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Subject: BS: Once more into the comic breach
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Dec 15 - 02:42 PM

Boom! What was THAT? Oh that was a big bang which is energy simply seeking equilibrium like water seeking its ultimate level of rest.

Everything that could be split in two and beyond did split including space itself.

This turbulent expression of everything being created from a big bang in a dualistic 'mirror like' explosion is called mirror symmetry which is one of several factions of string theory. The contradictions that arise from string theory may be due to an unrecognized property of space that is mistakenly viewed as 9, 10 or 11 dimensions of space, when actually only two mirrored aspects of space exist in different ways from different perspectives.

The type of space we can easily imagine is volumetric space that stretches and bends. Harder to picture is its counterpart I call anti space or space prime which is fixed in its nature to touch and surround every point of volumetric space simultaneously, without the dimension of volume, time or distance. This concept came to me from the ongoing contradiction of spooky action at a distance and the ability to entangle one or a million atoms at once by forcing them into one form of space or anti space.

To mentally picture volumetric space we simply use a wire frame graphic. Around large amounts of mass we see the bending of wire frame space lines bent most powerfully around and into black holes. The stretching volumetric space outside of the areas where space is being sucked away into zero volumetric space, black holes, stretches all the remaining space outside of black holes slightly in balancing response. This stretching of space increases the volume of inter galactic space only slightly as more space is absorbed into more and more black holes it will appear like accelerating expansion to an outside observer. This is an answer to the mystery we have been calling dark energy.

Explaining these concepts as a dyslexic person has seemed as difficult as when Faraday declared that all radiation is electromagnetic be it normal light or cosmic rays. It sounded too crazy to believe light was like magnetic waves. It took a Maxwell to show that Faraday was right in his lifetime. While I am not likely to be as lucky as Faraday I still see a more elegant universe that the mysterious quantum dice game ol' Al felt was too complicated, while still correct, to be the best perspective to see and understand our obviously united cosmos.

The ramifications of adding a new view of space also answers the curious contradictions of how and why inflation happened. It was not the hypothetical brief expression of anti gravity but rather the collapse of space just after its creation near the eeriest exploding singularity, stretching the new fabric of space outside the original singularity to its original and most powerful phenomenal proportions. Mentally picture early space squirting out a little bit when half of it gets sucked back in and the poof the remaining space expands radically in its attempt to balance itself out VOILA expansion. Notice that the expansion of space would not create the gravity waves predicted by others.

There may also grow from this simple but gigantic theory new means of understanding time control and gravity but one good idea is all this nobody can manage.




PS its Kipling's Birthday today

His one good idea was Jungle Book.


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the comic breach
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Dec 15 - 07:21 PM

thanks mods, I love your sense of spelling humor and co-copulation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jan 16 - 08:40 AM

pondering what an anti-space environment would be:   
I concluded Anti-space and Anti-time go hand in hand and would be paradoxical. The way I perceive it, in an anti space/time environment distances between objects would be non existent. Without the dimension of distance time would also cease to exist. If one could build an anti space/time device and survive. One could enter the device and as I mentioned earlier be at every point in the past, present and future in the entire Universe simultaneously. Creating a paradox. However normal space time a similar paradox in the simultaneous existence of past present an future. It all depends on speed distance and direction.

Virtual particles emanating from each form of space should be identical.



btw

In a web search I found that Edgar Allen Poe had a hand in cosmology.
Apparently he solved a paradox contained in a poem with a proof of his making.


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: Mr Red
Date: 02 Jan 16 - 11:36 AM

I don't have enough space (or time) in my brain to understand this!


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 02 Jan 16 - 01:18 PM

Capacity notwithstanding
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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 03 Jan 16 - 11:13 AM

I assume, Donuel, that you're planning to do a full mathematical treatment of this and then to write it up and send it to an appropriate, peer reviewed, scientific journal?


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 04 Jan 16 - 04:20 AM

I can't ...

Oh, well, nemmine. But I did long since start a thread which ran'n'ran called 'What went Big Bang?"

≈M≈


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link
Date: 04 Jan 16 - 03:22 PM

And never got an answer , it just.......fizzled out !


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Jan 16 - 11:01 AM

I am half-way thru this book... Alpha & Omega

It was published in 2002, I think, and only mentions the planning of the Large Hadron Collider.... but I have never seen a book which better outlines the study of the ideas..

". It is a survey of historic and contemporary efforts at cosmology: to describe the universe, trace the universe back to its origins, including the Big Bang Theory, and to determine the universe's eventual end-state."

He does as well as possible putting the ideas into a form that people who are not physicists, cosmologists & mathematicians can comprehend.
No doubt there are details which are not 'quite' in line with current thinking, but most of it lays out all the concepts that govern the basis of the Standard Model


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jan 16 - 12:03 PM

As I said I would welcome a Maxwell to elucidate further for linear mathematic minds to see. Meanwhile you can watch the animation inside your eyelids.

Picture this; The early universe expanded quickly relative to it's quantum size and then speeded up right after the mysterious Inflation stage making a baseball the size of Andromeda in ten seconds which I have explained with unique insights regarding space absorption back into the bulk of gravitational mass after the Higgs was formed, then remaining space expanded and actually slowed a bit. Now the Quasar black holes of enormous proportions began to pull in the volumetric space as in the early universe leading to the distant volume of space to expand slowly at first. We have made the measurements!

Forget about time estimations in the early universe because time is under construction. And time is duality once formed.

Within the most recent 5 billion years that slow expansion has begun to accelerate faster as more black holes suck up more space in ever increasing numbers.

This only sounds difficult to understand. Like music some of us can just play and the rest have to work and practice and fret.

This new view answers the questions about inflation, dark energy and quantum entanglement. The big questions were unanswerable because we were right for the wrong reasons for a long time (100 years) h!


Besides, a mirror form of space which can not be seen with impossible dimensions for our brain to see until you realize anti space is a bit like our thoughts invisible but powerful.

The future of our history will have a dividing line between the old and new regarding true space understanding like Relativity did long ago. Our obsession with time will become an ethical question of meddling or not much like our genetic breakthrough ethical questions that now abound with our new found knowledge.

Yes there is a dark side. If you thought atomic bombs were a threat, space bombs would explode beyond just Earth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jan 16 - 03:53 PM

As for dark matter, recent measurements show there isn't as much as we thought. Its not that dark matter is missing but that there is only a little amount of slowed down condensed neutrino clouds after (in ratio) a billion and one atoms of matter collided with 999 million atoms of anti matter. That little amount of gravitational left over neutrinos is equal to a bit more than all the remaining+ normal gravitational matter.

Matter won the cosmic RISK game, visibly speaking for us. Dark matter is just the by product of annihilation mostly into gamma rays and other radiation energy and then some neutrinos with gravitational properties after anti matter ran into matter. The unexposed unannihilated matter is what we see still left today making up all the galaxies of stars. Still regular matter will eventually get annihilated deep within a black hole.

This early matter antimatter event gave off more light glowing inside a near opaque universe than the ignition of stars one by one after the universe cooled enough for pre-stars to condense gas.

This is how my cosmic eye sees it minus the obstacle of words.

We are able to measure the rate of black hole formation and see how it correlates to space expansion rates. Once done, we will have proved half the theory of energetic space we have been unable to rectify up until then.

The other half of space theory   well...
The secrets of space prime dimension that touches all points at once may be proved on the quantum Plank scale. Perhaps with the explanation of the split beam experiment itself.


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: olddude
Date: 05 Jan 16 - 04:35 PM

An Italian mathematician proved at least two galaxies correspond to the gravity pull approach in regard to dark matter. I will always go with the math


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: olddude
Date: 05 Jan 16 - 05:17 PM

"A graviton is the particle we believe mediates gravitational force, just like a photon, the light particle, mediates electromagnetic force. While gravitons do not weigh anything at all, gravitinos may weigh a great deal. If nature is supersymmetric and gravitons exist, then gravitinos also exist. And vice versa. This is pure mathematics."


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jan 16 - 05:47 PM

There are multiple theories for a graviton.
Some think it is two gluons at its particle expression.
For its wave expression there are theories that it is just space curvature.

We are at an impasse in Physics and math that a new strange math may be required beyond what Feynman used to show sub atomic interactions.

Don't forget that before Einstein had the math < largely from others, he had to envision how gravity worked for a man in an imaginary box that was either accelerating or in the presence of a gravitational field such as a large planet curving space time. The mental picture led to general relativity. Then it led to the math.

Lets have some nerd fun...


Lets go somewhere strange like a black hole. We all know there is an outer boundary. Did you know there are two more boundaries?

A second boundary lies midway to the center of a black hole where forces balance the spinning centrifugal force and the gravity of the gravity above an below. There all the time before you went in is recorded in light layers before you went in from the past. Things slow down to light speed were all sorts of crazy things happen in the most violent field of energy. If there is a place where big bangs can be produced it is there. A place where baby universes are born.

The third is a boundary of balance an eye of the hurricane. Inside the inner horizon of a spinning black hole you can theoretically look aat the singularity, its over there in a ring. Its actual thickness is zero. It is the infinite curator of space time. It is like a spinning ring where time could suck you in and spit you out before you entered or stranger yet... I hesitate to say.


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: olddude
Date: 06 Jan 16 - 04:18 PM

I like krausse new theory of no black holes, it's pure logic since nothing can cross the radical location of the event horizon, a black hole and even its horizon cannot exist
The universe of God is far stranger than we even though


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: olddude
Date: 06 Jan 16 - 04:20 PM

Krauss sorry cell phone fingers


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: olddude
Date: 06 Jan 16 - 06:56 PM

So what does happen to massive stars when they die? Rather than falling ever inwards to create an infinitely dense point hidden behind a space-time "firewall" — something that, while fascinating to ponder and a staple of science fiction, has admittedly been notoriously tricky for scientists to reconcile with known physics — Mersini-Houghton suggests that they just "probably blow up." (Source)

According to the UNC article Mersini-Houghton's research "not only forces scientists to reimagine the fabric of space-time, but also rethink the origins of the universe."


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: olddude
Date: 06 Jan 16 - 07:00 PM

In a news article spotlighted by UNC the scenario suggested by Mersini-Houghton is briefly explained. Basically, when a massive star reaches the end of its life and collapses under its own gravity after blasting its outer layers into space — which is commonly thought to result in an ultra-dense point called a singularity surrounded by a light- and energy-trapping event horizon — it undergoes a period of intense outgoing radiation (the sort of which was famously deduced by Stephen Hawking.) This release of radiation is enough, Mersini-Houghton has calculated, to cause the collapsing star to lose too much mass to allow a singularity to form. No singularity means no event horizon… and no black hole.


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: olddude
Date: 06 Jan 16 - 07:32 PM

Maldacena, like most mainstream physicists, dismisses black hole denialism. The real way to make sense of all this black hole madness, he insists, is to address the underlying clashes between relativity and quantum physics. "A full theory of quantum gravity must resolve them," he emphasizes. And that is, perhaps, the ultimate paradox of black holes: They embody our very deepest scientific understanding of how the universe works, and yet in my any ways we do not understand them at all.

I love this statement


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 16 - 08:37 PM

To keep an open mind I am thinking that it will always appear to an observer well outside a black hole that an object speeding toward a black hole will appear to slow down and stop, LETS SAY WE PUT A SPERM WHALE HURTLING TOWARD AN EVENT HORIZON, it would go through the event horizon before being pulled like taffy into a string but to an outside observer it would never ever pass through.

How? Because only space can move faster than light and space time to the observer is being stopped as the whale reaches beyond the speed of light in a gravity well that slows time. Time slows as gravity increases.

The whale is of course destroyed into bits some time after crossing the event horizon. For a short while the whale seems to accelerate without being annihilated.

Just because an object looks like it stops before going in does not mean that there is no black hole or that the object does not go in along with the volume of spacetime. In reality it continues crossing the outside event horizon rushing toward the center of the hole.

When you study space time long enough you can see it twist speed up and do remarkable things that mass can not do.


btw Hawking radiation from virtual particle half pair escapes is too weak to see except in imagination.


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: olddude
Date: 07 Jan 16 - 12:00 AM

Yes but the new math models have a very impressive argument for their non existence. Way cool stuff.


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: olddude
Date: 07 Jan 16 - 12:08 AM

But now Mersini-Houghton describes an entirely new scenario. She and Hawking both agree that as a star collapses under its own gravity, it produces Hawking radiation. However, in her new work, Mersini-Houghton shows that by giving off this radiation, the star also sheds mass. So much so that as it shrinks it no longer has the density to become a black hole.

Before a black hole can form, the dying star swells one last time and then explodes. A singularity never forms and neither does an event horizon. The take home message of her work is clear: there is no such thing as a black hole.

The paper, which was recently submitted to ArXiv, an online repository of physics papers that is not peer-reviewed, offers exact numerical solutions to this problem and was done in collaboration with Harald Peiffer, an expert on numerical relativity at the University of Toronto
The math is not refutable, her model is precise so now we are left with some very interesting situation. We have little understanding of it all and calls into question also the singularity of a big bang. Now perhaps many big bangs or none. Great stuff actually


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: olddude
Date: 07 Jan 16 - 12:12 AM

Many physicists and astronomers believe that our universe originated from a singularity that began expanding with the Big Bang. However, if singularities do not exist, then physicists have to rethink their ideas of the Big Bang and whether it ever happened.

"Physicists have been trying to merge these two theories – Einstein's theory of gravity and quantum mechanics – for decades, but this scenario brings these two theories together, into harmony," said Mersini-Houghton. "And that's a big deal."


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 16 - 08:16 AM

I know mathematicians who believe the only reality is math and nothing exits except the function of math. I have seen math make fundamental mistakes and I have seen how people simply dismiss a real result of an infinity as being one thing, a mistake to be ignored.

Old Dude, how many times have you heard someone be technically correct but for all the wrong reasons?

Sometimes we can leave out a variable and the equation works fine.

Is it possible this is one of those situations with the new math?

Still lead me to a source of the new math experiments that impressed you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: olddude
Date: 07 Jan 16 - 09:32 AM

http://m.phys.org/news/2014-09-black-holes.html
Equasions link at bottom of the page


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: olddude
Date: 07 Jan 16 - 09:49 AM

http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2371


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: olddude
Date: 07 Jan 16 - 09:51 AM

You can download the full paper at the above link her math is solid


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: olddude
Date: 07 Jan 16 - 10:11 AM

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5885940
Now here is the real meat her first paper is on math now the proof of no black holes

Click on proof in this article to download her black hole paper


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: olddude
Date: 07 Jan 16 - 10:15 AM

A black hole is mathematically impossible


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: olddude
Date: 07 Jan 16 - 11:34 AM

Her math is solid, like anything else it would need observable proof so it is subject to debate. I like it however as it fits into a number of thingsiI been thinking about.


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 16 - 07:36 PM

Quasars and super massive black hoes exist and so do black holes.

IT IS THE CONTRADICTIONS AND IMPOSSIBILITIES THAT ARE OUR GREATEST CLUES TO MYSTERIES.

Forty years ago it was an impossibility that I witnessed that began my study. The study reminded me of my repetitive adolescent dreams that demonstrated infinity journeys and a universal duality of creation. Finding it hard to find a voice and slowly discovering dyslexic wiring that placed workable vision above words made the study of fields of energy a natural thing to do before there was animation and it has only grown stronger.


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: olddude
Date: 08 Jan 16 - 07:50 PM

Can't argue with math, look at her Equasions they are spot on. I have to agree with her.


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: olddude
Date: 08 Jan 16 - 07:55 PM

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/01/140127-black-hole-stephen-hawking-firewall-space-astronomy/

Do you believe stephen Hawking


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 16 - 07:56 PM

Apollo to mission control
It seems we're in sight of our goal
But this reading of g
Seems excessive to me
I think we are near a black


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: olddude
Date: 08 Jan 16 - 07:57 PM

Lol I fell through years ago steve


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: olddude
Date: 08 Jan 16 - 08:10 PM

My theory goes like this, the star does not collapse on itself leaving a hole, like her the math doesn't add up, however she isn't accounting for the immense gravity pull that appears in this region. I believe the exploding star tears the fabric of space itself along dimensional lines. We know space is multi-dimensional or speculate it is. I think the tear is not a hole as speculated but a tear in the dimension itself.. Now to get the math right is another matter entirely.


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: olddude
Date: 08 Jan 16 - 08:30 PM

Not a hole but a bulge in space, Dans theory :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: olddude
Date: 08 Jan 16 - 08:57 PM

Not a worm hole either, a complete new dimension, another universe. It would also explain the firewall.


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 10:17 AM

For 50 years it has been obvious to many that the possibility that a black hole could emerge as a white hole elsewhere as it creates its own new space time bubble just as the big ban did.

If space is torn it speaks more of a state change than a bump or rip.

A black hole radiates neutrinos. Out the pole it can radiate gamma ray bursts.

Neutrinos are believed to be compressible up to a point which they will compress no more. They may be the stuff in which all matter reduces that does not turn directly back to gamma ray energy.

The seed of new universes.

Ya know, There exists math that proves the trickle down theory is good for the poor.


"you can't argue with math" is not a scientific principle.

Like my field dualities and strings I CAN BE WRONG as easily as the hundreds of millions spent on detecting polarized gravity waves from the big bang which is now highly scrutinized that it may in fact not be proof of INFLATION as described by its author. But the math got them the money to build the telescope at the south pole and pay many salaries.

YOU MAY SAY THAT FIGURES DONT LIE BUT I say LIARS CAN FIGURE.


Most important I will need time to study what your sources are talking about if I can understand them at all.


Until you can see space moving faster than light you may never see what I am about.


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: olddude
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 02:12 PM

Nope not a state change a bubble of new multi dimensional universe. Math is where it's at don and the approach you talked about is wormhole for state changes. Great thing is the nature of the universe is so strange that we both are wrong or right. We think in 3d, however I believe it to be far more complex. I do understand neutrinos by the way pretty well


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 03:50 PM

Olddude, if its Mersini-Houghton you are talking about, the equations are complicated. I am assuming that you are referring to her Paper II, which is only on arXiv, and not published in a peer-reviewed journal (seems to indicate trouble with a referee). If you can tell that her maths are solid, you are a far better mathematician than me. We are talking here about sets of coupled partial differential equations, and tensor algebra. Seriously difficult stuff.

But the equations are not the problem, the problem is solving them. It seems that there is not an analytical solution, so the treatment is to solve them numerically using a finite difference code (Appendix A of that paper). And as with any problem involving hydrodynamics, even in the absence of relativity, there is the issue of the boundary conditions.

It seems that Mersini-Houghton is pretty open about the uncertainties in the solutions. But that uncertainty, discussed in the full paper, does not come across on the summaries on the UNC website for instance.

So I would say, interesting stuff, but lets wait for (1) acceptance in a peer-reviewed journal, and (2) analysis by other scientists, before reading too much into it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 04:07 PM

Finding common ground or even a common language is the difficulty at hand.
Yes we think in 3d but we can also think in 4d with only a little effort..
The only way to perceive 5 or more dimensions is indeed with math.

I contend that there are only 2 basic dimensions with upper harmonics of minor dimensions.

Rotate length and height 90 degrees off center and you have the third dimension.
Compensate with space time and you get 4 dimensions.


A bubble of new dimensional space time is a fine way of looking at a black hole. The shocking statement that there are no black holes is a kind of cosmological polemic meant to gain attention but harms understanding.

This a beautiful cosmic model that is about 10 years old check it out


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: olddude
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 04:35 PM

Dave that is the paper difficult yes but seriously fun. Take a look again my friend. Good stuff


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: olddude
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 04:37 PM

Well said don and fun stuff to play with


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: olddude
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 04:47 PM

Dave she should have had the paper peer reviewed. I am just an old x college professor that likes physics. The professionals should render a proper opinion as I am an amateur.


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 06:00 PM

The 2 D model of the universe is a holographic model in which more dimensions are projected from a distance. It implies that all the information of the stuff drawn into a black hole is stored on the surface of the black hole.

There is something half right about this theory but aren't they all about half right?

If Garrett Lisi (sub atomic formations in 8 dimensions) is half right he has in turn predicted there are higgs like bosons that will never interact in our dimension but do a good job on the mass of dark matter which is purely my interpretation and not his.

I won't continue this shot gun method of introducing many different speculations but if nothing else, something may stick to the proverbial cosmic wall.


Old Dude

It is my most sincere wish that you can see the notions I have been voicing that offer a solution as to what dark matter is and most importantly what is causing the accelerating EXPANSION of this universe.


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: olddude
Date: 09 Jan 16 - 06:06 PM

I do don and don't disagree, gives me something to think about


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 10 Jan 16 - 04:28 AM

Olddude, what I suspect, but don't know, is that the paper has been submitted for peer-review about a year and a half ago, and there is an ongoing disagreement between the referee(s) and author, with probably the journal editor mediating, about whether the paper is fit for publication.


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: olddude
Date: 10 Jan 16 - 11:15 AM

I didn't know that dave thank you


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Subject: RE: BS: Once more into the cosmic breach
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 11:49 AM

Guest Dave, under this name I am unable to PM.

As with any professional, Social media poses an unfortunate risk among peers. Anything from mocking credibility to losing a grant proposal is possible.

In case my idea has not been explicit let me elucidate and then please contact me.

My idea is that phenomena today could naturally happen in the past.
When black holes today increase in their number and rates of absorbing matter and space we could reason it happened in the past in some fashion. At the early moments of the big bang when Energy and spacetime burst forth there could have been a sufficient amount of spacetime that reached a critical distance as not to be drawn back into what amounted to a gargantuan black hole immediately after most of the energy had expanded into primordial universe. While the still dense energy expanded into the immediate space time around the great density much the nearby space time was pulled back into the density of energy just as space behaves around current day black holes.

The amount of energy and density of the early universe was inconceivably larger than what we can see today.

And here is the idea; The spacetime that was far enough away and did not get sucked into the early density still sought an equilibrium and expanded to colossal size around the primordial universe. Suddenly a little bit of space time became huge. This is what we perceive today as Inflation. As you can speculate this kind of inflation does not even need to give off gravity waves. The gravity did not change only space did.

What we see today as dark energy is a function of space to the ever more black holes being created and doing what they do (sucking up space leaving distant space to expand).

Ergo that is why space is now accelerating which it did not do 9   billion years ago as measurements have shown.

When the universe was only 5 billion years old it was nearly a steady state universe.

This theory of inflation is as good for the early universe as it does today.
Other existing theories of inflation have to invent a temporary anti gravity phenomena we can't measure today.


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