Sammy's Bar - which film was it in?

Subject: Sammy's Bar - which film was it in?
From: GUEST,Sue Taylor
Date: 11 Jul 16 - 01:38 PM

Years ago, I found a snippet of info in a Mudcat thread about this song by Cyril Tawney, and a link to a slightly surreal video/film clip that contained a version of the song. I kept the link, and have often gone back to it and watched it - I found it utterly beautiful and mesmerising.

When I tried to do this today, however, the film is no longer available on Youtube.

Does anyone remember this? or know what the film title was? or even possibly have a new link to it?

thanks

Subject: RE: Sammy's Bar - which film was it in?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jul 16 - 02:42 PM

....update....I've found out what film it is - Flipping The Whale - but can find no trace of either the film or the Sammy's Bar clip anywhere. Does anyone have it, or know where I can find it please?

Subject: RE: Sammy's Bar - which film was it in?
From: Helen
Date: 11 Jul 16 - 03:37 PM

Nice harmonies by Hissyfit here:

The Ballad of Sammy's Bar [Cyril Tawney]

Subject: RE: Sammy's Bar - which film was it in?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Jul 16 - 04:13 PM

The spot mentioned in the song (Pieta?), is not far from where the mock-up sailing ship used as a set in the film 'Popeye' is docked, on the road from Slima to Valletta, in Malta.
Not the answer to the query, I'm sure, but not a lot of people know that!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Sammy's Bar - which film was it in?
From: GUEST,Sue
Date: 11 Jul 16 - 07:54 PM

hi Jim - hope you're well - good to see you're still here on Mudcat! (and to see Mudcat's still here too).

Subject: RE: Sammy's Bar - which film was it in?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Jul 16 - 08:32 PM

Only just - in both cases
Best
Jim

Subject: RE: Sammy's Bar - which film was it in?
From: Phil Cooper
Date: 11 Jul 16 - 11:28 PM

The version of the song in the Flipping the Whale video was sung by Joe Hickserson and backed by other Golden Ring members from their Folk Legacy album Five Days Singing. The people who made the video were based in Chicago, from the description that I read. I hadn't checked to see if the video was still out there. It's been a couple years at least, since I've seen it. I liked it, though I can see that it might not be everyone's cup of tea.

Subject: RE: Sammy's Bar - which film was it in?
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 11 Jul 16 - 11:44 PM

Never heard the soundtrack so don't know how well it matches:

YT: The New Golden Ring: "Five Days Singing" Vol.II - Sammy's Bar

Subject: RE: Sammy's Bar - which film was it in?
From: michaelr
Date: 12 Jul 16 - 02:20 AM

I'm sure the Golden Ring version Phil linked to was the one used in the film, because I learned the song from it after seeing the clip.

They got it a bit wrong, though, because they sing "the last boats are leaving", whereas Tawney wrote "the last boat's a-leaving". There are a number of previous threads here including "the meaning of daighsoe".

Subject: RE: Sammy's Bar - which film was it in?
From: michaelr
Date: 12 Jul 16 - 02:31 AM

I find this thread fascinating.

Subject: RE: Sammy's Bar - which film was it in?
From: Mr Red
Date: 12 Jul 16 - 03:29 AM

another YT version this one will actually play, not quite the oversion I heard CT sing. the one above reports unavailable here in the UK.

Subject: RE: Sammy's Bar - which film was it in?
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 12 Jul 16 - 05:44 AM

A couple of tracks are on Spotify

Sammy's Bar - Joe Hickserson /The New Golden Ring  


Sammy's Bar - Tawney, live  

Subject: RE: Sammy's Bar - which film was it in?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Jul 16 - 07:25 PM

The movie Flipping the Whale exists all right, and it won an award and some enthusiastic reviews in the process, but it seems remarkably hard to track down,

Here is a page about it

Subject: RE: Sammy's Bar - which film was it in?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jul 16 - 05:04 AM

Thanks all. That's the link I had, Phil, and it says Not Available.

Hoping for a link to it somewhere else...

Subject: RE: Sammy's Bar - which film was it in?
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 13 Jul 16 - 05:43 AM

Flipping the Whale. Free online watch movie.

Subject: RE: Sammy's Bar - which film was it in?
From: GUEST,Senoufou
Date: 13 Jul 16 - 06:50 AM

Have to say, I think Lonnie Donegan's version is the best. Not at all similar to his other songs, but imo creates the atmosphere beautifully.
It's on Youtube.

Subject: RE: Sammy's Bar - which film was it in?
From: GUEST,Desi C
Date: 13 Jul 16 - 01:23 PM

I think I might actually have been the one who posted that link as hardly anyone had heard of the film before then. It was indeed Flipping The Whale that produced that mezmerising version of for me Tawney's most beautiful son. If anyone can tell me if the clip is still on line somewhere or where I might get a copy of the film I'd be very grateful if you'd let me know, Desi on [e-mail]

Subject: RE: Sammy's Bar - which film was it in?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jul 16 - 03:59 PM

Georgiansilver - that link doesn't work for me either.

Desi - the link was given to me by The Villan on a thread that I started in 2009 about female duet songs. That one doesn't work any more either. I found that clip mesmerising too, and would really like to find it again. Why would it have been withdrawn though?

Subject: RE: Sammy's Bar - which film was it in?
From: GUEST,Sue
Date: 15 Jul 16 - 06:57 PM

Sorry, forgot to put my name on last comment.

Subject: RE: Sammy's Bar - which film was it in?
From: michaelr
Date: 16 Jul 16 - 02:35 AM

Performed the song tonight, with five-part harmony. It feels so good!

Back around the time I first discovered the clip from "Flipping the Whale", I actually managed to contact the filmmaker. He said he'd send me a DVD of the movie, but he never did. It looks intriguing, to say the least, from the "Sammy's Bar" clip.

Subject: RE: Sammy's Bar - which film was it in?
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 17 Jul 16 - 02:59 PM

DeciC, Michaelr said "I'm sure the Golden Ring version Phil linked to was the one used in the film".
Are you not able to get it on the Spotify link above?

Subject: RE: Sammy's Bar - which film was it in?
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jul 16 - 11:11 AM

Thanks for the Spotify links, Freddy.

However, going back to my original request on this post, it's really the film clip I'd like to find.

Seems it's impossible to find that clip any more.

Subject: RE: Sammy's Bar - which film was it in?
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 26 Jul 16 - 05:38 PM

So just to be clear, the YouTube link I posted was the same version of the song but from the later CD and not the original score/soundtrack (still looking around for the movie/clip.)

It is still available on YT, albeit not in the UK. (fyi: Y'all have been made subjects of The Orchard Enterprises' B.A.C.O.N. botnet. Don't take it too personal.)

Subject: RE: Sammy's Bar - which film was it in?
From: GUEST,Desi C
Date: 27 Jul 16 - 05:35 AM

Does ANYONE have a copy of the Flipping The Whale Film featuring Sammy's Bar, or know where I might get a copy, I'll gladly pay whatever it costs, please mail me on Desi [e-mail]

Subject: RE: Sammy's Bar - which film was it in?
From: GUEST,Cornfield
Date: 27 Apr 17 - 03:10 PM

There is a musical group in Chicago called Candytown. I think the leader of the group was the director/writer of Flipping the Whale

Cornfield

Subject: RE: Sammy's Bar - which film was it in?
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 27 Apr 17 - 05:14 PM

There is a clip from the film on YouTube at the moment, though a comment ~Dec2016 says they think the music played is different from what they heard previously.
https://youtu.be/bIvkbufV2L0 (ros27g)

What I hear on the clip above is
Joe Hickerson, Lynn Hickerson, Ginny Dildine, Ed Trickett, New Golden Ring
http://open.spotify.com/track/1fsm7mLzftqsAEXbmei4FB 

Subject: RE: Sammy's Bar - which film was it in?
From: GUEST,cornfield
Date: 27 Apr 17 - 05:16 PM

https://www.facebook.com/pg/candytown/about/?ref=page_internal

I bet someone on this site could locate a copy of Flipping the Whale for you.

Cornfield