BS: The New World Order

Subject: BS: The New World Order
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Sep 15 - 09:26 AM

Refugee Crisis in Syria Raises Fears in South Carolina

By RICHARD FAUSSET SEPT. 25, 2015

DUNCAN, S.C. — The worried citizens gathered in the high school cafeteria, about 200 strong. Patriotic songs played on the stereo, a man in a blue blazer from the John Birch Society hovered by a well-stocked literature table, and Lauren L. Martel, a lawyer from Hilton Head, told the crowd that 25 Syrian refugees were already living among them.

"The U.N. calls it 'refugee resettlement' — the Muslims call it hijra, migration," said another speaker, Jim McMillan, a local businessman. "They don't plan to assimilate, they don't plan to take on our culture. They plan to change the way of American life."

Evan Mulch, the field coordinator for the John Birch Society, told the crowd the resettlements were "part of the New World Order game plan."

The United States, Ms. Martel said, is "a Judeo-Christian nation."

"We are not a Muslim nation, and those two things cannot coexist," she added.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/26/us/refugee-crisis-in-syria-raises-fears-in-south-carolina.html?_r=0

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: GUEST,#
Date: 26 Sep 15 - 11:02 AM

Fear sells, especially to uninformed people.

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: Stu
Date: 26 Sep 15 - 11:04 AM

"The United States, Ms. Martel said, is "a Judeo-Christian nation."

Not to the people you stole it off it isn't.

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Sep 15 - 11:11 AM

Not to the people you stole it off it isn't.

You mean not to the people your people stole it off.

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: Stu
Date: 26 Sep 15 - 11:38 AM

"You mean not to the people your people stole it off."

Nope, I meant what I said.

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Sep 15 - 11:39 AM

Oddly enough No GUEST 11:11 AM - "WE" generally lived up to and honoured our treaty obligations, the "colonists" through greed and their perceived "need" to expand didn't (It was one of the prime motivators used to sell the American War of Independence - To enable the "colonists" once independent to break the Treaty reached with the North American natives after the Wilderness/Frontier War in 1754). Elsewhere the newly independent "colonists" took land from the Spaniards and bought land from the French (They also had a couple of half-assed attempts at stealing more land from us - but they didn't get anywhere with the venture)

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Sep 15 - 01:50 PM

Gosh, for a moment I thought the thread was going to be about the international bankers who control both parties, and corrupted the political systems of the industrialized nations, both parties, and were deceiving the populous, with phony 'news', by the media that they own as well...oh never mind, they own your ideologies, too!

There's no business like show business!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Sep 15 - 04:26 PM

Well, a couple of generations ago for these people it'd have been "a Christian nation", with the Jews very much part of the assault on the way of American life. Now it's "a Judeo-Christian nation", so I suppose it's an advance of sorts. (Where do the Mormons fit in here? In some ways, as followers of a latter day prophet and revelation, there position is fairly analogous to Muslims.)

But seeing the mass flight of desperate refugees from the Syrian holocaust as a kind of underhand bid to take over other countries - you really have some sick sick people in America. Well, we all have, but ours are generally a bit more embarassed about it.

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Sep 15 - 04:49 PM

you really have some sick sick people in America.

And more of 'em every day. They're a Republican Growth Industry! Just listen to the clown car full of Republican idiots vying for the presedential nomination.

See - it ain't always "the Brits" criticising the U.S. There are home grown folks who are tired unto death of the moronocracy who wear dumb as a badge of honor.

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Sep 15 - 06:01 PM

Trouble is, the issues are rarely as simple as some people believe they are.
It would be nice if accepting all the poor people from Eastern Europe, or Middle Eastern war zones, would SOLVE the problem, but we all know in our hearts that it wont.
Demonising those who recognise and tell the truth is not a good idea.

If Islamic State continues to expand, and borders are not closed in Europe we will be faced by countless millions of economic migrants/refugees....are you all prepared to stick your heads in the sand till that happens?
Our people are already protesting about our decrepit infrastructure, our health service, housing problems, the price of further education, public transport. benefits being crushed with no worthwhile employment available to take their place.

Do we really need more bodies? we were partially responsible for rise of Islamic Fundamentalism by crushing the people who kept them down, but at some point it would have happened in any case. They see Western values as debauched and perverted, they see Western society as greedy, wasteful and Godless.

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Sep 15 - 06:26 PM

Demonising those who recognise and tell the truth is not a good idea.

The fucking TRUTH??? Jesus wept. I didn't know the John Birch Society had chapters in the UK. Apparently brain death is all the rage in Blighty.

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Sep 15 - 06:45 PM

Nowadays on U.S. talk radio programs, "New World Order" seems to be a buzzword to describe a takeover of the world by godless, totalitarian liberals in black U.N. helicopters led by a Kenyan-born, Muslim Commander in Chief. My mother-in-law was addicted to talk radio shows until she died a couple years ago at the age of 98, and she's often fret about the "New World Order" that they talked about on the radio.

Wikipedia says the term has benign origins, particularly in its use by Woodrow Wilson to describe the hope for the future League of Nations after World War I.

How it became a Conspiracy theory, is hard for me to understand.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Sep 15 - 06:59 PM

The problem is... one half-truth plus one more half-truth do not add up to one full truth.

Ignorant people take a selection of information, (chosen according to various fears & prejudices,) season it with slogans & guesses, stir in various bits of hyperbolé, boil it with the lid on without testing it for flavor, and serve it up way too hot as "Truth Soup". Then they tell everyone how bad it tastes.

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Sep 15 - 07:00 PM

Joe, you need to read Charles Pierce's " Idiot America: How Stupidity Became a Virtue in the Land of the Free".

And then of course there's just good old-fashioned racist xenophobia, stoked by the current crop of Republician morons.

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Sep 15 - 07:43 PM

I'll put that one on my list, Greg. Sounds like a good read. I ordered a copy.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Sep 15 - 09:55 PM

Yup. Again.

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Sep 15 - 02:56 AM

don't tell me that accepting untold numbers of migrants or refugees can solve this problem.
These problems must be tackled in-situ.......it looks an impossible challenge, but there is no other way.
Do we have the guts or the right to stop IS?

If we want to protect the values which have made us obscenely rich, selfish and Godless in the eyes of the Eastern world, then we have no alternative......but are our values the right values, taking into account the future of humanity and the planet?

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: GUEST,LynnH
Date: 27 Sep 15 - 03:40 AM

......and don't forget that a Republican president, along with a british prime minister are primarily responsible for the middle east disaster area and the growth of IS.

The syrians are fleeing from the merciless and indiscriminate bombings carried out by 'president'Assad and his army, as well as, in the case of young men, dodging the draft into said army. Familiar to you in the USA? As long as they can see no future for their familieas and themselves they will head for anywhere that vaguely looks like a promised land.

Tackling the problems on the spot means properly funding the UNHCR so that it can do its' job, talking countries like Turkey into actually giving syrians refugee status and also persuading them to stop bombarding the PKK since they the only really effective oppostion to IS.

Then again, we shouldn't forget that some palestinians have been living in refugee camps for 70 years..................

What's the inscription on the statue of liberty?

Lynn

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Sep 15 - 03:45 AM

Why leave out Mrs Clinton, the heroine of Libya?

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Sep 15 - 10:24 AM

What's the inscription on the statue of liberty?

According to the late Lou Reed, its

"Give us you're tired, your poor;
Piss on 'em."

And unfortunately, of late, that's just about right.

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 27 Sep 15 - 05:27 PM

"some palestinians have been living in refugee camps for 70 years"
.,,.
A disgrace to the countries in which these camps are situated. Refugees have poured into Israel from Europe, Asia, Africa ---- and not one has spent any time in any sort of refugee camp.

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Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Sep 15 - 05:44 PM

A disgrace to the countries in which these camps are situated
Like the occupied territories controlled by the Israeli government, you mean??

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: Stu
Date: 28 Sep 15 - 03:47 AM

Bilderberg.

That's it, right there.

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: Stu
Date: 28 Sep 15 - 03:58 AM

Bilderber. That's it, right there. Here's an example of how this works: http://nicholaswilson.com/bbc-bilderberg-and-hsbc-secrets-and-lies/

"in Europe we will be faced by countless millions of economic migrants/refugees"

Ake, they're coming anyway and it's been known a long time that they they're on their way. Islamic State is a sideshow compared to the consequences faced by countless millions in the face of climate change, which we could stop and choose not to. People are going to be fighting over resources and the poor are going to have to migrate to survive. Are we going to deny them the chance of life? Would you see them suffer and die as we look away from a global disaster we actively and enthusiastically contributed to?

Both ISIS and climate change are a product of the actions of the western capitalist powers; we started the industrial revolution in the UK and the US and other belligerent capitalist nations propagated the conflict in the middle east and then acted without any moral constraint; they still do.

Everyone has to pay the reaper eventually.

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Sep 15 - 08:28 AM

Have to agree with most of that Stu, but bringing tens of millions here will not solve anything....the global warming problem will have to be addressed by a world government and we are far away from that.

So long as humanity is motivated by financial aspiration development cannot be stopped...how can we, the developed West, say to the poorer nations that they cannot have the living standards which apply here?

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: Stu
Date: 28 Sep 15 - 11:18 AM

"but bringing tens of millions here will not solve anything"

I'm not suggesting we bring them, simply that they are going to come.

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: GUEST,Jan Sobieski
Date: 28 Sep 15 - 01:49 PM

IS have threatened to infiltrate thousands of their followers into Europe within the so-called refugees. Islam is the most intolerant cult around - try being a Christian (or, worse, a homosexual), in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. "jihad" = struggle, "Mein Kampf" = my struggle, and that is not the only similarity between Islam and Nazism. What is it about "totalitarian" that you do not understand?

By all means let us offer sanctuary to the Coptic Christians and other non-Muslims who are being murdered and persecuted by Islamists throughout the Muslim world, but no more followers of the illiterate misogynist paedophile "prophet", please. Otherwise our children and grandchildren will be paying jizya within 30 years.

Why are the Muslim "refugees" not heading for the Gulf states, Pakistan or Bangladesh? I wonder.

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Sep 15 - 02:27 PM

"These problems must be tackled in-situ."
The "in-situ" situation, if David Cameron gets his way, is that Assad - the man who oversaw the massacre of his people over decades - will remain in power.
The extremist regimes Jan mentioned are Britain's allies and customers for their weapons - a 'safe pair of hands' as far as the west is concerned.
"A disgrace to the countries in which these camps are situated"
No Mike - a world disgrace, particularly those nations who have propped up terrorist regimes and despotic monarchs.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Sep 15 - 08:02 PM

Deeply shocked, Terribilis. Surely you as a defender of the old-world UK colonialist order know that "half-arsed" is so spelt.

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Sep 15 - 08:05 PM

try being a Christian, in Saudi Arabia

Conversely, try being a Muslim in the United states.......

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Sep 15 - 04:26 AM

No freedom of religion in Saudi.
No churches.
No comparison with USA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Saudi_Arabia

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Sep 15 - 04:42 AM

Jim,
"A disgrace to the countries in which these camps are situated"
No Mike - a world disgrace,

No Jim.
Their host countries should have assimilated them, but chose not to.
Israel assimilated far more refugees in their tiny sliver of land, and there were literally millions of refugees in Europe at the same time, all settled.

The countries in which these camps are situated forced them all to stay in the camps to the present day with refugee status passed down through the generations.
That has happened to no other refugees in the world.
It does disgrace those "host" nations.

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 29 Sep 15 - 05:50 AM

Thanks for support, Keith. You take my point precisely. GregF & Jim, re your replies to my last post: just please to remember what, proverbially, two blacks do not make.

Best

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Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: Teribus
Date: 29 Sep 15 - 05:55 AM

Ah Bridge - I have long known that you are pay no great respect to attention to detail - odd considering your profession.

As the further attempts to invade Canada were made by the newly independent Americans - half-assed IS the correct term and is the correct spelling.

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Sep 15 - 06:02 AM

"two blacks do not make."
Quite -
The fact that the wealthy west behave as do the poorer third world towards refugees makes one no better than the other - you are the one who chose to point the finger.
The former payed and is still playing a great part in creating the refugee crisis, yet, when faced with the consequences of their behaviour - "no room at this particular inn - go back to where you've come from".
here is no reason at all either to expect or demand that the Arab countries should take them in - the people of those countries are as much victims of Western behaviour as are the Assad's victims - and we are now actively supporting the Syrian mass-murderer and demanding he be left in control of the people he has massacred.
Some time ago, when I suggested that the West should intervene to stop the killing in Homs, I was called "a fascist", yet we have a government now actively fighting on Assad's side and claiming that any peace deal has to leave him in charge - let's here it for Cameron's fascism - I don't think!!.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 29 Sep 15 - 06:03 AM

...ie, you don't make something any the less disgraceful simply by citing other things of which you disapprove. A foolish tactic, unworthy of the intelligences of such as Jim -- and even, ???, of Greg!

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 29 Sep 15 - 06:09 AM

you are the one who chose to point the finger
,..,.

I reiterate, the fact that other things might also be ☜ ☞worthy doesn't make this particular manifestation of fingerpointworthiness any the less so; & I reiterate that it is an attemptedly deflectory tactic, unworthy of your intelligence, Jim, to urge that it does.

Regards
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Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Sep 15 - 07:02 AM

Not saying one is more or less to blame than the other as far as the treatment of refugees are concerned - I'll leave that to you and yours
I am saying that to the West (and Israel) bears responsibility for the exodus of human beings from their homes and it their responsibility to assist the refugees and stop supporting the despots.
None of you and yours seem to want to address that fact.
http://ardc-israel.org/en/content/refugees-israel
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Sep 15 - 07:24 AM

ISRAEL'S REFUGEES
MORE
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Sep 15 - 08:13 AM

Jim,
and we are now actively supporting the Syrian mass-murderer and demanding he be left in control of the people he has massacred.

"We" are not.
Russia and Iran are.

Guardian last week,
"British ministers keep repeating the mantra that Assad is part of the problem, not part of the solution. "

"For Britain and its western allies to continue to insist that Assad must go would simply ensure that no negotiated settlement is ever reached."
Avi Shlaim is author of The Iron Wall: Israel and the Arab World
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/23/cameron-assad-defeat-isis-syria

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 29 Sep 15 - 08:32 AM

"I'll leave that to you and yours" ...

Leave what to me and my what, precisely, Jim? I fear it sounds to me oddly like another, somewhat inarticulate, instance of that antisemitism of yours: you think you're not but you are, as I have demonstrated before. You become confused and inarticulate [as here], and then turn defensive and abusive when it is pointed out. You also contrive to sound both rude and aggressive. If you can't dispute in civil fashion then I shall have nothing further to say to you.

Those links you provide appear to have been published in Israel by an internal Jewish-Israeli organisation of some kind. Can you just see any Islamic state anywhere around allowing such internal dissent?

And if you think of denouncing this by your favourite R word, which you fall back on when desperate, forget it, or you will only make yourself look sillier.

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Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Sep 15 - 09:20 AM

"We" are not.
Russia and Iran are."
Yes we - in the form of Prime Minister, David Cameron bloody well are.
CAMERON'S U-TURN
The argument being put forward is that "it is only for the short term, but we know damn well that, given his murderous track record and Russia's backing, he will remain in power, will never be put on trial for his crimes against humanity and continue his 'disappearing' and torture of his opponents.
This whole bloody mess started because of the West's failure to act on Assad's atrocities, and leaving him where he is will only ensure that he continues where he hasn't really left off.
Pointing the finger at Russia avoids the fact that Britain has done SFA about Assad - not even to show disapproval by confiscating his British-held property when it might have made a difference.
" instance of that antisemitism of yours"
It is - by definition - antisemitic to link Israel's behaviour with that of the Jewish people as a whole - a definition you have been happy to wave in my face in the past.
Your accusation is Antisemitic (you may not believe it is, but it is) - you have joined the squalids in your argument - shame on you!!
You continue to make my point - one is no better than the other in this affair
"Rude - uncivil - defensive - inarticulate - desperate - even sillier" - you are the one using these abusive terms (as is your usual practice) - not me.
C'mon Mike - you're better than that (or so I used to believe)
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Sep 15 - 09:24 AM

And neither of you has responded to Israel's treatment of refugees - but there again, you wouldn't - would you?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 29 Sep 15 - 10:03 AM

We do know that being anti Israel is not automatically anti semetic, however, it is a good place for anti semites to hide. I have often wondered why you seem to turn so many threads into anti Israel rants.You seem to be obsessed.

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Sep 15 - 10:29 AM

"however, it is a good place for anti semites to hide"
We also know that those who support Israel's atrocity and terrorism are quick enough to crouch behind the dead of Auschwitz to defend their support for the Israeli right-wing regime.
Not so long ago, a petition from Holocaust survivors and their relatives, was published, condemning the slaughter in Gaza last year.
A few years ago, six ex-directors of Mossad were filmed (The Gatekeepers) describing their duties while in office - one very pointedly, stopped himself from comparing the present Israeli regime to that of the Nazis.
Some of the most stringent criticism of Israel's behaviour (including accusations of ethnic cleansing and Apartheid) has come from within Israel.
Anti Semites all, no doubt
One of the common features of those who defend Israel is the total failure to respond to its behaviour - rather, the easy way out is to accuse critics of Antisemitism - a truely cowardly short-cut - and Antisemitic by a definition accepted world-wide.
"why you seem to turn so many threads into anti Israel rants"
Wonder no further - because I believe the Israeli regime has betrayed the Jewish people in making Israel the most dangerous reactionary power in the Middle-East, if not the world.
How do you fancy responding to the accusations rather than joining the mob - no - I thought not!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 29 Sep 15 - 11:15 AM

I can't say too often that Israel is not what we [elderly Jews] all hoped for in our youth [& you can call that 'lipservice' in your usual o-so-charmingly evasive way if it gives you any satisfaction, Jim; but for all your overweening conceit you can't see into my head!].

But to rubricate it as "the most dangerous reactionary power in the Middle-East, if not the world" -- a Middle East that contains adulteress-stoning, blasphemer-hanging, liberal-blogger-flogging Arab states without number, while the world contains -- don't know where to begin! -- Taleban? China?? -- is the statement of one eaten up by an irrational obsessive hatred. And you have the all-fire gall to say you expected better of me!

You should be ashamed, Jim Carroll. But I don't expect for a moment that you are, you hidebound monomaniac, you!

Luvya just the same in an odd sort of way; we have much memory to share. But...

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Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 29 Sep 15 - 11:21 AM

I should have said "Muslim" or "Islamic" rather than "Arab" states. No Arabs in N Nigeria (where they cane 15-year-old girls on the bare bottom in public for dressing inappropriately), Malaysia &c ...... It's not a racial, but an ethical and ideological, thing.

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 29 Sep 15 - 11:26 AM

'No -- not just for 'dressing inappropriately': for having the carelessness to be raped, so becoming 'impure' thru premarital sex ... Lovely rational people, eh, innit?

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Sep 15 - 11:48 AM

Jim, your claim was based on a reported quote from one "unnamed government source."
Since then Cameron has continued to demand that Assad be removed, as has Obama and all Western leaders.

Your claim, "we are now actively supporting the Syrian mass-murderer and demanding he be left in control of the people he has massacred." is entirely false!

The supporters of Assad are Russia, Iran and China, not the West.

the West's failure to act on Assad's atrocities, and leaving him where he is will only ensure that he continues where he hasn't really left off.
Obama and Cameron wanted to launch reprisal raids against Assad, but the British left defeated the move.
Meanwhile Russia has a huge military presence in Syria.

Subject: RE: BS: The New World Order
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Sep 15 - 12:01 PM

An arse is an arse wherever it is. If one is speaking English. Much like Terribilis. In the first case if not the second.

Nigeria is a complex "state" formed by colonialists out of the areas occupied by at least three tribes (predominantly the Yoruba, the Igbo, and the Hausa). Not all parts even of Northern Nigeria impliment the more unislamic parts of Sharia law, and its prevalence is more aligned with religion than region. Regrettably, both Xtianity and Islam are invasive weeds in Nigeria and much of West Africa, where, in general, traditional animist beliefs have more to recommend them - although I did have a bit of a row outside an IFA meeting on Sunday with an ordinarily pleasant rational and scientifically-minded chap who was seeking to assert that humans were seeded here by aliens and that the historical record supported this by proving the ancient existence of giants. The absence of all religions and spiritual belief systems would be a major improvement in the world.