BS: How to be well

Subject: BS: How to be well
From: Mr Red
Date: 15 Sep 16 - 05:29 AM

in a TED talk this medical guy packs a lot in but, some of it with humour. But what jumped out at me was his comment about having a good circle of friends/community and its benefits for health. He used an image which I will try to re-create:

   Illness
   Wellness

the full talk - http://www.ted.com/talks/dean_ornish_on_healing

I humbly submit that the Folk World is a positive vector in this context.

Subject: RE: BS: How to be well
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Sep 16 - 08:50 AM

...ermmm.. I used to think that about community art and music voluntary projects
until I became disillusioned with the increasing stress
of dealing with two-faced back-stabbing ruthless petty 'empire builders'...

.. eg retired tory small business owners who saw new territory to conquer and started invading and taking over
what were formerly young friendly laid-back lefty hippy local arts committees....,
just to keep themselves occupied with 'something to do with their retirement spare time'... 😩

Subject: RE: BS: How to be well
From: Senoufou
Date: 15 Sep 16 - 09:28 AM

I think it depends on one's personality. Some people enjoy solitude and don't wish for loads of friends and acquaintances. In fact, having a 'social circle' can be a kind of hell for those types.
Others (like me!) enjoy social interaction, and living as I do in a small village community where everyone knows me, I feel surrounded by friends and neighbours to whom I could turn to for help, who are genuinely interested in my welfare, and with whom I can have a good laugh and a joke.
However, even village life can have its downside. There have been lately quite a few 'skirmishes' among the residents, often provoked by gossip and repeating what someone said etc. These can become quite bitter and heated. I've learned over the years to repeat nothing anyone has said, to restrict my personal comments and opinions to only a trusted few, and to keep calm amid the storms.
I agree that well-being socially contributes much to physical health and well-being. Stress causes untold medical problems, and a supportive community reduces stress tremendously.

Subject: RE: BS: How to be well
From: Mr Red
Date: 15 Sep 16 - 05:52 PM

circle supposes nothing about size, and friends supposes nothing about the quality of the bond. But, I can't accept that people who are private and content with their own company do not have bonds, otherwise depression &/or weirdness sets in. Statistically those friends are a vector for reducing stress, and it is the stress that is the actual killer. It is well known that stress impairs the immune system. And the talker in the video has stats that show having friends and family (those that care) reduces stress, people who have that release are living longer as a group. He advocates other things, like small quantities of Alcohol, because it can dilate arteries which reduces the work the heart has to do.

Subject: RE: BS: How to be well
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Sep 16 - 10:04 PM

I like the I vs We part a LOT!

Subject: RE: BS: How to be well
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Sep 16 - 10:11 PM

I find the easiest way to be well is not to be sick or injured.

Subject: RE: BS: How to be well
From: Mr Red
Date: 16 Sep 16 - 03:03 AM

I find the easiest way to be well is not to be sick or injured

chose your parents carefully, did you?

Subject: RE: BS: How to be well
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 Sep 16 - 06:52 AM

I find that most stress is actually caused by other people... 🙄

Subject: RE: BS: How to be well
From: theleveller
Date: 16 Sep 16 - 07:37 AM

"Hell is other people." John Paul Sartre.

Subject: RE: BS: How to be well
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Sep 16 - 09:01 AM

Good advice is to contract only conditions you can't die of. Claude Choules, one of the last Tommies and a fine harmonica player, died at the age of 110, the seventh oldest man in the world. His wife Ethel lived to 98 and their marriage lasted 76 years. As is traditional with such long-lived folk, he was once asked what his secret was. His advice was very simple: don't forget to breathe!

Subject: RE: BS: How to be well
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Sep 16 - 10:22 PM

The capital WE in wellness and the capital I in illness is a nice feel good piece of rhetoric that is, with all due respect, nothing but cosmetics and psychological pipe dreams. Sure it is true for typical people but not the atypical.

Sounds good but ignores the child who can not see you and ignores you. It ignores the child who does not hear you. It ignores the child who offers you nothing by way of love or help.

It takes an extraordinary healer to save a child so withdrawn into themselves that most people would not even attempt a connection.

Only rarely does a healer devote the energy to save a Helen Keller.

Or my son.

Subject: RE: BS: How to be well
From: Senoufou
Date: 17 Sep 16 - 07:02 AM

Donuel, I'm so sorry about your son, that is very sad. I will pray that he might be healed. There's always hope, even in the darkest night.
Eliza

Subject: RE: BS: How to be well
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Sep 16 - 08:50 AM

In the old days they would cruelly shock a person into convulsions with electrity to thee brain then they noticed the shock could even be insulin shock.
Today the options are more humane. We all seek escapes of one sort or another but when when the withdrawal goes too far we rely on a kick start reboot. Many of us took reboot substances in college with great surprise and awakening. Society is changed for it.
The grand reboot for us is Monday. He will get his first shot of Ketamine with follow up a week after. Sub lingual ketamine lozenges are a option. I know it sounds like cherry ecstasy on a stick.

Yes it is experimental, yes FDA approval is months away but it is very safe and efficacious in cases where talk therapy is not enough.

Subject: RE: BS: How to be well
From: Senoufou
Date: 17 Sep 16 - 09:56 AM

Well, let's hope the first treatment on Monday will help him, and 'reboot' him. Good luck Donuel.

Subject: RE: BS: How to be well
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Sep 16 - 10:58 AM

It took a long time to get a provider to believe us and still we are blamed for not using strong medicine first.

Subject: RE: BS: How to be well
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Sep 16 - 02:16 PM

personal reviews:
https://www.drugs.com/comments/ketamine/