BS: 1 thing by 2 or more names, local-cosmic

Subject: BS: 1 thing by 2 or more names, local-cosmic
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Oct 16 - 08:27 PM

Cherry Hill Rd. turns into Randolph Ave. and then into Montrose which runs parallel to another Montrose. You too must have streets with several names.

This multiple naming problem exists everywhere from religion to politics to science. Sometimes two different things are correlated as one and is suddenly seen as a discovery. They were always one thing but had different perspectives attached so long, people only saw the two things. There is an old saying 'you can not teach anything new to someone who has spent a lifetime studying the old'.

I have often said there are still many undiscovered gold nuggets in General&Special relativity. I have also spoken about 2 forms of space. I will change the name of anti space to quantum space and pair it with our conventional 3D space.

The two most bizarre aspects of Einstein, Rosen and Podovsky are the concepts of wormholes and the spookiness of entangled actions at a distance. for almost 2 decades there has been talk of wormholes and spooky action at a distance are the same one thing.

The first thing you should know before I wrap this up is that black holes behave like giant quantum particles in many ways on the inside while the outside they can act like uber dense matter.

As quantum particles they can entangle and do other things quantum scale particles do. https://www.newscientist.com/article/2100985-black-hole-made-in-the-lab-shows-signs-of-quantum-entanglement/

When they entangle they make a special geometry which serves to create/grow a special space / time like threads weaving new space all the way to a equal black hole at great distance.

A single black hole can blow your mind but 2 entangled black holes with a non 3D internal bridge between them is unfathomable. The innumerable quantum threads / wormholes connecting them may weave a quantum space time of their own.

With this special geometry of quantum space along with normal space there are new relationships and perspectives that are opening up cosmology beyond the classical. There is talk of unification via these two forms of space, quantum and 3D.

Some of the old notions are epic failing such as nothing escapes a black hole. Heat escapes, atoms escape, neutrinos escape...they can even explode in cycles.

If you fell in you would not really exceed the speed of light since time slows down due to space time curvature from gravity to the point the space you enter curves into the literal future. As you know you can't travel into the past so, you are never coming back out.   

Some more data will come from the UK Euclid telescope and will tell us more about quantum like black holes and why our 3D space has begun to accelerate.

I am not saying all black holes are entangled but there is certainly more of them as the universe has aged. How this has effected the quantum space is becoming an answerable question. I s this why 3D space is accelerating?

Subject: RE: BS: 1 thing by 2 or more names, local-cosmic
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Oct 16 - 09:05 PM

More to explore;

Can quantum mechanical description of physical reality be considered complete? A. Einstein, B Poldosky and N Rosen in Physical Review Vol. 42 #10, pages 777-780 May 15 1935.

Cool horizons for entangled black holes. J Maldacena, L Susskind in Fortschritte der Physik. Vol.61 Sept 2013 2013


The particle problem in the General Theory of Relativity. Einstein & Rosen in Physical review. July1 1935

The obscure quantum phenomenom offers clues to the nature of space time, Juan Maldacena Scientific America Nov1 2016

Subject: RE: BS: 1 thing by 2 or more names, local-cosmic
From: BobL
Date: 30 Oct 16 - 03:32 AM

In his book "How to be an Alien", the late George Mikes went at some length into the peculiarities of English street names, an extreme case being a street with a different name on each side. Presumably for somebody driving down such a street, the name would be in a state of quantum superposition, resolved only when they stopped and got out on one side or the other.

Subject: RE: BS: 1 thing by 2 or more names, local-cosmic
From: Mr Red
Date: 30 Oct 16 - 03:59 AM

in West Bromwich (culturally a million miles from Birmingham UK, but!)
there is (was) a road called Pennyhill Lane, The local gov tried many times to paint out the kids' graffito but gave up in the end.
All the kids did was add a loop at the bottom of the P and make it into a B
The comedian would have approved.

and FWIW it turns into Water Lane further on.

In Stroud there is Lodgemore Lane aka Murder Lane in years gone by because that is where an unsolved murder occurred. It leads to Strachans Mill (pronounced Strawns) where Snooker table cloth (never baize) and tennis ball pile is made.

Subject: RE: BS: 1 thing by 2 or more names, local-cosmic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Oct 16 - 07:23 AM

For cricket aficionados only.

In my home town Radcliffe there was a council debate, many years ago now, to discuss what to call a street on a new estate that would be a fitting tribute to that great Lancashire fast bowler Brian Statham. "Statham Avenue" was eventually agreed on, but one of the alternative earlier suggestions had been "Brian Close."

Subject: RE: BS: 1 thing by 2 or more names, local-cosmic
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Oct 16 - 08:40 AM

Comey would agree, this may be pertinent information.

Subject: RE: BS: 1 thing by 2 or more names, local-cosmic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 30 Oct 16 - 09:53 AM

Cville has a ton of roads with same names but one is Street and one is Ave etc and they rarely, but not never, connect; also most streets change names over the course of their passage through town, sometimes several times; there are a lot of directions given by saying "stay in the right lane and ignore the name of the street for x miles" - and streets that keep their same name even though they don't actually go through certain blocks.

One of my favorite memories of having to laugh so hard I couldn't breathe was when I was walking somewhere, Halloween I think in 1986 or 87, tripping on acid, with 2 local friends (also tripping, one a know-it-all) and one friend from out of town (the babysitter), and a car pulled over to ask directions and the non-know-it-all and I instantly saw, in our tripping enhanced state, that a) in the group these poor people had chosen, 3 were tripping and the 4th was from out of town, b) you couldn't get to where they wanted to go from where they were without extreme complications as they had just missed their turn, and c) that the know-it-all was, nonetheless, going to try to give them directions - and instantly died laughing in each other's arms while the babysitter grinned his 4-inch grin and the people in the car grew very large eyes. Priceless. Thank you for reminding me of that.

Subject: RE: BS: 1 thing by 2 or more names, local-cosmic
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Oct 16 - 05:22 PM

A different name for each side of the street tears it all.

Mrzzy beware of Dunkin Donuts on acid. Everything turns into plastic


Sci Fi fans: Entangled Black Holes offers bold new destinstions and possibilities.

Subject: RE: BS: 1 thing by 2 or more names, local-cosmic
From: TheSnail
Date: 30 Oct 16 - 06:19 PM

This is, perhaps, the opposite. Touring the World (as I do) by Google Maps, I was delighted to discover the town of Accident, Maryland. There is a grid plan in what must be the original settlement. The main drag, running roughly north to south, is called Main St. It's extension to the north is called North Main St and that to the south South Main St.. The parallel road to the west is in two parts called South North St and North North St. North North St turns east at the top to join Main St.
South St branches off Main St near the centre of town heading east until it reaches the eastern side of the grid plan which is divided into North South St and South St. There is no South South St because South Main St takes a jink to the left to join the southerly end of South St. The road that continues the line of South Main St heading south is called Main St Exd. I have no idea what that means.

Subject: RE: BS: 1 thing by 2 or more names, local-cosmic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Oct 16 - 06:33 PM

My gran, who died in 1965, claimed to have once lived in Every Street in Nelson, Lancs. It's still there.

Subject: RE: BS: 1 thing by 2 or more names, local-cosmic
From: Mr Red
Date: 31 Oct 16 - 04:02 AM

Wiki on Accident
I was tempted to look for North by North West Street.
Just to make it fitting for a music forum, residents are called Accidentals

Subject: RE: BS: 1 thing by 2 or more names, local-cosmic
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Oct 16 - 05:19 AM

They wouldn't be called that if they were à la mode...

Subject: RE: BS: 1 thing by 2 or more names, local-cosmic
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 31 Oct 16 - 06:25 AM

Little Ilford in East London has Ronnie Lane.

Subject: RE: BS: 1 thing by 2 or more names, local-cosmic
From: DMcG
Date: 31 Oct 16 - 08:08 AM

I think Snail's example arises from this American wish for street names to make sense. I am not sure if the UK never thought it was possible or simply gave up on it. The nearest you get to it is that in some area many of the streets are named after poets, or aircraft, or something like that but more than half a dozen in succession is unusual. And even there, there is no obvious order poets should appear.

There may be some new towns or similar where the namng does make sense, but it would not work because no one would expect it. When I was buying a house some years back a lot of agents leaflets (yes, it was that long ago!) referred to the "ever popular ABC estate". I had lived in my house for around a year before I realised I was on the ABC estate, so named - only by estate agents, as far as i can tell -because four of them off Eversley Avenue had names starting with a, b, c and d in order. Of course, having the spine name starting with E meant it all broke down after that and the rest of the names were as haphazard as usual.

Subject: RE: BS: 1 thing by 2 or more names, local-cosmic
From: Mr Red
Date: 31 Oct 16 - 10:26 AM

I live in Little Australia, reputedly the site of an Australian Army camp during the war, though which we have no knowledge, or if true. eg Albany in Oz
I had a girlfriend who lived in Canada Way, Worcester.

And yes all (?) the roads were named for the respective theme.

Subject: RE: BS: 1 thing by 2 or more names, local-cosmic
From: Jack Campin
Date: 31 Oct 16 - 11:25 AM

I used to live on a street with different names on each side. Leith Walk in Edinburgh was not originally a street at all, but an earthwork for gun emplacements built by Cromwell's army in 1650. Leading down to it at the top is Leith Street, which partly overlaps what used be Leith Wynd (a twisty cart track down a steep hill which was once the site of the town gibbet). From where that stops, the middle of the street is Leith Walk and the sides have different names, changing every block, for about a mile (named after the landowners who developed blocks of flats there in the 19th century). The bottom half is in Leith. I was in Haddington Place, looking across Leith Walk to Elm Row which I don't think even had any elms when it was built.

Meanwhile Leith Roads is not a road at all - it's the deepwater channel leading up the Firth of Forth towards Leith, but it hugs the Fife coast as far away from Leith as you get. And Inverleith ought to mean "the mouth of the Leith", after the Water of Leith which does in fact end up in Leith, but Inverleith is a mile from the sea and hasn't been any closer since there were humans in Scotland. And Leith-Hall is in Aberdeenshire 200 miles away.

Subject: RE: BS: 1 thing by 2 or more names, local-cosmic
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 01 Nov 16 - 06:53 AM

One road with different names on opposite sides is not unknown.
In city centres it often resulted from the knocking down of a row (or two rows back to back) of houses to widen main roads to make way for trams etc. The result was a much wider road, with opposite sides being remainders of the original two streets. (so keeping those names)

Subject: RE: BS: 1 thing by 2 or more names, local-cosmic
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Nov 16 - 11:42 AM

I lived on Normal Ave. . It was formerly 13th street.

Subject: RE: BS: 1 thing by 2 or more names, local-cosmic
From: Mr Red
Date: 02 Nov 16 - 04:45 AM

So it is normal to be unlucky?

In Tewkesbury UK there is (& I collect these juxtaposional treasures)

Mount Pleasant Road, and Back of Mount Pleasant and nearby, Union Passage. All in the vicinity of Chance St. Oooer missus!
And there is a Mount Pleasant in Penistone. A conmpany named for a road that hides well on streetmap.com - a lot these names do I have found!