BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Dec 15 - 08:04 AM

and your alternative to a global coalition would be, Gilly?

I take that you agree that ISIS must be contained, or do you believe in letting the virus spread unhindered?

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: gillymor
Date: 17 Dec 15 - 07:38 AM

Guest of 06:31 A.M. your boy proposes an alliance with 2 murderous thugs in Putin and Assad in order to perpetuate a war that no one has any sane idea how to prosecute other than sending more young people into a meat grinder. It's only natural that decent people have a strong reaction to his lack of humanity on this and other issues around here where he bumptiously puts forth his reactionary, inhumane views with mind-numbing regularity. As Harry Truman, the old cold warrior said, if you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Dec 15 - 07:35 AM

Thank you for your kind and reasoned post GUEST.....some people can see no further than their fixed ideology, it is set in stone and defended with sword and fire......any deviation from it is regarded as treason.

The amazing thing is that many of these people boast of their educational qualifications, whilst never exhibiting any vestige of rationality.

I have almost no formal education, but I question everything especially my views on controversial subjects.
There are some fine and knowlegible people on this forum, but few of them are from the area of liberalism which demands complete authority over thought and speech.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Mr Red
Date: 17 Dec 15 - 06:31 AM

Trump (UK lexicon) does pass all too easily, and leaves a nasty smell.

When the littlest Bush declared his candidacy attempt, who thought: "It can't get much worse!" ?

But then history should have taught us - look at Berlusconi. What with all the other things going on, the world appears to be going to hell in a hand cart, and look who's pushing it!

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Dec 15 - 06:31 AM

This thread is a sad sad thing. I hate Trump as much as anyone else on here, but the way you people act is just so ironic. You call akenaton dumb and close-minded for wanting to do certain things, yet you fail to realise the close-mindedness of refusing to even entertain the idea. It's just sad how viciously and aggressively you people have to attack others. Do you think this makes your points look better, or makes their points look worse? I'm just curious what good you think you're doing by behaving like a 12 year old caught cheating.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Dec 15 - 05:14 AM

Of course the problem is, this is not an "ordinary" war.

ISIS are a major threat to the world, more powerful in a way than Fascism......I have always been anti war#, but to allow this ideology of murder and persecution to thrive and spread is not an option.

I think many of our values are wrong, our economic system corrupt, our sense of morality debauched, but I could never support people who wish to dominate through fear and oppression.
Society must be changed through example and education.....in the case of ISIS, this would never apply.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Dec 15 - 03:03 AM

Better make it extra-strong tinfoil

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Dec 15 - 12:16 AM

What size do you wear??...after all, what I posted is true...and on video. Do you prefer leaders to be liars and lie to you?????....unless, of course, you believe the lies....then you think they are wonderful!!

What you WANT to believe, does not mean the lie is any truer...it just means that you are the exact gullible fool that the liar is targeting.
Have a wonderful delusion!


GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Dec 15 - 11:42 PM

Pass the tinfoil please

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Dec 15 - 10:14 PM

Guest#: "I suggest that we no longer go to war unless the children of politicos lead us into battle."

Chelsea Clinton leading the battle on the front lines????????

...after all, her mom voted for the war in Iraq....then promoted the lie about the YouTube video, as the cause for the Benghazi consulate being attacked...lied in front of Congress about it as well....Oh well...

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST,#
Date: 16 Dec 15 - 09:55 PM

Last post was me.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Dec 15 - 09:46 PM

No one wins friends by dropping bombs on them. None of us would like it and guess what, neither do those who receive the ordnance. Either commit to a task and stop posturing for the general public, or go fight the fucking thing yourself.

Politicians and bankers make lotsa money when wars happen. Does anyone here think there are altruistic reasons for war? Are they worth the lives of our children, of the poverty they bring upon us? Keriste, gimme it a rest. That notion is what the various media sell, and how did we become so stupid as to buy it?

Simply refuse to play the game. Various people here bring forth their platitudes and staunchly defend them. They bring up histories that no longer matter. Sorry bucko, but you be talkin' to the wrong guy. You support war, have at it. Go take care of it in person.

I suggest that we no longer go to war unless the children of politicos lead us into battle. It may not be a solution, but it may define the lines that delineate why we fight and the willingness we think someone else's kid should have. Until then, no thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 16 Dec 15 - 09:44 PM

Cruz Passes Trump?

I didn't know there was a laxative strong enough to allow one to pass Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Dec 15 - 04:19 PM

Current reports here in the UK are Trump 41% Cruz 14%. Funny sort of passing.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Dec 15 - 03:03 PM

"If you wage jihad against us you're signing your death warrant" --Ted Cruz.

Gee Turd, I bet that struck fear into the hearts of those passionate jihadists who believe so devoutly in their cause they're willing to blow themselves up if they can take a few infidels with them.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST,#
Date: 16 Dec 15 - 02:55 PM

The beauty of all this is that billionaires are spending lots of money to get Republicans elected and the American people aren't going to vote for them in sufficient numbers so they can win the election.

Keep your eyes on the prize.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: gillymor
Date: 16 Dec 15 - 02:39 PM

Another item for Cruz' litany of shame.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 16 Dec 15 - 02:08 PM

Akenaton says that marrying someone you love is extremely dangerous and should not be promoted by governments.

Fair comment. I assume his parents loved each other and look what that produced.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Dec 15 - 02:07 PM

Jim, I do not know anything about Mr Trumps views on homosexuality or racism. I was referring to his views on foreign policy

I have never once, to my knowledge used "gay plague" in any post, please correct me if I am wrong.   You have used it many times.

The fact that there is an epidemic of STD amongst male homosexuals is a matter of record, I have suggested ways of alleviating that situation......what have you done, other than bury your fat head in the sand?

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Dec 15 - 01:21 PM

We wonder why the Trumps, Hitlers and Paisleys get or got popular support. Then we read the shocking posts above.

Mudcat might be about free speech, whatever that is. But it really shouldn't allow propagation of hatred.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Dec 15 - 01:07 PM

"I don't support Mr Trump's economic policies"
Just his racism and homophobia - isn't that enough?
" that to oppose "gay marriage" equates to hatred of all homosexuals?"
It does in your case - you've show that often enough with your "gay plague" approach to the subject
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Dec 15 - 07:11 AM

It never posts anything homophobic does it Joe?

JOE!! Joe Offer!!! Are you still saying it never posts anything homophobic? Or racist? Or bigoted in any way?

Sick puppy

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Mr Red
Date: 16 Dec 15 - 05:50 AM

Fer chries sakes.

Bombing is what ISIS/Da'ish want. But cutting-off their revenue is not exactly "nothing" nor is it "misguided". You could, instead, try a world wide ban on the sale of antiquities that have no provenance, or ban fund raising in Muslim communities, or go after the scam merchants and do a lot of collateral damage, not the least to relations. But how ya gonna execute those?

Corner them metaphorically and they have to break cover metaphorically. They will make mistakes and be more visible - cyberphorically.

FOLLOW THE MONEY - but do it effectively.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Dec 15 - 04:15 AM

Acme, your rather dubious link seems to assert that people who point out the dangers of IF hate all Muslims?

That is rather like the worn out epithet frequently used here, that to oppose "gay marriage" equates to hatred of all homosexuals?

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Dec 15 - 03:56 AM

I don't support Mr Trump's economic policies and realise that he is probably using the problem to further his political ambitions Acme.

However, to ignore the situation which is developing in most Western countries regarding Islamic Fundamentalism, is political idiocy.
Ignoring these people is no longer an option, why on earth do you think the major Western powers are at last wakening up to the problem?

It looks on the cards that global coalition is going to be formed to at least mount a holding operation and to interject that there is no problem to begin with is extremely foolish.

Since you mention it, my views on homosexual "marriage" have not changed, I still think that the figures prove that male homosexual practice is extremely dangerous and should not be PROMOTED by any government.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 16 Dec 15 - 03:01 AM

Wise words indeed Acme.

Out of interest, Carter didn't cancel the visa of a single Muslim any more than he cancelled the visa a of single {insert any sports team} fan. He took action against a country that declared its opposition to The USA and its citizens were caught up in that.

To try to twist that to some crusade bullshit means you watch too much Murdoch inspired tv. Worse still, you appear incapable of judging it. I would say beware what you watch but in your case I'd say beware gay Muslims who live in caravans.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Dec 15 - 12:30 AM

Acme: " And ignore the nonsense that GfS spouts. That is all."

Yeah!...because it's the truth, and Acme doesn't want any part of it!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 07:26 PM

Wounded British Soldier Shuts Up Anti Muslim Racists with Epic Message

Read this, Ake, and reflect. Please. The bulwark you have erected against compassionate acceptance of Muslims from around the world (today) and gay marriage (in the past - and I know I will regret bringing this up) are fossil remnants of world that I don't think you'd really enjoy living in. Love your neighbors, and give them the same respect and rights you have. And ignore the nonsense that GfS spouts. That is all.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 05:38 PM

"Cruz has this faux-earnestness etched into his countenance at all times that comes off as insincere when he's talking about political ideals. He should just own the whole image and don some sort of sparkly televangelist gaudy suit and conduct his speeches with a Bible in one hand and a crucifix in the other. All of these candidates will probably reiterate how hard they've had it growing up and how it made them into the sleazy politicians they are today in the next GOP debate on Tuesday."

...and in Hillary's book, 'Hard Choices' she was damn near destitute when she left the White House. She said she could barely afford her 25 houses....poor thing. Let's vote for her because she has led you to believe that she's one of you....
..but then, if she was a Republican...or even a man, you'd all be up in arms, whining!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 05:09 PM

Nothing new in my remarks concerning Muslim immigrants, didn't President Carter cancel the visas of Iranian citizens in the early eighties? I think they call it protecting your people?

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 05:02 PM

Bill, creating division amongst those who want to contain ISIS is not a very smart policy.

The US have been bombing for months and the territory controlled by ISIS continued to expand. Bombing alone is ineffective without ground troops......Assad has the only uniformed army in the conflict, fighting for their country. Can we not admit we were wrong and throw our weight behind his troops? They are apparently making significant progress.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 04:18 PM

Well said Guest of 0327 Mudcat time.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 03:33 PM

He is well qualified to address your final point.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 03:31 PM

LOLOL..Dan, I'm sure you'll get the Lord's approval for messing with stupidity.   
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" how to deal with ISIS.....The Obama crowd don't seem to have a clue"

Ake... there IS no simple way to deal with those who hide among the innocents and often don't care if they die. Air strikes at their bases and munitions is about the only obvious thing. They WANT us to send ground troops so they can kill Americans.... and at least some of them think they are 'destined' to win a Holy War. How do you "get a clue" to cope with misguided insanity?

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 03:27 PM

When Akenaton says steps should be taken regarding Muslim immigration across the western world, he does not speak for a single UK citizen and I am embarrassed to see such awful comments published by someone with the same access to education and privilege as me.

His support for terrorism equals that of Trump and ISIS, who are trying to divide a wedge between people based on their religion.

Sickening. Truly sickening. We expect better over here and incitement to hatred is thankfully a criminal offence.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: olddude
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 01:18 PM

The poll lady asked me why I like trump and I said, 'he will build a wall and protect us from those Mexicans and Muslims and other foreign people'

Dear lord, I apoligize for playing the dumbass red neck, to the poll lady. It did make me laugh though.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: olddude
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 01:00 PM

And lord, I apoligize for fibbin to that poll takin lady. And apoligize for fibbin that I am sorry for fibbin to that poll takin lady

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: olddude
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 12:55 PM

Agree completely my brother. I alsowwonder how accurate the polls are. One called me and I said Trump is my man Lol

Wonder how manyoother people did that to mess with them. We want him to be picked so they can lose big

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST,#
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 12:10 PM

The Democrats will have to invite Bernie Sanders in from the cold, but that aside, the Republicans stand no chance this election. The world is changing, I think for the better. Americans are not a stupid people although there are some ya gotta wonder about. The key issue will be getting young/new voters off their derrières and to the polls. I think Canada has led the way on this (and that's not nationalism talking). We got so POed at the press that we said "ef it" and voted our consciences. The result was an overthrow of the Conservatives who tried the attack-ad style of campaigning they were coached on by Republican shills and failed because of it. People are tired of news media's manipulation, and until the Republicans see that they will be relegated to second-party status. But, once again, getting out the vote is crucial. If y'all can do that I think the GOP will be lucky to get 45% of the vote, and that will be a first for quite some time.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 11:57 AM

Well I was confining myself to Mr Trumps views on how to deal with ISIS.....The Obama crowd don't seem to have a clue ....Wont join a coalition with Russia, Wont use Assad's troops, support the people who are fighting Assad, even tho' they are also killing the Kurds.
Surely they cant make the same mistake three times in a row

The US is being left behind...They never expected Putin to take control, they backed the wrong horse and now don't know how to get of out of the saddle.

I also agree with him that steps must be taken to sort out the problem of Muslim immigration, not just in the US, but all over the "developed" world.

and what on earth has the guy's haircut got to do with foreign policy?

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 11:37 AM

I still think the American people are smarter than that

Obviously about 30% of Republicans aren't Dan. And that in itself is pretty scary.

Add the 25% supporting that jackass Rubio and it gets scarier still.

Then throw in the 10%-12% still supporting Dr. Batshit Crazy.

The Republican Party has degenerated into a loose collection of morons.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 10:58 AM

If he stands for the Republican ticket, they lose. If he goes independent and splits their vote, they lose.

I hope you haven't thrown out all those dinner place cards with President Clinton written on them. They will come in handy again soon.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: olddude
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 10:35 AM

He is reality show entertainment. I still think the American people are smarter than that, I hope. He doesn't have a prayer of winning and if he makes it to the candidate, he will sink the Republican party and they know it.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 10:34 AM

I've just read a newspaper article regarding the fear that US Muslims live in now that Trump has rather publicly made hate and discrimination popular again.

The Las Vegas surgeon who wonders why Trump is doing the work of the terrorists makes grim reading. (BBC News website.)

By the way, the person above saying Trump makes sense also claims, depending on the weather, that he is himself a communist, member of the liberal leaning Scottish party in government that has just disassociated itself with Trump's business dealings in Scotland, oh and to be fair, his views on equality are in a place that even Trump hasn't sunk down to, just yet.

Luckily, he doesn't get to vote in a country he only sees on the telly.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 09:14 AM

Trump says stuff that many people want to hear... and 'some' of the things he says are superficially ...ummmm.... 'interesting'... like "talking tough to Putin"... or "building a fence along the Mexican border"... or "bombing Isis into oblivion"...or a dozen other things.

The problem is, most of what he promises are either illegal, impossible or already being done! He has NO... I repeat.. NO real, practical plan to do them. He is simply blustering on topics that play to fear and prejudice. He has no concept of the process of actual running a government---- you do not 'rule by decree'.

If he were, by some magic, to get elected, he would spend most of his time explaining how..."we are working on that" and butting heads with Congress and constitutional scholars.

Trump is a loud-mouthed bully...... you can sometimes make a lot of money being one, but being a diplomat and a leader in a democracy requires a different mind-set.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: gillymor
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 08:59 AM

Trump's no dummy, he's carved himself out a constituency of racists and xenophobes that's got him out ahead in the GOP polls. If these people were voting in the Nielsen ratings he'd do just fine but his fear-mongering alienates far more voters than it appeals to. It also seems that a good portion of his supporters rarely vote.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 07:38 AM

Just watched Mr Trump, (who I know very little about, other than he is very unpopular on Mudcat).

He was discussing Syria with some TV talking head and making LOTS of sense. He seemed to appreciate the position Russia is taking regarding the Assad regime and the need to work with them if ISIS is to be pushed back.....they will never be defeated outright.

People here cast him as a dummy, but in the interview he spoke more hard common sense than I have heard from any mainstream politician in years.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Mr Red
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 04:17 AM

Brown jello?

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: olddude
Date: 14 Dec 15 - 07:57 PM

Bill, it's all jello plain and simple. That's the strongest swear word I know

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Dec 15 - 07:37 PM

To answer the first question: "What kind of a circus... is being paraded in front of... "

It's a Republican clown special. They no longer breed candidates who understand issues and diplomacy... they pick wannabes who can spout the slogan-of-the-day without totally tripping over their own tongues and changing the line to suit the supposed situation. In the meantime, they take pot-shots at each other in a sort of disorganized circular firing squad.

Why? Because the demographics are shifting so that they no longer have safe majorities in many places without voter suppression and Gerrymandering districts. They are pinning their 'hopes' on riding guns, abortions, religion (and anti- Islam) and the idea of not allowing Obama to pass anything, then accusing him of 'failure' while they lie about what he HAS done.

What is going on is pure desperation to get ONE Republican elected so they can pack the court(s) and pass extreme legislation to allow keeping power, even with a minority of the popular vote. IF they don't win, each wants all the publicity they can get to get them cushy 'jobs' in the private sector, or as lobbyists. None of them seem to care about anything except trashing each other and any Democrat who looks halfway competent.

Somewhere there are a few old-style Repubs who are shaking their head sadly and laying low... hoping that the circular firing squad hits a few.......