BS: TRUMP [was: 'he's in the way of ME']

Subject: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 04 Apr 16 - 03:17 PM

Had the car radio on, just now, and heard this:

"He's in the way of ME."

If I told you who it is, the moderator would probably delete the darn thread.

But I just had to confide that to somebody. Thanks. I'll stop now, and you all do with the thread what you will.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Apr 16 - 03:28 PM

Is it I, Lord?

:-)

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 04 Apr 16 - 03:29 PM

Oh, well played!

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Raggytash
Date: 04 Apr 16 - 03:34 PM

Let it be Me ...........

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Raggytash
Date: 04 Apr 16 - 03:38 PM

With apologies to the Everley Brothers.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 04 Apr 16 - 04:36 PM

I remember that song!

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Apr 16 - 05:05 PM

I am Spartacus!

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: olddude
Date: 04 Apr 16 - 05:10 PM

It's all about that bass

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Apr 16 - 05:16 PM

Sounds like T***p on Kasich.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Apr 16 - 06:14 PM

Nah, its whatsit on thingy.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 04 Apr 16 - 07:00 PM

He could have said, "He's in my way." But noooooooooo....

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 05 Apr 16 - 01:21 PM

The state of Wisconsin is symbolized by a BADGER.
Badgers are notorious fighters.
What will the day bring?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 05 Apr 16 - 02:48 PM

Republican National Committee chairman Rience Priebus on CNN's "State of the Union:"

"Candidates have to watch their mouth." (Sunday April 3)

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Apr 16 - 03:10 PM

Wisconsin also elected the vicious racist jackass Scott Walker - so I'm somewhat underwhelmed.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: CupOfTea
Date: 05 Apr 16 - 05:51 PM

Greg, ah but there is a steady, dedicated group of singers who've been going after Walker for years, so there are some sensible people in Wisconsin. Pray they sang the truth to enough voting people, eh?

Joanne in Cleveland (appalled that her wretched governor looks good in the cops my he keeps now)

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 05 Apr 16 - 05:55 PM

Welcome, Joanne! Did you mean, in the company he keeps now?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Apr 16 - 06:11 PM

Hi, Joanne -

I KNOW there are sensible people in Wisconsin - Bob LaFollette love 'em - but currently the dumbasses seem to be outnumbering 'em.

This ain't just in Wisconsin - ignorant dumbasses, cultivated by the GOP for the last 30 years- are a major threat.

Keep up the good fight!!

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Apr 16 - 07:22 PM

I asked this of Bobert years ago, "are all the "arseholes"(dumbasses) Republicans?"

He answered in one syllable....."Yes"

Mind you, he had the humility and intelligence to put a smiley on the end :0)

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Apr 16 - 07:53 PM

Smiley or not, he was spot on, and that's a fact.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: CupOfTea
Date: 05 Apr 16 - 10:20 PM

Uh, yes, I meant the company he (Kasich) keeps. My eyepad otto krercts more times than I catch it before hitting the "submit" button. I keep coming back to how nasty dirty politics is, and that we might end up with a childish bully for president: just what I used to look ascanse at in other countries. Will surely be humbling if the dolt and proud of it group becomes the snotty voting majority.

Sigh.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Apr 16 - 04:32 AM

What I meant was, do all Americans vote strictly on Party lines?
That's the way it looks from over here, Republican voters and Democrat voter appears to really hate one another(i.e. Greg's comment), but basically there doesn't seem to be much difference between a Mrs Clinton and a middle of the road Republican.
The candidates themselves are a lot more insulting and personal than we are used to in our politicians....is this just to increase the "volume", make it look like THEY hate each other too?

Don't you all think that you might just be being conned by the US political establishment, into a situation where nothing changes except the label on the door of the White House?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Apr 16 - 10:09 AM

What I meant was, do all Americans vote strictly on Party lines?

No.

Do "Brits"?

Republican voters and Democrat voter appears to really hate one another(i.e. Greg's comment)

By their fruits ye shall ye know ignorant, uneducated, racist, fundagelical Republicraps. Guess you've not been paying attention to what the Republicrap Party has devolved into.

Don't you all think that you might just be being conned by the US political establishment, into a situation where nothing changes except the label on the door of the White House?

No.

If you can't see difference between the current Democrat & Republicrap contenders, you're more than blind.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Jeri
Date: 06 Apr 16 - 11:15 AM

Greg, I don't pay much attention to him. He's not a US citizen, he can't vote, and he mostly just comments from the peanut gallery.

He has no power at all unless you give him some by being provoked.

I hope Wisconsin was the turning point.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Apr 16 - 12:26 PM

Aye, Aye, Jeri. And/or 10-4. And I hope you're right about Wisconsin.

Best,

Greg

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 06 Apr 16 - 01:56 PM

An auto correct function on your I Pad did that to you? Sheesh. Glad I don't use one.
Well, the Badger hath spoken. This election is proving a drama-filled one. I still find it hard to believe that T***pasaurus Rex will end up in the Oval Office. Of course he would not bring Jurassic Park with him in any case, as D.C. has plenty of cold-blooded reptiles working there already.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Apr 16 - 05:19 PM

I don't agree Greg, I think there is much more difference between Mrs Clinton and Mr Sanders, both nominally Democrats, than between Mrs Clinton and a moderate Republican?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Apr 16 - 05:37 PM

You don't agree, and you're wrong.

PS: there is no longer such a beast as a "moderate Republican" and hasn't been for some time.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: olddude
Date: 06 Apr 16 - 05:43 PM

If he's in theway kick hhim in the balls

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 06 Apr 16 - 05:56 PM

you tell him olddude!

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Apr 16 - 07:55 PM

Ake, Americans keep trying to tell you how politics here work and you keep insisting we're wrong.

What's wrong with this picture?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Apr 16 - 03:10 AM

Well Acme, you Greg and Jeri are not the only Americans that I know.
I have several "real world" friends there AND a large extended family who have lived in the US for nearly one eighty years.

Does Jeri really think that Greg needs "provoking", that post was unworthy of someone who I supposed to be a mod?
There are still a few proper trolls here, but I have never been one, I am motivated by a real interest in US foreign affairs and the intricacies of the US political system.

It seems pretty bizarre to most people in the UK.
It also seems bizarre that people who continually press for public services and reform of the social system see any point in voting for a candidate who is wedded to the establishment and corporation interests, over someone who shows all the signs of being a real reformer?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Apr 16 - 04:57 AM

"He has no power at all unless you give him some by being provoked." Jeri.

Now where have I heard these sentiments expressed before? :0)
"don't give the bastard the oxygen of publicity"?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Apr 16 - 05:38 AM

Ake says: What I meant was, do all Americans vote strictly on Party lines?

I call myself a "radical moderate," but I guess I have to admit that many people think I'm a horrible liberal and don't deserve to live. I try to listen to all positions and understand and respect what they have to say. But it's been a long time since I've heard a Republican I could respect. When Bill Clinton was President, Republican House Speaker Newt Gingrich did his best to cripple the government. Then there was George W. Bush, who "never had a lick o' sense." And then there was the Tea Party and the concerted effort to block anything and everything President Obama attempted to accomplish. Obama did his best to take the middle road, but he was blocked in every direction he tried to go.

So, while I believe in a two-party system, I haven't been able to vote for a Republican in any two-party election. Occasionally, I'll vote a Republican primary ballot to keep a conservative extremist from winning the Republican nomination.

But once upon a time, there were moderate Republicans, people I might have voted for.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Apr 16 - 05:58 AM

By the way, it was Donald Trump talking about Kasich, who said "He's in the way of ME." (click).

I grew up in Wisconsin, so it's a place near and dear to my heart. But it's a hard state to figure out politically. For years, Milwaukee had Socialist mayors and loved them. But Wisconsin is also the home of Joe McCarthy. I worked as a summer camp counselor with a guy named Joe McCarthy who was a distant relative of "Tail Gunner Joe" - but my friend Joe got a job working for Ted Kennedy.

And then there was the La Follette family - they came from an era when Republicans could be progressives.

I grew up in Racine, which was in a solidly Democratic Congressional district until they elected Paul Ryan, who ran for Vice President and somehow became Speaker of the House and made John Boehner start to look good in comparison.

You can't predict what's going to happen in Wisconsin. And even now after the primary is over and Trump and Clinton lost, you can't predict what will happen in Wisconsin in the Fall.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Apr 16 - 09:30 AM

Thanks Joe. Just got in, I'll have a look at your links.
Sorry about being a bit snappy jeri.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: olddude
Date: 07 Apr 16 - 12:54 PM

Why does everyone pick on ake, he is a nice person and just has his political position. Greattthing about freedom is we are all allowed

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Apr 16 - 02:01 PM

Well, there are opinions........and then there are INFORMED opinions.

Just tryin' to school him, not fool him.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Apr 16 - 03:58 PM

I appreciate your help Greg....OUCH!! :0)

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: gnu
Date: 07 Apr 16 - 05:28 PM

"There are still a few proper trolls here, but I have never been one,..."

That's where I stopped reading because I was laughing too hard! Methinks thou protests like a broke-dick mamaluccas motherfucker. Apparently, you think those that you have badgered, maligned, trolled, and pissed on in sooo many past threads are as absent of mind as you are. Take your holier than thou sanctimonious bullshit and shove it up your ass.

Anyone can go back and read your inglorious history of posts to the very contrary so don't bother attempting to engage me in any discussion of my laughter. Twit.

gnightgnu

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: gnu
Date: 07 Apr 16 - 05:45 PM

The arse is outof er.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: olddude
Date: 07 Apr 16 - 06:41 PM

Oh yeah lunch with hillary tomorrow.. Love her

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: gnu
Date: 07 Apr 16 - 07:08 PM

Hillary? I feel The Bern. But, hey, I can't even vote down south.

You see me Yammie? My son... that could go! 450 four barrel.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 07 Apr 16 - 07:08 PM

On another thread, I wondered: does gnus pounce? Then I looked over here.

POUNCE!

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: olddude
Date: 07 Apr 16 - 08:14 PM

Hey gnu wanna go moose hunting with me this yea .. Serious

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Apr 16 - 03:49 AM

"pounce"......more of a wet flop!

Don't worry gnu, I learned long ago not to attempt to engage you in any kind of discussion.
I don't think I have addressed you on any subject for years, it would be nice if you could do the same for me.
Unless of course you have anything pertinent to say.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: olddude
Date: 08 Apr 16 - 01:57 PM

Gnu and ake, you both are going to walk funny with my foot up your ass if you two don't start being nice to each other.. Grrrr

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: olddude
Date: 08 Apr 16 - 02:03 PM

Don't act like trump

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 08 Apr 16 - 02:16 PM

Animal crackers! The one and only cereal that comes in the shape of animals!
So far there have been references to badgers, T***pasaurus Rex, cold-blood reptiles, gnus, moose, and....being snappy. Whatever it is that snaps. Turtle? Gator? And I take it that a Yammie is a firearm, not a tuberous vegetable?

Boom.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Apr 16 - 02:22 PM

I would consider that THE major difference between US politics and UK politics is that people who consider themselves "liberal" in the US would be seen in the UK as quite right wing, and thus natural supporters of our Conservative Party.

The US right wing as demonstrated by Trump is seen in the UK as being so far to the right as to be akin to the likes of Hilter and Mussolini.

I for one look on, not only bemused, but somewhat concerned that Trump should ever win the presidency.

Before anyone says it's nothing to do with me I'm afraid it is. The US has a controlling interest in the rest of the world

................ at present.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 08 Apr 16 - 02:45 PM

You meant Hitler?

Hilter Skilter?

Reminds me of George Wallace visiting Boston....yes, a long time ago.... he meant to say something about the Statler Hilton, maybe a function or a conference was being scheduled there. Can you guess what came out of his mouth instead?

Got it in one.

Oooh, now I just remembered the photograph of a Massachusetts native, grabbing George Wallace's hand and kissing it....I need to think of something else. Quickly.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 09 Apr 16 - 11:42 AM

Glad olddude chimed in on this thread; have noticed his posts on the deleted T***p threads, with his opinions of T***p-speak.

Fellow Mudcatters, if you want this thread not to be deleted, I fear you will have to calm down. Was it not the inflammatory posts that got those earlier threads put down?

I'm trying hard to think what to say to akenaton. Nothing wrong with asking questions, as per your earlier posts. Only, it seems like there ought to be a way to put the subject before the people to whom you direct the question, that is less provocative and more sympathetic?

Please consider the pressure that some of us are under, to conform and not rock the boat. Although I value the right to vote, and do so, I don't talk about whom I vote for or why. It would take a lot of unlearning on my part to break my silence, as it has been schooled into me. If that is cowardice, than I am a coward.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Apr 16 - 12:00 PM

T***p-speak.

That's T***p-Spew. Ditto Ru**o-Spew.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: CupOfTea
Date: 09 Apr 16 - 03:54 PM

Raggy,

Here is one American who fully endorses your right to an opinion on how a (Good Lord, please forbid) president Trump would be scary for the world as a whole. I thought the movement to have him banned from the UK was brilliant, though evidently not entirely possible. Having our first couple be a classic "Ugly American" with a second trophy wife ( with the only recently immigrated accent) would surely have diplomats the world around turning grey and living on antacids.

As America is slipping from the security of being the largest world power, handling that gracefully will be significant. A bully in the "bully pulpit" can make that a diplomatic horror. The dude is scary for thinking people of both major parties here, and *I* fear the popular tide of anti-intellectual sentiment may carry the day for him.

In Cleveland, there is an increasing bunker mentality, wondering what on earth are we going to have to deal with for the Republican convention, even more acutely, should you work downtown as I do. I wonder if there will be an uptick of the sort of declarations heard at other elections " if ______________ wins I'm moving to ______!!!"

I always did want to live in England...

Joanne in Siberia on the Heights
(seriously, it's April and I have 5 inches of very wet snow in the drive)

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Apr 16 - 06:36 PM

I always did want to live in England...

Should Trump win, there will be no place to hide, especially Great Britain.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Apr 16 - 07:22 PM

"Fellow Mudcatters, if you want this thread not to be deleted, I fear you will have to calm down. Was it not the inflammatory posts that got those earlier threads put down?

I'm trying hard to think what to say to akenaton. Nothing wrong with asking questions, as per your earlier posts. Only, it seems like there ought to be a way to put the subject before the people to whom you direct the question, that is less provocative and more sympathetic? "

Keep calm. Believe me, I've been there. Don't up the ante. You're too good.

Trump will not win. In fact, he's doing the world a big favour by keeping more credible GOP people out of the reckoning (which is saying very little indeed). Mrs Clinton is approximately the most uninspiring person on the planet. She is also very devious and dishonest. But she's the least likely person to get us into another useless war. She will do exactly what the world expects of a US president and she will have to put up with constant

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Apr 16 - 08:14 PM

Damn. Constant...? Heheh, dunno what happened to my post there, but I'll let you guess!

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: olddude
Date: 09 Apr 16 - 09:29 PM

Had lunch with her, she is certainly the most qualified and a friend. Bernie however is gaining steam but either of those two are better than any Republican running. Kasich is the most qualified Republican but apparently that is not what their party wants

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Apr 16 - 03:54 AM

Keberoxu...where the "liberal" left are concerned, I don't do sympathy.
They live in a Fairyland, in which they just love to talk about things like "change" and "egalitarianism"......yet when given the chance to actually do something they reject the Corbyns and the Sanders's........in favour of the Blairs and the Clintons.
As far as I can see, there is only one real choice available to the American people......Sanders or Clinton.....change or the status quo.

They are frauds, middle class well educated, comfortable frauds.

Just look at the attacks on social conservatives, or people of faith on these pages, perhaps you should try to promote a bit of empathy in the ranks of the "liberal" left

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Apr 16 - 12:03 PM

either of those two are better than any Republican running.

Hell, Dan, a ham sandwich is better presidential material than any Republican running.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Apr 16 - 12:55 PM

Ake, I wish you'd spend more time talking and fighting about politics in the UK and less about the US, where you are still clueless.

I don't know about that ham sandwich, Greg, but a should such a disaster as (shudder) President Trump happen, he would be impeached and indicted early in his first term, I'd put money on it.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 10 Apr 16 - 02:24 PM

well excuuuuuuuuuuse me...

my confusion, in my hopefulness I took the post questions to be "to me (and people like me who hold their tongues)". It appears the questions were not "to me" but "at them." I offered the word "sympathetic" and right away the questions stop and the name-calling starts. I can't even say which of the names has anything to do with my vote. That's me out of here.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 10 Apr 16 - 02:31 PM

Changed my mind again.

The OP started with Trump shooting his mouth off. But today...

Newspapers aren't my thing and I have not even seen today's Boston Globe (nearest megalopolis to me). But all I had to do was turn on the car radio, and the frigging news station thinks the Boston Globe headlines are news by themselves. A front page feature imagining Trump's presidency? Really? I'm not sure I even want to look.

It's like the media are competing to see who can be more embarrassing!

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 10 Apr 16 - 03:17 PM

No, I still haven't looked at the Boston Globe. Instead I looked at an online Associated Press article about today's issue of the Globe.

Seems this is the "Ideas" section of the Globe, whatever section that is, would not be the A-section up front. The articles on Trump in the "Ideas" section are said to be dated 9 April 2017, and the editorial comment is that they are "an exercise in taking [Trump] at his word."   

Still seems desperate for attention, this piece.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Apr 16 - 06:10 PM

"
well excuuuuuuuuuuse me...

my confusion, in my hopefulness I took the post questions to be "to me (and people like me who hold their tongues)". It appears the questions were not "to me" but "at them." I offered the word "sympathetic" and right away the questions stop and the name-calling starts. I can't even say which of the names has anything to do with my vote. That's me out of here."

I was going to ask what the above post means keberoxu, but I see you're "out of here".......if you come back perhaps you could explain.
My post in response to yours was an explanation of my impatience with left wing "liberal"......I have no idea what your personal politics are.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 10 Apr 16 - 06:28 PM

I should have kept my big mouth shut. I don't know what left wing liberal means anyway, so it wasn't about me, and wasn't my business in the first place.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Apr 16 - 06:55 PM

"Ake, I wish you'd spend more time talking and fighting about politics in the UK and less about the US, where you are still clueless."

Oh cheers, Maggie. And what exactly have WE done to deserve him! 🙄

Keberoxu, akenaton has a long history of inanity, delusion and downright confusion in everything he posts about. There's always one, isn't there? Your best bet is to engage either not at all or just when you need recreation. That's what I do. "Left-wing liberal" may well mean something or other, but you can be damn sure that it doesn't mean whatever he thinks it does.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Jeri
Date: 10 Apr 16 - 07:58 PM

Left-wing liberals are people that reject the Sanderseses. Just a little bit of irony for us...

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Apr 16 - 08:02 PM

Here in the UK we have a long history of thinking that anyone who calls themselves a "liberal" is actually a soft Tory. They may even wear sandals and munch nut cutlets.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Apr 16 - 03:03 AM

I think you all know exactly what I mean, it has been explained to you many times on these pages.
Without political change, the society you say you want will never be achieved
"Liberals" are more interested in "freedom to do unto others" than in any real changes in our society.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Apr 16 - 10:23 AM

Here, Ake, Educate Yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Apr 16 - 10:27 AM

OR HERE AKE

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Joe_F
Date: 11 Apr 16 - 09:02 PM

I wonder if ME stands for mechanical engineering. If so, whoever it is will probably get run over.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Apr 16 - 01:20 PM

I'm certainly not promoting the Republicans Greg, .... don't know why you linked to that.......The point I'm making is that the real choice is for the Democratic candidacy. Either will beat Mr Trump easily so there is no excuse for the Left not to vote for Mr Sanders who can provide the change you all say you want......You know what Mrs Clinton is, today Mr Obama said that Libya was the "worst mistake of his presidency".......a mistake forced upon him by his Secretary of State.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Apr 16 - 02:25 PM

[Libya]...a mistake forced upon him by his Secretary of State.

Nonsense.

Gee, Ake, and here I thought the Libya episode was a NATO operation. Imagine myy surprise to learn that it was concieved, planned, and carried out by Mrs. Clinton alone!

You know what Mrs Clinton is

Yes, indeed I do. But you don't.

Keep reading.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Apr 16 - 06:02 PM

Please address my point re Sanders/ Clinton, Greg.

Stop obfuscating.    Get a Grip!

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Apr 16 - 08:57 PM

You HAVE no point, Ake, re: Sanders/Clinton. Nothing to be addressed.

Educate yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Apr 16 - 10:21 PM

Yes, we know what Mrs. Clinton is. She is an experienced politician, an experienced statesman, a talented attorney, and many things more. Positive things. She has more experience than any other candidate in the race, and has lived a life in service to others. She is not a liar, she is not ignoring important issues to benefit others, but she is having to make choices. And that galls some, who can't understand that a life in politics is about making choices, and trying to compromise to get the best outcomes. We're not crowning a king or queen, we're electing a president.

Sanders is in lala land, making promises and offering solutions he doesn't have a remote chance of achieving. He's the old white man running against the first truly qualified woman candidate, and is benefiting from those who don't understand how government works and want his policies to come true (we all do, but it ain't gonna happen with this congress), or who have been scared away from Hillary by female-averse pundits.

Now stop bashing Hillary when you simply don't know what you're talking about. From Bill Moyers, a Republican journalist:

The Media Have a Hillary Story and They're Sticking to It: The Clintons have always been fodder for the mainstream media scandal mill and this year's election is no different.

As the media have fired their blunderbusses at Donald Trump, trying to take down his candidacy — even as they benefit from the attention he brings them — you may have missed the whacks they've been taking at Clinton. She has been the media's national piñata for so long, and the criticisms of her are so familiar by now, they are embedded in our consciousness as presumptions of guilt.

Of course, the basic narrative is that she did this to herself because she is a bundle of character flaws. She is duplicitous and untrustworthy. She lies. She is a pawn of the rich and powerful. She feels entitled to do anything she damn pleases. That pretty much sums up the media take on Hillary, and that take is virtually unanimous, so much a given that practically no one in the media has bothered to give it a second thought. This isn't the "sorta know" journalism I referenced last week. This is "we-all-know" journalism.

Except we don't all know it, and neither does the press. I hold no brief for Hillary Clinton or anyone else in the race. In the electoral hurly-burly, it is the job of every candidate to hold brief for himself or herself, and the media's job to examine that brief. Indeed, preordained, unexamined ideas are just another way the media continue to fail the public, and when it comes to Hillary Clinton, the failure is spectacular. The media needle has been stuck in the same groove for two decades. And she is not getting a reboot. . . .

Whatever her faults, what really hurts Clinton may lie not so much in herself as in a post-modernist fault of the media. First, they set up a narrative — typically the sort of novelistic narrative that will give reporters traction with their readers. Then they keep pounding on it, over years, so that, in this particular case, they aren't really reporting on Hillary Clinton anymore, they are reporting on their version of Hillary Clinton. The more they report, they more invested they become in their version.

Read the rest at the link. Ake, you don't know anything about Hillary, you just know about the headlines and the media hype.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Apr 16 - 03:04 AM

Thanks for that fair summary of your views Acme, I agree the Media are foul creeps and go in for distortion, but I base my views on serious UK commentators and film footage of which I have viewed personally.

"The media needle has been stuck in the same groove for two decades. And she is not getting a reboot. . . "
It seems to me that Mrs Clinton has been stuck in the same groove for two decades.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Apr 16 - 09:01 AM

The media needle has been stuck in the same groove for two decades

As have you, Ake.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Apr 16 - 10:48 AM

:0)....I've been stuck in the same groove for over six decades Greg, trying to expose people like the Clintons and Mr Blair, LBJ, Mr Bush, Mr Heath, Mrs Thatcher and all the others who kept this stinking system on the road!

I think at last things are starting to move as Western Corporate Capitalism collapses......we have Mr Sanders and Mr Corbyn giving the electorate the chance to vote for a different way forward. You can take donkeys to water but can you encourage them to drink?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 13 Apr 16 - 12:59 PM

You go, Bill Moyers!

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 13 Apr 16 - 01:03 PM

whoops.....I should have said, You go, Neal Gabler.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Apr 16 - 01:04 PM

You can take donkeys to water but can you encourage them to drink?

Absolutely correct.

And in this case, you are the donkey under discussion. And the answer is: apparently not.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 13 Apr 16 - 07:35 PM

Astrology only interests me when it is entertaining, and one fellow with a website, Michael Lutin, is nothing if not entertaining. He also copyrights his stuff. So:

the following quotes about the candidates are under copyright, 2016, to Michael Lutin.

Donald Trump, June 14, 1946
"In addition to adoring his natal Uranus rising just before the Sun --
the planet of madness, genius, and the uncontrollable urge to flip turtles on their backs just for fun --
he is deeply and sincerely fed up with the whole rotten system. President?
This Gemini would rather own a president than be one....
the eclipse in his eighth house is casting doubt on his sexuality, virility, and ability to perform.
Also, he is at the age when so many normal men hit the john seven times a night.
That could be what this whole thing has probably been about...."

No forecast whatever for John Kasich. Which in itself says something.

Bernie Sanders, September 8, 1941
"At fancy functions, Virgos are more comfortable out in the kitchen, hanging out with the help....When he goes all Einstein, however, he looks like a rabbi who's stumbled late into the wrong Bar Mitzvah....
If there's anything broken or screwed up, a Virgo is right there to help fix it -- and usually filling the air with an aroma of self-righteousness....
He's a dreamy idealist with down-to-earth belief in economics. And it's nice to see that at least one spirit from the '60's is alive and well. We have to hope that, at Woodstock, he didn't fall asleep under a tree [like Rip van Winkle]...."

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 14 Apr 16 - 11:11 AM

You forgot the other one Keberoxu :0).

"• "The whole Congress-health care fiasco was a disaster, partly because Scorpios do lack subtlety when they have a goal."
• "Scorpios always have not only Plan B, but they usually have it figured out all the way up to Plan Z." [Ed: From now on, your Plan C is "Cry."]
• "In the end, foreign or domestic policies notwithstanding, Scorpio always turns out to be an issue of gender. "
• "When situations are dire, enterprises failing, businesses stalling, empires falling and extinction is right around the corner, Scorpios get turned on. Only they can walk right down into the Valley of the Lepers with bagels and cream cheese and think nothing of it."
• "It should come as no surprise that Hillary Clinton came out swinging after her defeat in Iowa. After all, it was in the stars: she is a Scorpio and Scorpio rules the instinct for survival. Scorpio also rules cockroaches. Did you ever try to spray or drown them? They can hold their breath and play dead until you walk out of the kitchen and turn out the light."

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 14 Apr 16 - 11:14 AM

Copyright Michael Lutin....:0(

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Apr 16 - 02:00 PM

Interesting Viewpoint

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 14 Apr 16 - 08:14 PM

The Michael Lutin quotes on Hillary Clinton still hold current even though they come from dispatches some time back. The following quotes, however, are from his latest release.

[copyright Michael Lutin 2016]
Hillary Clinton:....this year, Chiron and the south node of the moon are in her solar fifth house:
She's got deeper emotional vulnerability which you'll never know about,
mainly because when there's a job to be done or a mortal crisis,
Scorpios privately clutch their wounds and carry on.
But don't be fooled: it's business as usual.
She can get pretty scary when Saturn and Pluto kick in.
Then she can smile for the birdie, while at the back of her head,
she's making an indelible list of who's been nice and who's been naughty. [endquote]

There is one other candidate under the Michael Lutin spotlight now.
Ted Cruz: December 22, 1970
Here's something many people don't know: he's actually a pretty creative and sexy guy, especially where nobody can prove it.
In a moment of pure soul, he might go to a party and run around in a toga with nothing underneath.
Go easy on Ted, though, if he's a little spooked about spending money, especially his own.
He's got a case of starvation anxiety that's absolutely genetic. Capricorns are famous for expecting nuclear winter, drought, and famine. So although they don't usually have a great time in high school, they save their money, so that later in life they are the people you go to when society collapses.
He has conflict about his background: he can haul out the native dress when it suits him, but is easily embarrassed about family.
The present retrogrades of Mars and Saturn gives all the manic liberals their chance to sneak around behind him.
But: As a Capricorn, he's remarkably (and to some, unbearably) persistent.
Jupiter approaching the top of Cruz's solar astrological chart always denotes a major career opportunity. So Cruz doesn't have to go home anytime soon. [endquote, copyrighted]

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 15 Apr 16 - 05:15 PM

I do have one wee question.

"Bill Moyers, a Republican journalist."

It was LBJ's administration that Moyers was part of, when he was young and getting his feet under him, wasn't it?

Lyndon Johnson, a Republican? I was pretty young at the time, but even I recall it differently....

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Apr 16 - 08:04 PM

Bill Moyers is a REAL journalist - possibly one of the last ones alive.

Dunno where that "Republican" crap came from- likely from a standard-issue brain-dead Republican.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Apr 16 - 09:54 AM

Moyers is a moderate Republican, a dying breed.

That was back in the days when it was more commonplace to have members of both parties in the cabinet and around the president, to get balanced information. The last couple of Democratic presidents have continued to do so, but it is less common when there is less civility between the parties.

LBJ was interested in having the Texan Moyers work for him, probably less concerned about his party affiliation. :)

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: olddude
Date: 16 Apr 16 - 11:37 AM

Hillary is possibly the smartest person I know.
She is also the most caring. Unless you know her you cannot knowhow wwrong the bs about her is

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: JHW
Date: 16 Apr 16 - 11:54 AM

Meteora concert April 29 Scarborough ME

wtf is ME

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Apr 16 - 12:13 PM

Moyers is a moderate Republican, a dying breed.

Rather, an EXTINCT breed. He WAS a moderate Republican with LBJ - today he'd readily disown the appelation, methinks.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 16 Apr 16 - 01:41 PM

JHW, you gave me a good laugh. He's in the way of Maine....

Seriously, though, this was well reported at the time. This was T***p waxing wroth with John Kasich, in public. For some reason, he could not say, "He's in my way."

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Apr 16 - 04:50 PM

In recent years he has discussed this on his blog. I think he still considers himself a Republican.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Apr 16 - 10:02 AM

I think he still considers himself a Republican.

HE may, but I don't. ;>)

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Apr 16 - 10:08 AM

But you don't count. When he goes to the polling booth he enters the Republican primary. He probably votes independently as far as the general election, considering his opinions. There just aren't enough moderate Republicans to make a difference these days. He might as well switch, but perhaps he holds onto his party affiliation as a matter of principle.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Apr 16 - 10:09 AM

JHW, you gave me a good laugh. He's in the way of Maine....

No, Paul LePage is in the way of Maine.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Apr 16 - 10:17 AM

perhaps he holds onto his party affiliation as a matter of principle.

That would be the antithesis of most everything he's stood for over the last quarter century.

And again: the "moderate"[sic] Republican is extinct.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 17 Apr 16 - 03:46 PM

"Six Ways Trump May Lose the Nomination by Blowing the Biggest Negotiation of his Life"

sorry for the absence of a link, this is the best I can do

http://www.alternet.org/print/election-2016/6-ways-trump-may-lose-gop-nomination-blowing-biggest-negotiation-his-life#37404758

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 17 Apr 16 - 05:54 PM

One other thing about astrological entertainment from Michael Lutin.

He has said, in the long run in US elected officials, keep an eye on Chris Christie who has a big future ahead of him.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Apr 16 - 10:33 AM

Chris Christie who has a big future ahead of him.

As what? A clown? Or a felon?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Apr 16 - 03:28 AM

Pat Henry, a prolific songwriter in Juneau, Alaska, has a new song out about "Trump in the Night". Scary.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 19 Apr 16 - 12:24 PM

Did you see the latest T***p gaffe? He was going on about the terrorist destruction of the World Trade Center in 2001, and he called the date "7/11."

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Apr 16 - 12:59 PM

Seven, nine, give the guy a break, they sould an awful lot alike.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 19 Apr 16 - 07:51 PM

And what is this about NY voters being purged, in their thousands, from the rolls?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 20 Apr 16 - 01:52 PM

I would like to see where Bill Moyers discusses whether or not a Moderate Republican is extinct. Searching his blog doesn't work though, because his online essays allow for comments, and what I search for doesn't discriminate between Moyers' essays and the comments from readers. Sigh.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 25 Apr 16 - 06:16 PM

Another Tuesday, another round of primary elections: five states this time, all to the NorthEast in the continental US. Here we go again.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Apr 16 - 07:29 PM

From where we're sitting in the UK, the Democrats are, more or less, fairly hard right, and there has never in the history of your politics ever been a Republican that could be considered "moderate." It's all relative, of course. I suppose that a Republican who isn't actually a xenophobic, warmongering Christian evangelist might be seen, at least on the Republican spectrum, as "moderate." But I can't think of many. Your Republicans are like our Tories: self-interested, big-business right-wing capitalists who believe in "freedom" for their own kind but to hell with the rest.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 26 Apr 16 - 12:11 PM

They're calling it the "Amtrak" primary.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 26 Apr 16 - 01:51 PM

....and in Baltimore, they are calling it the Freddie Gray election: it's the one-year anniversary. Only Bernie Sanders, out of all the presidential candidates, came to the Sandtown neighborhood where the rioting was.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: olddude
Date: 26 Apr 16 - 02:22 PM

Talkinghead on tv are lloving it

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Apr 16 - 08:18 AM

A footnote on the second degree murder of Freddie Grey;

His neck was broken by police before he ever was carried to the van.




Being from the area I watched the very first TV interviews by cub reporters before editors deemed it necessary to get involved.

In the interview of an eye witness, a black man in his seventies said "the police rolled Freddie up like a pretzel" to restrain him while waiting for the police van. Video of Freddie near his bicycle began after they unrolled him and the neck injury was apparent in his inability to walk.

The interview of that witness never surfaced again or referenced by the DA or anyone else in the media.






666666666666666

The stop Trump effort is now an official failure.

The illusion is that Americans are right wing but it is only an Illusion.

Many Americans are racists however, and find solace in the right wing support of those family inherited values of hate. Some of the racism is tribally overt and some is not even recognized in the behavior and belief by less strident practitioners of bigotry.

Ebbie can I hear the song?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Apr 16 - 11:41 AM

The illusion is that Americans are right wing

Some "illusion".

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Apr 16 - 01:32 AM

Greg, what I mean by right wing illusion is that they are not the silent majority they claim to be. They are the noisy nar' do wells that are angry that laws prevent there particular form of exploitation. Then there are the smallest minority of captains of Industry like the racist Koch brothers who are angry for the same reasons.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Apr 16 - 08:32 AM

Excellent speech from Mr Trump on American foreign policy, first time I have heard a US politician call for co-operation instead of aggression towards China and Russia.

He also flagged up the mistakes made by the last administration on Libya, Iraq, and Syria.

I'm beginning to think this guy may be good for world peace, though I disagree with him on economic policy.

He is certainly not the ogre that he is being painted on these pages and anyone who is serious about changing US foreign policy would do well to listen.   Mrs Clinton is a dyed in the wool "hawk" and will do the bidding of the corporate murderers.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Apr 16 - 04:12 PM

Ake, you still don't have a clue.

RE: Trump's screed speech, you need to remember that he can, and DOES, lie out of bith sides of his mouth at once and will say or do absolutely any thing if he thinks it will benefit him personally.


He is certainly not the ogre that he is being painted

No, he's considerably worse. He's setting the U.S. up for a real chance at a bona-fide fascist dictatorship.


Here, educate yourself a little:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/28/opinion/donald-trump-to-world-im-willing-to-walk.html

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Apr 16 - 05:08 PM

Well Greg, I think it was you who advised me not to believe anything I read in the NY Times?    I think you are probably quite correct going by that article :0).

Looks to me like the establishment running scared, incomprehensible scaremongering. The guy appears to have vision, something sadly lacking in politicians of Mrs Clinton's ilk.
All politicians lie, its part of the job.....does Mrs Clinton ALWAYS tell the truth? I was very impressed with Mr Trump's vision on US foreign policy........but the establishment must be shitting themselves. Look out for dirty undemocratic tricks to stop Mr Trump from gaining the nomination.......just like the thing you see in those nasty Fascist dictatorships you are always on about.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Apr 16 - 06:42 PM

Greg, I think it was you who advised me not to believe anything I read in the NY Times?

Absolutely not, never said any such thing - you're confusing the Times with Fux News[sic].

As far as the sad state of mega-corporate news is concerned, the Times is head & shoulders above most of the rest of the print tabloid BS and web nonsense news outlets.

The guy [Trump] appears to have vision


I'm assumng you meant that as a sick joke.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Apr 16 - 07:33 PM

No I didn't mean it as a joke, "sick" or otherwise.
Mr Trump has suggested building bridges between Mr Putin's Russia China and the US.....the only politician who has given the impression that they have even considered such a course of action.

The biggest problem to be dealt with at the present time is the rise of Islamic Fundamentalism and we should be presenting a united front against it, not issuing threats or attempting to intimidate those who should be our partners against the real and present danger.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Apr 16 - 09:22 AM

No, Ake, the biggest problems to be dealt with at the present time are ignorance and bull-headed stupidity and people like Trump pontificating about things of which they know bugger all.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Apr 16 - 09:05 PM

Trump is to politics what Snooki is to acting. She's on par with Trump. Maybe she could be his running mate. Seriously, they're both clowns.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: gillymor
Date: 30 Apr 16 - 07:18 AM

You're being awfully hard on clowns, Acme.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Apr 16 - 10:31 AM

Here, Ake, Educate Yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Apr 16 - 11:11 AM

If the shoe fits . . .

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Apr 16 - 04:48 PM

Greg, your link leads to a completely unbalanced view produced by a rabid "liberal" activist......hardly a serious journalist.

I do not expect politicians anywhere to be perfect, just perform their function to the benefit of society.

Mrs Clintons form is available and has been found wanting several times in office. Mr Trump at least appears to be willing to try to have an accommodation with those who Mrs Clinton pronounces our worst enemies.
If we are to defeat the evils of Islamic Fundamentalism we must turn these enemies into friends and partners.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Apr 16 - 06:14 PM

Greg, your link leads to a completely unbalanced view produced by a rabid "liberal" activist

Right. Sez you.

I repeat: educate yourself.

Or not- I really don't give a shit.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Apr 16 - 06:23 PM

I continue to shake my head at the nonsense you seem to think is rational, Ake. And dismissing The New York Times no less. I am so glad that you aren't able to vote in this election.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Apr 16 - 07:15 PM

Ake has been a Trump supporter for many months.
He will not push his heart's desire beneath the political waters with his mind, your mind or any rationality known at this point.

I warned many people about W but if they were in for a penny they were in for a pound. It took 12 years for most of W's supporters to finally change their mind. However it is considered rude to say "I told you so."

If trying to change his mind is your heart's desire, go for it.

It is true that Bullies tend to succeed in the short run.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 01 May 16 - 02:15 AM

Greg and Acme.....seriously, can you say that you thought Mrs Clintons support for regime change in Iraq and Libya was sensible?

Most People now agree that these measures led directly to the situation we now face in the Middle East and North Africa.
Mrs Clinton's foreign policy is flawed and dangerous, I am not a supporter of Mr Trump's economic policy, but at this juncture, warlike gesture politics must be opposed.

try to develop a bit of perspective and steer away from blind party politics.....or gender politics.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 01 May 16 - 06:14 AM

Don, I am not a "Trump supporter", I think he made a good speech and I like his views on foreign affairs.....which are all that really affect me as a UKer.

I also opposed regime change in Iraq as you did.......Mrs Clinton was an important supporter of regime change in Iraq and Libya.


"It is true that Bullies tend to succeed in the short run"
Could you please explain that statement, as I hope you are not suggesting that I engage in bullying.

A quick glance through this thread will quickly expose who is attempting bullying.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: gillymor
Date: 01 May 16 - 08:42 AM

It's encouraging to see all these young people showing up at Trump appearances to protest his hate speech. It's becoming reminiscent of spring of 1972 when another race-baiting presidential aspirant, George Wallace, showed up in my hometown of Wheaton, Md. and I joined a lot of other protestors, I think we out numbered his supporters that day, to express our disgust at his bigotry in a non-violent manner.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 01 May 16 - 09:01 AM

These "young people" are interfering with the democratic process which you pretend to believe in.

The purpose of these violent demonstrations is to get the political rallies or meetings abandoned and it is the job of the US police force to ensure this does not happen.

I am sure Mr Sanders "democratic socialism" is political anathema to most US conservatives, but they do not violently disrupt Mr Sanders meetings.

It appears Gillymor, that you are not a democrat in the true sense of the word?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 01 May 16 - 09:13 AM

Additionally, would it not be more pertinent for those "young people" to turn up at Mrs Clintons meetings to protest her support for regime change which facilitates the emergence of terrorism?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: gillymor
Date: 01 May 16 - 09:15 AM

Give Trump credit he, has gained the support of at least one long-established American institution.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 01 May 16 - 09:25 AM

Is that a fact?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: gillymor
Date: 01 May 16 - 09:34 AM

The last paragraph of that U.S. News article:

'Clinton has yet to address the unexpected new endorsement, but some analysts say Quigg's statements seem "suspect."
"Based on his past statements, it doesn't appear highly credible that he has changed his effusive allegiance to Donald Trump," Brian Levin, a former New York police officer who is director of the Centre for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University in San Bernardino, told the Telegraph. "The timing seems suspect. I think this is a function of not wanting to undermine the Trump campaign."'

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: gillymor
Date: 01 May 16 - 09:52 AM

The Incredible Trump

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 01 May 16 - 09:58 AM

Time you stopped reading comics Gilly! :0)

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 May 16 - 01:51 PM

OK, Ake, its hopeless, I give up. If you're going to stick to your compounded idiocies in the face of all evidence to the contrary (reminds me of The Professor!) there's no point mu continuing to bash my head against a brick wall.

So, revel in your ignorance. Have fun.

TTFN.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 01 May 16 - 03:07 PM

Whoa! Akenaton, what you asked Donuel to explain, may be, or may not be, as you suspect. You took his "bullies" opinion to reference you personally. That's your prerogative. However, he spent most of his post, not speaking of you, but of Dubya (unless I got it wrong, which I might have done). And when he went on to start a sentence with "Bullies..." my presumption, speaking for me, was that he was talking about the presidential candidates and NOT about you. Cool your jets...

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 01 May 16 - 03:37 PM

Maybe you're right K....wait and see what Don says.

Cheers Greg always nice to "chew the fat" with you. I've always thought you were sincere in what you say....good luck.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 01 May 16 - 09:20 PM

I am awkward. Bullies refers to Trump and his ilk.
Akenaton is a considerate complex human being which I know less than 50% by imagination and less than 1% factual.

Clinton believes that being a chicken hawk will make her a bold persona. Trump makes the same claims as Bush W, "we will not be the police to the world...", so he is trying to sound as though he is to the left of Clinton.

I don't believe a word of it.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 02 May 16 - 02:49 AM

Thanks Donuel and my apologies for my misunderstanding.
I should have known better, as it would have been completely out of character for you.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: gillymor
Date: 02 May 16 - 12:51 PM

Hands across the water.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 02 May 16 - 04:38 PM

"America First"

Has been a fascist calling card starting with Lindburg in the 30's and remains extreme right wing to this day.

I don't know what fascism without wholesale murder is exactly,
but I think it is not good.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 02 May 16 - 05:45 PM

Another week, another primary election....

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 03 May 16 - 03:33 PM

....but the primary election that people are buzzing about is California, one month from now.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 04 May 16 - 10:37 AM

I wonder if the penny is finally beginning to drop with the Democrats over the real fight, Sanders v Clinton?

Mr Trump must surely now get the Republican nomination or he will stand as an Independent and screw up the Republican campaign.
Don't underestimate this guy, he is shrewd and has the money to find out all the dirty secrets....he has played his role to perfection so far, now he will show a new characterisation.....Trump the statesman.

Don't be surprised to see Mrs Clinton withdrawing from the contest in a few months time.....on "health grounds".

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Vashta Nerada
Date: 04 May 16 - 10:46 AM

This discussion is in the BS section for a reason, and that is a steaming pile if ever I saw one.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Jeri
Date: 04 May 16 - 11:20 AM

Donuel, I remember Babylon 5 (TV series) did it in space with the "Earth First" nuts. It always comes down to "I got mine, fuck you".

Funny thing is, the people who "got" usually just got to wherever before others, and are playing some version of "king of the hill".

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 May 16 - 12:50 PM

that is a steaming pile if ever I saw one.

You talking about the ridiculous post, or Trump, or both?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 04 May 16 - 01:18 PM

I just discovered Joseph Trumpeldor, thanks to an old Mudcat Happy? thread. Far cry from T***p, he was.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 04 May 16 - 05:02 PM

Hillary Clinton as the Veep?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 04 May 16 - 05:05 PM

Well, if I had a vote I would certainly be casting it for Mr Sanders, but surely no one can seriously deny that Mr Trump has achieved an almost miraculous victory over 15 opponents and the might of the republican establishment?
Early comments here were that the man was a clown and would be swiftly removed.....so much for Mudcat wisdom.   More like wishful thinking. He is shrewd brave and rich with a few scores to settle
He knows that politics is a game and he plays it well. The number one rule is never alienate your core vote and Mr Trump consolidated his core vote. He now moves on to stage two which means all out attack on Mrs Clinton's record in office; and digging deep into her association with the political establishment and the financial corporations.
Be afraid,   Be very afraid!
He will also try to appeal to Democrats who don't trust Mrs Clinton and my folks in the US assure me that there are many of them.

This looks like being one of the most interesting elections in decades, but I notice a distinct lack of ideas or imagination from our resident Democrats.......just unfunny one liners.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 May 16 - 06:12 PM

Well, Vashta, the previous post is an even bigger stinking pile.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 06 May 16 - 11:37 PM

Old Franz heard ufo signals
He heard it on his radio
The one that he had invented
People thought he flipped his wignal

The I that can't see itself thinks
wordless thoughts that flow in the wind
Waves murmur melodies of "we"
Sometimes it shares secrets with me.

The blind may hear more than most souls.
The wordless see more than you're told
Like a blurred smear of future past
Some see through time that ever lasts.

We have abilities unknown
To transmit though space you can't see
So stop making fun of Tesla
Everything you use he conceived.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 07 May 16 - 04:24 PM

I still agree with astrologer Michael Lutin, who wrote of T***p:
President? This Gemini would rather own a president than be one.

I would rather not wish people ill. One reason I don't want to see the Presidency assumed by T***p is that I honestly think he would hate doing it! All that big talk is one thing, but does he really want to be ball-and-chained to the US Presidency for four years, one day at a time? Actually doing those things expected of the executive branch? I imagine him being much, much happier OUTSIDE the Oval Office, watching the President-elect, whoever it is, and snarking away at her or him. I imagine T***p spending the rest of his public-eye life, talking about the time that he talked his way through a presidential campaign, and lived to make a narrow escape from actually getting stuck with the office. Even I don't want to see a Chief Executive who is sorry he ever showed up for the job.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 08 May 16 - 03:38 AM

Just one small query K, why do you always refer to Mr Trump as T***p?
You seem to be posing as a relative neutral, but always address Mrs Clinton correctly. Do I detect a trace of psychological warfare?

Even the press and politicians seem to be according a bit of respect to Mr Trump's achievement in defeating all of the Republican opposition and garnering almost half of the US public vote in a head to head against Mrs Clinton, despite huge opposition from the media and the political establishment.

As Mr Sanders is doing rather well against Mrs Clinton in the last group of Primaries, why is there such a silence concerning his campaign on this forum?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 08 May 16 - 02:08 PM

That's in deference to Mudcat actually. It's because the previous threads with HIS name on the thread title, invariably got themselves closed. Guess it's only a matter of time until this thread gets closed as well.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 08 May 16 - 03:11 PM

Don't see why this thread should be closed, but I would appreciate a bit more input from US members, especially concerning Mr Sanders campaign and why he is not receiving more support here.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 May 16 - 06:12 PM

I would appreciate a bit more input from US members

Presumably so that you can disregard it out of hand.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: gillymor
Date: 09 May 16 - 08:13 AM

In a brief letter to Republicans Mac Stipanovich, a GOP consultant here in Florida, concisely explains the moral dilemma facing GOP voters this fall. (apologies for the C&P, I couldn't get a link that worked):


"Each of us wants to believe that if we were tested in some fundamental way when the chips were down — morally, spiritually, or physically — that we would pass the test.

But we do not really expect to be tested. That sort of thing only happens to people we see on television and read about in books, heroes and such. And if we were tested, surely we would know it. How could a literal moment of truth in our lives go unnoticed?

The answer is Normalcy Bias. That's the sense that this day, this problem, or, in the instant case, this election is pretty much like any other, different only in degree, not in kind, that everything will be alright, notwithstanding overwhelming evidence to the contrary, because everything has always been alright before.

We analyze, rationalize, and temporize until we fail the test by not taking it.

Make no mistake, we Republicans stand on the threshold of a fundamental moral test in the 2016 presidential election, a challenge so serious as to be existential. As Ronald Reagan said in 1964, it is a time for choosing, and the choice, while clear, is one Reagan could never have imagined.

Hillary Clinton on the one hand; Donald Trump on the other. Scylla and Charybdis. The Devil and the deep blue sea. Or so it would appear.

But appearances deceive. Hillary Clinton is in the minds of many conservatives an ethically challenged liberal, hatred of whom has become a reflexive part of Republican liturgy. But as flawed as she may be, she is different only in degree from past presidential candidates. She is business as usual concealed by a little progressive smoke here and a few populist mirrors there.

Donald Trump, on the other hand, is different in kind, and dangerously so.

On a personal level, Trump is a boor, a bully, a carnival barker, and an embarrassment. Politically, by intent or instinct, he is a neo-fascist — a nativist, an ultranationalist, a racist, a misogynist, an anti-intellectual, a demagogue, and a palingenetic (sorry) authoritarian to whom clings the odor of the political violence he encourages.

He appeals to our fears, preys on our anxieties, and exploits our ignorance. A worse candidate to sit in the Oval Office for the next four years cannot be imagined.

And he is our responsibility. We spawned Donald Trump; now we must stop him. We must deny him the presidency by not voting in the presidential election at all or voting for Hillary Clinton if conscience permits.

A drop of a few percentage points in the Republican vote for Trump will be enough, which is why the pressure to conform, to toe the Party line, will be enormous. We cannot depend on our elected leaders to lead us. They, for the most part, will fold like cheap lawn chairs, cowed by fear and fueled by ambition.

It's up to us. Each one of us is being tested, and the choice each of us makes matters, for ourselves, for our grandchildren. As bad as the cure for Trump's Caesarism will be for the Party and for the country, it will not be bad as the disease, and both will survive.

So if anyone asks you, "Et tu Brute?" answer proudly, "Damned right."

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 May 16 - 08:36 AM

Scylla and Charybdis. The Devil and the deep blue sea. Or so it would appear.

Actually, this is the classic "rock and a hard place" (the cliff or the whirlpool).

I would appreciate a bit more input from US members, especially concerning Mr Sanders campaign and why he is not receiving more support here.

Why bother? You have your intractable position and you're sticking to it. When it comes to Americans discussing American politics with a Scot . . . it's a colossal waste of time. You're not listening and you don't try to comprehend.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 May 16 - 08:44 AM

OK, Ake, Here You Go

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 09 May 16 - 11:45 AM

I'm not really interested in what the left think of Mr Trump or all the bullshit rhetoric......The fact that the Republicans are willing to vote for the Democratic candidate should surely tell you something, or are all these Republicans you have been reviling for so long, really thinking of the good of the nation......don't make me laugh;   politics is a stinking dirty game and Mr Trump is good at it.
The Establishment, Left and right are running scared, at last something radical could happen to upset the corporatism you have moaned about for years.

I would prefer to see Mr Sanders as president, but you people want to return the same again candidate.....war and more war, cold war and hot war.....Mrs Clinton is the candidate of the establishment, Mr Sanders is a real reformer, why do you liberals not give him your votes........you may never get the chance again.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 May 16 - 11:58 AM

Well se there, Ake: several problems.

1. Youre not interested in anything that contradicts your preconcieved notions.

2. If you could read, you'd know that:

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 May 16 - 12:06 PM

Ooops- premature postalization. Lets try again:


Well see there, Ake: several problems.

1. Youre not interested - period - in anything that contradicts your preconcieved notions.

2. If you could read, you'd know that:
    a. Its not "The Left" alone that thinks Trump is a racist, fascist, ignorant asshole, but a substantial number of Republicans as well.

    b. Its not "reheoric", its fact.

3. Its not "The Establishment" that's running scared- its the sentient- on the off chance that there are enough complete idiots in the U.S. to actually pot Trump in the Presidency.

Oh, and ditto the posts of Acme & Gillymor

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 May 16 - 12:09 PM

Finally, Ake, Trump is the apotheosis of Corporatism.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 09 May 16 - 05:05 PM

Chris Christie has returned to the background of the picture -- love him or hate him, I knew we had not seen the last of him.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 May 16 - 05:49 PM

Yeah, Christie's one of the un-dead.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: olddude
Date: 10 May 16 - 01:07 AM

Every circus needs his carnival barker

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: olddude
Date: 10 May 16 - 01:14 AM

Only in the
USA can a guy insult the population
And mmillions of
Dumb ass
PPeople will
SStill vote

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 May 16 - 09:55 AM

Its even better than that, Dan - all of these disaffected, angry folks supporting the Trump Thing have been voting Republican since the 1960's- supporting the very party whose policies and agenda have put them in the poor house.

Talk about Dumb-Ass.......

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: olddude
Date: 10 May 16 - 11:48 AM

That isttrue Greg, I cannot understand that, they are the ones most hurt by the policies but yet support them. I will never understand

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: olddude
Date: 10 May 16 - 11:52 AM

I have some very wealthy friends. I get it they get richer. But
MMiddlecclass
Or poor why

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 11 May 16 - 09:27 AM

keboroxu has discovered that it is cheaper and more reliable fo Trump to become President than to buy a President.

As I have said, the only thing more dangerous than a man with unlimited resources but without a conscience, is a man with nothing to lose.

Trump is both!

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 11 May 16 - 11:46 AM

Still no answers to the Sanders/ Clinton issue....is there really no one on this forum who is willing to admit to voting for the reformer?

Calling Mr Trump nasty names is indulging in the same behaviour that you censure him for and he has the excuse of being involved in a complicated and dirty game.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 May 16 - 01:54 PM

Calling Mr Trump nasty names...

No one is calling the Trump Thing "nasty names" Ake. That is, unless you find facts and truth "nasty".

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 11 May 16 - 02:37 PM

I voted for Mr. Sanders in the primary. I will vote for him again if he gets the nomination. If not, I will vote for Mrs. Clinton. She is not my ideal candidate. So what? She's better than Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 11 May 16 - 04:46 PM

Reality can be ironic. The mayor of London may be the one man who disgraces the Donald worldwide.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 11 May 16 - 04:46 PM

Reality can be ironic. The mayor of London my be the one man who disgraces the Donald worldwide.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 11 May 16 - 04:46 PM

Reality can be ironic. The mayor of London may be the one man who disgraces the Donald worldwide.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 11 May 16 - 04:46 PM

Reality can be ironic. The mayor of London may be the one man who disgraces the Donald worldwide.

Google Demigod and the Donald is right there.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 13 May 16 - 03:19 AM

thanks for the straight answer BWL, but you do seem to be in a minority here, which is surprising considering that this is suppose to be largely a left of centre forum.

The real issue for those on the left is whether to make a start on reforming the corporate system or to stick with the established candidate who is linked to big business and global capitalist interests.
Nothing wrong with your stance which is to support Sanders, but switch to Clinton as a means of stopping Trump. However, latest polls show Trump and Clinton about neck and neck for the presidency (with a don't know ratio of about 18%), while Sanders v Trump polls show a easy victory for Sanders.

Why are you in a minority of one here?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 May 16 - 08:52 AM

a easy victory for Sanders.

Not in this world.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: CupOfTea
Date: 13 May 16 - 09:25 AM

Gillymore's post of May 9 pointing out the Republican dilemma was spot on, from what I'm seeing. I work with some hard core conservatives (Catholic clergy) and a recent conversation with one who, in the past, has had nothing but vitriolic negative comments about "that Hillary" stunned me entire. "I hate it, but it looks like I may have to vote for Hillary." Her stance on choice/abortion/however you designate it is a big stumbling block, but viewed against all the problems he can foresee with Trump being in power, he is seeing her as the only rational choice.

I never thought I'd live to see the day. Now I'm praying that there are more thoughtful Republicans who come to this same conclusion to outnumber the pugnacious anti-intrllectual masses. A half-hearted vote is counted the same as an enthusiastic one.

In the humorous aside category: I have a subscription to THE PUT IN BAY GAZETTE, a monthly newsletter from one of the Lake Erie islands, 40 miles south of Peele Island. The April (fools) edition was full of articles about how this nearby Canadian island was gearing up for the tide of immigrants fleeing a Trumped America, with realistic sounding bureaucratic details. Had me wondering, how much in jest was it, really? Becoming Canadian would be SO much more attractive if they weren't that much colder/ more northerly.

Joanne in Cleveland who will nowgo on to worry about local candidates

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 13 May 16 - 03:43 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmH42sWoQK4

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 13 May 16 - 03:47 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmanuxq3PEM

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 13 May 16 - 04:03 PM

I'm seeing quadruple, Donuel.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 13 May 16 - 07:48 PM

Verizon narrows the band width of mudcat since it is not a big corporation. On my end I get a message that the message did not go through. In reality they back up in que. After the internet rush around 4-6 PM passes, the bandwidth is more equal.
Multiple consecutive posts are often trimmed by the moderator.

Internet equality is now a figment of the past. Big biz won.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 22 May 16 - 04:22 PM

At least now I can log in....yesterday my repeated attempts to log in met with failure.

June 7 is a little more than two weeks away: that's the primary election in California and will be a big one for the presidential, erm, surviving candidates.

I used to live, not in California, but in a state not so very far from it. The primary was so late that most candidates had quit by then. I wanted to write one of them in anyhow, in one presidential election year. I said so at the polling place. No, the attendants said, in this state you may not write in a candidate for the US Presidency, but you may write in a candidate for the state Congress if you wish....I was SO ANGRY.

I don't live there anymore.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 22 May 16 - 06:05 PM

Trump has a select intelligence that includes the grand manifesto of TV reality truthinesss and factoids.
He knows that goats don't scape themselves.
He knows no soldier dies in vain in a war that never ends.

He knows that women will subjugate themselves as long as he alone defines them.
Trump on women; "Women are hugely irrational that's all there is to that. Their heads are full of cotton, hay and rags! They are nothing but exasperating, irritating, vacillating, calculating, agitating, maddening and infuriating hags. But their tits and ass are stimulating as long as they aren't fat."

As long as Trump calls Hillary a whiney little gun hating bitch, he will define her like herpes that never goes away.

If you do not like Trump you can put your faith into America's shadow government which is already the most powerful anti democratic foundation of neo fascist ideals. They appear to have a beautiful symbiotic friendship even before all the poison hatches out.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 May 16 - 08:40 PM

Trump has no intelligence whatsoever.

Even less his supporters and acolytes.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 May 16 - 08:40 PM

Trump has no intelligence whatsoever.

Even less his supporters and acolytes.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 23 May 16 - 12:25 PM

Apparently the latest polls suggest that in a head to head for the presidency Mr Trump would beat Mrs Clinton.
Mr Sanders is still well ahead of Mr Trump in a two horse race.

Do you think the 500 of so "Democratic Super Delegates" will switch to Mr Sanders when they smell the coffee?.....Or do they just dislike democracy too much?
The Guardian.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 May 16 - 12:31 PM

Apparently the latest polls suggest that in a head to head for the presidency Mr Trump would beat Mrs Clinton.

Apparently the polls are full of shit. As are the Trump and his supporters.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 23 May 16 - 02:44 PM

According to www.thehill.com, there is something called the Republican Muslim Coalition -- this is the first I had heard of it -- that wants Donald T***p to sit down with them face to face. Might it happen?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 23 May 16 - 04:44 PM

Greg, stop the fooling around, can the "Super delegates" switch to Mr Sanders or are they locked into Mrs Clinton.

I'm really interested.....we don't have anything like this in the UK.
DMG said that the Democrats don't do this super delegate thing and it was only the Republicans who were undemocratic.....what's the true story?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 23 May 16 - 11:59 PM

Super delegates are party big wigs & big donors selected by the party to be big rubber stamps for the party.

The likelihood that they have an independent bone in their body is a fat chance, slim to none.

In other words they are paid to not have a democratic choice.
A super delegate is supposed to voice the party's will above all else.

Technically they could go against the party just like a ho could keep money from the pimp.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 May 16 - 12:03 AM

The super delegates switched to Obama when he first ran in 2008, but it takes quite a magnetic shift to turn their vote. Bernie isn't anywhere close to that, he's simply hopeful. He's a nice guy, and he's done a lot of good to move Hillary to the left, but he needs to figure out when to make the graceful exit, lick his wounds, then come back swinging to defeat Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 24 May 16 - 02:49 AM

Without the Super Delegates, Mr Sanders and Mrs Clinton would be almost neck and neck for the nomination......with the momentum in Mr Sanders favour. Also the polls show that Mr Sanders stands a much better chance of defeating Mr Trump in a Presidential election.

I would call that a pretty obvious change in voters intentions from those at the beginning of the nomination contest?
If what Don says is true the SDs will swiftly move to a position which benefits the Party.......Of course, what benefits the Party does not always benefit the electorate!

Why do I care?.......American Foreign Policy......War or Peace.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 24 May 16 - 11:13 AM

Check out the most recent show by John Oliver.

Its about changing the super delegate fiasco.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 May 16 - 03:18 PM

Why do I care?

More pertinently, Ake, What do you Know?

Bugger-All.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 24 May 16 - 03:32 PM

According to the Waternoose poll, Trump is now leading Clinton by double digits.

The new anti Hillary ad is credited for the surge.
In the ad Trump's campaign highlights Bill Clinton's peccadillos and the death of Vince Foster.

When asked about the peccadillos, Donald Trump said " I don't know anything about pecker dildos but everyone knows about murder."

Trump's new pollster Thirsten F. Waternoose is known for the Bush campaign where he was quoted saying "I don't care if I have to fake a thousand polls if it will save this country".

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 25 May 16 - 07:35 PM

My home was in Albuquerque, New Mexico for a number of years. Oh, the shame. Rock-throwing protesters....children are indeed raised better than that there.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 May 16 - 11:21 AM

Rock-throwing protesters

As opposed to punch-throwing Trumpistas?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 26 May 16 - 08:11 PM

I expect a militia ill publicly endorse Trump.

The one I am thinking of is called the 3%.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 27 May 16 - 02:34 AM

First time for a while that we have seen democracy in action in US politics.........sort of exposes the hypocrisy on the left.

Supporting Fascist rioters is not the way forward.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 May 16 - 07:57 AM

Supporting Fascist rioters is not the way forward.

Then why is Trump supporting them, Ake?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: gillymor
Date: 27 May 16 - 12:21 PM

Violence begets violence and Mr. Trump, which his hate speech and his incitement of his own supporters, has brought this on.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 27 May 16 - 12:33 PM

Rubbish, he has played a massive game against all odds.
Everything legal and above board, no violence at Mrs Clinton or Mr Sanders meetings.....the "liberal" left does not like democracy when they are on the wrong end.

Anyway the man has earned his nomination, now who can beat him for the Presidency.....not Mrs Clinton I think....too much establishment and corporate baggage, too much reliance on war and bombing to solve complicated foreign policy problems. She is a menace to society.

Can the left stand up for a watery socialism, which they continually expound?.......again I think not.    Looks like Mr Trump has the momentum......and the political acumen......we shall see.

Have a nice day.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: gillymor
Date: 27 May 16 - 12:38 PM

Do a little research,

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Jeri
Date: 27 May 16 - 07:59 PM

I'm thinking the whole fear-based voting thing is going to wind up working against T****p when people have the chance to seriously consider what a world with a racist, sexist, selfish, crooked, wannabe Nazi as president might be like. Bernie could beat him, Hillary could beat him, and I bet Chongo could.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 May 16 - 09:08 PM

Jesus. Yankee politics is utterly infantile. I hasten to add that UK politics isn't much better. Roll on the Boris/Donald axis! We should take comfort from the fact that President Donald wouldn't have a cat in hell's chance of actually doing anything as president. Lame duck from day one. Everybody who is anybody in US politics hates his guts. We'll be fine. The world won't move on but we'll be fine. Hillary would be similar. Shackled from day one. Over three hundred million people, yanks, and bloody Hillary is the best you can come up with. It's all actually very uninteresting. The most interesting thing about this thread is that akenaton is acting true to form. Losing it. Deluded and demented. Sad case.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 28 May 16 - 02:24 AM

"Deluded and demented".......unprovoked personal attack!

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 May 16 - 07:55 AM

Rubbish, he has played a massive game against all odds....

....the "liberal" left does not like democracy when they are on the wrong end...

....Anyway the man has earned his nomination.....

....not Mrs Clinton I think.... She is a menace to society.

I rest my case. Totally bonkers.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 May 16 - 08:50 AM

ere's your "Everything legal and above board" corporatist boy, Ake: lying sack of poop that he is....

FRESNO, Calif. (AP) — Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump told California voters Friday that he can solve their water crisis, declaring, "There is no drought."

California is, in fact, in midst of a drought. Last year capped the state's driest four-year period in its history, with record low rainfall and snow.

Speaking at a rally in Fresno, Calif., Trump accused state officials of denying water to Central Valley farmers so they can send it out to sea "to protect a certain kind of three-inch fish."

"We're going to solve your water problem. You have a water problem that is so insane. It is so ridiculous where they're taking the water and shoving it out to sea," Trump said at a rally that drew thousands.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 May 16 - 09:24 AM

Yup, Everything legal and above board, Ake:

Trump has called climate change "a total hoax," "a canard" and "a total con job" — his words.

But if Trump won't pay a visit to reality, reality may soon pay a visit to him. He acknowledged this in his filing to build a giant sea wall to protect one of his golf courses in Ireland "from global warming and its effects." Perhaps he'll get the ocean to pay for it.

The presumptive Republican presidential nominee recently named a leading climate-change skeptic, Representative Kevin Cramer, Republican of North Dakota, as an energy adviser. "We know the globe is cooling," Cramer said in 2012. It takes at least $500,000 — the amount of money given Cramer's campaigns by the fossil fuel industry — to buy that kind of crackpot theorizing.

Trump has made similar scientifically illiterate statements. And during a campaign stop at a petroleum conference in North Dakota Thursday, he sounded ever more troglodyte, lying about the Paris accords and promising to bring back the Keystone XL pipeline.

But in protecting his sizable investment on the Irish coast, he's putting his money where his mouth isn't. Moving 200,000 tons of rock in place to block a rising sea says far more than the vapors of ignorance emitted by Trump at the podium.

Timothy Eagan NY TIMES 27 May 2016

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 May 16 - 09:29 AM

So, akenaton, not as big a menace to society as Hillary then. Admit it - you've finally lost it. And that isn't a personal attack. It's an expression of sympathy.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 28 May 16 - 11:44 AM

Ake, keep going. Everything you say about Trump and the direction he will lead us with the fundamental wisdom of his policies and behavior is true
of the way all Trump supporters speak, think and engage.

Therein lies the rub.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 28 May 16 - 12:15 PM

Well, I am not a supporter of Mr Trump's economic policies, which do not diverge much from that of Mrs Clinton....I prefer the views of Mr Sanders, but I have been saying for months that Mr Trump was a serious player and certainly not the idiot he has been painted by you lot.    I don't believe in the Capitalist system, especially one in terminal decline, but if I did Mr Trump would be the man I would vote for to lead the country.....his ideas on détente with Russia and China to improve trade and stop the continual ideological war, seem like common sense.   The man is a pragmatist with a very shrewd political brain.

There cannot be any skeletons lurking in Mr Trump's as is the case with Mrs Clinton; if there had been the media ferrets or the political establishment would have attacked long before now.

The American left still have one chance, lobby the Democrats to drop Mrs Clinton and give the nomination to Mr Sanders......he alone can defeat Mr Trump.......but given the political system they have to oversee, I am unsure who would be the best long term bet.

Steve, as you appear to have no understanding of politics, excuse me if I fail to respond to your nonsense.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 May 16 - 12:37 PM

Today is being so much fun. Akenaton and Keith, never leave us, please. You make us feel so good about ourselves. 😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 28 May 16 - 01:34 PM

You must be a masochist Steve.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 May 16 - 01:35 PM

Mr Trump's economic policies, which do not diverge much from that of Mrs Clinton's

Bullshit.

not the idiot he has been painted by you lot

Bullshhit. Got any evidence?

There cannot be any skeletons lurking in Mr Trump's

There are several metric tons of such skeletons accumualated throughout The Incredible Trump's decades long career as a crook, manipulator, and generallly ignorant piece of fascist shit. Educate yourself.

Steve, as you appear to have no understanding of politics

Not sure if I should laugh at that statement, Ake, or just puke.

Or both?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: gillymor
Date: 28 May 16 - 02:44 PM

Herr Trump is no idiot, he seems to be expert at appealing to peoples' basest instincts for his own political gain.

He also has the ability to spin on a dime in one sentence:

"I'm not advocating guns in classrooms," he reiterated. "In some cases — and a lot of people have made this case — teachers should be able to have guns, trained teachers should be able to have guns in classrooms."

Huffington Post 5-22

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 May 16 - 03:53 PM

This hot mess of a thread hasn't died off yet?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 28 May 16 - 07:06 PM

Scholars of fascist politics have remarked previously that America has been fortunate for most of its history not to have had a fascist figure rise out of the ranks of American fascist movements. And in the case of Donald Trump, that remains true - he has no background or history as a white supremacist or proto-fascist, nor does he actually express their ideologies.

Rather, what he is doing is mustering the latent fascist tendencies in American politics - some of it overtly white supremacist, while the majority of it is the structural racism and white privilege that springs from the nation's extensive racist and genocidal white-supremacist historical foundations - on his own behalf. He is our Pied Piper leading us down the path towards a fascist state even without being himself an overt fascist.

That being said we should use our psychological X ray eyes to peer into the motivations of Trump as we have W, Obama and the Clintons.

W had a chip on his shoulder for having his father called a wimp, Obama would make sure he would never be accused of the stereotype of being an angry black man. The Clintons have always been assured they could easily bamboozle people after their experience with the good people of Arkansas.

Trump is motivated by a get even mentality. His idea of a deal is maximum exploitation. In a nuclear age how will that play with the cultures that view America with paranoia and evil incarnate?

I challenge you to compare and contrast FDR and his "Freedom from" speech" with anything Donald has ever said.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 29 May 16 - 02:54 AM

I can agree with some of that Don, but the summation is that politics is a game of manipulation, no matter who is doing the manipulating.

From the establishment, the biggest weapon is always "fear", fear of the future, fear of losing "rights", fear of losing the little "financial security" that we have managed to garner, no matter how small or insignificant it may be.

"The People" is certainly a beast of muddy brain.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 May 16 - 09:16 AM

no background or history as a white supremacist

Hmmm. Lets see. A buddy of David Duke's. Mexicans are all rapists and murderers. Muslims worse. & etc.& etc.& etc.& etc.& etc.

Guess you haven't ben paying attention?

a beast of muddy brain

"The People" ain't alone, Ake.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 29 May 16 - 12:25 PM

Those wo study fascist politics have remarked previously that America has been fortunate for most of its history not
to have had a fascist figure rise out of the ranks of American fascist movements. And in the case of Donald Trump,
that remains true - he has no background or history as a white supremacist or proto-fascist, nor does he actually express
their ideologies.


Rather, what he is doing is mustering the latent fascist tendencies in American politics - some of it overtly white supremacist,
while the majority of it is the structural racism and white privilege that springs from the nation's extensive racist and
genocidal white-supremacist historical foundations - on his own behalf. He is our Pied Piper leading us down the path towards a
fascist state even without being himself an overt fascist.

That being said we should use our psychological X ray eyes to peer into the motivations of Trump as we have W, Obama and the Clintons.

W had a chip on his shoulder for having his father called a wimp, Obama would make sure he would never be accused of the stereotype of
being an angry black man. The Clintons have always been assured they could easily bamboozle people after their experience with the good people of Arkansas.

Trump is motivated by a get even mentality. His idea of a deal is maximum exploitation. In a nuclear age how will that play with the cultures
that view America with paranoia and evil incarnate?

I challenge you to compare and contrast FDR and his "Freedom from" speech with anything Donald has ever said.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 May 16 - 07:35 AM

Here's your boy again, Ake -

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel called a "hater" by Donald Trump for his handling of a lawsuit related to the businessman's Trump University real estate school, has unsealed documents related to the case.

Trump, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee for the Nov. 8 election, is fighting a lawsuit that accuses his school venture of misleading thousands of people who paid up to $35,000 for seminars to learn about the billionaire's real estate investment strategies.

"I have a judge who is a hater of Donald Trump. A hater. He's a hater," Trump said. "We're in front of a very hostile judge. The judge was appointed by Barack Obama," Trump said, adding he believed Curiel was Mexican.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 30 May 16 - 11:12 AM

This hot mess of a presidential campaign hasn't died off yet? Maybe it has, if you read some of the posts then it's all over but the shouting. Oh, Lord, the shouting.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 30 May 16 - 11:46 AM

Yes you will suffer political fatigue before its over.
Germany did, England did. Russia did at the greatest cost of all.

But it is important. More important than you seem to know.

If you still have doubts, ask an old Jew.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 May 16 - 12:26 PM

Hey Ake, your lying sack of crap "legal and above board" hero strikes again!

Donald Trump a conquering hero for bikers at Rolling Thunder rally.
Ben Jacobs in Washington
Sunday 29 May 2016


Among thousands of blue-collar bikers wearing patches that called Jane Fonda a traitor, Donald Trump was received rapturously.

On the Sunday of the Memorial Day weekend, the Republican presidential nominee attended the Rolling Thunder rally, a huge gathering on the National Mall in Washington DC. Speaking to a crowd that spilled down the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, he was received as a conquering hero.

Trump repeatedly claimed – falsely – that hundreds of thousands were trying to attend the event, at one point claiming there were "600,000 people trying to get in".

The crowd had been primed by a one-term congressman from New York, John LeBoutillier, who insisted in his own speech that hundreds of American prisoners of war were still being held in Vietnam. LeBoutillier also echoed Trump's infamous criticism of one prisoner of war who was held in Vietnam, in terrible conditions, and then came home: John McCain.

Repeated congressional investigations have found no evidence that any living prisoners of wars are still held in south-east Asia.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 31 May 16 - 02:31 AM

I find the workings of American politics fascinating.
I'm amazed that more American voters are not writing about the Super delegates issue.
It does seem very undemocratic.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Jun 16 - 09:29 AM

Yup, Ake - legal and above board, you bet:

Ex-Workers at Trump's School Call It a 'Lie' and a 'Scheme'

In testimony released from a lawsuit that was filed by dissatisfied former Trump University students, former managers said the school relied on high-pressure sales tactics and deceptive claims.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/01/us/politics/donald-trump-university.html?_r=0

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Jun 16 - 10:13 AM

"I'm amazed that more American voters are not writing about the Super delegates issue."
'Akenaton'

I am amazed that you have read, watched and heard everything regarding this issue that is being exhaustively examined in America.








Is it true that Britain still has a collective of Olde German enthusiasts that range from the Anglo Saxon to the closeted Nazi sympathizer?

I would not be surprised if some here had a special red white and black memorabilia collection packed away.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: gillymor
Date: 01 Jun 16 - 11:12 AM

Trump and the Veterans

At this point in the campaign the most pertinent question to me is how do we keep this pathological liar from gaining the White House.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Jun 16 - 12:15 PM

Don, when I said that I was surprised more were not writing about the "super delegate issue", I meant on Mudcat.
If this chicanery was going on in the UK, there would be massive protests.

Do you really think Mr Trump is a fascist,or that UK members of this forum have Fascist sympathies.......if so, I'm afraid you are getting a bit carried away.

Cool down and be reasonable, there are many more "fascist" ideologues in the left of politics than there are amongst conservatives.
I have studied them for years......look at this forum and see who the most rabid ideologues are.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Jun 16 - 12:25 PM

Do you really think Mr Trump is a fascist

Yes, and you would too, Ake, if you were paying any attention at all.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Jun 16 - 12:43 PM

If the Trump Thing were merely a pathological liar, things wouldn't be quite so bad as they are, Gilly.

Dick Nixon was a pathological liar & we survived him - barely; Trump is very, very much worse.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: gillymor
Date: 01 Jun 16 - 01:00 PM

Agreed, Greg, the reasons to stop Trump are manifold and I think we've just seen the tip of the iceberg on this Trump U. scam.
Herr Donald is now experiencing the flipside of "unprecedented media coverage" and will all summer, much to his chagrin.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jun 16 - 11:01 AM

No Ake I am not crazy or angry. If I settled down any more I'd be dead. While people who know little about fascism do not consider themselves a Nazi sympathizer they may have some sympathetic ideas they themselves are not aware. It begins small like an increase in name calling and bigotry.

If you wanted immunity from becoming a TRUMP MINION you would have done it by now.
Immunity begins with considering that it is you who may be wrong about something.

I have already written about Trump's disposition on fascism and his relationship with fascists.

The dangers of a narcissist like Donald flirting with such factors is considerable.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Jun 16 - 09:52 AM

You bet, Ake! Your boy's not racist & everything he does is "legal and above board".

Trump launches race attack on judge in fraud case

Thursday 2 June 2016

Donald Trump has stepped up his attack on the federal judge presiding over the Trump University fraud case, telling the Wall Street Journal that Gonzalo Curiel's assignment to the case represents "an absolute conflict" because he is "of Mexican heritage".

A report from the Associated Press published on Thursday evening revealed that the presumptive Republican nominee donated tens of thousands of dollars to attorney generals who declined to pursue fraud charges against the now-defunct organization.

Trump donated $35,000 to the gubernatorial campaign of then-Texas attorney general Greg Abbott – a campaign that was ultimately successful – after Abbott's office dropped a 2010 probe into Trump University's "possibly deceptive business practices".

Florida attorney general Pam Bondi, who endorsed Trump the day before the crucial Florida primary, reportedly declined to join New York attorney general Eric Schneiderman's multi-state fraud suit against the organization after the Donald J Trump Foundation made a $25,000 contribution to a political action committee supporting her re-election campaign.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jun 16 - 06:27 PM

Top 10 Pros

Lance Armstrong
Carl Icahn
Martin Skhreli
James Tyson Jr.
Daniel H Mudd
Bernard Madoff
Christopher Christy
New England Patriots
Rush Limbaugh
Steve Wynn

Top ten citizens

George Zimmerman
Bob Jones
Wayne La Pierre
Joe Arpaio
Ivanka Trump
William McGinley
Cliven Bundy
David Koch
Paul Ryan
James Inhoff

Watch the Sparks fly when this crowd gets together after the inauguration and some very special pardons to compare notes
and fight for their slice of the pie.   This Fall on FOX, Trump's Heroes.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 01:27 PM

It was bound to happen, I suppose.

Christine Baranski and Meryl Streep, in aid of Shakespeare in the Park, performed "Brush Up On Your Shakespeare" in the personae of, respectively, Hilary Clinton and Donald Trump. Yes, there are photographs.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: gillymor
Date: 09 Jun 16 - 08:48 PM

Donald J. Trump, Working Class Hero.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: frogprince
Date: 13 Jun 16 - 11:40 AM

Trump is milking the Orlando shooting as hard as he can; whether he even begins to believe in the legitimacy of the way he's spinning the situation for political attack is anyone's guess; either way, he's found a whole new mine for toxic rhetoric.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 13 Jun 16 - 12:20 PM

T***posaurus Rex charges again.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: gillymor
Date: 14 Jun 16 - 08:20 AM

Born an Afghan , yet another bald-face lie from Herr Trump to add to a long list.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Jun 16 - 10:56 AM

Looks like those folks who see McCarthy-esque echoes in The Trumpshit are dead on target!


What Donald Trump Learned From Joseph McCarthy's Right-Hand Man

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 20 Jun 16 - 01:12 PM

"Ding Dong the witch is dead" ?!

You go, Corey Lewandowski, and keep right on goin'.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: robomatic
Date: 20 Jun 16 - 02:18 PM

The only problem with political jokes is should they be elected.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Jun 16 - 02:47 PM

Political jokes? With The Trumpshit, I ain't laughing.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 21 Jun 16 - 03:07 PM

The two party conventions this summer are going to be intense, the stuff of burn-outs.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Jun 16 - 07:59 PM

Campaign songs are often stolen and end up in court. But one Trump can steal with impunity is
It takes a greedy man, to sing a greedy song, it takes...

I suggest some ex lax desserts to help get this shit over with.

The Republicans will make one more push to exit Trump with rule changes by doing something they have experience doing already.
That's taking voting away from people, but this time its white delegates.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Jun 16 - 08:50 PM

Some Trump projects that are still in the pipeline:
the Trump network is a cable news show that is fear unbalanced.

To prove women like Trump he is introducing the curved Trumpon with a real gold leaf T on the applicator.

Draper Sterling of Madmen appears as fees paid for field consulting on Donald Trumps actual financial records.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 22 Jun 16 - 03:16 PM

So, Lewandowski got fired because he spoke too freely about Ivanka's husband? Note to self....

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 23 Jun 16 - 07:41 PM

...and now Lewandowski has an offer to work at CNN television network. This is beginning to remind me of the criminal trial of O.J. Simpson, from which media circus a number of authors and television personalities based their subsequent careers.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Jun 16 - 09:08 PM

And now the Trumpshit says Clinton's E-Mail account was hacked by a (un-named) foreign country - he heard it in the school cafeteria, so it must be true. The man is actually 13 years old, aooarently.

And the media keep handling the Trumpshit with kid gloves. Where's Joseph Nye Welch when we need him?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jun 16 - 11:04 PM

The irony is that every single government employee's private information is now in the hands of hackers since last year.
Hillary's account was untouched.


I hope that Trump's impact on the hearts and minds of the good people of Scotland will be mirrored in the USA.

They hate his lies, arrogance, mean spirited dictates, walls, view blocking man made hills, fences and his guts.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 09:33 AM

Britain achieved a 72% voter turn out !

The US achieved a 32% voter turnout in 2014.

If the US ever got a 72% voter turnout
Trump would certainly win by 6-12 million votes.

If Texas were given a referendum vote to leave the USA
they too could get 51% to leave. Houston we have a problem.

I do not foresee the US ever getting a 72% voter turnout.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Jul 16 - 05:27 PM

Hey Ake! Now your hero the The Trumpshit is cooking the election campaign books, just like he did with his real estate developments and "bankruptcies":
***

Questionable tax-free payments to Trump staffers raise 'red flags'
Lori Ann LaRocco
5 July 2016        

A series of filing anomalies point to a Donald Trump camp that is either unaware of campaign finance law, or is actively funneling donors' cash to insiders, according to several experts interviewed by CNBC.

These "red flags," as one expert deemed them, include a total lack of disclosure on which vendors staffers for the presumptive Republican nominee are paying, an "unusual" six-figure payout to campaign staff for nontaxable expenses and what appeared to be double reimbursements for some employees' expenses.



http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/05/questionable-tax-free-payments-to-trump-staffers-give-experts-pause.html?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Jul 16 - 04:37 AM

Loks like the US establishment has one law for Mr Clinton and anther for anyone else who "endangers US security".......   :0)

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Jul 16 - 10:45 AM

Loks like the US establishment has one law for Mr Clinton and anther for anyone else

No, Ake, it doesn't. Once again, you've swallowed the garbage from the long-running Repuglican witch hunt.

There was no criminal conduct on the part of Mrs. Clinton. Period. Full stop.

As you keep saying elsewhere: "Get Used To It".

Also, yiur hero The Trumpshit is now saying what a great guy Saddam Hussein was.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Jul 16 - 06:31 PM

The people of Iraq seem to think that they were much safer when he was in power. The same applies in Libya.
None of these dictators were "great guys", but the alternative (removing them from power was a thousand times worse.

Speaking on BBC today a resident of Baghdad said "The West removed Saddam Hussein.....now there are thousands of Saddams"

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Jul 16 - 08:24 PM

Ake, fer chrissake, Saddam exterminated his own people with chemical weapons by the tens of thousands. "They were much safer"??? for fucks sake what planet do you inhabit? Now Saddam's one of your heroes along with Farage and The Trumpshit?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: frogprince
Date: 06 Jul 16 - 08:58 PM

Trump has definitely cinched my vote for him, now though; we definitely need to elect someone who implies that, like Saddam, he will be "good at killing terrorists." And, since a substantial share of the country agree that it's extremely important to shake up the entire system...what better way to shake up the entire system than to elect a stark crazy ranting motherf**ker!!

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jul 16 - 02:42 AM

The war has seen and contributed to the deaths of hundreds of thousands in Iraq and all over the Middle East, facilitated the rise of IS and other Islamic terrorist groups. There will be many hundreds of thousands yet to come.

Iraq and Libya are failed States with no recognised governance, people murdered in their hundreds every day.

You people supported the war against Saddam and Gadhafi without one thought for the consequences.    "liberal ideology" at its worst.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Jul 16 - 08:25 AM

You people supported the war against Saddam

Now there you go again with the "you people" bullshit. I certainly didn't support it. Take it up with lying George W. Bush & Tony Blair (see recent report).

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jul 16 - 08:58 AM

Trump promised to protect several articles of the Constitution -- including "Article XII," even though the Constitution has seven articles.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-hell-protect-constitutions-article-xii/story?id=40422352

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Jul 16 - 10:40 AM

Hey Ake! This guy should be The Trumpshit's choice for Vice Pres:

In Dallas, a terrorist sniper fired into a peaceful Black Lives Matter protest, which was protected by police. At least five officers were killed. Two Black Lives Protesters were wounded.

Former Congressman Joe Walsh (Illinois) tried to turn the event into a race war on Twitter:

"3 Dallas Cops killed. 7 wounded. This is now war. Watch out Obama. Watch out black lives matter punks. Real America is coming after you." In another tweet, he said "10 Cops shot. You did this Obama. You did this liberals. You did this #BLM. Time to defend our Cops. Wake up."

Unless he picks Rudy Giuliani who said on MSNBC Live:

"I think the reason there's a target on police officers backs is because of groups like Black Lives Matter."

"When you talk about Black Lives Matter, well you know, the black young boy who is killed by another black young boy is just as dead as a black young boy who was killed by the police officers."

"The real danger to you is that black kid is going to shoot you on the street cause that happens many, many more times than police officers."

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Jul 16 - 11:25 AM

Now it's five police officers dead, seven wounded, and two civilians wounded. And the Lt. Governor is batshit crazy, blaming the violence on the peaceful protesters. He'd make an excellent running-mate for the GOP presumptuous candidate.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 09 Jul 16 - 07:24 PM

Months ago, I wasn't kidding when I posted that whoever the candidates were, they might end up targets for assassins. With every passing outbreak of killings, it seems more likely.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jul 16 - 09:47 AM

Republican Platforn to "Make AmeriKKKa Grate Again":

Mr. Trump's anti-Muslim phobia and fantasy wall across the Mexican border are front and center, along with his protectionist views, which deny long-held positions of the party. No less alarming is a raft of planks that ideologues pushed through to banish any notion of moderation and present-day reality from the party's credo.

This majority has triumphed in securing retrograde positions that include making no exceptions for rape or women's health in cases of abortion; requiring the Bible to be taught in public high schools; selling coal as a "clean" energy source; demanding a return of federal lands to the states; insisting that legislators use religion as a guide in lawmaking; appointing "family values" judges; barring female soldiers from combat; and rejecting the need for stronger gun controls — despite the mass shootings afflicting the nation every week.
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The platform also makes homophobia and the denial of basic civil rights to gays, lesbians and transgender people a centerpiece. It repudiates same-sex marriage, despite strong support for this constitutional right in the nation at large. The party invokes "natural marriage" and states' rights for determining which bathrooms transgender people may use, and it defends merchants who would deny service to gay customers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/19/opinion/the-most-extreme-republican-platform-in-memory.html

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jul 16 - 10:13 AM

Ban and Boycott pre shredded cheese

Make everyone grate again.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jul 16 - 10:50 AM

Hey Greg, mums the word but my better half has found a loop hole in statutes suppressing gun research that is now being used by the GAO/
It involves legislation and data regarding the safe storage of guns.
nuff said.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jul 16 - 11:13 AM

FMR. OBAMA SPEECHWRITER ON MELANIA TRUMP SPEECH:

"Sarah Hurwitz, Michelle's head speech writer, used to be Hillary's.
So the Trump campaign plagiarized from a Michelle and Hillary speechwriter.
Jon Favreau
Obama speechwriter, 2005-2013


or great minds think alike?

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jul 16 - 09:00 PM

Giuliani: If I did what Hillary did...

a. I'd have a vagina
b. I' dress in drag
c. I'd be in jail
d. I'd know how to email.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jul 16 - 09:11 PM

Jesus fucking christ.....

I Am Not A Crook

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 20 Jul 16 - 02:22 PM

I have concluded that the Melania/Michelle plagiarism thing was intentional. It has given the Trump campaign an opportunity to commit an obvious yet relatively harmless infraction and then blatantly lie about it, all to test the extent to which his followers are willing to believe Trump instead of their own eyes and ears. If he can get away with lying about plagiarism, it's not that big a stretch to getting away with lying about much more serious issues. "There are no death camps," wasn't the first lie Hitler told the German people.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 21 Jul 16 - 07:17 PM

Now, see, here is what keeps me awake.

Ted Cruz and Donald Trump-and-Co. knew exactly what Cruz was going to speechify/say, and how he was going to say it, for days in advance.
As Bob Schieffer reported for CBS, the speech was circulating in advance; he says he saw a copy himself, and anyone else who cared to take a look, saw the same thing.
The whole gesture was prepared in advance and deliberately allowed to take place.

You only had the public who behaved as though they had no clue whatever. They didn't care if the entire world saw them, on camera, jerking on the marionette strings in the puppetteers' hands.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 05:28 PM

Joe Offer made a good point, on another thread, that no-one has started a thread all its own on the RNC....I didn't watch an instant of it, just checked in with radio soundbites and newspaper headlines. And the more that my fellow Mudcatters describe it, the worse it sounds!

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 26 Jul 16 - 05:29 PM

The moderator for the DNC thread expressed a suggestion that they stop posting opinion after opinion about He Who Must Not Be Named, on a DNC thread. This "hot mess of a thread" is a good place to vent your spleen about T***p.

A syndicated columnist, Eugene Robertson I think?, said he spent many years covering South America on his beat. The rhetoric he hears and reads from T***p takes him back, he says, to....Juan Peron.

Subject: RE: BS: TRUMP [was: 'he's in the way of ME']
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Jul 16 - 06:15 PM

Gee, Keberoxu, whom did you appoint as "moderator for the DNC thread"? I did see Donuel complain about people invoking the name of Trump. Is he the one you appointed?

I did say in the "Melania" thread that I had been about to start a thread titled Mysteries of the Republican National Convention, and found that two threads had already been started on relatively minor points about the convention. My point was that it would be good to have one good discussion running instead of a dozen threads splitting the subject up into umpteen different subjects.

I've always had an objection to the title of this thread, which was opened in April as some sort of game to guess who was the author of the "he's in the way of ME" quote. It quickly became a general trump discussion because the guessing game was not enough to sustain an extended discussion.

I have finally succumbed to the temptation to rename the thread so people can tell right off that it's about Trump. But I wonder why people keep coming back to this April thread. The conventions are the current news now, not what was happening in the primary in April. After all, we've had a long-standing policy that thread titles should give a clear indication of the contents of the thread. We also have a policy that in general, only one thread on a subject should be running at a time, so the discussion doesn't get split and confused.

And of course we should talk about Trump in the thread on the Democratic Convention - the Democrats are talking about him at the convention, aren't they?

This thread is old news. Why not let it die?

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: TRUMP [was: 'he's in the way of ME']
From: keberoxu
Date: 26 Jul 16 - 06:25 PM

I apologize, my mistake altogether. It wasn't a moderator at all -- I conflated the posts of two members. I'm sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: TRUMP [was: 'he's in the way of ME']
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jul 16 - 06:56 PM

Joe you are really opening up but try not to write Trump and die in the same sentence. The Secret Service gets up close and personal* regarding even rumors of death threats if a dollar amount is mentioned by someone else. $11K?
The DNC thread was around way before the convention so it was not unusual to see more about trump than Hillary. What do I care.

Rap knows more about Trump's lineage than all of us.

I'm sure there is much about Hillary we could learn besides the 20 years of right wing propaganda.

Threads sure to die:
Only good things about trump
BM's we will never forget
Our favorite Fascists
How to prepare kitten stew





*it happened to me 30 years ago.

Subject: RE: BS: 'he's in the way of ME'
From: keberoxu
Date: 27 Jul 16 - 02:04 PM

The actual quote from Eugene Robinson's Washington Post column, July 25, 2016.

"an acceptance speech by Trump that was one of the most obscene pieces of political rhetoric we have heard in many years.
"....It is customary for the out-of-power party -- in this case, the GOP -- to capitalize on such dissatisfaction. But Trump is doing so in a way that is alien to our political tradition.
"....It was a speech that could have been delivered from a balcony of a banana republic.
"I couldn't help but think back to the years I spent covering South America as a foreign correspondent for the [Washington] Post. The politician who comes to mind is Juan Perón, the Argentine strongman whose ideology was similarly self-contradictory -- and whose legacy was to turn his prosperous nation into an economic and political basket case."

certainly under ©, but I don't know whose

Subject: RE: BS: TRUMP [was: 'he's in the way of ME']
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jul 16 - 05:07 PM

As a correspondent during the Peron regime your career was undoubtedly one of duality. Powerful interests makes strange bedfellows.

News alert: Trump receives endorsement from ,ta-da, Joe Piscopo.

Subject: RE: BS: TRUMP [was: 'he's in the way of ME']
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Jul 16 - 07:54 PM

There's a song that comes to mind as somehow appropriate for the celebrated Mr T.

Here's one version which seemed particularly apt (there are several more on the Cat if you search):

I wanted to be on the stage,
And now my ambitions I've gottem!
In my grey pantaloons I'm the rage
I'm the hole in the elephant's bottom!

My friends all think I'm a wit,
In their seats in the stalls I can spot 'em!
And I wink at the girls in the pit
Through the hole in the elephant's bottom!

Last night I had some bad luck,
The manager said I was rotten!
Cos I happened to get my head stuck
Through the hole in the elephant's bottom!

My part it is not very large,
But nor is it easy forgotten.
If you're looking for me come and look
Through the hole in the elephant's bottom!

Subject: RE: BS: TRUMP [was: 'he's in the way of ME']
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jul 16 - 09:37 PM

eleohant hole

Subject: RE: BS: TRUMP [was: 'he's in the way of ME']
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Jul 16 - 04:10 PM

keberoxu

I assume you are new to many folks here. !?

My status has not changed in 15 years. I only need a place where some editorial feedback is available as I try to refine basic writing skills that does not come naturally to me. I could never be a moderator. It took me a decade to realize how significant the British members are. I thought Ashoken was A Shogun.

Scholarly , artistic, scientific and musical pursuits were expected from me but unbeknownst to all was a little thing called dyslexia which imposed limitations and alternate talents all their own. I may come off as self involved, self effacing and self deluded but I am actually more a shy and why guy than a egoist. You know, a real nobody assumed dumb rather than a high caliber fake somebody assumed smart. What I do have is mind sight and Perspectivism.


There are members who require dignity respect and a projected internet persona that usually makes them a bit taller, thinner, smarter, erudite, global tourists extraordinaire as well as being responsible for the visitation of the better angels who are the dear friends who satisfy their mutual needs and music. Most came for the lyrics but stayed for the hilarity and love.

If we have anything in common I don't know but I suspect that when you were vetted you said yes and I said no.

You know an unexamined life is a waste but an examined life is no bed of roses.

Subject: RE: BS: TRUMP [was: 'he's in the way of ME']
From: Lighter
Date: 28 Jul 16 - 06:37 PM

Am more familiar with Mussolini's mannerisms than with Peron's, and I compared Trump to Mussolini on another thread many months ago.

Just watch a newsreel of Musso orating and strutting on a balcony before a hysterical audience.

Watch especially for the move when he's made his point: he steps back, shows his scowling profle, and partly turns his back on the audience.

A case of not-so-great minds thinking alike?

Subject: RE: BS: TRUMP et tu Ryan?
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 09:05 AM

The similarities are palpable.

I would not want any final similarities.

Subject: RE: BS: TRUMP [was: 'he's in the way of ME']
From: gillymor
Date: 29 Jul 16 - 10:23 AM

Trumpolini!

Subject: RE: BS: TRUMP [was: 'he's in the way of ME']
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Jul 16 - 08:42 AM

"...but try not to write Trump and die in the same sentence".

Physician, heal thyself...

Subject: RE: BS: TRUMP [was: 'he's in the way of ME']
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jul 16 - 12:29 PM

Indeed that was the joke.

The actual story of the FBI and SS investigation I encountered was during the Reagan years. Danny Spillane was the nephew of Mickey Spillane. He was an amazing artist who became psychotic in college and was expelled after doing blackened silhouettes of Japanese victims of Hiroshima against Campus buildings as a memorial. When he became homeless I gave him a place to stay. Tenets became upset with his use of the laundry room and led to retribution and vandalism of my car but Danny did find another place to stay where he was robbed of his things and guitar. Angry and confused he confabulated a rambling story along with the number $11K which was referred to the FBI by the police when he reported his burglary.

A single FBi agent showed up at my door and instead of questioning me about Danny immediately began telling me his extortion plan to go after my employer and family. I told him I was self employed so h said he would get my girlfriend fired from her job. I told him to do whatever he needed to do but I would not discuss Danny's condition.

The young agent swooped up cassette tapes an note books that were not returned for 2 months.

What surprised me is how he immediately went to an extortion technique

Subject: RE: BS: TRUMP [was: 'he's in the way of ME']
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jul 16 - 01:01 PM

It would be thread drift but one day I should tell you the more amusing story of the next FBI investigation when two undercover agents played the part of friendly gregarious guys. They were older and very good but were still as transparent as glass. This time it involved the unibomber. Its been 8 years since the DIA showed up at my door regarding my next door neighbor. It involved Uzbekistan. That too was very funny.

Subject: RE: BS: TRUMP [was: 'he's in the way of ME']
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Jul 16 - 06:02 PM

Here's a good example of what The Trumpsh*t & his supporters stand for:

Khan's speech triggered unabashed Trump supporter Ann Coulter, who tweeted: "You know what this Democratic convention really needed? An angry Muslim with a thick accent like Fareed Zacaria[sic]."

Coulter's reference was misspelled and in reference to CNN host Fareed Zakaria.

Her ugly smear set off conservatives, including longtime friend and editor John Podhoretz who admitted, "I'm ashamed ever to have known you."

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/im-ashamed-to-have-known-you-conservatives-rip-ann-coulter-for-ugly-smear-of-hero-marines-dad/


And here's another example:

Bobby Hughes, a photographer and journalist at KTVI, the Fox affiliate in St. Louis posted on Facebook after Michael Brown's mother, Lesley McSpadden, the mother of Michael Brown, the teenager whose shooting death ignited weeks of emotional protests in Missouri, was announced as part of the Democratic National Convention line-up:

"She's going to talk about the new lead diet she's endorsed. Five servings and you can lose 200 lbs in two years easily."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/st-louis-journalist-reportedly-fired-after-facebook-post-on-michael-browns-mom/

Heil Trump!

Subject: RE: BS: TRUMP [was: 'he's in the way of ME']
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Jul 16 - 08:58 AM

Listen and think. This is important.

The end of September is the cut off for information/propaganda to trickle down to the bottom of our national consciousness by election time.

Baiting Trump has proven to be the most reliable and effective way to turn Trump from a popular cad into a cadaver with his own words.

Ways to do this:

Make him respond (hit back) to the accusation that he could never use nuclear weapons because his generals would over ride him. He maight be so thinned skinned he could defend that he I more popular than Jesus.

Have him re quote Jesus but the quote actually comes from Sharia law

Make him slip up in reverse and make him defend a Hitler quote.


Trump is ready to hit back at anyone and anything now. He says no more mr. nice guy, "I'm taking my gloves off".


Once the ultimate gaff is recorded IT IS ESSENTIAL that it is repeated constantly until elation day. If not repeated to the extreme it will not work.


We have the when, how and how much for Trump's downfall.
It only requires M&M's money and media.

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How 'bout if we continue the Trump discussion here (click)
Thanks.
-Joe Offer-