BS: Trump - Again

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Vashta Nerada
Date: 02 Aug 16 - 07:19 PM

You're just making it up as you go along, Ake. The 2008 campaign wasn't racist, but it was difficult because it was a challenge between a talented black man (a first) and a talented woman (a first), but their supporters emerged victorious. Do you remember who won the 2008 election?

You keep saying mistrusted - but you only have innuendo and lies to back up charges. She is the most qualified, and most vetted, candidate of the modern era. Face it, there is a double standard that females must struggle against, and you support it whole-heartedly.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Aug 16 - 07:35 PM

No, Ake, I am not aware of the "racist campaign that Team Clinton fought against Mr Obama in 2008." Give us the facts, if by chance you happen to have any.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Aug 16 - 12:28 AM

Stu - PM
Date: 01 Aug 16 - 03:33 AM "Without an adequate welfare state the poor suffer horribly, unable to afford adequate healthcare and with people forced to work until they die as they have no provision for retirement. Coupled with the fact the political system is totally inaccessible to people without money, with the fact the Presidential system seems to promote political dynasties over genuine merit;"

One of these years some Mudcatters are going to rise out of the pond and spout off on conditions of which we know next to nothing. You appear to be a good bedmate for the Trump- believe it or not, life in the USA by and large is as good as we choose to make it. We are not starving, working ourselves to the bone until we keel over and die at - what? age 50? - or doing without political representation. Listen to President Obama, to Secretary Clinton and to many, many pundits and let it sink in that life here is good. Could be better, of course- isn't that true in your own country?

akenaton - PM
Date: 01 Aug 16 - 10:26 AM "Mr Obama was presumed to be a vehicle for change, lauded here and in most of the media, but his presidency has been a huge disappointment, almost nothing has been achieved which is of any real help to the poor.....Mrs Clinton makes no pretence of changing one damn thing she will do exactly as her masters tell her....but unlike Obama, she will do it willingly and with the greatest of pleasure.
The biggest problem of course is Foreign Policy, her record as a warmonger is abysmal and it will be wound up to the hilt, we could in fact see the start of another "cold War" but under very different circumstances to the first one. "

That goes double for ake.

Bonus from ake: "How can you possibly suggest that I, who have studied politics for too many years, would have given views without listening to all the evidence at my disposal. Of course I have heard the speeches, "

Frankly, ake, I don't believe you. You may have 'listened to all the evidence at my disposal' (How much was at your "disposal"?) but I do not believe that you actually LISTENED.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Stu
Date: 03 Aug 16 - 03:11 AM

"You appear to be a good bedmate for the Trump- believe it or not, life in the USA by and large is as good as we choose to make it."

Don't be so sensitive - I'm not knocking the good ole US of A. I'm not talking about everybody in the US, but a part of the population. I know life in the USA is good, I love the place and would happily live there (out in the Black Hills, or at the foot of the rockies in WA or MT).

When I speak to friends in the US they tell me how easy it is to drop thought the net, how healthcare is very basic without insurance and about the inequality they see. Trump is tapping into a distrust of established politicians, and all I'm trying to do is warn against complacency because if you dismiss everyone boring for him as idiots etc you might find you're swearing in someone in January who shouldn't be allowed near a can opener let alone be commander in chief.

Learn from our mistakes here in the UK over the Brexit vote! Fight for Clinton and try to understand why people want to kick out.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: gillymor
Date: 03 Aug 16 - 07:18 AM

This is so bizarre, at this point I think Trump would rather pursue petty grudges than run for Prez. Good for the nation.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Aug 16 - 08:00 AM

Raggytash has a finger on the pulse and EEG of the nation.

Excellent prophesizing.

You wee right.

The Trump machine has reached a tipping point and is headed toward Mc Cain and the Speaker of the house. It remains to be seen if Trump will also be squashed flat.

Raggytash, o prophet of politics, will Trump pull a Palin?
Or will he drop out before the election?

Donald's execution of sacred cows has reached critical mass.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Stu
Date: 03 Aug 16 - 08:30 AM

Could Trump be 'denominated' if the party desired?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Aug 16 - 08:39 AM

"By and large" leaves out an awful lot of people. In developed countries it is true that "by and large" life condiions are fair enough, or even pretty good for most people. But it makes a great difference how countries deal with the people for whom that is not true. Some societies ensure that asequate help is readily available, while others tolerate a situation in which alongside "by and large" prosperity there is destitution.

The accusation that Ebblie objects to is that the USA is too far over towards that latter end, compared to many other countries.

The thing is, critics from other countries tend to ignore the truth that America isn't really a single country in all kinds of ways. How poverty is responded to in different states is more analogous to the situation across the EU than to that in a single country.

Given that though, there do seem to be some ground rules across the EU which seem lacking in the United States.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Aug 16 - 08:43 AM

Personally, I'm with M. Hollande:

"French president François Hollande has said a victory by US presidential candidate Donald Trump could shift world politics to the right and that the real estate magnate made people "want to retch".

"His excesses make you want to retch, even in the United States, especially when – as was Donald Trump's case – he speaks ill of a soldier, of the memory of a soldier," he said, referring to Trump's highly controversial comments in recent days about captain Humayun Khan, a US Muslim soldier killed in Iraq in 2004.

Hollande said he was hearing "hurtful, humiliating comments" during the US election campaign. Speaking about politicians in general, he said "they should be respected when they are respectable."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/03/francois-hollande-says-donald-trump-makes-you-want-to-retch

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Raggytash
Date: 03 Aug 16 - 10:07 AM

A prophet of mixed tidings I fear, the fact that he has already suggested that "vote rigging" will take place in November would make me think he intends to go the course.

However the "vote rigging" will be an excuse for his failure to be elected.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Aug 16 - 10:57 AM

Understood. Media bias is clearly at the heart of the matter.

There is clearly a bias against greedy crypto fascist, schizoid narcissistic racist and sexist pathologic liar candidates for President.

To be fair Hillary cultivates her seeds of truth to occasionally contain a white lie so it will play well for her audience/demographic.

In every trump lie there is a kernel of truth composed of virtual particles that annihilate and disappear. (f his lips are moving he is lying)

FOX News has become a hilarious and hysterical sit com each time they explain what just came out of Trump's face. Today they had a wheel of fortune of Republican and Democratic quotes. Each time they spun the wheel of 50 choices it landed on a stupid TRUMP QUOTE UNTIL Doocy just manually set the wheel to a Democratic quote. Gingrich has become the go to guy to put a better spin on Trump gaffes.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Aug 16 - 11:26 AM

the reality vs. fantasy of black lives matter

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Aug 16 - 11:54 AM

Trump has sacrificed !

In his own inimical way, Donald is UNITING America ,

one filthy hating bitch slapping comment at a time.

Until such time he has united the ENTIRE country against every damn thing he claimed he was for.


That's not hubris, that is patriotic and brave to attract so much ridicule so America can learn its lesson once and for all








jus kiddin, Its just plain ol good ol boys hate.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Aug 16 - 01:54 PM

Donuel says: To be fair Hillary cultivates her seeds of truth to occasionally contain a white lie so it will play well for her audience/demographic.

In other words, it appears that Donuel believes the "Hillary Liar" propaganda that the Trump campaign has been stuffing down our throats for the last year - a theme that Republicans have been trying to build on since 1992.

What reason would she have to be a liar? To my mind, she is a remarkable, dedicated woman of integrity. I don't believe all these Hillary conspiracy theories from both the left and the right. She's a good woman.

What reason would she have to be otherwise?

But yes, she's a moderate - and for some reason, that makes the purists on both sides think she's a sellout.

-Joe Offer, Radical Moderate-

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Bev and Jerry
Date: 03 Aug 16 - 02:26 PM

Joe:

Next time someone tells you that Hillary is a liar try asking them what she lied about. We've been doing that lately and we rarely, if ever, get any specific answer. The most common answer is, "Everything". That's Trump's line, too.

It amazes us that so many people characterize Hillary as a liar when Trump tells "yuge" lies every day. Not just putting political spin on things or making promises he does not keep. He makes constant statements that are obviously untrue like America has the highest taxes in the world or he saw thousands of Arabs cheering in New Jersey after 9/11 or Bill Clinton signed NAFTA into law, etc, etc.

However, he did tell the truth yesterday when he accepted a veteran's purple heart medal as a gift. He should have said that he could not accept the medal because it is only given to service members who are killed or wounded in battle. Instead, he said thanks, I always wanted a purple heart and this is much easier. As usual, he didn't complete that sentence but he was implying that receiving it as a gift was easier than actually getting wounded in the service of our country.

Bev and Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Aug 16 - 02:29 PM

Joe, for a "moderate" you're trying awful hard to paint Don as an extremist. Telling "the occasional white lie" does not make someone a liar. Most of us have told white lies, and we're not liars. That takes dedicated dishonesty.

I agree with what I THINK he thinks. Hillary is a good person who isn't perfect. Personally, I hope Trump has a next life to get it right, because he sure fucked this one up, karma-wise.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Aug 16 - 02:45 PM

Hi, Jeri - on second review, I may not have understood what Donuel was saying. Sorry, Don.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Aug 16 - 05:12 PM

All politicians are liars it is a job requirement.

They all know Western Capitalism is defunct,   we have run out of resources and the working class have left the building.
The money has been invested overseas and we are left with an untrained youth and a huge aging population......on top of that we want it all...and we want it now.

But will they awaken us from our dream to take our revenge for promises unfulfilled?.......I don't think so.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Aug 16 - 05:28 PM

Joe I was just composing a SNL skit not advancing a serious propaganda point. I'm sure you will get it.

I thought it was hilarious but that's just me.

all 3 posts are funny ha ha.

Its crazy town over here. I now have a feeling how Berlin was 90 years ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Aug 16 - 06:26 PM

Actually all humans are prone to lying, it's a defining characteristic. "Homo falsidicus" you could call us. What is rare is when this characteristic becomes all pervasive, so that tellling the truth becomes virtually impossible, except by accident. As with Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Aug 16 - 06:39 PM

when he accepted a veteran's purple heart medal as a gift.He should have said that he could not accept the medal because it is only given to service members who are killed or wounded in battle.

Yep - The Trumpshit really is a piece of garbage, ain't he? Perhaps he intends to send the medal to Mr & Mrs. Khan.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Aug 16 - 11:51 PM

You know, the whole Khizr Khan thing was a fairly clever setup by the Democrats. For it to work, it depended on how Trump responded - and Trump responded beyond their wildest expectations, by repeatedly insulting a slain soldier and his family.

If Trump had answered the issues Khan raised about immigration, that matter would be quickly forgotten. Khan's statement was moving, but it wasn't particularly profound or earth-shattering. But no, Trump responded with his usual ad hominem attacks, and those attacks made an indelible mark because they were directed at a war hero and his family. Now the Republicans are tripping all over each other, rushing to disavow Trump and support the Khans.

The Donald has shot himself in both feet this time.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Aug 16 - 08:39 AM

" F**K THE NI**ER !!! "

Trump supporters commenting on Pres. Obama. Plus much more!

Garbage supporting garbage.

Check it out:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/04/us/politics/donald-trump-supporters.html?_r=0

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: CupOfTea
Date: 04 Aug 16 - 02:26 PM

My friend Steve offered to try to scare me out of a case of hiccups. I didn't think it would work. Then he said:

"President Trump"

Scared me entire, hiccups died away.

This is prime time to be missing 'Spaw.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: robomatic
Date: 04 Aug 16 - 02:38 PM

Trump doesn't have enough respect for the truth to lie. He's a promoter. His specialty is B***S***. He will argue whatever is convenient to argue in his immediate environment, but this has no relevance on his next statement in his next environment. He is like Rush Limbaugh in this regard.
Ref: Harry Frankfurt, Princeton University Press

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Aug 16 - 02:59 PM

The Trumpshit isn't scary. He's just an ignorant, racist, misogynistic buffoon.

The brain-damaged assholes who support and will vote for him ARE scary.

We have raised up a nation of morons.

(Thanks for all those edjacashun budget cuts starting with Reagan, Republicraps)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Aug 16 - 05:24 PM

"The fact that he has already suggested that "vote rigging" will take place in November would make me think he intends to go the course. However the "vote rigging" will be an excuse for his failure to be elected."(Raggytash)

Which is a worrying thought. In other countries that kind of situation has been the spark of major disorder, even coups. And the presence of racists and armed gun nuts among those who'd be rejecting the outcome of the election would be particularly worrying.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Aug 16 - 06:04 PM

Make that armed racists and gun nuts, plus morons, Kevin.

A worrying situation, indeed.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 05:05 AM

A little perspective please. Mr Trump is no more of a danger to the Capitalist System than Mrs Clinton.

The only real chance to change has been bought off by the Democratic party.
Sleep easy children.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 05:09 AM

and the fault lies not at Mr Trumps door, but at the doors of all the so called leftists who held their noses and failed to support Mr Sanders.

I think it is shame which makes you all look for a scapegoat.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Charmion
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 08:27 AM

More disingenuousness from Akenaton.

Mrs Clinton has her faults (as do we all), but she clearly understands threats and risks, and takes her responsibilities seriously. She has never been heard to speculate about using "nukes" on anybody, let alone ISIS, as Mr Trump has recently done.

As a citizen and resident of Canada, a nation so tightly tied to the United States that our foreign policy is inextricably bound to theirs, I am frankly scared of Donald Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: mkebenn
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 08:29 AM

Trump as scapegoat? Come on, Ake. Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 09:51 AM

More disingenuousness from Akenaton.

Disingenuousness??? Its sheer lunacy. He seems to be spiralling downward by the hour.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 10:11 AM

Go for it Ake,
this discussion can not exist without you.

Trump as the ultimate scape goat would unite the country against him in unison. But that is not going to happen.
Goats do not scape themselves. Condemning the devil can be done by anyone from a suicide bomber to Obama to the Pope. Its all up to a learned, accepted or invented point of view.

For Ake trump represents a unique kind of truth teller while you may see trumpism as a total lie obeying only two rules residing in an empty shell of a man. Those two rules are revenge an exaggeration is salesmanship that works.

Everyone should know that the lessor of two evils is still evil. We should then consider which choice is less lethal.

We only assume which choice that will be in a world replete with disasters and endless revenge and beauty.





Trump for us sickens, and for others, thickens the hide and pride of an empty empathy free life.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Stu
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 10:15 AM

"I think it is shame which makes you all look for a scapegoat."

Not such a good argument Ake. In fact, not an argument at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 10:40 AM

edit. revenge and exaggeration...
edit. we only assume which choice is best in a world...


My father always studied both sides of an issue and the people behind those issues and how and why they thought that way.

If you do not know how your opponent thinks and why, you would make a very poor opponent yourself.


For many Trump supporters what takes the place of a college education is the drudge report, prison nation, glen beck, britebart and conservative conspiracy theory websites. They have been successful numerous times. Acorn, selling fetuses, the UN is attacking Texas....

The aim is not to be true but to make a base believe.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 12:10 PM

Not such a good argument Ake. In fact, not an argument at all.

Agreed. Simply sheer lunacy.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 01:22 PM

Each of us express ourselves and what we think we know.

We are not lunatics collectively
We are not morons.
We are not all liars or stellar students.

There is a reason that some of us think we are all or "they are all" morons.

By the grace of what education is afforded us, here we are.

The fragility of the human spirit to suggestion be it for evil greed or honest public service, is exactly the same as our benefit by placebo and hypnosis. Its close to 50-50.

Each of us have the capacity to find a kind of kinship with our polar opposites.


Lighten up
Brighten up
Enlighten up
or just light up

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 01:37 PM

Limited time only

Bi Partisan voting nose clips $1.99 each or 8 for $10.


all profits go to schools. Trust me!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Jack Campin
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 01:53 PM

Sites that anthologize Trumpisms:

http://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/08/trump-time-capsule-70-an-unwitting-agent-of-the-russian-federation/494705/

http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/donald-trump-speech-debates-and-campaign-quotes-1.11206532

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/01/28/upshot/donald-trump-twitter-insults.html

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 05:56 PM

We are not lunatics collectively

Perhaps not, but a majority of The Trumpshit's supporters are most certainly lunatics (and worse) individually.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 06:40 PM

I note that Noam Chomsky has recommended voting for Hillary in any swing state. And you don't have many more intelligent, honourable and consistent opponents of capitalism than him.

Mind, I don't think that talk about swing states in this election is too wise. There are too many variables which could mean states seen as predictably Red or Blue might turn out to confound the pundits.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 06:43 PM

And you don't have many more intelligent, honourable and consistent opponents of capitalism than him.

Amen, Kevin - Ake notwithstanding.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 08:24 PM

Greg I have to smile that you are consistently the 'good and angry guy'.
That is far better than the threatening guy.

we all mellow except when we come face to face with active fascism.
The intelligent are its first victims.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Stu
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 05:17 AM

Can anyone answer my question: Can the Repuplicans deselect Trump if they wanted to?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: mkebenn
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 08:21 AM

Yes, Stu, they did it to David Duke in his run for the LA house, but he won anyway. Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: gillymor
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 09:23 AM

The answer is yes,Stu, but it would be very difficult according to this article from The Daily Beast. From the article:

"The Republican Party rules states that "the Republican National Committee is hereby authorized and empowered to fill any and all vacancies which may occur by reason of death, declination, or otherwise of the Republican candidate for President of the United States or the Republican candidate for Vice President of the United States." They could do this by calling a new convention, or, more likely, casting votes remotely."

I guess "otherwise" is the key word. One thing this article doesn't seem to indicate, which I've read elsewhere, is that the RNC doesn't need to poll all the delegates again just to take a vote among it's 168 members. It's probably too late to dump him and have their slim chance at the presidency and too late to wash the stink of Trump off the party.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 09:32 AM

Funy you should mention the KKK's David Duke in conjunction with The Trumpshit......

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 09:34 AM

Just been looking at Mrs Clintons largest financial backers.

Saban Capital.....$10m
Pritzer............$8m
Soros FM............$7m
Paloma Group........$9m
Renaicance..........$10m

Huge number of smaller corporations......and Unions(nudge nudge) :0),
all contribution $millions.

Mr Trumps Campaign seems to be mainly self funded with a large number of individual contributions.


Oh no!! Hillary the Hawk is not in the pockets of the Corporations and we can look forward to some nice equality policies....not.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 09:37 AM

Wake up, Clueless Ake (some hope)- The Trumpshit IS a corporation in himself and the poster boy for corporatism.