BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 08:08 AM

I stated a fact. Look it up. Hardly an attack. You're just neurotic. And that's an attack in spite of your anonymity. Wanna call me a Jew-hater again or are you going to bleat that it wasn't you?   :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 08:14 AM

How many years ago was it?.......It's called stalking.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 08:29 AM

Well it's nice to hear you admit it. Now say you're sorry for indulging in horrid and totally unjustified name-calling from behind your cloak of anonymity, you coward.

How many cases do I need to rest?

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 08:41 AM

"A perfect example of the need for anonymous posting"
.,,.
No -- there is no such thing. There is never any need for anonymous posting, other than by those who, to put it at its most favourable, don't mind at least to appear to have some unworthy agenda which they would prefer not to have associated with them.

I appeal to the Mudcat powers-that-be YET AGAIN to go back to forbidding its occurrence.

≈M≈

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 08:46 AM

My comment of 02 Feb 16 - 08:14 AM was referring to your stalking of Keith, but you know that, don't you.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 08:51 AM

No -- there is no such thing.

Yes, there is....to deter stalkers like Shaw and team Musket.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 08:59 AM

I find it strange Guest. Steve can be accused of many things, he seems to be intelligent, articulate and reasoned in his posts. Stalking doesn't seem to fit the bill in any way.

PS Just in case you ask, don't know the man, never met him. Should we ever meet I'm sure we could have a pint and a natter in perfect composure without recourse to the bitterness that is sometimes exhibited on here, and yes I know I too have been guilty of that.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 12:49 PM

I don't think stalking is anything to do with intelligence or articulation Raggytash.....It is certainly a personality disorder, a criminal and vicious one at that!

I am a little surprised at how much of it is allowed here, I think it has something to do with the difference in American and British perceptions......any ideas anyone?

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 01:09 PM

Certainly an interesting perspective Akenaton, but perhaps a separate thread to discuss might be appropriate.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 02:39 PM

Steve, all of us on this thread know that Alilhai Brown is British, but she is also well known as a prominent member of the Asia community, and those descriptions of herself were given inthe context of a discussion of British Pakistani and Asian culture.

You think Jim described her as Jewish by mistake?
You think he totally misrepresented what she said on the programme by mistake?
You think he said that I claimed wristbands were used by UK hotels by mistake?
He sure makes a lot!
I think that he is just a dishonest man.

Re Wheatcroft, you accused me of partially quoting him, when I had already quoted the passage in full so there was no question of any deception.
It was another example of you making an entirely spurious accusation against me because you can not reply to what I actually say.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 03:05 PM

Everybody daft enough to have followed that thread knows exactly what you did, Keith.

By the way, you've been picked up before for the discourtesy of misrepresenting someone's name. You've done it again. It's Yasmin Alibhai-Brown. Do note the spelling and the placement of the hyphen. You clearly and plainly stated that she is Pakistani. She is a British citizen who was born in Uganda. That dies not nuke her a Pakistani. You were mistaken but you won't admit it, glaring though it was. Let's see if Jim comes here to make similar denials, shall we?

You were inaccurate over Wheatcroft, you were inaccurate more than once about Ban Ki-moon and you have been inaccurate over both the nationality and the name of Yasmin Alibhai-Brown. It makes one feel that nothing you say may be trusted, Keith.

Incidentally, our welcome anonymous Guest, who accuses me of stalking, has tracked me down on a music thread now and is having a good go over there. He doesn't do irony, does he? :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 03:06 PM

Nuke? Make!

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 03:20 PM

I sometimes get names wrong, but there is no malice in that and everyone knows who was meant.
You are clearly desperate to find something against me.

Alibhai-Brown herself again.
"Being avowedly a leftie liberal, anti-racist, feminist, Muslim, part-Pakistani, and yes, a very responsible person, "

Ugandan gets no mention.
British gets no mention, because it does not need mentioning.
Again, you are desperate to get something against me.

No criticism of Jim who called her Jewish knowing that it was a lie because it suited his argument.
No criticism of Jim for lying about what she said.
No criticism of Jim for lying about me again.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 03:59 PM

But you're denying it. Let's see if Jim denies his mistake. He hasn't been back since you picked it up. He made a mistake but we don't know yet whether he's going to correct it. He usually does. There are lots of apologies from Jim scattered over a good number of threads. In the last day or two I've had to apologise here once in public and once in private. That always puts the lid on the matter. It's the best way. You made a mistake and, true to form, you're in denial. Can't be trusted, Keith. Same old Keith. She is not a Pakistani, Keith. I mean, how much simpler can it be?

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 04:09 PM

She is not a Pakistani, Keith. I mean, how much simpler can it be?
She is describes herself as Pakistani, if only half.
She is a prominent member of that community.
I described her correctly, except I called her Jasmin not Yasmin.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 04:11 PM

Alibhai-Brown herself again.
"Being avowedly a leftie liberal, anti-racist, feminist, Muslim, part-Pakistani, and yes, a very responsible person, "http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/yasmin-alibhai-brown/yasmin-alibhai-brown-jack-straw-is-right-to-ask-hard-questions-about-asian-men-2180318.html

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 05:13 PM

I refuse to get annoyed with you, Keith. I reserve the right, however, to be extremely amused.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 05:18 PM

Ya gots a stronger stomach than me, Steve.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 07:32 PM

""Being avowedly a leftie liberal, anti-racist, feminist, Muslim, part-Pakistani, and yes, a very responsible person"

Once again a very selective cut and paste. The first line of the article states "Yasmin Alibhai-Brown (born Yasmin Damji on 10 December 1949) is a Ugandan-born British journalist and author, who describes herself as ............... "

Makes you wonder doesn't it.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 07:58 PM

It certainly makes you wonder how Keith concluded from a very short snippet of her biography that she's a Pakistani when you consider that he professes to have learned such a vast amount of accurate information from mountains of history books...

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: GUEST,Aggiornamento
Date: 03 Feb 16 - 01:11 AM

Red plaques may be so-how-do-you-like-it  "Mark of the Nazarene" backlash. Wristbands, wear a watch.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Feb 16 - 02:17 AM

She describes herself as part Pakistani.
Is she wrong to do that and why is it wrong to accept her own description of herself??

"Yasmin Alibhai-Brown (born Yasmin Damji on 10 December 1949) is a Ugandan-born British journalist and author, who describes herself as a "leftie liberal, anti-racist, feminist, Shia Muslim, part-Pakistani, and

Not Ugandan and certainly not Jewish!

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Feb 16 - 02:19 AM

You people are just determined to find fault, however spurious, because you have no answer to what I actually say.

No comment on the issue, just personal attacks on me.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Feb 16 - 01:02 PM

Good heavens why hasn't this one been shut down as well? It has after all been round the houses to the point that it no longer has anywhere else to go. There again I suppose they have to leave something alive below the line to accompany that pointless and ludicrous "Mother of all" thread that takes up all that space.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Feb 16 - 06:10 PM

Don't bother reading threads that get on yer tits, Guest. Therein lies the path to insanity.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Feb 16 - 06:20 PM

Therein lies the path to insanity.

Too late!

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Feb 16 - 06:27 PM

*wibble*!

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Feb 16 - 09:46 AM

"The bands were only referred to by Jasmin Aibhai-Brown, 28 minutes in."
The bands were referred to by a lady from the foor - self - described as Jewish
Do not call me a liar
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Feb 16 - 11:45 AM

Jim, I have just rewatched the whole programme from start to finish, and the relevant section (18-33 minutes) twice.

Alibhai-Brown is the only person who ever mentions wristbands.
No such audience member as you describe appears at all.
Here is the programme.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b06zcm4g/question-time-28012016

You did lie, and have compounded that lie with another.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Feb 16 - 04:07 AM

Then it was another programme around the same time of the week - I did not watch the entire Question time - I din't watch entire discussion programmes with politicians on unless the politiicians concerned impress me, which the seldom do, or if the entire programme is on a subject I am interested in - which it seldom is
I flicked onto a programe where a lady wearing a Star of David prominantly on a chain was comparing wearing an armband with the experiences of her family - she actually said she had deliberately put it on to ake the point that night.
I occasionally watch Vincent Brown's Forum - might well have been that one.
I really have no need to lie Keith - the practice of FORCING, asylum Seekers to wear armbands AT ALL TIMES has been universally condemned by the press and politicians - I have read one defence of the practice, by a Tory, and saw one, tory again, politician defend it.
Will watch the programme when I get home to make sure YOU are not lying, as you now do regularly, but as I said, I have no reason to lie - which is why I don't - I leave that to those who are mpre practiced at the art.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Feb 16 - 04:08 AM

Were you hoping that the programme would be taken down after a week?
It stays for eleven months. Bad luck.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Feb 16 - 05:39 AM

They are not arm bands they are wrist bands.
Some form of ID is needed to access entitlements.
Wristbands are how it is done in most other circumstances.
They are hidden by sleeves and without sleeves a bracelet, watch or charity band would conceal them.
They can not be lost or stolen, unlike cards which might take days to get replaced.

If people really object, then let them have something different but do not use it as evidence of persecution.
It is not.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Feb 16 - 06:19 AM

If it's only removable by destroying it, yes it is. There are good reasons for that in hospitals, but not anywhere else. To me, whether you can easily slip the thing off and stick it in your pocket is crucial. If you can't, it's repressive.

I checked that programme too, and Jim made a mistake. It's clear from his last post he's receptive to that possibility and he says he'll check (I can save you the effort, Jim). In contrast, you made a mistake about Yasmin Alibhai-Brown (not only concerning the spelling of her name, which you insultingly dismissed as unimportant, but also in getting her nationality wrong), but you've dug in your heels and won't back down. Keith can never be wrong. That's the difference, Keith. I think you need to stop calling Jim a liar right now, frankly.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Feb 16 - 07:01 AM

but also in getting her nationality wrong)

I never referred to her nationality which we all know is British.
I described her as she describes herself.
I pasted in her self description.

That and the spelling of Yasmin were irrelevant to the issues under discussion and just the latest example of you attacking me over spurious claims because you have no reply to my points on the issue.

If the bands could be taken off without invalidating them they could be lost or stolen like cards can be.
They are needed to access daily needs of food and welfare.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Feb 16 - 07:32 AM

You misspelled her surname too. Then you claimed that it didn't matter because at least we all know who we're talking about. Well it does matter. We need to be sensitive about name spellings in a country with diverse cultures and ethnicities. It's called being respectful. When you were corrected over the form of address for Mr Ban, you ignored it and went on to commit the same error in a subsequent post. You said, without any qualification, that Yasmin Alibhai-Brown is Pakistani, full stop, period, end of. She is a Brit who was born in Uganda. An unqualified assertion that she is Pakistani is laughably wide of the mark. As you were using this to criticise someone else's inaccuracies, it makes it all the more offensive. You clearly don't do irony. Your circumlocutions after I'd challenged you are irrelevant with regard to the fact that you refused to say oops, got that wrong, it was a misleading characterisation. You're a silly man in these matters and it wastes a lot of energy. If you're wrong, own up. Once you've done that, everyone understands and no-one mentions it ever again. Happened to me loads of times. The trouble is, you have form, so this makes all your other assertions appear untrustworthy too. Not the way to carry on, but I suppose you won't be told.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Feb 16 - 08:40 AM

Pathetic.
Neither Mr. Ban nor Ms. Alibhai-Brown use Mudcat.
She describes herself as a "leftie liberal, anti-racist, feminist, Shia Muslim, part-Pakistani, "

The threads were not about spellings but issues.
You had nothing to contribute on the issues so resorted to pedantic, nit picking attacks on me personally.
Pathetic.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Feb 16 - 09:09 AM

I've contributed a good number of opinions about wristbands in this thread, Keith, as anyone can see. At last count, ten posts entirely on topic, five slightly sarcastic ones and a good few now about your erroneous characterisations. Ten is not a bad haul, Keith. It makes me one of the biggest on-topic contributors in this thread. It is egregiously ridiculous to claim that I have had nothing to contribute, whether you agree with it or not. What beats me is why you think you can get away with saying such nonsensically untrue things when the thread is here before us for anyone to check. You seem to think we're all stupid or something. As I keep saying, the more you behave like this the less trustworthy it makes all your other assertions on this forum seem. If that's what you're aiming for, fine. Don't let me stop you.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: GUEST,Derrick
Date: 05 Feb 16 - 09:11 AM

pedantic
pɪˈdantɪk/
adjective
adjective: pedantic

    excessively concerned with minor details or rules.

Looked in the mirror lately Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Feb 16 - 12:27 PM

" Jim made a mistake. It's clear from his last post he's receptive to that possibility and he says he'll check (I can save you the effort, Jim). In contrast, you made a mistake about Yasmin Alibhai-Brown (not only concerning the spelling of her name, which you insultingly dismissed as unimportant, but also in getting her nationality wrong), but you've dug in your heels and won't back down." - So says Steve Shaw President of the Mudcat Forum Pedants Circle.

He made a mistake and accused Keith A of deliberately lying - Keith A did not lie Fact

Jim Carroll made an error which may/may not have caused offence and hurt sensibilities - he'll check but there will be no apology.

Trouble with Arab/Muslim names there are many ways to spell them - Yet still our resident pedant jumps right in and shakes the incident like a terrier shaking a rat - God help you Shaw if you ever do the same, then we'll hear you squeal if handed the treatment you are now dishing out.

One law for the Gander and another for the Goose is Shaw's way of doing things - His pals can get names, details, facts wrong right, left and centre and not a peep from our Pendant-General.

On the subject of Yasmin Alibhai-Brown, Keith A only copied how the Lady describes herself and if memory serves the Ugandan-Asians expelled by Amin were stripped of any entitlement to call themselves Ugandan the second they were deported. Now as Yasmin's father was born in India before Pakistan was created and Yasmin was born in 1949 just after the creation of Pakistan - she describes herself, in her opinion as being "part Pakistani".

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Feb 16 - 12:33 PM

our Pendant-General

Precisely which part of Steve is hanging down, Bearded Fred?

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 05 Feb 16 - 12:49 PM

The mind boggles, GrengF!

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 05 Feb 16 - 12:50 PM

But I must remind Guest that I was long ago declared the Official Legendary Pedant...

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Feb 16 - 12:59 PM

" Keith A did not lie Fact"
Yes he did - he claimed 4 star hotels made their customers wear armbands that need ed to be cut off on leaving - any takers on that one?
He comared the enforced wearing of armbands at all times to 4 star hotels making customers their customers wear armbands to buy drinks - any comparison from anyone here other than Keith.
I say what I saw - I accept that I may have the programme wrong but that's what I saw
If Keith saw the programme - perhaps he might explain who defended the practice, who they were and why?
As I said, I have no neen to lie - nobody has argued in favour of this practivce of identifying asylum seekers - at best, they say it was a mistake - but most oppose it
Keith has supported it and claimed it to be common practice elsewhere - that is a lie and it is a lie in order to identify asylum seekers and the Jews once were.
My mistake is now eing used as a diversion from that fact as I knew it would be.
"he'll check but there will be no apology."
I always apologise when a mistake is pointed out - please show when that has not been the case - won't hold my breath
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Feb 16 - 01:48 PM

Well, hateful Guest-coward, 'twas Keith, rightly in my view, who was first accused of pedantry. I'm not aware of anyone going to town on the little mistakes and typos that crop up in most people's posts (I've even had Michael bang to rights once or twice!) Dammit all, the typing in the little white box is so titchy for old peepers like mine. If your English grammar and spelling is a bit below-par you are still entitled to post as long as you try hard, and no-one should have a go at you, as that would be bad form, and pedantic to boot. Insisting on getting people's names right is not pedantry, it's a demand for respect. And, as was so predictable, Jim has fully acknowledged his error. Now, Guest, perhaps you'd care to turn your fire on those who make errors, often repeatedly, then go into denial. Keith shall remain nameless. You should like that.

And this: "On the subject of Yasmin Alibhai-Brown, Keith A only copied how the Lady describes herself"

... is not true. Here's the whole post from Keith that prompted me to correct him.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 02 Feb 16 - 06:13 AM

Jim,
"The Yellow Star comparison is not mine, in fact a Jewish speaker on last week's Question Time made exactly the same comparison"

Not true.
The bands were only referred to by Jasmin Aibhai-Brown [sic], 28 minutes in.

She is Pakistani not Jewish and she did not compare them to yellow stars.
She never mentioned yellow stars at all.

Keith back-pedalled on the bald and highly-inaccurate statement "She is Pakistani..." only after I'd challenged him. He would never had essayed his bungled "corrections" at all had I not done so. Honesty is the best policy, chips.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Feb 16 - 01:54 PM

Yes he did - he claimed 4 star hotels made their customers wear armbands that need ed to be cut off on leaving -

No I did not.

He comared the enforced wearing of armbands at all times to 4 star hotels making customers their customers wear armbands to buy drinks

No I did not.

nobody has argued in favour of this practivce of identifying asylum seekers

Neither have I.

Keith has supported it and claimed it to be common practice elsewhere

Ity is common practice elsewhere, but I acknowledged it might not be appropriate in this case.

Jim, you were wrong to claim that you saw it on Question Time, and again when you repeated the claim, waiting a week from the programme when many are deleted.
No apology.
You ask us to believe that it was on some other programme, but offer no substantiation.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Feb 16 - 02:02 PM

Good heavens Shaw - Jim Carroll said that some "comared" something - that might be hurtful and offend sensibilities.

He said that people were wearing "armbands" when they were wearing "WRISTBANDS".

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Feb 16 - 02:31 PM

Well I suppose your wrist is a part of your arm. You're clutching at straws, dear boy. Insubstantial errors of that kind made in haste are hardly earth-shattering. In the end, though, explicit lack of respect for people not of your own culture or ethnicity ("it doesn't matter because they don't read Mudcat anyway" sort of thing) has caused endless trouble for this planet.

And Keith, if someone makes a mistake here it's nice if they just acknowledge it. We don't expect grovelling, dirt-eating apologies, so give over being such a big baby and stop demanding one from Jim. And cast ye out the plank while you're at it.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Feb 16 - 04:16 PM

There is a very significant difference.
Armbands are worn outside the sleeve and mark you out unmistakeably.
A wristband is hidden by the sleeve, and without a sleeve is easily concealed by a watch, bracelet or charity band.

No one was offended by by misspellings.
Mr. Ban and Ms. Alibhai-Brown have made no objection so why should you.
Also, I have been known to misspell Western names too.
Just a spurious excuse to criticise me personally.

And Keith, if someone makes a mistake here it's nice if they just acknowledge it.

He tried to deny he had made a mistake until he was forced to admit it, and even then suggested I might be lying about it!

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 05 Feb 16 - 04:50 PM

Keith, have you ever acknowledged you have made a mistake unless you have been browbeaten into such a situation... I, and I suspect many others, would answer in the negative to that question.

For instance on another recent thread you espoused the virtues of using a wristband to take advantage of the offers available to those people who had paid for the "privilege" of having a wristband without actually paying for one yourself.

I also suspect you asked for several post to be deleted when this was mentioned. I have no proof of this but I'm sure if I asked the right people the right questions I would get an answer.

I don't know if you have ever defrauded organisations by taking advantage of fraudulently using a wristband in this way, only you and your God know that. But I suspect that someone who would promote such fraud as you did may be susceptible to the possibility.

The bottom line is you are not above condemnation yourself. So before you start casting aspidistras at other people you may, as someone else has already said, want to look carefully in the mirror.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Feb 16 - 05:09 PM

"Armbands are worn outside the sleeve and mark you out unmistakeably.
A wristband is hidden by the sleeve, and without a sleeve is easily concealed by a watch, bracelet or charity band."

This is turning into a laugh a minute. I only ever wear short-sleeve shirts. I do not possess bracelets or charity bands (whatever they are - can't see asylum seekers making them a top priority somehow). My watch is a five-quid eBay cheapie that has a narrow plastic band. I suppose that, were I an asylum seeker, I'd have to insist on a subsidised trip to Next and a good jeweller before my wristband was fitted, just so that I could hide it.