BS: Trump

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 04:11 PM

Thanks EJ for the explanation and commentary.

Greg, Dick Gregory certainly has a wit and he does employ it. He's got to be in his eighties by now. I read 'Nigger', his autobiography and have enjoyed him ever since.

Jeri and BWL, it's baaaad acid.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 05:39 PM

it's baaaad acid.

My brother and some of my friends dropped it before the announcement was made. They enjoyed it.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 06:15 PM

Heil Donald!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Mar 16 - 02:38 AM

Hey Greg, you attack on people not checking their sources....and for your 'source' you post a biased article from the op-ed section of the NYT???? Great 'source'(?)!!

Try an original opinion of your own....if you're capable...of either!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Mar 16 - 02:41 PM

I'm rather surprised at you folks, making lame jokes about someone who from nothing has really galvanised the right wing and centre of American politics seems to miss the point.

This is democracy at work, a huge swathe of Americans appear to feel that they are not represented by the established Parties and have backed someone who seems to speak for them.....they simply don't like the direction that America is taking and have frightened the shit out of the political establishment.

One thing seems fairly certain, no sort of systemic change will be achieved by the election of the Clinton Dynasty. Business as usual, I think.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 04 Mar 16 - 03:42 PM

"has really galvanised the right wing and center of American politics"

Not exactly. Cruz and (to a slightly lesser extent) Rubio are the right and Kasich is clearly the center.

Trump's promises are inconsistent with any established GOP faction. And he frequently contradicts himself from one day to the next. ("Let the Russians take care of ISIS" vs. "Let ISIS depose Assad, then we'll do the rest"; "Register Muslims!" vs. "We're not going to do that.")

Trump's followers are populist know-nothings under the spell of a "leader"w who can do no wrong because he's a TV star, a billionaire, a supposed tough guy, an aggressive nationalist, a low comedian, and a vulgarian who claims to have a simple solution - himself - for every problem.

There's no telling *what* President Trump would do in office, but any "change" would undoubtedly be in the direction of inconsistency, nationalism, craziness, etc.

Congress would be hard pressed to keep him in line.

BTW, besides boasting about the size of his whanger at last night's debate, Trump said that Sen. McCain, who's warned against a Trump candidacy, "has to be very careful."

And why? "He'll find out."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Mar 16 - 06:14 PM

That's right, Goofus- the NY Times is a REAL newspaper, as opposed to the Alex John/Howard Nema websites and Fux News[sic] where you get your mis-information.

From your comments, you also apparently did nor READ the NYT piece, or failed to understand it, or both.

No surprises there.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Thompson
Date: 05 Mar 16 - 02:50 AM

Talking of Dilberts, the creator of Dilbert has a rather scary video about Trump's methods.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Mar 16 - 03:33 AM

Lighter, I have a lot of respect for your opinions and take on board much of what you say, but regarding "danger", surely McCain and his ilk are the people who took us into Iraq.....Mrs Clinton was instrumental in the destabilisation of Libya with the consequences which ensued?

I don't think Mr Trumps populist rhetoric is nearly as dangerous as letting these "establishment politicians" out on their own?

Don't you think it is about time the American political establishment was given a bloody good shake? As a UKer, I agree with restricting immigration in all countries, but disagree strongly with Mr Trump on other issues.

Blanket condemnation of someone who has caught the public mood seems unfair, Mr Trumps rhetoric has already started to change, as EJ said it would......I hope he does not turn out to be just another smokescreen for the system.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Mar 16 - 03:38 AM

Sorry Lighter that was I.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 05 Mar 16 - 07:00 AM

Michael Hayden (a former head of the CIA and NSA) has said the military would likely not follow Trump's illegal orders if he was c-in-c. I certainly hope they wouldn't. But it's a moot point because Trump will never become president. Neither Trump nor his followers are wrapped all that tight.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: gillymor
Date: 05 Mar 16 - 08:03 AM

The GOP has richly earned Trump. They spent almost a half century pandering to the racism and fears of working class whites and now that that large constinuency has finally caught on to the pyramid scheme that is supply side economics they've fled to another con, the Donald.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Mar 16 - 09:10 AM

You think you are correct. More often than not you are.

But where you are wrong is that reason has anything to do with persuasion.

The most powerful persuasion be it by our scholarly intellectual President Obama or by Donald Trump is by emotion and hypnosis principles. For Barak , the convention speech set him on the road to mass persuasion.

Just as deliberately Donald Trump uses the tools of hypnosis and self assured vagueness' to capture an average audience.

You don't know what hypnosis is. You have your personal understanding of what you are told and what you believe.


Trump is using hypnotic principles I kid you not.

To become a world class practitioner of an art, it is said you must devote 10,000 or 15,000 hours of practice to your craft. I have done that in the practice of hypnosis with over 12,000 subjects individually or in small groups.

My expectations and pre conceptions were overwritten by the experience.

I was shocked.

Until you are willing to go beyond your own preconceived ideas you may not accept what I have been saying for OVER decade on this outlying outpost of social media.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Mar 16 - 12:38 PM

Well the republican repudiation of Trump has finally begun.

He has been called everything from being Mussolini, KKK and a Nazi.

Too late, McConnell like greed of an imagined base is a bust. Every criticism now only helps Trump.

Just like Global warming, the debates are over and so is the time to do something about it. Trump will be President unless twice as many Dems vote this time around.

There is a full court press against Trump. This kind of assault usd to work.

we will see.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: keberoxu
Date: 06 Mar 16 - 02:52 PM

Is it coincidence, I wonder, that both the Rap for Emperor thread and the Trump thread were allowed to sink below the BS horizon? Here I was afraid the Trump thread had been closed....not yet, I see.

From now on I am thinking of Trump as the TRUMPASAURUS. I only wish he actually WERE on the verge of extinction.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Richard Bridge elsewhere on the network
Date: 06 Mar 16 - 05:01 PM

Trump is not any sort of anti-establishment candidate. He is a third-generation financial rapist. He inherited vast sums of money - and has succeeded in turning them into rather less money than he would have had if he just put the money in interest-bearing accounts. Some dealmaker. How many of his companies have filed for bankruptcy? He is dependent on the banks for leniency or he would be shut down by them.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: michaelr
Date: 06 Mar 16 - 11:53 PM

Read Paul Krugman's recent column in the NY Times. Excerpt:

"...You have to wonder why, exactly, the Republican establishment is really so horrified by Mr. Trump. Yes, he's a con man, but they all are. So why is this con job different from any other?

The answer, I'd suggest, is that the establishment's problem with Mr. Trump isn't the con he brings; it's the cons he disrupts.

First, there's the con Republicans usually manage to pull off in national elections — the one where they pose as a serious, grown-up party honestly trying to grapple with America's problems. The truth is that that party died a long time ago, that these days it's voodoo economics and neocon fantasies all the way down. But the establishment wants to preserve the facade, which will be hard if the nominee is someone who refuses to play his part...

Equally important, the Trump phenomenon threatens the con the G.O.P. establishment has been playing on its own base. I'm talking about the bait and switch in which white voters are induced to hate big government by dog whistles about Those People, but actual policies are all about rewarding the donor class.

What Donald Trump has done is tell the base that it doesn't have to accept the whole package. He promises to make America white again — surely everyone knows that's the real slogan, right? — while simultaneously promising to protect Social Security and Medicare, and hinting at (though not actually proposing) higher taxes on the rich. Outraged establishment Republicans splutter that he's not a real conservative, but neither, it turns out, are many of their own voters.

Just to be clear, I find the prospect of a Trump administration terrifying, and so should you. But you should also be terrified by the prospect of a President Rubio, sitting in the White House with his circle of warmongers, or a President Cruz, whom one suspects would love to bring back the Spanish Inquisition.

As I see it, then, we should actually welcome Mr. Trump's ascent. Yes, he's a con man, but he is also effectively acting as a whistle-blower on other people's cons. That is, believe it or not, a step forward in these weird, troubled times."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Mar 16 - 03:38 AM

All that is fair enough Michael, but does a President Mrs Clinton not frighten you even more?
As I have said already, Mrs Clinton has very bad form on foreign policy.
No one on this forum seems to want to address her abject failures, her inability to grasp the consequences of her actions, her lack of statesmanship over the murder of Gaddafi, her treatment of security etc etc.

It seems to me that American politics consists of two teams both with basically the same aims, engaged in a false battle for election.
The purpose is to fool the American public into believing that they live in a realistic democracy?

It is a tactic well used in the UK over the issues of equality AND politics.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Richard Bridge etc
Date: 07 Mar 16 - 03:54 AM

I see the mods are hard at work deleting people's posts again.

Elsewhere I note that the Koch Brothers hate Trump. If that is so then Trump must have some merits, but I'm damned if I can see what they are.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 07 Mar 16 - 09:50 AM

Ake, thank you for the kind words. It is refreshing to disagree strongly with a civilized voice on a Mudcat BS thread.

But what is a "realistic democracy" anyway? Does one exist?

*None* of the current candidates seems capable of navigating the next four to eight years. Two are zealots, one is a visionary, one is a policy imbecile, and the third is - so far as I can tell - merely a fallible but very highly experienced but individual.

The other reason is that at least some of the problems facing America - and the world - may prove to be intractable indeed. (Just today, Mr. Kim has threatened a "pre-emptive and indiscriminate nuclear strike" against South Korea and the United States.)

Mrs. Clinton was hardly alone in recommending air action against Gadaffi any more than George W. Bush was alone in choosing to invade Iraq. These were not autocratic or frivolous edicts. Both people relied on numerous staffs and advisers, and there certainly was less than unanimity in these decisions.

Had the decision to take no military action been *obviously* better (roughly meaning "unmistakably clear to anyone of average intelligence"), it would have been made in both cases. (I don't subscribe to the assumption that Libya and Iraq were chiefly motivated by Wall Street greed, BTW. But this isn't the place to address that.)

It is hard to hold Mrs. Clinton responsible for the fact that the Libyans could not create a stable, inclusive, and more democratic government. Nor is Mr. Bush (or Mr. Obama) responsible for the collapse of the Iraqi army in the face of ISIS, after its most experienced senior officers had been replaced by the president's cronies.

Regarding Mr. Trump it is outrageous for him to say, one day, that he'll order U.S. armed forces to torture terrorists and kill their families in defiance of U.S. law, then, informed that the U.S. military is forbidden to violate U.S. law, assure us that "I've always been a leader, and believe me, they'll do what I say." The next day he said he'd never ask anyone to break the law. And the day after that he promised that he'd make sure the law was changed so that the torture of terrorist prisoners would be entirely legal.

At this point it seems hardly worth mentioning that waterboarding by the CIA (done to about four prisoners only) was designed to elicit information. Mr. Trump implies that that - and "much, much worse" - should be used as punishment (perhaps even of American citizens) to show the enemy just how tough we are. One would think that the current round-the-clock bombing alone would send a sufficient message.

Mrs. Clinton is the only one in the field whose experience and, very importantly, rationality qualify her to be President of the United States.

Those who say that Mr. Trump is merely "telling the audience what they want to hear" might consider that, as of now, there is a much larger audience that would prefer to hear something very different.   

But whether he believes his own words or not, he still chooses to say what he says.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Mar 16 - 10:07 AM

does a President Mrs Clinton not frighten you even more?

We know that for some reason(s) as yet unexplained and/or unsubstantiated she scares the living shite out of YOU, Ake. You really need to get that particular bug out of your arse. the repitition of nonsense is boring, if nothing else.

And if the Trump turd doest't frighten you, you're simply not paying attention.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Mar 16 - 11:55 AM

Research has revealed that a Trump ancestor is respondsible for changing the East European name of Drumpf to Trump.

What kind of character does the name Donald Drumpf portray anyway?

Drumpf tower, Drumpf Golf Course.

I can't criticize. My last name has been changed twice.
Once by an Ellis Island impatient employee and once again by me for my kids to simplify spelling.

---

Contrary to that family myth, no one employed at Ellis Island changed any names. People did that for themselves. There is not a single piece of documentary evidence that shows name changes occurred there. --mudelf historian

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Mar 16 - 12:45 PM

My only source is John Oliver so consider the source.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: keberoxu
Date: 07 Mar 16 - 02:16 PM

Trumpasaurus Rex will not be the first dinosaur to wreak havoc from the Oval Office, if in fact he gets in there. There are a number of cold-blooded reptilian Presidents in the past. It is sobering to realize what scoundrels have previously held the office in history. And yes, big business was mixed up with it then as well, and scandal. Ugh, it makes me queasy.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Coyote Breath as a Honored Guest (or somethi
Date: 07 Mar 16 - 05:27 PM

Is drumpf an arcane way of spelling frump? Beware. His mouth makes noises similar to those barked out a drunken tailgatings! he bruits what many feel. It is the tea party scam come home to roost. The Repulsicans are scared poopless that he will be nominated, they fearing Hillaryious outcome to November's nightmare. BUT (and that's a big but!) the Dems face a real shellacking if Trumpet runs against Hillary they will lose and we all will have four (or more) years of wonderfully insane governance. Probably revive the folk process to a level comparable to that pushed by the Great Depression and Prohibition. Hope we have an Uncle Dave clone in the wings.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Mar 16 - 07:06 PM

Two weeks ago I wrote a bastardized nursery rhyme ;

Trumpty Dumpty built a great wall
Trumpty Dumpty saw a great fall
All right wing horsemen and all right wing men
Couldn't wrest power from Trumpty again.


Its trending in some version on cable news to HBO.s The Circus today.


Bumper stickers that get sicker and sicker;

Vote for Trump 2016
or get a fist in
your face.

Vote Trump 2016
or we'll get you
out of here.

Vote for Trump
or I'll fuck you up

Vote for Trump or
I'll kill your family

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST, Richard Bridge etc
Date: 07 Mar 16 - 09:05 PM

Bear in mind that both Forest Drumpf's father and grandfather were sociopaths, financial terrorists, and oppressors, so maybe a time machine and three emasculations with blunt rusty saws, the first in the present and then working backwards would be a plan much benefiting society.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Mar 16 - 12:29 AM

Forest Drumpf was renown for starting the "Black Labs Matter" movement,

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 08 Mar 16 - 07:22 AM

From NPR's interview with Charles Evers:

MARTIN: May I ask - what is one policy change - as someone who voted for Barack Obama and now is supporting Donald Trump, what's the policy issue - the policy change - you would most like a potential President Trump to address?

EVERS: I don't know. I want him to be president of all the people equally. That's all I want everybody to do. ... I like Trump - just that simple.

To each his own.

BTW, I somehow neglected to mention the sole Republican candidate who really *is* qualified to be President (though personally I prefer Clinton: Governor (and former Senator) John Kasich of Ohio. His serious and low-key debate performances have been completely obscured by the extremism and low comedy of the Big G.O.P. Three.

Kasich, despite many newspaper endorsements (including the N.Y. Times), is at the bottom of the polls.

Short of a miracle, he will not be nominated.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 08 Mar 16 - 07:34 AM

Graphic content: NFTHI (notforthehumo(u)rimpaired)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: gillymor
Date: 08 Mar 16 - 08:07 AM

That is a hoot.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Mar 16 - 08:14 AM

TRUMP'S RACISM
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 08 Mar 16 - 08:38 AM

All Trump has to do is announce he will be selecting Kanye West as his running mate/VP; Kim Kardashian as Secretary of State; Martin Shkreli as Secretary of Health and Human Services; *Ann Coulter as Secretary of Defense; *Sarah Palin as Secretary of Defense; and get this, a quintessential stroke of genius (although modesty prevents my saying so), Chris Christie as Chief of Staff. It would be a landslide victory.

*Please note that there would be two SecDefs: one for even-numbered days and one for odd-numbered days. For the benefit of true Trump supporters, I'll explain. Even-numbered days are days that fall on 2,4,6,8,10,12 etc. Odd-numbered days are 1,3,5,7,9,11, etc.

Let's Make America Great Again.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Mar 16 - 12:42 PM

Global sabre rattling is effected by the Trump primary:

In response to another NK nuke test the Us did a flyby with military jets. Next we did maneuvers at sea. NK then threatened a nuclear strike on Soule and Washington DC. Media spies did not see any mention of the North Korean threats so they issued them again, with feeling.

This time cable news did provide a bottom screen scroll and scant mention of the re-issued threat.

What this tells me is that any threat against the US is seen as aiding the Trump campaign like the California shooting evidently did

We all know that the NK pattern is to threaten up to some point when
they get more aid or concessions.

Trump is interfering in that process and could change outcomes.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: keberoxu
Date: 08 Mar 16 - 01:35 PM

If Jurassic Park were the work of Donald Trump, what would it be like and who would be in it? Aside from Trumpasaurus Rex, that is? Who would be the compysauruses and the veciloraptors? And who would be the big vegetarian dinosaurs?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Mar 16 - 08:57 PM

Kasich is damned scary in his own way - it is only the contrast to loons like Cruz and Trump that he appears rational.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: gillymor
Date: 08 Mar 16 - 09:02 PM

I've gotten the same impression, Acme.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 08 Mar 16 - 10:27 PM

I just saw this old article/op ed piece from 2014. If any of you also missed it, it has some answers worth considering. Not about Trump, but about the people who'd consider him or his ilk as 'fit' presidential material. It is, imo, an accurate view of things. YMMV.

http://www.salon.com/2014/10/24/why_conservatives_prefer_propaganda_to_reality_partner/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflo

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Mar 16 - 11:58 PM

To confound the nomination process on the Democrat side, Clinton has won 95.3% of the superdelegates to Sanders' 4.7%, even though Sanders has won 42% of the delegates in those states that have voted, compared to Clinton's 58%. It is these superdelegates who ultimately decide who the Democrat nominee will be. Rightly so, Sanders is voicing his dissatisfaction not only with an economic system that favors the rich and disenfranchises the poor, but with a political system that favors a presumptive nominee over the voice of the Democrat voters.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/king-superdelegates-corrupt-tool-party-establishments-article-1.2555210

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Mar 16 - 12:49 AM

Greg F: "That's right, Goofus- the NY Times is a REAL newspaper, as opposed to...."

You must not (once again) be able to read or comprehend well..(not too startling)....it may be the NYE, but I said, "and for your 'source' you post a biased article from the OP-ED section of the NYT????"

Like most trolls and 'so-calleds' you can't distinguish an 'op-ed' from hard news???.....Perhaps you should cite your next 'source' from the comics....or even the coupon page!...Jeez!

Hoosier Mama: ".... The Trump phenomenon is backlash against decades of bank-owned candidates. As Edward Snowden said, the 2016 presidential election comes down to Trump or Goldman Sachs."

Mama's got it right!....BTW, Goldman Sachs has given both Hillary AND Cruz money!!!

There's no business like show business.......

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 09 Mar 16 - 08:58 AM

Trump has a self-sealing argument against Hillary.

Self-sealing and deceptive.

1. "She broke the law. She *viciously* broke the law."

2. "If she isn't charged or indicted, it will only be because the Democrats that control the Justice Department are protecting her."

3. Therefore, she's a vicious lawbreaker whether the FBI says so or not.


Indicted? Guilty! Not indicted? Just as guilty! And who can vote for a vicious lawbreaker?

Next case!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Mar 16 - 09:48 AM

Well, Goofus, I see you still haven't read and/or understood the article on question. Rave on.....

Oh, and say hello to Alex & Howard for me,eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Richard Bridge on the Intel Quad Core
Date: 09 Mar 16 - 10:44 AM

Are the aliens here yet, Goofball?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 09 Mar 16 - 12:19 PM

God bless hillary and bernie. Give me either

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Mar 16 - 02:00 PM

Been doing some reading on Mr Trump, his mother was the daughter of a crofter/fisherman from Stornoway district in the Isle of Lewis, a little place called Tong just a couple of croft houses when Mary Anne MacLeod decided to head for America.
Mr Trump has highland eyes and as guest says, he will have good strong genes.
Maybe he is the man to break the corrupt US political system...as well illustrated by GUEST (8 Mrch : 11:58pm)

If so, then all you liberals should be rootin' for him. :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 09 Mar 16 - 03:38 PM

>Maybe he is the man to break the corrupt US political system.

And how would he fix it, Ake?

Perhaps through his cult of personality?

Certainly there is no effective way to "fix" the system without suspending the First, and perhaps other, Amendments - something not even Trump's supporters would stand for.

Nor would Congress. Nor, presumably, would the "very, very conservative justices" he promises to appoint to the Supreme Court.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Mar 16 - 04:11 PM

Surely the system is very undemocratic Lighter, if the link supplied by GUEST is to be believed.....the issue of the "superdelegates" should be a matter of public concern?

Maybe someone like Trump with no need to rely on "establishment" money, would be in a position to lead a movement for democracy in US politics.....such a movement should be supported by all fair minded people.

From here the Parties seem to be simply divide and rule labels to confuse and enrage the electorate.....you can see the partisan nature of US politics on this forum, which is supposed to contain people of higher than average intelligence...with a few notable exceptions :0(.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Mar 16 - 04:24 PM

Electoral colleges seem undemocratic to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: keberoxu
Date: 09 Mar 16 - 05:00 PM

The electoral college makes me feel stupid....so, perhaps I am? Anyhow, the electoral college has been explained to me more times than I can count, and somehow the info just goes in one ear and out the other; I have no more grasp of it than I had before I was voting age.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Mar 16 - 05:07 PM

suspending the First, and perhaps other, Amendments - something not even Trump's supporters would stand for.

Don't bet a great deal of money on it - we're talking about the brain dead living in a fact-free environment.