BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)

Subject: BS: Theresa May - Brexit
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 19 Jan 17 - 03:59 AM

By now UK members will have had a chance to discuss the PM's message from Tuesday. I posted a parody yesterday, but due to a poor choice of thread title nobody's commented.
Parody: The Original Article 50

Cheers
Nigel

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Jan 17 - 04:11 AM

It was a racist diatribe then Nige, that's still how it reads now, perhaps that's why you got no takers.
Perhaps you intended it as satire, I apologise if you did, but it's a bit too near the truth for my taste, sort of what happened to Alf Garnett when he fell into the wrong hands.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 19 Jan 17 - 04:22 AM

"Racist diatribe".
That's the standard, play the racist card for anything you don't like.
There are mentions of many nationalities there, but no 'Race'.
If you believe that any one of the nationalities mentioned there have specific traits that would enable them to be treated as a 'race' then you are guilty of the very racism that you accuse everyone else of.

I still remember your comment about collecting tins in Yorkshire.

It seems you may be more bigoted than you believe.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Jan 17 - 04:28 AM

"but no 'Race".
A bit nit-picking Nigel.
I've always considered attacks on other nationalities a form of racism, when done by politicians, as with Brexit, opportunist racism.
Happy to stick with Xenophobic, if it makes you more comfortable!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: ollaimh
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 01:57 AM

calling the french frogs is racist. race doesn't exist but racism does as do crazy race theorists like nigel who thinks he can y=use racist epithets because there are no races.   that's twisted bigotry of a very special sort. its called anglo racism. anglo racists think they have good reasons for their bogotry unlike the bad people. ALL RACISTS THINK THEY HAVE GOOD REASONS FOR THEIR RACISM, that's what makes them racists.ALL RACISTS THINK SPLITTING HAIRS MAKES OPEN BIGOTRY AND DISCRIMINATION OK, that's why they are racists. anglo racists do make a speciality of hair splitting and rationalizations, but its still racism. i think europe will be glad to see the back of you.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 02:15 AM

Now double-trolling. Everybody please ignore this thread - DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 03:11 AM

I know BWM but the irony of someone who is spectacularly racist against the English going on about how racist the English are did tickle me :-)

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 03:25 AM

Me too, Dave - a perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black!
But I'm convinced old Olive is too bloody thick to get the joke!

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: The Sandman
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 06:04 AM

she a waste of space.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 07:22 AM

She's the spawn of The Beast of Grantham. 'Nuff said.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 08:24 AM

"She's the spawn of The Beast of Grantham. 'Nuff said."
Thought that was Thatcher
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 08:29 AM

Thatcher = The Beast of Grantham.
May = spawn of The Beast of Grantham.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 08:54 AM

Gotcha
Wasn't concentrating
There's a wonderful cartoon in this morning's Times (usually reserved for Corbyn-knocking) entitled "Trumpspotting - Hooked on the Donald" parodying the remake if Trainspotting - wonderful caricatures of Mat, Johnson, Davis, Fraagre (and one I don't recognise) under the caption "Such a bunch of crawlers - Sooooo Sad"
Very un-Murdoch-like
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 09:52 AM

Cartoon is Here scroll down.

This link might only work today as it is to the current 'front page'

Cheers

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 12:20 PM

Thanks Nigel - worth sharing, I thought
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: keberoxu
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 12:24 PM

Yes, see the cartoon. Don't know the politicos but recognize the Trainspotting characters all right.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: DMcG
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 01:15 PM

"We will get our people off welfare and back to work. We will follow two simple rules, buy American and hire American"

Sounds like the US-UK trade deal is going to be interesting.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: DMcG
Date: 21 Jan 17 - 03:19 AM

A little surprised there were no responses to my last post. I expected Ake and T and others would tell us how that shows there will be a good trade deal for the UK with the US.

My feeling is that the UK will be as near to the head of the negotiating queue as the US can manage, but primarily because the UK Brexiters will be desperate to get a non-EU trade agreement in place to prove it can be done. Entering a negotiation when you are desperate for an agreement is about the weakest position you can be in, and against an "America First" stance with strong negotiators - which Trump definitely is - does not bode well. If this takes place when the UK has a few agreements in hand, it would not be so weak. So, as I say, I predict it will be early.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: ollaimh
Date: 21 Jan 17 - 03:38 AM

its the anglo racist way to say disgusting things then when identified for what they are to accuse the others of racism. because we all know the terrible persecution white anglo men suffer and have suffered historically, very donald trump, call french frogs then accuse others of racism. you don't need more than that to see what scum nigel parsons is. it's in fact the hitler doctrine. accuse your critics of what you actually do.   anglo culture is racist to its core.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Jan 17 - 05:11 AM

It's the racist way to demonise a whole race because of the actions of a few.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jan 17 - 05:46 AM

Just to say that the remark above about collecting tins in Yorkshire relates to a context deliberately ripped away by Nigel. It's typical light-hearted Lancashire Lad vs tyke bit of banter and "refusing" to see it that way is both disingenuous and po-faced. As a Lancashire lad (tho' one with good mates, including my sister, in Yorkshire) I offer you this owd chestnut and challenge to call me racist (though I don't mind if Raggytash adds his embellishment):

Q. How does a Yorkshireman make an omelette?

A. First he nicks three eggs...

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Jan 17 - 05:56 AM

Hear all, see all, say nowt.
Eat all, sup all, pay nowt.

And if tha does owt for nowt, do it fur thysen.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Raggytash
Date: 21 Jan 17 - 10:24 AM

Bejasus Steve, I'm all Oirish now.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jan 17 - 12:11 PM

All Oirish? By sheer coincidence, being pissed off over being dragged out of the EU by 18 million suckers who mistakenly think they know what democracy is, this morning I looked into becoming an Irish citizen on account of my come-froms and found that I can as long as I stump up £278. My mum can do it for nowt as her mum, my gran, was born in Athlone. £278 up front and I can stop being a plastic Paddy!

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Iains
Date: 21 Jan 17 - 02:03 PM

Steve does it make you feel better insulting the majority that voted for brexit? For such a sensitive soul as you this behaviour surprises me.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jan 17 - 03:02 PM

I'm not insulting them. I'm pitying them in advance of their gradually realising what a bloody catastrophe they were hoodwinked into bringing down on all our heads. By the way, that "majority" was 38% of those eligible to vote. Nighty night.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Stu
Date: 21 Jan 17 - 03:22 PM

Poor brexieetrs. Look today. We''re here and we're holding you accountable. Because you won the vote doesn't mean you speak for us. You have to include us, and we have a different opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jan 17 - 07:18 PM

And, once we're done with this ludicrous bout of the most impotent prime minister we've ever had threatening the EU, with the other 27 laughing at us and threatening us back, there'll be a damn sight more of us in any case.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 Jan 17 - 01:17 AM

Impotent and incompetent.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Jan 17 - 08:19 AM

Now she has been extremely dishonest about a failed test-firing of a Trident missile, failing to admit to this just before a Commons vote on renewing Trident. If you get a chance, listen to her evasions when questioned by Andrew Marr this morning. The relevant part of the interview in on the BBC news website. She knew about it all right but clearly decided to withhold disclosure of the incident from MPs. This really ought to come back to bite her on the arse.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Jan 17 - 11:59 AM

Just watched the highlights. If I had seen the whole thing the computer may have gone through the window. Ridiculous that the woman would not answer and made even more so by trying to shift the emphasis onto Jeremy Corbyn voting against Trident. Reminded me of some on here for some reason...

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 Jan 17 - 12:25 PM

The only surprise for me is that anyone is surprised.
As I said earlier - The Spawn of The Beast of Grantham.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: meself
Date: 22 Jan 17 - 08:36 PM

I don't know anything about Theresa May - but on TV I just heard her saying, with a straight face and an oh-so-earnest voice: "President Trump supports NATO" ... !!

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 04:59 AM

From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 21 Jan 17 - 05:46 AM

Just to say that the remark above about collecting tins in Yorkshire relates to a context deliberately ripped away by Nigel. It's typical light-hearted Lancashire Lad vs tyke bit of banter and "refusing" to see it that way is both disingenuous and po-faced. As a Lancashire lad (tho' one with good mates, including my sister, in Yorkshire) I offer you this owd chestnut and challenge to call me racist (though I don't mind if Raggytash adds his embellishment):

Let me understand this. Stereotyping the Jews, or the Scots as careful with their money would be racist. Characterising the people of Yorkshire in the same way is just 'banter'.
No, sorry, I fail to see the distinction.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 05:11 AM

Are you from either Lancashire or Yorkshire, Nigel? If not, yes you would fail to see it.


DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 05:22 AM

Actually, no, what I just said is probably not true. Even if you are from outer Mongolia how can you fail to see the difference between friendly rivalry between counties and the demonisation of a race of people because of their religion?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 05:40 AM

Nice contrast between Lancashire an' Yorkshire.

-On Owdham Edge, th' grass is green,
Th' nicest view 'at e're tha's seen;                           
Tha stonds on t'top, an' tha looks abeawt,                  
Nowt but mills, wi' their chimbley spews.   
            
Straight up front, there's Crompton, Shaw,
Derker, Delph, Springhead an' aw,
Neaw we're touchin' Yorkshire's line,
Aw can't see owt past theer—but grime.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 05:54 AM

What planet do you live on Nige?
Lancashire Yorkshire "banter" has been a fact of British life since the Wars of the Roses - a centuries old joke
Worth a bit of point-scoring though, it would appear
Lancastrian Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 06:04 AM

What's the difference between Lancashire and Yorkshire?

One is full of hills and moors...

(Not saying which)

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 10:18 AM

A young lad from Yorkshire starts school and his dad gives him two quid for the bus home. Instead of getting on the bus the lad runs behind it all the way home. Dad comes home from the pub and the lad says "Dad, I saved you two quid today because I ran behind t'bus instead of gettin' on!" But dad gives the lad a thick ear and shouted at him "Yer daft little bugger, you should have run behind a taxi and saved me twenty quid!"

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 11:47 AM

I live next door to Yorkshireman, he's alright but his humour is terrible.....much different to the highland humour which is full of irony....whimsical.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 11:49 AM

Sorry I was going to say Yorkshire humour is like 50's music hall stuff.....as far as I can gather.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 12:57 PM

Nah - Dry humour at its best. And that comes from a Lancastrian! My mate Joe from Sheffield once remarked on how miserable some place he visited was. "Like Arbroath without the smokies" was the turn of phrase.

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: MikeL2
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 02:31 PM

Hi Steve


<" ..........Yer daft little bugger, you should have run behind a taxi and saved me twenty quid!">

Oh Steve Steve Steve this "joke" is older YOU.....LOl

Cheer

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 05:02 PM

You get a lot of recycled material on this website, Mike!

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 06:29 PM

Iains -
the country in which I live had a majority vote to remain in the EU- yet it appears that despite being an equal partner in the UK our wishes are being totally ignored!
(and being as how it was our king what joined the two kingdoms in the first place that does seem unjust/illegal - even to a republican!)

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Jan 17 - 02:13 AM

Correction Gallus Moll the part of the country in which you live voted to remain in the EU, other parts of the country voted in a similar fashion. Only trouble is the rest of the country (52% of the electorate who managed to get out and vote) voted to leave. It is a mighty strange democracy that requires the elected government to go to the lengths of holding a referendum then ignore the result. The country in which you live as far as the EU is concerned and as far as any treaty and agreement goes is called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and it has been so since 1707 - it was not joined by a Scottish King but by separate agreements of both Parliaments.

Like your strange view on equal partners whereby 5 million have the right to dictate to 60 million.

Straightforward fact for you Gallus Moll - at the moment, put in SNP terms, the vast bulk of Scotland's economy, production and commerce relies on trade with the EU purely by dint of the straightforward fact that 80% of Scotland's trade and commerce is with ENGLAND. Economically for Scotland the Union with England is four times more important and vital to Scotland than any link to the EU.

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jan 17 - 03:46 AM

Your Empire jingoism is showing again Teribus - because two nations trade doesn't mean one should rule that other.
Whatever way a people vote - for whatever reason they choose - it never changes what they are - as with Ireland, you can't vote yourself another heritage, history and culture - you are what you are.
One of the positive legacies of Brexit could well be the end of the U.K.
I doubt if a Scottish referendum would produce the same result after this present fiasco
I seem to remember one of the main arguments for opposing giving the colonies independence was "They can't manage without us".
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 24 Jan 17 - 03:59 AM

Teribus, if you're going to correct someone, check first: The country in which you live as far as the EU is concerned and as far as any treaty and agreement goes is called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and it has been so since 1707
For treaty purposes, the country is "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland".

Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May - latest message (Brexit)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 24 Jan 17 - 04:09 AM

From: Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 24 Jan 17 - 03:46 AM

Your Empire jingoism is showing again Teribus - because two nations trade doesn't mean one should rule that other.

BRAVO!
So Scotland doesn't need to be part of the UK just to trade with the UK.

Similarly, The UK doesn't need to be part of Europe to trade with Europe.

"Own goal" methinks.