joe Offer-

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Golden Glove, The (Dog and Gun) [Laws N20]

DESCRIPTION: A lady is to be married, but finds she prefers the farmer who is to give her away. She pleads illness and calls off the wedding. She claims she has lost a glove (which she placed on the farmer's land) and will marry whoever finds it. The rest is obvious
AUTHOR: unknown
EARLIEST DATE: 1830
KEYWORDS: clothes courting marriage trick
FOUND IN: Britain(England,Scotland) US(Ap,MW,NE,SE,So) Canada(Mar) Ireland
REFERENCES (12 citations):
Laws N20, "The Golden Glove (Dog and Gun)"
Belden, pp. 229-231, "Dog and Gun (The Golden Glove)" (1 text plus 2 extracts and fragments of 2 more, 1 tune)
Randolph 71, "With Her Dog and Gun" (2 texts, 1 tune)
Eddy 64, "Dog and Gun" (2 texts)
BrownII 197, "Dog and Gun" (1 text plus mention of 1 more)
Hudson 43, pp. 158-159, "The Golden Glove" (1 text, lacking the beginning explaining the reason for the lady's behavior)
Wyman-Brockway I, p. 49, "The Lady and the Glove" (1 text, 1 tune)
Warner 145, "The Golden Glove (or, The Dog and the Gun)" (1 text, 1 tune)
SHenry H524, p. 328, "The Squire's Bride" (1 text, 1 (non-traditional) tune)
JHCox 121, "Dog and Gun" (1 text plus mention of 4 more, 1 tune -- but for one of the unprinted texts!)
Creighton/Senior, pp. 147-150, "The Dog and the Gun" (2 texts, 1 tune)
DT 332, DOGGUN*
ALTERNATE TITLES:
The Squire
The Rich Esquire
File: LN20

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"Golden Glove" is #166 in the first volume of Greig-Duncan. A number of versions there. I'll get to posting some later.

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Where the Moorcocks Grow (The Mountain Stream; With My Dog and Gun)

DESCRIPTION: The singer sets out "with my dog and gun o'er the blooming heather." He meets a girl, and begs her to marry him, offering to give up roving if she does. She decides to wait "another season," both to test his love and to gain her parent's consent

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See this thread (click) for Mountain Stream/Moorcocks.