Obit: So long, Fidel Castro (1926-2016)

Subject: RE: BS: So long, Fidel
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Nov 16 - 12:00 PM

Right, just like your boy is David Duke

Actually, Bubo, Duke is Trump's boy & vice versa.

And you try to tell me that people had good health care? and education?

Much better than poor folks in general in the U.S., Leeneia. Check out Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Detroit........

Subject: RE: BS: So long, Fidel
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Nov 16 - 11:50 AM

" "there have been few examples of repression of homosexuals in history as virulent as in Cuba."
"Havana targeting homosexuals,"
"there have been few examples of repression of homosexuals in history as virulent as in Cuba."
"One of the darkest periods of the repression occurred in 1963"
In 1963, homosexuality was a crime in Britain, and remained so for another four years.
Castro Government had one hell of a mess to clean up after the defeat of America's puppet - pro revolutionary Cuba was wher the U.S. perverts of every shape and delectation went to 'fulfil their desires'
That excesses took place is hardly a surprising reaction

"a euphemism for concentration camps,"
The only concentration camp on Cuba today is on Guantanamo Bay - run by ????
Certainly not the Cubans
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: So long, Fidel
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Nov 16 - 11:32 AM

"And you try to tell me that people had good health care? and education?"
I don#t tell you anything - it is a long accepted and established fact - look it up.
Shortages of certain commodities by a country subjected to a fifty-year old embargo, prove nothing, I'm afraid.
It's strange to look at what happened to the countries that shook of the chains of repression' since the fall of communism - Russia and former Yugoslavia, being prime examples - Putin and mass genocide freeodom - I hardly think so!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: So long, Fidel
From: bobad
Date: 26 Nov 16 - 11:29 AM

I was not aware that Castro "ruled by terror."

According to Castro's own estimates, at one point there were as many as 15,000 political prisoners in Cuba. One of the darkest periods of the repression occurred in 1963 when Castro approved "Operation P," named because of a black "P" (for pimps, prostitutes, pederasts) emblazoned on the uniforms of those arrested. The operation saw Castro's newly formed secret police sweep through Havana targeting homosexuals, religious believers, and "deviants"—often no more than men with long hair and blue jeans. Those rounded up were placed in UMAPs (Military Units to Help Production), a euphemism for concentration camps, and forced to do hard labor. According to the poet Armando Valladares, imprisoned by Castro in 1960, "there have been few examples of repression of homosexuals in history as virulent as in Cuba."

These are just a few examples, there are many more if you care to look.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/11/26/adios-caudillo-fidel-castro-dead-at-90.html?source=TDB&via=FB_Page>The Daily Beast

Subject: RE: BS: So long, Fidel
From: leeneia
Date: 26 Nov 16 - 11:21 AM

Some years ago, the husband of a co-worker of mine was going back to Cuba to visit family. His suitcase was extremely heavy. He showed his wife what was in it: nothing but bars of Dial soap, which would be valuable in Cuba.

He explained that every family got one bar of poor-quality soap a month.

And you try to tell me that people had good health care? and education? In a country that did not provide soap?

Subject: RE: BS: So long, Fidel
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Nov 16 - 11:13 AM

"When you take away peoples' rights and freedoms you better give them something in return "
When a people has lived i mass poverty and repression throughout its history, any advancement will need to be made without outside interference - shortly after the seizure of power by the revolutionaries, Cuba has suffered a barrage of deadly opposition from its nearest neighbour.
Cuba was virtually a slave state where American tourists went to watch the women be fucked by donkeys - should those waiting in the wings get their way, that is what it will return to.
It is only recently that Obama has lifted the ban on rum and cigars - he proposed that the lifting of the rest of the 50 year old embargo be considered by congress - your friend Trump is unlikely to allow that to happen.
There may be plenty of countries who don't rule by "terror" (odd word for a supporter of the world's most dangerous terrorist State), but there none anywhere on the planet who have been under threat by the World's most powerful state who have constantly attempted to bring down its leadership through terrorist measures and have used nearly all of that half century to starve the people into submission.
Cuba has its democratic shortcomings, but which country on the planet doesn't?
It's threatening nearest neighbour has just elected a fascist, racist, misogynist, politically-illiterate thug as president, and Britain will follow that thug just like a pet poodle - how 'democratic' is that?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: So long, Fidel
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Nov 16 - 11:09 AM

I was not aware that Castro "ruled by terror." Idle talk driven by prejudice. Grow up.

Subject: RE: BS: So long, Fidel
From: bobad
Date: 26 Nov 16 - 10:57 AM

Your boy Trump's.....

Right, just like your boy is David Duke.....idiot!

Subject: RE: BS: So long, Fidel
From: bobad
Date: 26 Nov 16 - 10:46 AM

Cuba has the most advanced education system and health service in the whole of Latin America

When you take away peoples' rights and freedoms you better give them something in return - even the most repressive dictators know that they won't last long if they don't. There are plenty countries with advanced education and health systems that don't rule by terror.

Subject: RE: BS: So long, Fidel
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Nov 16 - 10:24 AM

Your boy Trump's pretty good at fawning over Putin, Bubo.

Subject: RE: BS: So long, Fidel
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Nov 16 - 10:09 AM

A HISTORY of U.S, POLICY TOWARDS CUBA
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: So long, Fidel
From: EBarnacle
Date: 26 Nov 16 - 10:08 AM

Sounds like Trumpism, Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: So long, Fidel
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Nov 16 - 10:04 AM

"who ruled his people by terror."
And is now to be celebrated by those he "terrorised" for five days.
Cuba has the most advanced education system and health service in the whole of Latin America - those who wish to "return it to its rightful owners" have promised that they will dismantle both when they win Cuba back.
One of the Golden Rules of State terrorism is that you never, ever educate those you wish to terrorise, nor do you expend too much effort in keeping them healthy.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: So long, Fidel
From: bobad
Date: 26 Nov 16 - 09:55 AM

I am not surprised that Bobad has added Cuba to his hit-list of States that don't bow down to the rich and powerful of the world....

And I am not surprised that Carroll would fawn over a repressive dictator who ruled his people by terror.

Subject: RE: BS: So long, Fidel
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Nov 16 - 09:35 AM

Should of added, it shouldn't be too long now before Ake makes up the trio
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: So long, Fidel
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Nov 16 - 09:33 AM

Castro's Cuba held the most powerful and aggressive State in the world, 90 miles off its shores, at arms length for half a century - that, apart from lifting the country output of american-backed fascism - that ought to be worth a chest-ful f medals, at least.
Personally, Castro survived 87 C.I.A. assassination attempts and the country suppressed one abortive invasions - again, supported and armed by the world's most powerful and aggressive State, 90 miles off its shores.
It has survived a 4+ decade long embargo, imposed by the U.S. and slavishly followed by 'The Fee World' (sic)
In those circumstances, it is a bit unreal to expect an open and free society to develop naturally - the new State has been in a permanent state of siege for most of it's conversion from the "America's open sewer' that it was, to what it has become now.
Some years ago, I watched a documentary on those sadly pathetic exiles who backed the Bay of Pigs fiasco - still proudly claiming that, on Castro's death, Cuba would be returned to its rightful owners - the handful of families who allowed Cuba to be used as a brothel and money-launderer for the scum of the earth - from Al Capone down.
I am not surprised that Bobad has added Cuba to his hit-list of States that don't bow down to the rich and powerful of the world Bozo- No Brain is where he always has been - the rightest of right.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: So long, Fidel
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Nov 16 - 09:22 AM

Well I didn't exactly expect a string of eulogies, but something a bit more measured than "good riddance" would be good. Perhaps you're yearning for a return to something like a Fulgencio Batista regime. Yeah, that would keep those pesky third-worlders in line...

Subject: RE: BS: So long, Fidel
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 26 Nov 16 - 08:49 AM

Good riddance.

Subject: RE: BS: So long, Fidel
From: bobad
Date: 26 Nov 16 - 08:49 AM

a lot of small countries will have no option but to adopt the Cuban template very soon.

And end up in the the toilet just like Venezuela.

Subject: RE: BS: So long, Fidel
From: Stu
Date: 26 Nov 16 - 08:43 AM

RIP Fray Bentos.

Subject: RE: BS: So long, Fidel
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Nov 16 - 08:25 AM

Not really the end of an era, a lot of small countries will have no option but to adopt the Cuban template very soon.

Very nicely said Steve....

Subject: RE: BS: So long, Fidel
From: bobad
Date: 26 Nov 16 - 08:16 AM

Shortly after coming to power in 1959, a heavily whiskered Fidel Castro informed the American journalist Edward R. Murrow that, "when we have fulfilled our promise of good government, I will cut my beard." For over half a century the Cuban people waited on the fulfillment of both those promises.

Subject: RE: BS: So long, Fidel
From: Mrrzy
Date: 26 Nov 16 - 08:01 AM

The passing of an era.

Subject: RE: BS: So long, Fidel
From: Senoufou
Date: 26 Nov 16 - 06:38 AM

I believe he was 90 years old. Amazing that he was still about.

Subject: BS: So long, Fidel
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Nov 16 - 06:32 AM

He defied the yanks for half a century having kicked out the thugs they supported (so what's new?), and, if only I could stop there, it would almost amount to a mini-hagiography. But he could be ruthless and was no democrat. Good things happened in Cuba with regard to health care, agriculture and education, even in the teeth of the spiteful embargo. So maybe I'll have to overlook the fact that he had the superpowers putting the shits up all of us and wasn't too nice to his adversaries. I'll raise half a glass to him tonight!