BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump

Subject: BS: Sarah Palin
From: olddude
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 05:14 PM

Just endorse trump

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 05:28 PM

Although I do not agree with much he says, if Berni beats Mrs Clinton for the Democratic nomination and Mr Trump gains the Republican ticket, then Mr Trump must have an even chance of the Presidency?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 05:36 PM

The Trump and Hockey Mom comedy sideshow. It might almost be worth watching.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: GUEST,#
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 05:45 PM

Don't mean nothin' until Ann Coulter endorses him. And then that don't mean nothin' too.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: olddude
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 06:31 PM

Lol next maybe rush Limbaugh

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 06:32 PM

Hard to figure which of the two is the bigger fucking ignorant blowhard asshole.

And no, Steve, it ain't worth watching. Its a goddamn national embarrassment.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 06:44 PM

I only said almost, Greg. You'll be amazed at the number of wonderful things that I almost do. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 06:59 PM

Well the problem seems to be that the centre left in the US appear to dislike socialists even more than they do Republicans.
Mr Trump is broadly acceptable the centre right and conservative wing, whereas Mr sanders will only gather perhaps half of the left wing vote.

It may be that to attain the presidency the centre left will have to make Mrs Clinton their choice for presidential candidate despite all the negatives which attend her.

A very sad state of affairs.

In the UK at present, we have a socialist as leader of Her Majesties Opposition, he is being opposed at every juncture by the majority of the Parliamentary Labour Party, who would rather see the Tories in Power, than have the people educated into the meaning and practice of socialism.

Political labels mean nothing, what we require is effective change.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 07:08 PM

Just been listening to a US commentator on BBC who reckons that Mrs Palin's endorsement of Donald J Trump is rather important in relation to the vote In Iowa.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 07:11 PM

It doesn't matter.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Wesley S
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 07:16 PM

Maybe she's still gunning for that vice-presidential slot?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 07:17 PM

Perhaps it doesn't matter to you Steve, but it is of interest to me and maybe other contributors to the thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 07:19 PM

Apparently Mr Trump is unlikely to invite Mrs Palin onto the ticket for reasons of political "balance"

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 07:25 PM

It doesn't matter because neither will ever be in power. Get real.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 08:13 PM

Screw Palin- the family says that John Wayne - who fearlessly fought World War Two single-handed from Hollywood and was a buddy of Joe McCarthy - endorses Trump.

Don't get much better than that.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 08:41 PM

The view from the U.S.: the GOP Clown Car is filling up.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 08:48 PM

Now that Ms Palin has joined the Trump camp, I'm waiting with bated breath to see who Ted Nugent endorses.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 09:51 PM

For the record: only a John Wayne daughter lauded Trump and said that her father would be for him also; the John Wayne estate/Enterprises essentially says 'No way'.

The whole John Wayne thing, of course, is a farce. Even he said he would like to be John Wayne.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 10:41 PM

Dear Pharoah,

It would be most alarming to think that the Trump would be acceptable to any centre right. Pretty much by definition a supporter of the Trump is lunatic right not centre right.

Secondly, the centre-left is not "left wing". In so asserting you fall into the linguistic trap set by right-wing propagandists.

Third, it is not the majority of the PLP who seek to sabotage Corbyn, merely a vile rump of Bitterites, maybe at most 60 of them but more likely 30 or fewer. Their reasons, however, do seem to be as you state, but then one must ask why you do not apply the same thought in the USA? The Bitterites (whom you rightly condemn) assert that their cause is to make Labour electable. If they are right then the US position (as you assert it to be) would be a parallel. Yet you reject the Bitterite case while seeming to endorse the alleged necessity for Clinton.

I would hope that the majority of the USA would see the Trump as the farcical bigoted puffed-up loon that he is and reject him, no matter who the Democratic presidential candidate might be.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 10:48 PM

Hmmmm. I hadn't heard about the John Wayne endorsement of Trump. Wayne died in 1979, so I can see some logic in Wayne posthumously endorsing Ronald Reagan in the 1980 election. But for Trump to get a John Wayne endorsement in 2016 is a bit far-fetched.

ake sez: Well the problem seems to be that the centre left in the US appear to dislike socialists even more than they do Republicans.
Mr Trump is broadly acceptable the centre right and conservative wing, whereas Mr sanders will only gather perhaps half of the left wing vote.

I think that Bernie Sanders is getting a lot more respect from the center-left than had been expected. He comes across as a decent, honest guy with no "baggage," a man who explains his ideas logically and convincingly. I think he may even find some appeal among open-minded center-right voters. Bernie may be a Socialist, but he's the most likable Socialist the U.S. has ever produced.

Trump, on the other hand, appeals only to the extreme right. He makes the center-right Republicans so nervous that they might even vote for a Democrat. I can't imagine Trump garnering over thirty percent of the general vote if he were to be the Republican nominee, because he is a truly frightening person. If Trump gains the Republican nomination, I think that either Sanders or Clinton would win by a landslide - and win both houses of Congress, too.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 03:05 AM

Joe, I hope so.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: olddude
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 10:01 AM

I like bernie also but I don't think he can win, h. Too far left iI am guessing. Don't know but I want trump to be no alternate choice of any kind

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: olddude
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 10:09 AM

Did anyone see her I support trump speech, Saturday night Live is going to have a field day.That was tthe most ridiculous thing I ever watched even for her

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: olddude
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 10:24 AM

Talk about isis, I think her and trump are probably the most dangerous people on the planet. God forbid they have their finger on the trigger

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Jeri
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 10:37 AM

Bernie's approval rating in NH is 91%. I don't think that height has been reached before. So when you think he can't win, think of that. The one thing he has going for him that other candidates don't (IMO) is that people trust him. It's a big thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: olddude
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 11:13 AM

I hope you are right jeri but never underestimate the stupidy of our population

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 11:21 AM

Ake, Corbyn is a mainstream social democrat and pacifist. Does that make him a socialist? Maybe, but he is a pretty mild one.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: GUEST,#
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 11:52 AM

' "Later on, Coulter said, "I would like to be the head of Donald Trump's Homeland Security." And she was only "half-kidding," because "I don't think it's that hard to figure out."

"I'll get it all done before breakfast," Coulter continued. "[I] could kind of guess who the criminals are going to be at least 50 percent of the time." '

That is from

http://www.mediaite.com/online/ann-coulter-wants-to-be-trumps-homeland-security-secretary/

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Does anyone else feel like Washington is testing lysergic acid diethylamide on Republicans?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 11:58 AM

What I think on US politics is unprintable Richard, I am certainly no supporter of Mrs Clinton......If she becomes President the standing of the US will plumb new depths.
I was simply musing on how I think the political soap opera may play out.

Mr Sanders is the nearest to my own position but still several miles away in political terms.....much too liberal.
My type of socialism could ill afford such fripperies, far too much real work to do.

The soft left in the US and the UK are full of wind and piss.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: GUEST,#
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 12:03 PM

Here is Sarah's endorsement.

I am gobsmacked. She would have fit in so well with the Bush administration. At least she and George spoke the same language.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: olddude
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 12:30 PM

I could not stop laughing at Cnn when she was on, all I thought of was Tina Fey field day

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: olddude
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 12:31 PM

No bad mouth of my hillary... Grrrr

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 12:37 PM

Jeremy Corbyn is not a pacifist, Dave. He says so himself. He says that war should be an absolute last resort. I'm no pacifist and I agree with that. A pacifist would not agree with war under any circumstances. He is a unilateralist, wanting to rid this country of nuclear weapons. I agree with that too.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 01:45 PM

I just saw the speech on the news and how anyone can take it seriously is a mystery to me. A screeching harridan spouting nonsense about a deluded hate monger becoming commander in chief of the most powerful war machine in the world and "kicking isis' ass". What sort of world has it become where these sort of people are considered potential leaders and, even worse, many people will believe them?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: gnu
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 04:01 PM

For those that don't Feel The Bern... do a little more reading. Bernie has this in the bag if big money doesn't stop him with all the shit I see on popular TV like Jimmy Fallon and the like. That's the only way Hillary will win and I seriously don't think/hope she will.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: gnu
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 05:29 PM

Oh! Yeah! I forgot to mention, as I have mentioned many times in the past, I think she's a babe and I would like to spend a romantic evening... well, maybe not a whole evening... with her if she didn't talk.

Yes, that is very sexist and possibly worse but, as far as I am concerned, fuck her. She's an ignorant redneck that exemplifies all that is wrong with some of the critzens (yes, critizens) of the USA and Canada and......

But, she's a babe. I'd love to get me a wee time wit da loikes a dat eh?. Course, I'd wear me some protection so as I don't catch me no Repubican type diseases en wha?

Seriously... WTF is she in the media? WTF is Trump in the media? The whole world is watching this inane cluster fuck and some of us are staying tuned??? WTF?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: frogprince
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 05:35 PM

Kinds makes me think of the old, "Now, where's that woman I'm supposed to wrestle". I wouldn't be too sure which I wanted to start with.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 05:59 PM

Getting back to reality, does anyone think that Mr Sanders has a larger voter base in the whole of the US than Mrs Clinton?
That's just amongst the ordinary voters, not taking into account the actions of the political machine should Mr Sanders be eventually elected as President.

Is it more important that one or other Party is ELECTED, than a movement for change in government is instigated? People need to be educated about what socialism really means, those who fought the system in the thirties and marched to oppose colour prejudice in the sixties have been forgotten. The children of the sixties lived through a financial boom, soft and complacent, now they are satisfied with gender non issues, while the edifice of capitalism is crumbling around them.....and they don't have a clue what to put in its place.

Just look at this thread, name calling instead of discussion, vile remarks demeaning all women......don't you know that Party politics is a sham? A game in which we always lose.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 06:00 PM

Palin may be a symbol of hatefulness, but criticisms of her should not be sexist and not should the rape culture be endorsed. Stick it up your own arse, gnu, if you can reach.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 06:09 PM

A recent article about just why it is that some Americans support Trump causes me great alarm.

The thesis was that people who are not comfortable with independent thinking, unpredictable outcomes, nebulous reasoning, and uncertainty of any kind, much prefer rule-based, punishment oriented, simplistic, authoritarian governments.

What frightens me is that I recognize that syndrome in my own birth family- if they are typical of many Americans we are in deep doo doo.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 06:19 PM

people who are not comfortable with independent thinking, unpredictable outcomes, nebulous reasoning, and uncertainty of any kind, much prefer rule-based, punishment oriented, simplistic, authoritarian governments

Think Germany, 1939.

The U.S., thru education budget cuts, Reaganomics, and general reactionary Republican legislative horseshit, has raised up a generation or two of morons.

Now, with Trump, et al, we're reaping the whirlwind.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 12:42 AM

Sanders has a definitive lead in New Hampshire, perhaps, as Jeri indicated, but his campaign will have a tough time in the South (e.g., South Carolina) and elsewhere, notwithstanding the reliance a lot of poorer states have on social programs that directly benefit them (Social Security; Food Stamps; Medicaid, etc). If Sanders could only distill his message down so that constituents would realize they would actually be voting for someone who seems to sincerely have their best interests at heart instead of voting for someone who only panders to "the middle class" for the votes and then conducts business as usual once elected.

So far, he has not been able to do that. Once people hear the "socialist" label, they automatically think commies and russkies, Ho Chi Minh and Stalin, and anything else Sanders says is lost on deaf ears. Sanders should spend more time in his stump speeches explaining just what socialism is and how much of the USA is already tilted in that direction (for example, see Wikipedia for a list of employee-owned companies).

Maybe Sanders should take a lesson from Trump and just answer every question with "It's gonna be great, trust me, it will be so fantastic." Never mind specifics or anything based in reality, just make people feel empowered with "greatness." That seems to work well. Or deliver a dissociated message in a shrill voice reminiscent of fingernails scraped across a blackboard.

Nah, Sanders has too much integrity for that tactic.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 03:14 AM

Now hold on a minute, Socialism is primarily concerned with how the economy is managed; every thing else flows from that.

Ideals like making your country great should apply to all shades of political opinion, as should personal responsibility. Social conservatism has a huge part to play in a socialist society.

The biggest impediment is convincing people that financial aspiration is not a positive ideology; that other things like better standards of education, health, public transport, housing, are of more importance to society than personal enrichment.

To put it simply one sector of our divided society cannot move forward without the other and partisan politics like the amazing Pubs/Dems war, are delaying any kind of political change.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Mr Red
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 04:17 AM

Hmmmm, the American political scenario makes the UK mess look almost respectable. But it is still messy. And we now have more parties to send us in the direction of Greece and Italy. Gawd help us.

Although looking at the list of "hopefuls" in the republican camp - perhaps they are doing the internecine tango.

And the Trump Card are DT & SP?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 04:50 AM

Mr Red said, 'Hmmmm, the American political scenario makes the UK mess look almost respectable.'

Keep in mind that the political mess one sees now in the US is just within a single party, specifically the Republican.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 07:00 AM

Christopher Columbus has a lot to answer for
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 10:57 AM

The Republicans are in such a turmoil right now that they can't even efficiently organize the circular firing squad they are planning.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: olddude
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 11:22 AM

I have as of this moment believe hillary cannot beat bernie. Now maybe she will just do the grand babies business like   
I always thought and forget about
The politics crap.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 02:18 PM

Try it out folks, hours of mindless fun - Palinisms: The Sarah Palin random phrase generator

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 02:50 PM

Woody Guthrie reworked "I Ain't Got No Home" into a blistering broadside against his landlord, Fred Trump, the Donald's racist father:

Beach Haven ain't my home!
I just cain't pay this rent!
My money's down the drain!
And my soul is badly bent!
Beach Haven looks like heaven
Where no black ones come to roam!
No, no, no! Old Man Trump!
Old Beach Haven ain't my home!

Good article entitled "Woody Guthrie Despised His Landlord—Donald Trump's Racist Father"

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