BS: Life Expectancy US - UK

Subject: BS: Life Expectancy US - UK
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Dec 16 - 08:37 AM

After reaching a plateau for two years in the US life expectancy has dropped due to behavioral and mental health issues. In my opinion the cause of the destructive mental health behavioral is simply the blow back from the Wall Street cannibalism of the global economy in 2008.

Alcoholism, opioid addiction, suicide and elated diseases are all up.
Only cancer went down while the top ten killers(stroke diabetes, heart...) all went up !
If an American is over 65 life expectancy is the same as Europe.

The UK life expectancy is 84.74 and ranks 33 all nations.
The US ranks 43 at 82.27 years of aamong ge.

The top 3 nations are
Monaco 8952
Japan 84.74
Singapore 84.6
-
Israel 82.27
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Germany80.57


The US has not declined like this since 1993.

Subject: RE: BS: Life Expectancy US - UK
From: Senoufou
Date: 09 Dec 16 - 09:01 AM

If the top three are 89.52, 84.74 and 84.6, then how can UK be number 33 with our life expectancy at 84.74? It's the same as Japan...

I wonder if diet and related obesity have an impact on life expectancy? There seems to be a huge rise in obesity in US and UK. And the lack of fresh fruit and vegetables, which figure in the Mediterranean diet, must be a factor.
The Japanese eat lots of fish, which is supposed to be excellent for health.
Interesting Donuel. But will people change their habits, or just carry on doing what they do?

Subject: RE: BS: Life Expectancy US - UK
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Dec 16 - 12:32 PM

Must be sumphin' to do with Trump.....got a link Don?

Subject: RE: BS: Life Expectancy US - UK
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Dec 16 - 02:37 PM

Its from MSNBC

Subject: RE: BS: Life Expectancy US - UK
From: MikeL2
Date: 09 Dec 16 - 02:39 PM

Hi

Could be Brexit

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Life Expectancy US - UK
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Dec 16 - 02:55 PM

correction; UK 80.54

EU 80.20

Subject: RE: BS: Life Expectancy US - UK
From: Senoufou
Date: 09 Dec 16 - 04:08 PM

Ah, that sounds more likely Donuel. That doesn't give me much time...oh dear... :)

Subject: RE: BS: Life Expectancy US - UK
From: DaveRo
Date: 09 Dec 16 - 04:35 PM

Senoufou wrote: That doesn't give me much time...oh dear...

Relex. Once you get to 65 you get an extra 5 years. On average, that is.

Subject: RE: BS: Life Expectancy US - UK
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Dec 16 - 04:54 PM

its up to you to have Great Expectations.

Subject: RE: BS: Life Expectancy US - UK
From: bobad
Date: 09 Dec 16 - 05:05 PM

Here are some numbers to consider. Where is the money spent on health care in the US going to?

Infant mortality per 1,000 live births, 2013:
US 6
Canada 4.8

Life expectancy 2015 data published in May 2016.
US 79.3
Canada 82.2

Health spending per capita, in $US - OECD Health Data 2010
US $6,714
Canada $3,678

Subject: RE: BS: Life Expectancy US - UK
From: frogprince
Date: 09 Dec 16 - 05:17 PM

Nothing surprising about the difference between the U.S. and Canada.



Stuff keeps better in colder temperatures.

Subject: RE: BS: Life Expectancy US - UK
From: Thompson
Date: 10 Dec 16 - 01:28 AM

First-world countries with extensive cycling networks tend to have healthier populations; those that encourage driving everywhere have obesity, diabetes, heart disease, hypertension.

Subject: RE: BS: Life Expectancy US - UK
From: Mr Red
Date: 10 Dec 16 - 08:08 AM

people over 65 lived in an era of austerity and relative sense, food and exercise wise.

The 65 threshold is more notional, I suspect. If you set the threshold at 64, 63 etc you would see a decline asymptotic to a lower figure (by the difference the over 65s are above the median).

If you think about (UK certainly) the healthy diet endured during WW2 and similar scenario slowly diminishing after, the baby boomers have benefited. Couple that with the fact that we now pay about half the price for food than then (relative to average wage) the food we eat is more processed (not in Rouge Towers) - I think the conclusion is too obvious to state.

But on the racial/ethnic/religious front, I fear we have not made progress, more regress.

Subject: RE: BS: Life Expectancy US - UK
From: Senoufou
Date: 10 Dec 16 - 09:53 AM

We did indeed know austerity Mr Red. And we walked or cycled everywhere, having little choice. Our diet comprised only home-cooked food and we ate a maximum three times a day with no snacks at all. Everyone knew how to cook what was called a 'square meal' including some kind of meat and plenty of vegetables (often home-grown on allotments). Sweets were still rationed when I was young, and so were quite a few foodstuffs, plus sugar. Habits die hard, and all my life I've 'cooked from scratch', and eat lots of fruit and veg (plus crumpets and far too much dairy, it has to be said).
I reckon today's enemies of a long life are too much alcohol, too much fatty take-away food, too much refined sugar and...too much stress.
We led very simple lives, and while everyone had their worries, the pace of life was slower. As children, we were also outside all hours between dawn and bedtime. Nowadays people are stuck in front of the TV or with their eyes glued to their little screens.
As you say, the consequences are there to see.

Subject: RE: BS: Life Expectancy US - UK
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Dec 16 - 11:05 AM

we had to eat Lima beans and tongue.

Subject: RE: BS: Life Expectancy US - UK
From: Thompson
Date: 10 Dec 16 - 02:46 PM

The Dutch were among the smallest people in Europe 150 years ago and are now among the tallest. Dutch people have said to me that the reason for this is the high-dairy diet they have eaten in the last century.

I wonder if this may be part of the solution, but not all of it. I've noticed when in the Netherlands that the Dutch commonly eat a lunch of brown bread with salami and/or cheese and greens - and wash it down with as much as a pint, not of milk but of a yogurt drink.

I wonder if the tallness and good health is partly due to the good effect on the gut of all those probiotics.

And of course it's Dutch cycling - bicycles are used for nearly half of all home-to-work journeys of up to 7.5 kilometres, and for more than half (55%) of all short journeys to and from school. Half of all journeys are taken by car, a quarter by bike, a fifth on foot and one in twenty by public transport.

Subject: RE: BS: Life Expectancy US - UK
From: Senoufou
Date: 11 Dec 16 - 04:43 AM

My sister's late husband was Dutch; he was tall and both my nieces are too. And the Masai who drink lots of milk (and blood it has to be said) are tall. My husband grew 5cm in a year after arriving in UK many years ago. He was calcium deficient and his spine was crumbly. Once he'd had lots of butter, milk and yoghurt his health improved no end, and he didn't look half so fragile.
We drank gallons of milk as children, and lots of cheese as it was relatively cheap. Also there was school milk, 1/3 of a pint daily for every child. Plus cod liver oil and 'radio-malt'. And Government bottles of orange juice concentrate. Just after the War they did their best to ensure the children thrived. (should that be 'throve?)
I'm hoping my over-consumption of dairy stuff will ward off osteoporosis. (That's my excuse)

Subject: RE: BS: Life Expectancy US - UK
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Dec 16 - 10:46 AM

Life Expectancy is the sort of statistic that simply cannot rise indefinitely. We are not going to live to be 1000... or even 200. If it doesn't rise, it will inevitably fall sometimes- depending on many circumstances. I assume that IF we had no wars, no murders, no drug abuse.... AND could control pollution, continue to find disease solutions and stabilize population growth... we could raise the Life Expectancy to over 90.
   I also do not see, given human nature, any way that stabilizing population growth can be easily compatible with all of those individually 'good' advances. Personally, I am in my late 70s, with pretty good genetic heritage and *knock wood* no major health problems. I might well make it to 90 or so... but *shrug*...

Subject: RE: BS: Life Expectancy US - UK
From: Senoufou
Date: 11 Dec 16 - 04:13 PM

I think people have to accept that they WILL die eventually. Death comes to us all and no-one will live for ever. Even if one could prolong life by five or ten years, death will be there at the end.
It's difficult trying not to fear it, and the best way is just to enjoy each day as best one can. There are always small pleasures to be had, even if one has health problems or other troubles. Seeking these tiny but reliable pleasures and being thankful for them is one of the secrets of having a 'good' life.

Subject: RE: BS: Life Expectancy US - UK
From: Will Fly
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 10:59 AM

I think longevity is related to a combination of lifestyle and genetics.

I was also a "war baby" and remember rationing of sweets and things like chocolate and bananas. I have to say though that, when sweets stopped being rationed, I ate more rubbish than my grandchildren do now! I also drank fizzy crap like Tizer (remember that one?). But, yes, I also had cod liver oil and malt (just before Dick Barton came on the radio), plus the small bottle of morning milk at school.

As for playing out, we seemed to spend all our spare time as kids roaming around the fields, running, jumping - far more than many of today's children seem to do. My mum died at the age of 90 - dad at the age of 93 - and, going back into my family tree, there seem to have been quite a few 19th century ancestors who had 12 or 13 children and then lived to a ripe old age. But, to be honest, who wants to live for ever? Both parents had lost the will to live towards the end and just wanted it all to be over.

I hope to conk out completely while playing guitar on stage in front of an appreciative audience, malt whisky and Havana cigar to hand (I haven't smoked for years, btw), and with an adoring and rather gorgeous lady in attendance.

What do you mean: "dirty old man?" Aren't I allowed just one fantasy? :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Life Expectancy US - UK
From: Rusty Dobro
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 12:54 PM

Obviously I have no problem getting the gorgeous lady, and I shift my share of malt whisky; I'll pass on the cigar, but how I'd love the appreciative audience......

Subject: RE: BS: Life Expectancy US - UK
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 01:20 PM

I see that when it comes to infant mortality Cuba comes out better than the US, and slightly worse than the UK.

Subject: RE: BS: Life Expectancy US - UK
From: Senoufou
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 01:55 PM

Ivory Coast has an appalling infant mortality rate of 48 per 1000.
In the UK it's about 4.3 per 1000.

Subject: RE: BS: Life Expectancy US - UK
From: Senoufou
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 01:57 PM

And life expectancy there is only 50.

Subject: RE: BS: Life Expectancy US - UK
From: Thompson
Date: 13 Dec 16 - 11:18 AM

Life expectancy in the US has begun to fall back, presumably under the influence of obesity, terrible food, smoking and lack of exercise. You may expect the UK to follow soon, though London's surprising expansion into cycleways may reverse this if it's followed by other cities, as seems to be happening.

Subject: RE: BS: Life Expectancy US - UK
From: Rusty Dobro
Date: 13 Dec 16 - 03:26 PM

Cycling in London is never a guarantee of a long and healthy life....

Subject: RE: BS: Life Expectancy US - UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Dec 16 - 07:00 PM

"I hope to conk out completely while playing guitar on stage in front of an appreciative audience, malt whisky and Havana cigar to hand (I haven't smoked for years, btw), and with an adoring and rather gorgeous lady in attendance."

Why not aspire to hang on for another hour, take the rather gorgeous lady backstage and conk out in flagrante delicto? Infinitely preferable!

Subject: RE: BS: Life Expectancy US - UK
From: Will Fly
Date: 14 Dec 16 - 11:42 AM

Of course - must get my priorities right! :-)