BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread

Subject: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: mg
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 06:00 PM

I am going to ask for a moderated thread also to prevent abuse. Please post anything here you want. Post your more private thoughts on the moderated thread, assuming we get one. I personally will not post anything on this one and will on a moderated thread. It is too sacred a day to deal with abusive people.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 06:13 PM

Dulce et Decorum Est

By Wilfred Owen

Use Up/Down Arrow keys to increase or decrease volume.
Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs,
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of gas-shells dropping softly behind.

Gas! GAS! Quick, boys!—An ecstasy of fumbling
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime.—
Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

In all my dreams before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,—
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Raedwulf
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 06:28 PM

Nice idea, mg. Posted on your preferred 'moderated' thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 06:59 PM

I won't watch remembrance Day ceremonies for two reasons. First, they are highly militarised and infested by royalty. Second, they are not about the German dead, the Japanese dead, the near-million Iraqi civilian dead, the thousands of Gaza innocents, the kids in south Lebanon who have had their legs blown off by US/Israeli cluster bomblets, the teenage Argentine conscripts who died in order to keep Thatcher in power and the thousands of Vietnamese killed in the US/Soviet proxy war, among lots of others. If we can't "remember" all the dead in all the conflicts, all of whom died where they did because of the accident of their births, well I prefer to keep my remembrance private.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 07:35 PM

I find it somewhat ironic that the abuse that tne other thread wished to avoid has just started, not here but over there.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 08:07 PM

There should be sympathy for the poor bastards that volunteered and got thenselves killed for bugger all.

It was ever thus.

See Wilfred Owen, above.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: bobad
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 08:22 PM

I find it somewhat ironic that the abuse that tne other thread wished to avoid has just started, not here but over there.

One thread is for arseholes. (Like those who bitch and moan about having two threads on the thread that is meant to be from such activity)

The other is for those who honour them who fought and died for the freedom of arseholes to be arseholes.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 08:26 PM

I've posted two poems on the other thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 08:39 PM

O wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!
It wad frae mony a blunder free us,
An' foolish notion

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Nov 16 - 06:31 AM

Dunno which I should post this on really but here goes...

I always think of my Grandad, Alf Stanley, on Armistice day. He fought in the first world war and was wounded, not once but twice and sent back both times. He lost part of his tongue to a bullet that, luckily, passed through his neck and cheek with no other damage in one incident. In the other he was blinded in one eye during a gas attack. He joined as a Lancashire Fusileer and ended up as a Welsh one!

His proudest memory though was rescuing a young girl from down a well. For that he received a French "actes de courage" medal which was his prize possession and I now have custody of. Why Armistice day always reminds me is that, on remembrance parade, he wore the French medal alongside his other campaign medals and used to have a good laugh when anyone had a go at him for wearing his medal ribbon showing blue, white and red instead of the usual British red, white and blue :-)

He related to me that on one occasion when he was wearing the medal he met some Frenchmen over here for Armistice day. Although he could not fully understand what they were saying, he got the gist that they would like to thank him by buying him a drink. He reckons he woke up 2 days later :-D

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Iains
Date: 11 Nov 16 - 06:47 AM

Poignant in the extreme:

When You Go Home,
Tell Them Of Us And Say,
For Their Tomorrow,
We Gave Our Today.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Raedwulf
Date: 11 Nov 16 - 07:02 AM

DavetG - luvverly story! Thank you for sharing. On either thread! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Nov 16 - 07:48 AM

Have told this story before, but worth telling again - if only to set our tame jingoist frothing at the mouth again.
Just after I moved to London in 1969 I received a request from my mate in Liverpool asking me to record his Grandfather, Tommy Kenny, who was then getting on in years and had spent an extremely interesting lifetime as a soldiers and as a Trades Unionist on the Liverpool Docks.
For several days, Tommy enthralled me, sandra Kerr, John Faulkner and his grandson, relating his memories.
We had worried that he might be put off by the tape recorder, but after the first five minutes, he forgot we were there and spent the next three days reliving his experiences.
He told how he and several of his mates lied about their ages and enlisted - none of them had been able to get jobs and all thought it would be a good way of breaking the monotony and maybe be able to ease the burden on their families.
He told us of how the pomposity of their 'superiors' provided endless entertainment and how the 'barrack-room patriots' were regarded with humorous contempt - the moral boosting diatribes of the latter were greeted with loud renditions of "Tell me the old, old story".
He broke down in tears twice - the first time being when he described have had the tops of his ears blown off by a misfiring gun in gun emplacement (two of his mates were killed).
The other time was when he described how deserters who had "walked away from the noise", were picked up, imprisoned and routinely tried and sentenced to death.
They were locked away awaiting execution, but when there was a big push on, they were taken out and pushed over the top first.
If they survived, they were locked away again and later their death sentence was carried out.
Tommy burst into tears when he described having stood in the trenches swapping fags with someone whose name was later posted up l as having been shot for cowardice.
Funny thing, war!!
Hopefully we'll now get the 'official version' from our pet flag-wagger telling us how "soldiers tell lies" and none of this is true, along with his (unqualified, of course) account of the rule book.
Tommy's tapes are housed with our collection at the British Library and we are awaiting a response to our offer to donate them to the Imperial War Museum, along with Pat's Grandfather's postcards from the front in Belgium and her family photographs of Central London in the blitz .
Don't suppose anybody has experienced the formidable forms you need to fill in before you can deposit material in the I.W.M.?
Somewhat off-putting, we thought, but preferable than bunging them in the bin, I suppose.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Nov 16 - 09:53 AM

In Flanders Fields
by John McCrae, May 1915

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.

Inspiration for "In Flanders Fields"
During the early days of the Second Battle of Ypres a young Canadian artillery officer, Lieutenant Alexis Helmer, was killed on 2nd May, 1915 in the gun positions near Ypres. An exploding German artillery shell landed near him. He was serving in the same Canadian artillery unit as a friend of his, the Canadian military doctor and artillery commander Major John McCrae.

As the brigade doctor, John McCrae was asked to conduct the burial service for Alexis because the chaplain had been called away somewhere else on duty that evening. It is believed that later that evening, after the burial, John began the draft for his now famous poem "In Flanders Fields".

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Nov 16 - 07:58 PM

I haven't really been able to stop crying all day, it's just too much. August my kid gets really sick, September I lose my job with no realistic possibility of ever working in my field again, October our cat from my kids' childhood died, and November, well, happened. And today is Armistice Day and the Americans turn it into Veteran's Day and glorify war, instead of acknowledging its horrors and working to end it, and all I can think about is my dad being a pacifist and killed by terrorists anyway and how much he would have HATED all the let's bomb the Arabs till the Moslems love us crap, and how much I hate it and all bigotry that it foments. Listening to Leonard Cohen's The Partisan, mostly to the French half.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Raedwulf
Date: 12 Nov 16 - 10:34 AM

Have a hug, Mrrzy. I'm sure everyone else will join in quite soon...

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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: keberoxu
Date: 12 Nov 16 - 08:55 PM

Mrrzy et alia! Try some live-in-concert humor. It's Flanders and Swann with "All Gall" and a few more topical songs.

Live in 1967

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: keberoxu
Date: 05 Nov 18 - 05:52 PM

Think on this, a moment, as I'm doing.

This thread appeared after the election of our
currently serving US President.

Now here come the "mid-term" elections, tomorrow is Election Day.
And the Remembrance Day, by whatever name you call it,
will follow within a week's time.

I'm surely not the only person who has been
wrestling with heart-sickness and discouragement this year.
Today happens to be an up day,
the previous days were very very down for me.
I haven't seen the last of the latter, I am certain.

This is a good thread for me to look at
when things are more down than up. Thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Thompson
Date: 06 Nov 18 - 01:53 PM

Mrrzy, what kind of job? So sorry your kid's sick and hope for a strong recovery. Take comfort: I had severe rheumatic fever at eleven; I'm a crock, but I'm an old and relatively healthy crock.

I find the fascistic display of poppies that the English are going on with absolutely horrible. I know the money goes towards helping veterans: that's their government's job.

There was a stark difference between the French celebration of Armistice Day last year - the Germans were invited; it was a commemoration of grief and horror and loss - and the disgusting and crazy triumphalism of the British celebrations - there's no other word - now.

I don't want to say it, but I think the British are gearing up for a war, against anyone weak enough to be a good target.

And if you want to hear what the British of earlier years thought about the 'Great' war, take a look on YouTube for an extract from Only Fools and Horses - the sequence is called "Homes for Heroes".

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: keberoxu
Date: 06 Nov 18 - 04:05 PM

Much of the music, and song lyrics, that I survey and document elsewhere -- being quote-unquote classical music -- comes from a different century altogether than this one.

To be specific, it's mostly the turn from the 1700's into the first half of the 1800's; said another way, the transition from the eighteenth century into the nineteenth century. I especially find myself dwelling on French-language and German-language writings of the time.

And what an edifying contrast there is between the German-speaking lyricists, composers, and music-loving, German-speaking public of the early 1800's, as well as the French-speaking ones, with those of the early 2000's.

It makes me stop and think, to read Thompson's description of the French and the Germans of today, commemorating the events of 1917. In 1817, and for generations after, the German-speaking governments and nations saw things very differently indeed, and it all plays out in the song lyrics sung by the "Gesangvereinen" in which German-speaking men sang in choruses.

Napoleon in one century; Hitler in a later century; entire countries polarized for or against them, and the nationalism growing ever more intense. "Triumphalism" is a fit word for much of the sentiment in those places at that time.

I fear that the United States has much to learn before we can do as the French and Germans are capable of doing when they commemorate Armistice Day.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Mossback
Date: 07 Nov 18 - 05:57 PM

Red poppies, white poppies- screw it. Here's the real deal:

Dulce et Decorum Est
    -Wilfred Owen

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs,
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of gas-shells dropping softly behind.

Gas! GAS! Quick, boys!—An ecstasy of fumbling
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And flound’ring like a man in fire or lime.—
Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

In all my dreams before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin;

If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,—
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Nov 18 - 07:11 PM

I don't like Owen's poetry much but the last two lines there go straight to the heart of things.

My great Uncle Jimmy was killed at the ballsed-up Gallipoli landings in August 1915. Nineteen he was. My grandad's beloved older brother. No body, no grave, just a mention on the Helles memorial and his name, misspelled, on a plaque in Salford Cathedral. I imagine him dying wallowing in the soft wet sand as they landed on the wrong side of the bay, target practice for Johnny Turk. It hasn't exactly helped me to be a fan of Winston's. How my family's history might have been different, happier, had those men not been so "well-led..."

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Mossback
Date: 07 Nov 18 - 08:28 PM

Owen ain't all that far wrong ya know ---
One my progenitors was killed in the line of duty fighting for the Union in the battle of the Wilderness 1864 - unmarked grave, now under some suburbanites hot tub in suburban Virginia..

Gent gave his life for those fundamental principals of U.S democracy that Trump and the Trumpists are doing their best to destroy.

And the young people ask
"What are they marching for?"
And I ask myself the same question.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Nov 18 - 08:47 PM

Owen's sentiments are wonderful. I find his language coarse and strained. He was writing in the trenches so I hear his voice and his message loud and clear without necessarily admiring his delivery.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: keberoxu
Date: 09 Nov 18 - 06:54 PM

I always get that Owen poem mixed up with
this one:

Does it matter? -- losing your legs?
For people will always be kind,
And you need not show that you mind,
When others come in after hunting
To gobble their muffins and eggs.

Does it matter? -- losing your sight?
There's such splendid work for the blind;
And people will always be kind,
As you sit on the terrace remembering
And turning your face to the light.

Do they matter? -- those dreams in the pit?
You can drink and forget and be glad,
And people won't say that you're mad;
For they know that you've fought for your country,
And no one will worry a bit.

Siegfried Lorraine Sassoon

(what a crushing name for an innocent baby boy...)

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 09 Nov 18 - 07:51 PM

It is all very well to bemoan the futility of war, and to quote Wilfred Owen.
But the men who marched off to war (to a great extent) believed they were doing so for the right reasons. So that another country could not extend their lands by force of arms, and subdue other countries which should have an equal right to live in peace.

Armistice day, and Remembrance Sunday, are there so that we can all recall those who died that a degree of freedom could live.

They shall grow not old,as we that are left grow old.
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun, and in the morning,
We will remember them.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Nov 18 - 08:46 PM

"They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old.
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun, and in the morning,
We will remember them."

Those lines were composed on the cliffs between Pentireglaze Farm and Pentire Point in north Cornwall, in a spot overlooking the Rumps peninsula, in September 1914 by Laurence Binyon. It's a spot commemorated by a little stone plaque which most walkers overlook, as it's ten yards or so off the coast path and it isn't signposted. We go there at least two or three times a year and we wanted especially to go there this Sunday. Alas, that won't be possible for us, but we'll go there one day next week. It just has to be one of the most beautiful places in the world. My ashes will be scattered about a mile away, in a rather special spot.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Nov 18 - 08:47 PM

Which is all less than twenty miles from my house.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Mossback
Date: 10 Nov 18 - 10:45 AM

the men who marched off to war (to a great extent) believed they were doing so for the right reasons

Also true for the Confederates in 1861-65, George Custer's and Chivington's boys in the Indian Wars, U.S. troops in the "Philipine Insurrection"[sic], Japanese & German troops in WW II, Western troops in Viet Nam & Cambodia (Hi, Kissinger!), & etc., etc., etc.

Your point being how easily people can be enlisted as true believers for any cause & facts be damned??

***********

Steve, if you're accepting donations to GET that spot signposted, give me a shout - glad to contribute.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Iains
Date: 10 Nov 18 - 03:51 PM

"the men who marched off to war (to a great extent) believed they were doing so for the right reasons"
There were also 250,000 underage soldiers served, the youngest only 12.
They were also all volunteers until conscription started in March 1916.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Senoufou
Date: 10 Nov 18 - 04:46 PM

In Norwich today we saw two young Army personnel dressed in very accurate replica uniforms of WW1. They had collecting tins and poppies.

Husband was invited to have his photo taken between them and he was absolutely delighted. (We were both wearing our poppies.)
It was nice to see these two young men dressed exactly like my grandfather, who was lucky enough to survive that War, (albeit with his thumb shot off!). I felt a bit emotional.

Sister has sent me a photo of her church tower (Scottish village) with a cascade of lovely knitted poppies descending in a thick curtain, one for each of the lives lost in that area.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Nov 18 - 06:36 PM

Had a bit of a sad day today. After my dad died three weeks ago, we had to move my mum down here into a residential home very quickly. We think we've done her proud, and she seems happy where she is now, just ten minutes from our house, even after a 300-mile journey (she's pretty disabled and ninety years old). It's been a tough few weeks but we're getting there. This afternoon we were talking about her Uncle Jimmy, my great uncle, who died at Gallipoli in 1915. He was my grandad's older brother and my childhood parish priest's (Father Davis, a good Salford lad) best friend. I mentioned Uncle Jimmy in an earlier post. We've been watching the Albert Hall WWI commemoration tonight. I love Roses Are Shining In Picardy, as I heard it so many times as a little lad on my dad's gramophone, sung by the incomparable Peter Dawson. Then Bryn Terfel led a lovely rendition of Amazing Grace, which totally wrecked me, as I'd played it on my harmonica at my dad's funeral. No-one on this planet knew more about WWI than my dad, and he was famous oop north for his illustrated talks on the topic. What a pity he didn't make it to this weekend. I have hundreds of his slides to work through.

I'll be doing the Rumps walk very soon to visit the Laurence Binyon plaque. We need a nicer day than the ones we've been having lately!

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Senoufou
Date: 11 Nov 18 - 03:16 AM

I'm very sorry for the loss of your dad Steve.
It sounds as if you've made a good choice of residential home for your mum.
I too watched the commemoration on TV. I thought both Peter Dawson and especially Bryn Terfel were superb, and I too shed a few tears at Amazing Grace.
Today they will ring the changes on the bells in our church tower at 11 o'clock.
And pray for Peace and the end of all War.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Senoufou
Date: 11 Nov 18 - 09:32 AM

I've just looked it up, and apparently there were 20,000 Ivorians fighting in WW1 and 30,000 in WW2. They were mostly attached to Senegal regiments. (Both countries were French colonies)

I visited a special military cemetery in Senegal once, where several hundred casualties were buried, and the local feeling was that no-one remembers these War Dead. I bought a few rather exotic flowers from a local market and laid them on the tiny Memorial there. It was completely deserted, and I felt very sad.

Ghana and Nigeria too contributed many military fighters.
Just wanted to mention them today, as W Africa is dear to my heart.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: keberoxu
Date: 11 Nov 18 - 10:58 AM

Someone has to say it in so many words,
might as well be clumsy old keberoxu.

Today is the day:
the hundredth year anniversary,
the centennial of the Armistice,
of 11 November 1918.

Tomorrow, in the US,
is a holiday, with banks and post offices closed.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 12 Nov 18 - 12:54 PM

I'm not too sure that it was entirely satisfactory of Corbyn to wear a scruffy grey anorak for the wreath laying at the Cenotaph yesterday, after all there does seem to be a generally accepted dress code of a dark overcoat.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Senoufou
Date: 12 Nov 18 - 01:08 PM

Yes Bonzo, I thought the same. The Internet is buzzing with criticism.
Michael Foot wore a donkey jacket years ago didn't he?
I suppose it's what's in the heart not what's on your back, but it was the wrong moment to make a statement of, "I'm not with these Posh Nobs!"
I was very surprised to see that Prince Philip was out that afternoon driving a carriage. I'd imagined he is now too old and frail to attend at the Cenotaph. But if he's fit enough to drive two horses, he should have been there on the balcony!

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Nov 18 - 02:44 PM

Michel Foot did not wear a donkey jacket and Jeremy Corbyn did not wear an anorak. Now do feel free to carry on.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Nov 18 - 02:44 PM

Neither did Michael Foot.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Jeri
Date: 12 Nov 18 - 03:02 PM

Wow.
Now it's 2016!
Let's all get back in the Tardis.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Senoufou
Date: 12 Nov 18 - 03:14 PM

I was moved by those excellent portraits of individuals who'd lost their lives in WW1 drawn in the sand on some of our beaches. Wasn't that clever?
And they rang a peal on all fourteen bells at St Peter Mancroft in Norwich. Wonderful sound.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: keberoxu
Date: 12 Nov 18 - 08:41 PM

Was it indeed H. G. Wells
who spoke of the war to end all wars?

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Jeri
Date: 12 Nov 18 - 08:51 PM

No.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Senoufou
Date: 13 Nov 18 - 02:52 AM

keberoxu, H G Wells wrote a book whose title was 'The War That Will End War'.
It's sad that people believed WW1 would actually be the last one. If only...

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day 2016 open thread
From: Jack Campin
Date: 13 Nov 18 - 12:23 PM

This might be news to some people. The sheer scale of it was to me.

How did WW1 actually end?