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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Donuel Date: 29 Jul 16 - 10:44 PM Cornell West summed it up thusly; You are at the LA train station and have a wedding in San Francisco. The express train was sabotaged and canceled out of caution. Another train going to San Francisco is a slow local. But there is a THIRD golden express train. It's going to hell. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Janie Date: 29 Jul 16 - 09:39 PM Agree, McGrath. It will take a strong movement. Joe, I strongly agree with your impressions of Hillary and what her presidency might look like. I diaagree with you re your expectation she will win. She will win only if the full spectrum of those people who support her pretty much whole-heartedly and those who might hold their noses and vote for her as the lesser of evils join together and very actively work to get her elected. Otherwise, I expect Trump will win. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 29 Jul 16 - 09:01 PM So long as there's a strong movement keeping her on course. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Joe Offer Date: 29 Jul 16 - 07:45 PM Hillary is not a superstar. Her gifts are wisdom and tenacity. She has been in the public eye since 1992, and she has expressed many of her ideals and goals through the years - and she has held true to those ideals. I don't think she will come out with a lot of new programs and grandiose plans, but she will keep her ideals and goals in the back of her mind. And when the opportunity comes, she will put those ideals and goals into action - quietly, but firmly and effectively. I expect Hillary to win, and I expect a very wise Presidency from her. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Ebbie Date: 29 Jul 16 - 06:48 PM I stayed engaged through each evening of the Democratic convention. There were some remarkable speakers- and just about every single one of them spoke reason, sanity and good sense. As opposed to the GOP convention- if I could color the aura/atmosphere of each convention, the DNC would be full of light and animation while t'other would be dark and red and roiling. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Joe_F Date: 29 Jul 16 - 05:51 PM No, it's not about Hillary. It's about the Democratic Party -- less obnoxious, on the average & on the whole, than the alternative. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: mkebenn Date: 29 Jul 16 - 10:34 AM Aye, Donuel, Those who won't learn from history are doomed to repeat. Mike |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Donuel Date: 29 Jul 16 - 10:29 AM Winds in the East Mist coming in Like something is brewing about to begin can't put my finger On what lies in store But I feel what's to happen All happened before. Mary Poppins. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: gillymor Date: 29 Jul 16 - 09:28 AM I thought HRC did an excellent job last night. She delivered her well prepared address with passion and conviction and it starkly pointed out that there is only one serious adult left in this presidential campaign but, to me, the speech that really got to the heart of the matter and most effectively made the case against that unqualified, wise-cracking buffoon was given by Khzir Khan. When he asked Donald if he'd read the constitution I could have answered "Hell no, by his own admission he doesn't read anything" with the exception of tweets, maybe. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Donuel Date: 29 Jul 16 - 08:59 AM C-SPAN is always an option to be sure, They carry every single speaker and skip all the floor fluff. & no ads! Whoop de doo Hillary is the ideal candidate for 1996-2000 She is more exciting than a new Geico commercial. That's OK. Sanity is very important to me, besides a US President does not have to be "must see TV". How Hillary goes from "thats OK" enthusiasm to "We want that Now" is an uphill battle. She will get the vote of every thinking person but it is hers to lose to all the unthinking people. Janie I fell asleep too, yawn that's OK. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: mkebenn Date: 29 Jul 16 - 08:24 AM Janie you are not alone with the silly. Mike |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Joe Offer Date: 29 Jul 16 - 03:12 AM Here's a link to the Hillary Clinton acceptance speech: She did a good job. I suppose she's not the orator that Bill & Barack are, but it was a good speech with a lot of substance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Janie Date: 29 Jul 16 - 12:11 AM I watched the entire Obama speech, including Hillary coming out at the end this morning on Youtube before I went to work. Was late for work as a result. Was so tired I fell asleep on the couch as it turns out, just as Obama started speaking. That was about 2 seconds after I convinced myself I I could lay my tired body down and stay awake. Silly me. I have always voted but never gotten involved in campaigns other than making modest financial contributions. This year I feel obliged to figure out some way to have some time to volunteer at a task my personality can deal with. Such as stuffing envelops or running them through postage meters. I thought Hillary's acceptance speech was warm and articulate. She is not a gifted orator. Trump isn't either, but he is a gifted rabble rouser. Gonna take some very hard work on the ground to get her elected. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Stilly River Sage Date: 28 Jul 16 - 10:28 PM You can rewatch the entire thing (or parts of it) from the DNC site itself. PBS isn't playing the same thing that the DNC site is playing. This afternoon I listened to Obama's speech last night because it was interrupted by my local channel (that accidentally switched to the regular programming at 10pm). I listened to the rest on the radio and hadn't been able to see Hillary walk out on stage for a well-deserved victory lap. I wanted to see that bit of history being made. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Janie Date: 28 Jul 16 - 10:08 PM No edit button. Clarification. Rev. Barber's speech did not surprise. Surprised me that it was not one of the speeches either of the networks already planned to carry. Having said that, while I know Rev. Barber could be a national civil rights leader on the main stage, while well known withing the civil rights movement, he has chosen to focus on change within his own home state throughout his leadership. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Janie Date: 28 Jul 16 - 10:01 PM Whether one is a person of faith or not, Rev. Barber [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbjhzI1g3EE] was intelligent, articulate and passionate. Head of the NC NAACP and organizer of the Moral Mondays to confront our current state government, both the executive branch and the legislative branch. PBS only cut to him about halfway through his speech, apparently surprised to realize his speech was "worth" broadcasting. Really surprised me. CBS broadcast none of it. The demconvention site broadcast all of it. If you are of a monotheistic religious persuasion, I think he articulates the heart of the core values (not the rules, the values) of the three related monotheistic religions arising from the ancient mideastern world remarkably well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Janie Date: 28 Jul 16 - 09:40 PM Following is the DNC live stream I am watching. https://www.demconvention.com/live/ It also is not broadcasting all speakers. Sans the ability to watch C-Span live I'm watching NPR/PBS on the television and going back and forth between CBS and the DNC stream on the computer to try to watch as many of the speakers as I can. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Donuel Date: 28 Jul 16 - 09:14 PM I am however totally wrong about Flanigan. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Donuel Date: 28 Jul 16 - 09:01 PM I think Nancy was too vain to use her much needed glasses. Hey Joe, you are too kind. you know how many trips to Germany Charles took and who received him? Hermann Goring and top Nazis were on his A list. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/lindbergh/sfeature/fallen.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Joe Offer Date: 28 Jul 16 - 08:57 PM Here's the YouTube channel for C-Span: You're right, Janie - don't see any live streaming. Here's a live link from "Democratic National Convention": Don't know if that's the official feed, but maybe it is. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Janie Date: 28 Jul 16 - 08:37 PM On-line have now switched to the official DNC website. Hopefully will see and hear all the speakers there even though any protests from the floor may not be shown. Don't know that, but a reasonable assumption. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Janie Date: 28 Jul 16 - 08:33 PM As I said earlier, I don't have cable so can't watch the entire thing on C-Span without the interjection of the talking heads during times they consider whoever is at the podium to be inconsequential. I have the CBSN broadcast on my computer, and the NPR/PBS broadcast on my antenna-ed television. 6 ordinary people walked out on stage to speak about concerns of common folks like us. The first two were broadcast - one was a low-wage healthcare worker. The next was a schoolteacher from my state, a school teacher, trying to pay off huge student loans from his education at a public university at the low wages North Carolina teachers receive. Neither PBS nor CBS considered the rest of the speakers worth broadcasting nationally and cut to the talking heads. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Janie Date: 28 Jul 16 - 07:59 PM Nancy Pelosi's delivery was pretty awful. Is that typical of her? Is she a bad public speaker? McGrath. I don't know if it was you or someone else from the UK that commented earlier in the thread the realization the conventions are designed for USA consumption and to both rally the party bases and draw in less motivated or more ambivalent voters of either party or independents. They are theater. American exceptionalism wins votes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Joe Offer Date: 28 Jul 16 - 01:28 PM Accuracy is important in history, Donuel. Charles Lindbergh was an isolationist. Some people called him a fascist because he opposed U.S. entry into World War II, just as Woody Guthrie had. Lindbergh's father had been a congressman from Minnesota, and had opposed U.S. entry into World War I. Father Flanagan (portrayed by Spencer Tracy in a 1938 film) founded an orphanage outside Omaha Nebraska called Boys Town. Father Charles Coughlin built the National Shrine of the Little Flower in Royal Oak, Michigan, and preached on the radio from the shrine. He had been a strong supporter of FDR and the New Deal, but later turned against Roosevelt and supported ideas that were closer to those of Hitler and Mussolini. He was especially opposed to "Jewish bankers." [His church, by the way, is a gorgeous example of Art Deco architecture]. As for Joe Biden, it was interesting to see how warmly the delegates greeted Joe at the beginning of his speech. It was clear that he is well-loved. And speaking of farts, the "Bernie or Bust" folks had planned a fart-in, a bean dinner to take place during Thursday's acceptance speech by Hillary Clinton. The dinner was moved to Wednesday evening so participants could go home a day earlier. No reports on the outcome of the bean dinner yet, but I'm sure all the participants are "regular guys" now. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 28 Jul 16 - 01:14 PM One thing that feels uneasy was the constant declarations of American exceptionalism, with the Democrats if anything more than with the Republicans. "We are the greatest..." A touch of Kipling's Recessional might be healthy, perhaps... "Far-called our navies melt away; On dune and headland sinks the fire: Lo, all our pomp of yesterday Is one with Nineveh and Tyre! Judge of the Nations, spare us yet, Lest we forget—lest we forget!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 28 Jul 16 - 12:59 PM In England a trump is a fart. Not so different, I suppose. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Donuel Date: 28 Jul 16 - 12:47 PM Minor fun factoids; A most often used rhetorical phrase to denounce the opposition said by both parties in the last election was "But in reality..." This year the most popular phrase of both parties has been "To be Clear..." Clearly, reality is off the table this time around. Talking to people in the Metro DC area over the years I have found that folks really like Joe Biden and have an average of only 1 degree of separation. There is even a jealousy of people who have a closer relationship than themselves, to Joe. Among whites when asked who is most "one of us", Trump wins !? When asked who is "qualified to be President", Hillary wins. Dick Morris (Bill Clinton's token conservative in his administration) has hit 300 lbs. Dick seems to be unable to sell his latest book, even to Republicans. Conservatives say Obama and liberals are Isis sympathizers and liberals say conservatives are a domestic Taliban. There is little mention of non terrorist citizens except for Hillary ads. If Trump were to stop globalization, Wall Mart prices would generally double. How new is the Trump phenomenon ? Father Flannigan held religious rallies in support of the Lindbergh pro fascist and racist era in the 1930's The state of Indiana had the most government KKK members as well as the most KKK constituents. In England a trumpence is worth absolutely nothing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Donuel Date: 28 Jul 16 - 10:43 AM I also monitored the FOX converge of the DNC speeches just to study the lie craft and propaganda both video tricks ,subliminal and other, as well as rhetorical. It was cruel, childish, stupid and effective. Dear Martin Gibson, or is it Akenaton now, Keep going Without a Bearded Bruce we need a wall to practice our serve. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Jeri Date: 28 Jul 16 - 09:33 AM Pretty much trolling, but I don't think anyone expects otherwise. I just hope other folks don't follow you down that particular rabbit hole. I've been dipping into the convention via C-Span. Hillary's speaking tonight. I was for Bernie and didn't like Hillary much, but the one thing I care about most is that we don't elect a wannabe Hitler, white supremacist, lying, bigoted, crazy man to have his finger on "the button". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 28 Jul 16 - 06:35 AM In deference to American history and the Revolution maybe he should have included Tories in that list of those who have threatened America. And secessionists, perhaps. I think Michelle is actually better than her husband at this kind of thing. I'm sure he'd say that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: akenaton Date: 28 Jul 16 - 03:25 AM I am not "trolling" Joe I have been a socialist all my life and a CP member for many years, surely an alternative political viewpoint is not now considered an act of trolling? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Joe Offer Date: 28 Jul 16 - 03:14 AM You're trolling again, Ake, and it's particularly lame this time. The context is this: "That's why anyone who threatens our values, whether fascists or communists or jihadists or homegrown demagogues, will always fail in the end." (click for speech text). There's no doubt that during a long stretch of the 20th century, the communists were a threat to the U.S. Those weren't water balloons the Soviets were installing in Cuba in 1961. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: akenaton Date: 28 Jul 16 - 02:47 AM Strange to see President Obama lumping "Communists" with "Jihadists". Shades of McCarthyism perhaps, or a swipe at the folks who are demanding change in the Democratic Party? His admires here would do well to remember that some of the most revered figures in folk music were "communists" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Joe Offer Date: 28 Jul 16 - 12:12 AM I think you have that right, Donuel - "greatest orator of our lifetime." I was so moved by Obama's speech, I couldn't talk afterwards. Billionaire and former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, spoke as an Independent. He got in some great jabs at Trump, whom Bloomberg terms "a dangerous demagogue." Bloomberg says there has been a lot of talk in the campaign about needing a leader who understands business, and Bloomberg agrees" "I couldn't agree more. I built a business, and I didn't start it with a million-dollar check from my father." Vice Presidential candidate Tim Kaine gave a nice speech, but nothing exceptional. Joe Biden's speech was much better. But there's no question, Barack Obama was the star of the evening. As Donuel says, he's a splendid orator. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Donuel Date: 27 Jul 16 - 11:57 PM The majesty of the greatest orator of my lifetime Barak Obama has inspired and defined the heartfelt moment of our times once again. He also addressed the debauchery of demagogues and fascists. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Donuel Date: 27 Jul 16 - 09:27 PM Way to go Joe Biden. Feelings first. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Joe Offer Date: 27 Jul 16 - 09:10 PM Hey, can I get one of those cool "Joe" signs that they're holding up for Biden right now? Live coverage at http://www.pbs.org/newshour/ It's so nice to see that Barack Obama and Joe Biden have become so popular during their last year. I've listened to most of the major speeches from both conventions. I noticed last week that I was getting really grouchy. I'm feeling a lot better this week. Biden has the strongest and most rational anti-Trump words I've heard so far. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Donuel Date: 27 Jul 16 - 09:10 PM Well Joe I would concur with Janie. Everything in reality is reactive and interactive. I would think in terms of the best laid plans of mice and men... Every journey begins with a first step. Overcoming a Banks gone wild economic crash in 8 years instead of 16 was a great accomplishment. Yes a CCC would also have had benefits. The central power of any election is the power and manipulation of emotion. I have said this 437 times. Getting that power to serve plans is secondary. Frankly this is a Hillary weakness so far. The feelings inspired by Trump lies is a strength no matter how despicable that is to all of us. All my adult life I have implored people to see how susceptible the human spirit is to hypnosis, the great lie and the deceptions of Hitleresque shared hatreds. It may seem that the human bonds we share are super strong but they are more fragile than we care to admit. Its time to admit it. Lets see how well we do with only high minded denials of the Trump tools of deception. Oh that's right, we always deny that hypnosis at play in the arena of political power and lies. If on the other hand we sharpen the tip of the spear and add hooks we could out propaganda the hell out of Trump. For example in response to the proposed high crimes and misdemeanors that Trump has only suggested so far, we repeat clearly the legal response to such criminal acts until the name Trump is equated with the criminal punishments awaiting him. Just as they did to Hillary. Forget the Logan act, Trump is a treasonous Watergate co-conspirator. You don't need to grow a pair anymore, you just need body armor forged with truthful lies of emotion..facts are not enough. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hill From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 27 Jul 16 - 08:31 PM Any sword-rattling by Putin is essentially about keeping the Russian public onside. The idea that he's on for conflict overseas is a fantasy. Ukraine is very much a special case. And the same is true in reverse, when politicians in America or elsewhere build it up as a foreign threat. It's a kind of game for domestic consumption. Which doesn't stop it being a dangerous game. ....................... The focus on the Presidential election risks missing what's in some ways more crucial. Obviously stopping Trump matters - but if Hillary Clinton is going to build on what Obama has achieved, and on what he was stopped from achieving, it's going to take a Congress that doesn't wreck everything. And America needs a sizeable Sanders inspired contingent of legislators to make sure Hillary stays on course. Trump is a nightmare danger - but also a real opportunity, with the real possibility that the Republicans face electoral disaster down the ticket, dragged down by the Marmalade Mussolini. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Joe Offer Date: 27 Jul 16 - 07:52 PM You know, Janie, I'm not sure how well strategies and plans will work to deal with the economy, jobs, and world affairs. I think that for the most part, the running of government is a reactive job. People enter positions of power with basic values and basic philosophies, and then react to the situations they encounter. A President may be able to get one or two big things done during an 8-year administration, but maybe not. Obama got through a flawed healthcare plan that his opponents have undermined since the day it passed. He should have passed a comprehensive immigration bill during the first two years when he had a majority in Congress, but he failed at that. But as a reactive President, Obama has been good. I think Clinton will be, too. Trump would be a disaster - I hope the electorate comes to realize that. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Janie Date: 27 Jul 16 - 07:41 PM I'm hoping tonight or tomorrow night they will put some serious focus on the economy, jobs and world affairs. We are going to need independents. People are experiencing real anxiety about jobs, safety, terrorism, Putin beginning to rattle his sword. The Party needs to do more than just make soothing sounds such as "hush child, there is nothing to be afraid of." It's clear our Party is still a big tent covering a diverse number of people and perspectives. It is important to assert "peace, love, respect for everyone. But some tangible statements about ideas for moving the country, and the world closer in that direction. Gonna take more than a slogan, "Better Together." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Donuel Date: 27 Jul 16 - 06:18 PM I am betting on a sit com by the people who brought us VEEP to write a comedy about 'The Education of Donald'. * A President does not invite a foreign power to meddle in our elections or hack Democrats beyond anything Watergate burglars stole. ^ A President does not accuse people with treason lightly. (Uma-Weiner) # A President does not make Yes Minister episodes at the microphone daily. Lets hope this sit com does not become a reality show. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Donuel Date: 27 Jul 16 - 05:24 PM Bill played well with others. I am personally annoyed by his long winded twang. At least it wasn't cringe worthy. The Russia hacks and Donald's remarks are cringe worthy. This is like an October surprise in July. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: mkebenn Date: 27 Jul 16 - 12:10 PM or Canadian Bacon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 27 Jul 16 - 10:48 AM First Gentleman Bill Clinton would make for an extremely entertaining sitcom. The wild West Wing. The Trump House would be the blackest comedy since Doctor Strangelove. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: mkebenn Date: 27 Jul 16 - 08:51 AM well said, Stu. Mike |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Stu Date: 27 Jul 16 - 06:23 AM Michelle Obama is an inspiration and seems like a decent, grounded person. It's worth checking out her doing car karaoke with James Corden, which is brilliant: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2016/jul/21/michelle-obama-on-carpool-karaoke-with-james-corden-video I understand Bernie supporters are pished off but learn for the Brexit vote here in the UK and don't underestimate the power of support the opposition has, or you too (and in the case of the US Presidential election the rest of the world as well) will repent at your leisure. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Joe Offer Date: 27 Jul 16 - 03:25 AM Don't miss the Mothers of the Movement / Black Lives Matter presentation:Three mothers of victims spoke, and helped me to understand why the "Black Lives Matter" movement is so important. It's hard to believe that anyone could refer to them as "terrorists." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Steve Shaw Date: 27 Jul 16 - 03:07 AM Well you may think this odd coming from me, but as an outsider reading this thread I'm finding the harmony among the US contributors herein to be very refreshing. 🙂 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary From: Joe Offer Date: 27 Jul 16 - 02:36 AM The Bill Clinton speech was a delight:It may well have been the best time I've ever had watching a Bill Clinton speech, all 43 minutes of it (just 40 minutes over Donuel's limit). Bill was relaxed, and played the role of storyteller masterfully. He was really enjoying himself up there at the podium. He plainly and honestly portrayed the human side of Hillary that so many have forgotten, and he did it very well. Madeleine Albright gave a good presentation, but not remarkable. Now I'm going to watch Meryl Streep, who's wearing a flag dress. She's got only 4 minutes, but I'm sure she'll be good. Can't say I liked to Elizabeth Banks attempt to parody Trump's dramatic appearance before he introduced Melania. It felt mean-spirited to me. I suppose The Donald deserves mean-spiritedness, but a mean spirit doesn't make for good humor. So far, my favorites are Michelle Obama, Bernie Sanders, and Bill Clinton. I'm sure I'll enjoy President Obama tomorrow night, so he'll make my list of favorites. -Joe- |
