BS: Trump Enemies List

Subject: BS: Trum Enemies List
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jan 17 - 12:04 PM

Media
Intelligence
Joint Chiefs
State Dept
Mexico
twitter enemies
He actually has his own personal Enemies list that Bannon loves to expand daily for that glorious day when no ne may move about without papers.

Enemies are growing rapidly - help keep this list current

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jan 17 - 01:11 PM

Truth, decency and humanity
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jan 17 - 01:25 PM

women

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Senoufou
Date: 30 Jan 17 - 01:52 PM

My lovely Muslim husband.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 30 Jan 17 - 02:02 PM

Trump has an enemies list? Where do I go to volunteer? Is there a sign-up sheet somewhere?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Iains
Date: 30 Jan 17 - 02:54 PM

Snowflakes.
The Clintons

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Jan 17 - 04:11 PM

ISIS
The political establishment
Illegal immigrants
"liberals"
The "liberal" media.
Terrorists.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jan 17 - 05:11 PM

Are thriving on Trumps behaviour
- he is their greatest ally
Your hatred of liberals underlines your own extremism
"Aren't these liberals, those reprobate defenders of individualism, ashamed to see the tears of the mothers and wives, or don't these cold-blooded accountants even notice? Have they already grown so inhuman that they are no longer capable of feeling? It is understandable why bolshevism simply removed such creatures. They were worthless to humanity, nothing but an encumbrance to their Volk. Even the bees get rid of the drones when they can no longer be of service to the hive. "
Adolph Hitler 1940
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jan 17 - 05:27 PM

The Democratic party

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Jan 17 - 03:58 AM

SALLY Q YATES
A really disturbing state of affairs when a President breaches the U.S. Constitution and starts firing those of his staff who refuse to follow suit.
How long before his starts to replace all the forces of law and justice with his own fascist rednecks?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Mr Red
Date: 31 Jan 17 - 04:49 AM

Where do I go to volunteer? Is there a sign-up sheet somewhere? LOL
join the 1.7 Million*

How long before his starts to replace all the forces of law and justice with his own fascist rednecks?
would Friday week suit you?


*and rising.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Stu
Date: 31 Jan 17 - 05:16 AM

The Law. He's sacked his own Attorney General, whose oath is to the constitution, not the president. This is a dark turn of events in a dark week.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Jan 17 - 07:44 AM

Mr Red One can find an Organization to join under the name Indivisible.

The right may try and divert your search with groups by the same name for Trump. Don't get fooled.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Jan 17 - 08:23 AM

Trump's new supporters
"Jihadist groups on Sunday celebrated the Trump administration's ban on travel from seven Muslim-majority countries, saying the new policy validates their claim that the United States is at war with Islam."
Dangerous times!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Jan 17 - 10:46 AM

the WAIT AND SEE ATTITUDE ABOUT HITLER was more laissez faire in the Riechstadt than the democratic Senators we have in opposition on the hill today. Let us know it can happen here but let us never expect it must happen here no matter what we do

Trump may now view his enemies not as dissenters but as betrayers.

This thread may be more than a depository of humorous Information. It is the Town Squire.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Jan 17 - 10:47 AM

Interesting take on TRUMP'S and BREXIT'S DEMOCRACY HERE here
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Senoufou
Date: 01 Feb 17 - 09:05 AM

I imagine both my husband and myself would be regarded as potential 'enemies of the US' as we have both visited Libya and he's a Muslim with a very Muslim name, as well as his being black and a dual-passport holder, all of which would look a bit iffy to the paranoid.
It's a real pity as we did have a wish to visit America one day (never been there before) We've changed our plans now, and have earmarked Australia and New Zealand as possible destinations for the future.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Jack Campin
Date: 01 Feb 17 - 09:15 AM

Australia is going the same way. NZ isn't, so far.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Senoufou
Date: 01 Feb 17 - 11:24 AM

That's a shame Jack. Maybe we'd be better staying at home, or perhaps just visit family in Ivory Coast, where we know we're always welcome.
It's sad because we'd like to do a little more travelling before we get too decrepit.

As a school cleaner, my husband has an impeccable record (vetted of course by his employers) It's not right that an innocent man should be viewed suspiciously because he's black and a Muslim, and has dual nationality.

There must be millions of victims of this racist, xenophobic edict who now cannot travel to places they need to visit for whatever reason.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Feb 17 - 01:29 PM

mmmmmmmmmm chocolate

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Senoufou
Date: 01 Feb 17 - 01:32 PM

Eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Thompson
Date: 01 Feb 17 - 04:06 PM

He has his friends too.

According to
Buzzfeed Donald Trump supporters are planning to disguise themselves as French social media users and bombard Facebook pages in France with "anti-François Fillon shit posting", all in a bid to help the National Front's Marine Le Pen win the presidential election.

"Everyone involved would need to create a fake account (ideally young, cute girl, gay, jew, basically anyone who isn't supposed to be pro-[Front National]), lock it down on private so people can't look on it and see no posts, no friends, or anything else that would indicate the account is fake and exists exclusively for trolling. We then take to… comments sections… hit them with our memes, anti-fillon shitposting, etc… [Suggested page linked] has almost a million followers, and our message will be seen by everybody on the page…"

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Helen
Date: 01 Feb 17 - 04:18 PM

Senoufou,

Please come and visit Australia. We still strive to create a diverse society. We love people from every country, every religion, every social group. We may not always succeed in our aims, but the majority of our social policies reflect our belief in valuing all people of the world.

Well, that's my view, anyway.

Helen

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Senoufou
Date: 01 Feb 17 - 04:26 PM

That's reassuring Helen. My husband has always wanted to see Australia, and of course I'd be very happy to accompany him if the opportunity arose. It's just at our age we would be rather frightened by any racism, unpleasantness or difficulties on entry. It's nice to know from an Australian that these things are unlikely to occur. Thank you!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 01 Feb 17 - 04:52 PM

If you want to avoid unpleasantness on entry to Australia, don't for goodness sake carry any food, seeds anything like that. I have always found the department of Agriculture far fiercer than Immigration.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Mr Red
Date: 01 Feb 17 - 05:32 PM

According to Buzzfeed Donald Trump supporters are planning to disguise themselves as French social media users and bombard Facebook pages

How do you think he got elected in the first place? His budget went on cloned accounts. I had a few "friends requests" from already friends before Brexit. Thought it was advertising oriented, it was, but didn't see the obvious, like everyone else! Look what happened!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Feb 17 - 06:12 PM

Well we went to Oz just the once, to visit rellies in Perth. We loved Perth and we loved the country, but we did not love the "welcome" we endured at Perth airport, where we were kept waiting, totally static, standing up, no information forthcoming, in the passport hall in humid 90-degree heat for well over an hour, in a room with walls plastered with signs that stopped just short of telling us that we might have our heads cut off if we were found to have so much of a pork chop in our hold bag. Treated like criminals, basically, along with everyone else on our flight, the majority of whom had been travelling for at least twenty hours. Welcome to the colony!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Feb 17 - 06:15 PM

so much as

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: The Sandman
Date: 01 Feb 17 - 06:17 PM

The world has gone stone mad.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Senoufou
Date: 01 Feb 17 - 06:17 PM

Yes you're right David. I've watched TV programmes about Australia's Immigration and Control, and they quite justifiably protect their agriculture from diseases brought in by travellers in food, plants, dried fish and so on. It's silly of people to disobey the rules; they're presented with a list of banned things, and it's up to passengers to declare/avoid having forbidden goods on them.

I'm not surprised if Trump has resorted to underhand activity to forward his own ends. He strikes me as a thoroughly corrupt and bent individual.

I reckon being black, a Muslim, having dual-nationality (even though Ivory Coast isn't on the banned list) and having a Libya entry stamp on a UK passport might flag up some awkward responses from any visa application officials in USA. Best for us to stay away!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: gillymor
Date: 01 Feb 17 - 08:38 PM

Hey Helen, I have a friend named Chook who's planning a trip to Oz, would he be welcomed as well?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Stu
Date: 02 Feb 17 - 03:31 AM

Trump has upset Australia now, by looking like he will renege on a deal for the US to take a number of Muslim refugees. He head a shouting match with Turnbull and hung up on him.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Mr Red
Date: 02 Feb 17 - 04:10 AM

Makes Kim Jong Un look positively normal!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Feb 17 - 09:23 AM

Senofou, Chocolate grows on trees in d'Cote Ivoire.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Feb 17 - 09:27 AM

"Chocolate grows on trees in d'Cote Ivoire."
Thought that was The Big Rock Candy Mountain!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: robomatic
Date: 02 Feb 17 - 11:56 AM

I was on a flight to New Zealand from the U.S. Our entire plane was sprayed down and our luggage gone through which all took some time as it was a 747. Having lived in California I was used to the idea of inspection/ protection from dangerous flora/ fauna. But I couldn't help making a joke about bringing pet snakes in, and no one thought it was funny.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Senoufou
Date: 02 Feb 17 - 11:57 AM

Ah I see Donuel! It does indeed. In fact, IC is the world's largest producer of cocoa beans used to make chocolate. And I so adore chocolate....:) I sometimes, in a good mood, call my husband 'Monsieur Chocolat'. (When I'm not growling, "Put the bins out will you please!" or "Why are your socks on the floor?")

Stu, can you imagine any Head of State actually shouting down the phone to another one, and then hanging up? It's appalling, and not the behaviour of any Leader. It would be funny if it wasn't so worrying and dangerous.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Peter the Squeezer
Date: 02 Feb 17 - 02:12 PM

Can I be on Donald's Naughty List too?

Go On - PLEEEZZE!!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Senoufou
Date: 02 Feb 17 - 02:24 PM

Of course you can Peter. But you have to be non-racist, dignified, pro-peace, feel perfectly at ease about Muslims, like Mexicans, wish to help refugees and not be sexist or misogynist. And would feel a perfect nitwit if you went about with a bright orange face. Do you feel you qualify?

(I'm sure you do, as most if not all Mudcatters are on his list!)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Senoufou
Date: 02 Feb 17 - 02:26 PM

Does anyone apart from me wonder if Trump is actually a rather large Oompah-Loompah?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Helen
Date: 02 Feb 17 - 03:44 PM

Senoufou,

Apart from the usual rednecks who live in every country, Australia is openly welcoming and friendly to all people, and it is written in all the policies.

My best recommendation to get an unbiased look at Oz is to check out our (government-funded) broadcaster, ABC.com.au/News

As a government funded broadcaster you might think that it is biased towards the government, but our ABC is fearless in presenting unbiased facts. She is affectionately known as Aunty ABC.

An American friend once said that he never knew the half of what was happening in the U.S. until he came here and saw the news in our media.


gillymor, we ARE biased against kayaks, so nice try.

Helen

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Feb 17 - 08:03 PM

While I sympathise with your sentiments Helen, we need to remember that not so long ago 49.7% of the Austrian people voted for an Ultra Right party and the only reason Austria didn't proceed America as the first Country to elect such a party is they were foiled by a coalition government.
I'm sure most Austrians are as reasonable as most Americans, but it only takes a demagogue in the right situation to whip up a crowd to allow evil things to happen - Austria, with its history of 'Austrofascism , should be more than aware of that
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Feb 17 - 08:14 PM

Er, Jim, I think Helen's talking about Australia, not Austria. Give him a little while, Helen!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Feb 17 - 08:20 PM

Whoops - sorry all - still a little angry at the behavior of another member of this forum.
Where's me pills????
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Feb 17 - 08:27 PM

😂

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Helen
Date: 02 Feb 17 - 08:30 PM

I have to say, Jim, you did manage to confuse me. I thought Austrian was just a typo but the more I read the more I thought, nah, this isn't the Australia I know.

Thanks for the laugh, though!! LOL

We do have a very strange political party called One Nation which probably comes under the heading of Australiofascism. It's headed up by a very strange little bod called Pauline Hanson, who unfortunately has enough of a following to find herself back in parliament after we got rid of her first time around.

I don't think Oz is completely safe from fascism, but it seems to be a bit more immunised against it than some other places in the world.

My theory is that because we laugh at everyone, even when we think what they are saying has some merit, it is very hard for any straight-faced politicians - like our friend Pauline - to be taken seriously.

Pauline Hanson song - last time she was in parliament

Helen

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Helen
Date: 03 Feb 17 - 07:50 PM

I am running a sweep (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melbourne_Cup_Sweeps) to predict the outcome of the (T)rump (P)residency in the White House.

Horses in the race are as follows:

Shoot Himself in the Foot

Shoot His Mouth Off Once Too Often

Ride A Rail Out of Town

Give Him Enough Rope To Hang Himself

Buy His Way Out of Trouble

Violate the Constitution

Prosecution For Taxation Violations

Get Caught for Buying His Way Into Office

Get Caught For Sexual Assault

Get Bumped Off by a U.S. Citizen

Get Bumped Off by the CIA

Get Bumped Off by Foreign Protesters


There were a lot more horses vying for a place in the race, but these ones seem to have the best chance of success.

What do you reckon the winner will be?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Feb 17 - 09:32 PM

Pence.



Trump has violated the Constitution 6 times but it may not be considered an impeachable offense. Perhaps A pretzel could go thru his eye in the back seat when his limo when hits a Parade horse in the ass. You had the insight to see how skittish and wary Trump is regarding the CIA, He calls THEM Nazis. If the cause of death is deemed an accident, you can bet the CIA gave him brain cancer. A rare brain cancer.


Jim, We have a newsmax neo nazi cable channel that is all Hitler all the time. They also broadcast trump specials. As long as Trump doesn't turn into a total Hitler, people will consider his PresidUncy a success. You see, we all have a very low level of expectation.

If you think Bannon is the only white supremacist in the White power House you are wrong. There are a number of white nationalist staff members who are former Brietbart employees. What that number is exactly I don't know. There is talk they are the biggest leakers.



Trump will unite the MIDDLE EAST

against us. So far he said we are going to take Iraq's oil, Attack Iran, Move our embassy to Jerusalem, ban Shia Muslims from US, Secretly took Visa's from Muslims. Puts Sunni Muslims like Islamic brotherhood on terror list.

Could Sunni Pakistan 'loan' a nuke to Shia Iran? That would be quite a unification.
If anybody can do it Trump can.

Sincerely Hitlered out
Don. 8~{

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Feb 17 - 09:50 PM

I had been saying that Trump wouldn't last three months, but the way he is going I would now bet it will be a matter of days. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. I do not want Pence either but I suspect that it will be his policies that we would excoriate Pence for, not his mental state.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 03:56 AM

"I have to say, Jim, you did manage to confuse me."
Sorry for that Helen, not one of my best days
We have the situation here in Europe where the supra-right is taking every opportunity offered to them by the populism that gave us Brexit and Trump - both events have been followed by a rise in racist incidents.
I have a great respect for any national leader who puts the phone down on this moron, but I have to say I'm not entirely happy that it over treating refugees like pawns in a chess game.
As you say, Australia has it's share of right-wing brain-deads, as shown by the Cronulla Riots, but there doesn't seem to be the same level of problem as in Britain or the US.
The irony is that America is made up of the people Trum refers to as "aliens" - if everybody had their own, America would have a Native American Parliament and Australia would have a very different leadership and culture - for better or worse.
Creating and using divisions between different peoples has become a major weapon in the scramble for power.
The thugs are using our greatest asset, our diversity, as a club to set us one against the other.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 05:46 AM

My guess is that he'll last about a 1/2 term, a la Palin, "The Quitting Governor", due to boredom. After all the jackass has been the host of a prime time reality TV show. How you gonna top that.
He also could be cashiered by Congressional Republicans who want to install Pence so they can get on with removing the last vestiges of humanity from our government.
My hope is that he'll last out his 4 years and leave the GOP in a crippled state. Trump may be a fake Nazi but there's a real one waiting in the wings.
Can I get in on the action, Helen?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 05:59 AM

I could also see him checking out early because the job is way beyond his abilities. It requires a lot more than bullshit and braggadocio.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 08:18 AM

Bee that's what my wife said.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Helen
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 01:43 PM

A list based on probability only. Not success in the sense of encouraging violent means. Success in the sense of the most likely outcome. Using a horse racing metaphor only. Which horses in a horse race have the most likelihood of winning the race and which horses are unlikely to win so are left out of the sweep?

If you were analysing probabilities, what is the most likely way that Mr Trump ends his stay in the White House? And judging by the way he is going with less than a month in office, he is upping the odds every single day on his stay in the White House as being very very short.

Iran vows 'roaring missiles' if threatened

US Navy ship fires warning shots towards Iranian vessel

search "Trump" on ABC.com.au

I have not seen one news item which shows that Trump has done anything positive so far with the enormous power he has been given by the American people and America has a huge influence on the rest of the world.

Peace,
Helen

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 03:54 PM

Don't worry Helen. The subject is legitimate, he's 70 0verwieght and loves fast food. My $ is on 72.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Feb 17 - 04:17 PM

Will Trump side with Russia or Ukraine?


Subject: RE: BS: Executive orders?
From: Donuel - PM
Date: 31 Jan 17 - 07:31 AM

Before we get full of ourselves, remember the Trump base is delighted.
His base forgives the form and love the function.

A businessman is used to nondisclosure contracts. This is what Trump does to keep everyone in the Government out of the loop.
He takes someone's staff member, swears the guy to secrecy and tells them to make up some orders to do such and such.



What no one is reading about now is that Putin is on the move in the Ukraine. I hide this here but you can bank on this!

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/08/19/putin-visits-crimea-as-ukraine-warns-of-full-scale-russian-invasion-kiev-caucasus-2016/

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Feb 17 - 05:59 AM

Nice, thoughtful letter in response to a vitriolic pro-Trump article in last week's Irish edition of The Sunday Time
The author ot the article, Kevin Myers, is an extremist right-wing journalist who distinguished himself not too long ago by losing his job in The Irish Times for refusing to refrain from referring to children of unmarried parents as "bastards" – a truly humane human being
Jim Carroll

Letters to the Editor
Whatever the argument, there's no excuse for lack of compassion
I FIND Kevin Myers's prejudice and logic staggering, but his lack of compassion even worse ("Response to our airport security crisis won't fly with me", Comment, last week). He suggests it's justified for America to erect a wall given the murder rate in Mexico. By the same token, it should be justified to stop Americans coming to Europe. After all the murder rate there in 2012 was 4.7 per 100,000 people, while in the EU it was about one per 100,000.
He also mentions the "never-ending saga of asylum seekers". In fact Ireland has fewer than the average in the EU, and many applications are rejected. Lebanon is the size of Northern Ireland and has more than lm refugees in its country. Can Myers not find it in his heart to accept that about 200 a month will reach these shores and many of those will be sent back?
Myers salutes Trump's ban on Muslims, but nowhere do I see any criticism of the American president leaving out countries with which he has business links. For example, Saudi Arabia is commonly regarded as being the biggest fundraiser for terrorism, and citizens from there made up the bulk of those responsible for 9/11.
By the way, there have been no terrorist acts in the US committed by a refugee since 9/11. On the other hand, there have been about 250,000 murders since. But has Trump introduced any new orders against ownership of guns, or a national register of guns? I don't think so.
I am all for tough immigration laws and procedures, but they must be fair and non- discriminatory.
B Nilsson, by email

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Feb 17 - 06:34 AM

What a great point in that last paragraph, among the other great points.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 05 Feb 17 - 10:08 AM

Great points indeed, we are in total agreement Steve - I'm just wondering how long it will be before trumpo gets in the way of a bullet!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Feb 17 - 11:20 AM

look here

Proof of Russian Oil CEO offering Trump cash for lifting sanctions.

You know what this means

This is a treasonous act with proof

The Trump surrogate in Russia is no longer in the Trump administration.

This is a game changer. In Russia 4 treason trials are underway.

Where is the American Trial? May?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Helen
Date: 05 Feb 17 - 03:45 PM

Thanks Donuel:

"Don't worry Helen. The subject is legitimate, he's 70 0verwieght and loves fast food. My $ is on 72. "

Funnily enough. I know a workplace bully who fits the same description - although she is younger - and that's where my prediction lies with her, too.

As for my favourite horse in the Trump race, my bet is on Give Him Enough Rope To Hang Himself.

And akenaton, I am talking figuratively, metaphorically, allegorically, and not literally. In case you want to challenge my ethical and moral stance on suicide. I'm talking "political suicide" here. :-)

Helen

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 03:26 AM

Oh I know what a metaphor is Helen and how it works.

Sometimes it gives one the opportunity to say the unsayable.

It is a particularly nasty metaphor.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 05:21 AM

You're like a dog with a bone, aren't you? (simile, not metaphor). Drop it. Helen has made her sentiments crystal clear and shouldn't have to keep justifying herself to you. Especially to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Senoufou
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 05:43 AM

Oh come on akenaton, Helen didn't mean anything nasty. She was merely stating possibilities in a jokey way. I thoroughly disapprove of wishing people to be assassinated, but her posts weren't in that vein at all.

And while we're on the subject of nasty, the words pot and kettle come to mind regarding gays etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: gillymor
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 07:04 AM

Helen's "Sweep" idea deserved it's own thread so more members may have taken note and had fun with it. For instance, I'd like to buy a ticket on Trump clocking out because that thing perched on top of his head turns out to be a rabid honey badger who tires of listening to all the bullshit and gives the big buffoon a fatal bite. Long odds but I'll chance it.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 07:12 AM

I'd be happy for now if it crawled down to take up permanent residence in his gob.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Stu
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 09:14 AM

Added to Trumps hate list: Budweiser*. For making an alert for the Super Bowl that show immigration in a good light (gasp!).

Mighty thin-skinned these Trumpers. They call us "snowflakes" start whining when they take offence. Which they do easily.


* Actually, Budweiser is on my 'nasty' list, but because it is the most appalling stale horse piss ever bottled and sold as beer. No beer drinker with an ounce of taste would touch the stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 09:25 AM

Yeah, snowflakes has been adopted as the favourite pejorative by two of our dear friends on this forum. Needless to say, both these chaps are snowflakes. And that's the last time you'll see me using that ridiculous expression. As for Budweiser, there's a perfectly respectable Czech beer of that name, though the yanks have made sure it has to be called something else in their country. Are the yanks still calling some of their fake Californian fizz "Champagne?"

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: DMcG
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 09:26 AM

Whenever I hear "snowflake" I am always reminded of Snowball.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: DMcG
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 09:28 AM

... which just proves what a fool I can be, since I really mean Squealer!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Stu
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 09:57 AM

I don't care for the phrase 'yanks" used in this context. It's pejorative and deliberately inclusive of all the people of one country.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 11:31 AM

The "jokey metaphor is worrisome, but slightly less so that the double standards which appear to apply in this forum.

Cast your mind back eight years to the election of president Obama, there were many disappointed conservatives posting here at the time yet none stooped to such tactics.
Assuredly, if such a nasty metaphor had been posted it would have lasted minutes before deletion.

As a footnote, at the time when most of the membership were applauding the coming CHANGE.....I ventured the opinion that President Obama would change "only what he was allowed to change"

This was greeted by howls of derision by most of the membership, but it proved to be right on the button......A good, decent, but weak man was manipulated by his Secretary of State and the political establishment into a military intervention in Libya, which led to an even worse conclusion for world peace than President bush's adventures in Iraq.
President Trump is democratically elected by the US electorate and must be given a chance to put his policies to the test.
To protest out of spite, or in an attempt to subvert the democratic process is wrong.

Eliza, if you wish to discuss homosexuality I will be pleased to debate with you, just open a thread on the subject. If not, try to keep your views where they belong.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 11:45 AM

Assuredly, you don't know that. And no-one is protesting out of "spite," are they? They are protesting out of worry and fear for the future. And if you keep banging on about his being democratically-elected despite losing the popular vote by three million, I might have to bang on about how the Remain campaign won.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 12:20 PM

Don't be ridiculous Steve, President Donal John won according to the rules. If the election had been based on a first past the post system DJ would have fought a completely different campaign.
As would Mrs Clinton.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 12:30 PM

Utter cobblers. Trump won under bad rules. Leave won under bad rules. You call it democracy. I call it democracy in disrepute. Now look here. I regard you as a man not worth wearing out my single typing finger on. We can never agree because you're always wrong. Now I'm not talking to you any more in this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 01:05 PM

A good, decent, but weak man was manipulated by his Secretary of State and the political establishment into a military intervention in Libya

Please explain how HRC & the U.S. "political extablishment" manipulated NATO and the other countries who sent thousands of troops to the INTERNATIONAL intervention in Libya.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 03:31 PM

America had no need to be involved in Libya Greg, President Obama was extremely reluctant to move on the issue, until Mrs Clinton(looking towards her own political future) took the initiative. It was a win/ win situation for Clinton and A lose/lose situation for President Obama. The US political establishment wanted war for the usual reasons......Iraq/ Libya/ Syria.

Good to see you back BTW hope all is well with you.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 03:54 PM

Ake, Martin Gibson or whoever you want to be, A list of your right wing websites would tell us who you are better than your own words.

I do not think you came up with the notion that dissent and "peaceful demonstration is a subversion of democracy."

Furthermore you do this for a response only, and shame on you for trying to scare Helen.

16 years ago I played show and tell here. I then practiced satire to the overwhelming criticism of older members. I then entered the editorial cartoon phase with mixed results. I took some years off and addressed dyslexia head on. They say there is no cure, but fortitude and practice has made my language clearer than ever.

Your cycling thoughts go round and around and never go anywhere. At least all my posts have great diversity over time. I criticize or praise all sides with a preference for the left and try to look at mysteries with an eye toward new insight based on the little I know.
Naturally we are different in a 'words only format'. Our reaction to a sunrise would probably be different.

So are you a needy pasting stooge or are you stuck in a dull circle?
You have the freedom to be more.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 05:30 PM

That's all just dandy, Ake. Now can you answer, or at least address, the question?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 06:35 PM

Reckon we can add John Bercow to Trump's enemy list. Big bad John! 👍🏼🍻👏

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 06:41 PM

Anyone with a functioning brain is ipso facto on Twitler's Enemies List.

But Bercow?- now THERE'S a MENSCH!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 07:29 PM

For now anyway, Greg!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Helen
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 12:09 AM

Thanks for coming to my defence, Donuel. Dyslexics unite! Yay!

I decided to just ignore the repetitive, monotonous strains of akenaton's whining, but I am still reading the thread.

Helen

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Teribus
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 03:30 AM

Greg F which Nations ".... sent thousands of troops to the INTERNATIONAL intervention in Libya."??

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Mr Red
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 03:45 AM

Dyslexics untie - don't get all twisted up. Stick with the issue not the issuer.
It winds them up if they can't get a reaction!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 03:50 AM

Well, as petitions are in vogue I thought I might start one:
====
I've made a petition – will you sign it?
Click this link to sign the petition:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/183495/sponsors/NNtoFqgSujFBhAPeFY9A
My petition:
Congratulate the Speaker on upholding opposition to racism and sexism
This petition calls on Parliament to affirm the Speaker was correct in affirming attitudes to racism and sexism are important factors in deciding who should be permitted to address the house.
====
Pity I used 'affirm' twice, but there you are.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 04:08 AM

which Nations ".... sent thousands of troops to the INTERNATIONAL intervention in Libya."??
THESE - not that you are interested in documented facts!
OFTEN FORGOTTEN FACTS ABOUT THE CONFLICT
AND the BEAT GOES ON
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 04:45 AM

Good for Bercow. Never thought much of him before, but he has gone way up in my estimation.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 06:04 AM

That's the trouble with "liberals" like Mr Bercow, before long they start showing their true illiberal colours.....power corrupts.

So its to be government by Judiciary and government by the Speaker.

Does democracy really exist at all, or is just one out of the basket of myths which we have been fed over the last few decades?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 06:35 AM

"Does democracy exist" is a complicated question. Since we are forever told the UK is a democracy it is easy to assume it is, but in actuality it is a more elaborate object than that where parts of the system are democratic - primarily the commons - but others, like the House of Lords and the judiciary, are not. Then, while the House of Commons is democratic in one sense, our democracy is significantly different to say the US, France, Germany, Sweden ... Not to mention Scotland, Ireland and Wales.

Then of course MPs are, deliberately, enjoined to act as they think in the best interests of the country, not to do whatever their constituents think.

And so to the Speaker: his main role is to protect the status of the House of Commons as he sees it. It is not to side with or against the government or the wider parties. Nor to do what the general population may or may not indicate by referendums or petitions or letters to The Times. If it his judgement that having certain views expressed would lower the status of Parliament he has a responsibility to stop that. And it is his view: if other speakers came to different views, or he judged things differently on another occasion it simply means he weighed the factors differently. People are granted leave to speak or not: such binary results are not good for revealing whether the decision was agonised over or not.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Stu
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 06:48 AM

"Does democracy really exist at all, or is just one out of the basket of myths which we have been fed over the last few decades?"

The rule of law is paramount; it holds us ALL to account regardless and our politicians make the laws and are bound by them.

The Speaker has the responsibility of protecting the integrity of parliament, and he acted fun the best interests of parliament. We're not quite a US arse limpet again yet, but if you're interested in democracy (you're not) then at least making it look like we can make our own decisions and are strong enough to stand by them is a start. Excluding racist and misogynist tosspots IS a start.

Get over it brownshirtflake.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 07:12 AM

Bercow, lest we forget, before he was the Speaker, he was a Tory. One of the reasons I didn't have much time for him before.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Senoufou
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 07:24 AM

I too was very pleased indeed with Bercow's decision,and he expressed it quite firmly and determinedly.

I also never had much time for him in the past (and his wife is a bit iffy in my opinion) but my goodness he's come up Trumps now! :)

It's said it's embarrassing for May not invite him to speak to the House, but imagine the embarrassment if half the Members refused to attend, or booed every time he opened his mouth. Better for him to keep away.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 09:35 AM

Greg F which Nations

Do look it up, T - the information is readily available.

I'm trying to follow my granddad's advice: "Never get in a pissing contest with a skunk".

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Teribus
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 09:44 AM

Obviously Greg F has trouble answering simple and direct questions.

Did get this from Jom though:

THESE - Link - no mention of thousands of foreign troops in Libya. Carroll you would not recognise a documented fact if it jumped up and bit you.

OFTEN FORGOTTEN FACTS ABOUT THE CONFLICT - Link - according to your link the last time "weapons" were sold to Libya by the UK was in 1985.

AND the BEAT GOES ON - Link - tell us all Jom what countries will ISIL be taking over of the ones mentioned in your link. Currently they are running for their lives (Literally) and being picked off in droves.

No need at all responding, your pals will be along soon to talk of pretentious crap masquerading as "folk music", walks in the Yorkshire Dales, possibly it might stretch to a discussion on beer, or cheese or wild flowers - anything in short to disguise the fact that they are clueless when challenged on the topic in question.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 09:50 AM

How would you know about "folk music," Teribus? Going from your posting history, it doesn't seem to interest you much...

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Mr Red
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 11:47 AM

Good for Bercow.

Unfortunately <NOMINATIVE DETERMANISM ALERT> Norman Fowler has said he would consider any request for a person to speak to Parliament. Guardian article

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Stu
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 12:02 PM

Oh no! Trump could speak to a room full of unelected toffs, Tory/Lab/LibDum shills, tosspot aristocracy, irrelevant bishops and other religious types, rich party donors, wankers.

He'd be right at home with that bag of bollocks.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 01:50 PM

I suspect that Bercow's outburst was more to do with the Brexit negotiations than any liberal sentiments that he might hold.
Making sure that the UK is not viewed positively by President Trump would make a good trade deal less likely and would give the careerist remoaners in parliament more leverage.

As leader of the UK government Mrs May should have reserved the right to carry out Brexit without interference (she has the mandate of the EU referendum result) and as such can claim to speak for the British people.

The government team are dealing with unscrupulous individuals who are at best unwilling to accept the democratic decision of the UK electorate and at worst, willing to sabotage the Exit negotiations to protect a severely flawed ideology as well as a corrupt and dysfunctional Union.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 02:00 PM

Mrs May should have reserved the right to carry out Brexit without interference

And broken the very laws that the brexiteers went to great pains to say were being eroded? What a hypocrite.

May has as much right to carry out brexit withhout the consent of parliament as you have to show your arse in the butchers window. It is possible but breaks existing laws. As well as offending any decent person.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Helen
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 02:24 PM

GregF,

Thanks for sharing your Granddad's advice. It's right on the money, in my opinion. I think I'll print it and hang it above my desk at work as well.

Helen

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 02:34 PM

Bercow is supposed to be politically neutral, he could have discussed his views with Mrs May and Lord Fowler in private.
Instead his outburst was designed to gain the greatest possible publicity.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Stu
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 02:40 PM

Get over it.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 02:55 PM

She had no mandate to carry out brexit "without interference." The referendum result was not in any way, shape or form a "mandate." The High Court and Supreme Court confirmed that spite of MOANERS in the form of Farage, May and the Daily Mail. It took a businesswoman, who is now getting death and rape threats, to rein in the arrogant sods who thought they could override the rule of law. And what a waste of our money it all was. Government by twat.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 02:56 PM

It is a pretty serious accusation to say a politician is deliberately trying to make Britain's options worse. We may disagree about which of various routes is best, but to suggest he is rejecting the one he thinks is best to take one he believes to be worse is quite a claim.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 03:22 PM

Well, DMcG, the vast majority of MPs voted last week for a course they thought was worse for the country than staying in the EU. Ken Clarke and the Labour rebels voted for what they knew was best for the country. All the other remain MPs were duped by talk of "democracy" and "the will of the people." Spineless.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 03:37 PM

I take that point, Steve, but it is not quite parallel to the Speaker case. Many of these MPs were torn between their view and the referendum result. They may have felt leaving was worse, but they also believed the referendum made them morally - though not legally - bound to do so. Again, we may both disagree with that, but I can at least understand that position.

But the Speaker is different. He knows we have voted to start Article 50 and, as you said on another thread, short of an earthquake it is hard to see any way that will not happen. So there wil be a need to make a deal of some kind with Trump. I don't see the Speaker taking a course he knows will make that more difficult out of anger at being on the losing side.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 03:59 PM

I find it odd that MPs should feel morally obliged to connive in the result of an advisory referendum that was preceded by an immoral campaign and which was improperly set up. The majority may have voted to have a referendum but they didn't vote to have such a shameful, undemocratic campaign.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 04:53 PM

D, It is said that Bercow will be leaving his post next year, it is also said that he is keen to raise his profile for another career in the media; this may account for his overly dramatic outburst.

At the moment of course it is all about opinions.

In my personal view the whole hysterical scene is a response to an ideology being rejected by a large section of the population and the inability of those who cling to that ideology to come to terms with that fact.
For the last few decades society has shifted markedly towards a socially "liberal" perspective throwing up(if you will pardon the expression) massive social problems at a time when our economy is under intense pressure. The people I mention are going to HAVE to come to terms with a re-calibration of society pretty quickly...as I have said on several occasions, they are not going to like it, but it is inevitable.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 06:21 PM

At the moment of course it is all about opinions.

No, Ake - its all about facts.

President Hump is a deranged narcissistic toddler, a pathological liar, a bunco artist who swindles folks and refuses to pay his debts, a tax cheat, a racist, a sexual predator who should have been jailed for repeated assaults and an all-around total piece of shit.

A large number of people - in fact a substantial majority of folks worldwide - recognoze this.......even if you don't.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 07:32 PM

"this may account for his overly dramatic outburst."
You people really have to demean people who do the right thing - and you still have not responded to the racist nature of this thug
I hope you have no family who has to pick up the fouled-up world you are bequeathing them.
Trump is an unconstitutional fascist who is at present destabalising the planet
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 07:59 PM

Well I watched it on telly and I didn't see anything "overly dramatic" nor were his remarks an "outburst." Delivered in very measured tones, actually. Ever thought of being a headline writer for the Daily Mail?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 09:39 PM

Trump ordered USDA to remove all data about animal abuse and puppy mill violations and inspections removed from public access. You will be allowed to view it after a freedom of information act request.

What does he have against PUPPIES ?

Puppy abuse is apparently not worthy of a regulation.
Instead we have new freedoms to abuse animals.

Be careful, if you support anti animal abuse law you could be called a snowflake.

So the LATEST Trump enemies are PUPPIES ?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 04:58 AM

Jim, do you think for one moment that Bercow is for real?

Someone who has a professed interest in politics should be a better judge than that.
As far as the career politicians are concerned it is still all about reversing the result of the referendum....by any means at their disposal, fair or foul.

Leaving the EU with good trade deals worldwide will enable governments to bring back jobs, put an end to reliance on immigrant labour and instigate proper training programmes for our school leavers. Again, Remoaners are not going to like it, a life on derisory benefits will not be an option. The NHS will be reformed so that it can no longer be abused by everyone. Taxation rates for enterprise will be lowered and taxation rates on the wealthy middle classes....that's you! will be raised. These actions are required if we are serious about changing our society......to do nothing will end in disaster.

Mr Corbyn's socialists will form an opposition which will remain as such for the next couple of decades until the "liberals" gain some sense of reality and start to work for a sustainable society.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 05:06 AM

"Jim, do you think for one moment that Bercow is for real?"
I don't care if he is real or plastic - in this case he has done the right thing in attempting to stop the invitation of a frightening extremist politician from being honoured by Britain
You support this scum without even having the bottle to defend his racist policies, his dishonesty, he unconstitutional behavior and his mysoginism - none of you do, which says what needs to be said about him and you and your fellow Trumpeters - you revert to smear instead of honest argument.
Somebody who describes themselves as human beings ought to do better than that
What kind of people are you?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 06:17 AM

Again, Remoaners are not going to like it...

Vote Leave director admits they won because they lied to the public

Good to know who fell for it hook, line and sinker.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 06:34 AM

WORTH a LISTEN - HILAROUS
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Stu
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 06:39 AM

"put an end to reliance on immigrant labour "

This is a lie you've swallowed without question.

Who's going to get up at 3.30am in the morning to pick cabbages in a cold wet field in Lincolnshire? You?

Who's going to replace the huge number of staff, from cleaners to consultants we need to hire in from abroad to keep the NHS going?

Do you even have an inkling how the tech and scientific industries work? How labour moves around the globe in a whole slew of industries?

We need immigrant labour.

"Remoaners"

Pathetic. Grow up.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Senoufou
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 06:48 AM

That Youtube link was very funny Jim, and made me laugh, but I found myself thinking that if Trump was merely stupid and out of his depth, one could have more hope for him. However, I get the impression he has no personal humility, would not welcome advice or help in his first months as President, and is remarkably stubborn, immovably prejudiced and dogmatic, and determined to have his own way in everything. And that isn't so funny.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 07:03 AM

I tried to copy this to make a link but something is stopping me however if you google "Donald Trump singing to american tourist's in Ireland "

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 07:10 AM

"Leaving the EU with good trade deals will..."

Perhaps, perhaps not, but I have raised the reasons why I think it unlikely we will get a good trade deal with the US several times on several threads and as yet no one has said why i am mistaken. I see the UK in a tremendously weak position with regard to the US and in fact in exactly the position Trump says in his book is ideal for his side to get maximum advantage from.

So why the confidence in a good trade deal?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 07:56 AM

"And that isn't so funny."
I agree entirely Sen
I'm not sure what frightens me the most, the brutish ruthlessness of the man or the mindless adulation of his supporters.
It's fairly unique for the election of a President to be greeted with immediate world-wide and spontaneous protests, but what is more unique as a total refusal of those supporters to even discuss his policies, let alone defend them.
I'm glad I'm not going to be around to see the mess he is likely to make of the planet, if he allowed to.
Terrifying - he has turned democracy (with all its faults) into Plutocracy - and he hasn't got started yet.
It's like a Bond movie where the insane megalomaniac won.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Stu
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 08:54 AM

I'm a libtard.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 09:29 AM

"I'm a libtard."
Wear your badge with pride Stu - though, judging by the context, he probably meant to type 'lizard'
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Stu
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 11:52 AM

No, he meant 'liberal retard'.

What a catch he is for some lucky soul.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 11:57 AM

"No, he meant 'liberal retard'."
I know what he meant Stu - I was making a joke about his attitude to spelling
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 01:30 PM

Funny stuff

As a libtard we have horrendous bias. conturds are balanced radials and never go flat.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 01:50 PM

Funny stuff, where is my desk?

As a libtard I have biased tired ideas full of hot air. Repturds are balanced radicals and never go flat. When the rubber meets the road staunch Repturds hug right turns reign or chime, Winner or Sumner.
It's a Goodyear to have Met Life above lush Trump Fairways.

Sincerely,
the low blood sugar libtard.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: gillymor
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 01:50 PM

Fellow libtards we must resist the crapitalist Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Stu
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 04:46 PM

Sorry Jim. Getting over food poisoning and my sense of humour is still rehydrating.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 05:04 PM

"Trump won because he was forcing the media and politicians to talk about real problems facing the country, not recycling the same bromides the GOP has been pushing for the past thirty years. Those may be okay ideas for another time, but not when the country is about to be permanently transformed into a new country, known as "California" where all those zippy Republican ideas have less chance of becoming law than the wish list of the Wicca online community.
All those angry, uneducated Trump supporters seemed to understand what his policies were. They figured it out by listening to him. It was only fair. No one listened to Trump, except the voters; and no one listened to the voters, except Trump."

Ann Coulter (not an enemy)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 05:57 PM

Ann Coulter(premier ignorant asshole and purveyor of "alternative facts")

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 08:24 PM

"When it comes to latinos, Donald Trump has a muse: Ann Coulter. Last June, when Trump called Mexican immigrants "rapists" in his presidential-campaign announcement, the comment took many journalists by surprise. But that's because many journalists hadn't read Coulter's work. Her book Adios, America: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country Into a Third World Hellhole, which hit bookstores two weeks before Trump entered the race, is packed with statements about "Latin American rape culture" and "the gusto for gang rape, incest and child rape of our main immigrant groups." On page 191 Coulter writes, "The rape of little girls isn't even considered a crime in Latino culture." On page 173 she warns, "Another few years of our current immigration policies, and we'll all have to move to Canada to escape the rapes." Before announcing his presidential run, Trump called Adios, America a "great read." Since Trump began his campaign, Coulter has occasionally warmed up crowds at his rallies"
Ann Coulter

Coulter has been a contributor to VDARE since 2006.[194]
VDARE is a right wing website and blog founded by anti-immigration activist and paleo-conservative Peter Brimelow.[195] VDARE is considered controversial because of its alleged ties to white supremacist rhetoric and support of scientific racism and white nationalism
Ann Coulter

Ann Coulter, the vehemently conservative commentator who rose to fame during the George W. Bush era, showed her racist side on Twitter.
In a tweet sent on the eve of Election Day, Coulter tweeted her desires to see only white people have the opportunity to vote, saying Trump would win hands-down if casting a ballot was only for third-generation citizens on up
Ann Coulter

14, it turns out, is neo-Nazi shorthand for what the Anti-Defamation League calls "the most popular white supremacist slogan in the world: 'We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.'"
Ann Coulter tweet

POLITICSAnn Coulter Just Made THE Most Racist Remark Of This Entire Election
ByGrant SternPosted on November 8, 2016
Strident arch-conservative fascist matriarch Ann Coulter just blasted out one of the most heinous examples of naked racism in the entire 2016 election, which began on a low note twelve months ago with Donald Trump's 'mexicans are rapists' comments and descended into the sewers from there.
Ann Coulter

Do you notice anything that stands out about the list of convicts? Would any of their names have sounded strange to Ben Franklin? Of 22 people convicted of defrauding American taxpayers by fraudulently billing Medicare or Medicaid, at least 17 have almost comically foreign names.
Ann Coulter

Ann Coulter Goes off on Disgusting Racist Rant, Compares Immigration Reform to Sexual Assault
Coulter went after MSNBC for doing what she called "celebrating the browning of America." She followed that by saying that eventually these "brown" people will be the majority, funding programs for older, white Americans, and eventually one day they'll just say, "Screw it." Essentially insinuating that one day "brown people" will turn on the "older white people."
Aren't her comments the basic premise behind white supremacy? That the "brown people" are out to steal and destroy "white America"?
But it gets worse.
Following her CPAC appearance Coulter appeared at a press conference with Eagle Forum head Phyllis Schlafly, where she compared an increasing Latino population to sexual assault.
"This isn't a natural process," Coulter said about the claim by some that demographics in this country are changing. "It's like you're being raped and the guy is telling you 'my penis is in you.' No, you're raping me. Demographics are changing by force. There is nothing natural about it."
Ann Coulter

She said child rape is part of Latino culture, called 9/11 widows "harpies", used terms like "retards" and "f***ots, and advocated killing Occupy Wall St. protesters.
Jews required "perfecting" into Christians. She later ranted about the "f-ing Jews" getting too much attention in the presidential race.
Ann Coulter

Nice one Ake
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: gillymor
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 09:10 PM

"God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, 'Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's yours.'"

-Ann Coulter in one of her sickening tomes.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Feb 17 - 03:43 AM

Like Helen, Ann seems to be an advocate of metaphor?   

Anyway she is a very accomplished author having written almost a dozen books on the "liberal"/ conservative issue. most have been best sellers.

"Extremely witty and intelligent"....."The scourge of media Luvvies"

"Miss Coulter was one of the first commentators to realise what Trump was saying resonated with a large section of the US electorate"

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: gillymor
Date: 09 Feb 17 - 03:54 AM

"Delightfully hate-filled shrew." "Darling of the so-called "socialist"/knee jerk reactionary set."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Senoufou
Date: 09 Feb 17 - 04:05 AM

Jim, I have to admit I'd never heard of Ann Coulter until I read your last post, but from the quotes you provide she sounds a monstrous,evil and dangerous person.
Freud would have had a field day with her obsession with rape.

The even more frightening aspect of her appalling pronouncements is that large numbers of Americans apparently find they resonate with their own feelings and opinions, in the same way that many Germans in the thirties were enraptured with Hitler's vitriolic speeches. This is terrifying, and could lead to absolute bloodbaths as ethnic minorities are attacked.

One is driven to speculate whether she has studied Adolf assiduously and actually admires his policies. I bet this is the case...

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Feb 17 - 04:15 AM

"The scourge of media Luvvies"
You have just endorsed an antisemitic Neo Nazi racist who has stated openly that Mexico breeds rapists and pedophiles, only white people have the opportunity to vote, "brown people" will turn on the "older white people,""brown people" will turn on the "older white people and are out to steal and destroy white America", and allowing "Latinos" into America is "like you're being raped and the guy is telling you 'my penis is in you"
And she endorses Trump - what a dream-team eh?
Can we take this as a final endorsement of your politics
There - that's much better, isn't it?
It must have been awfully stuffy in that closet of yours.

A few more Bon Mots from Annie Get Your Gun - I can see where you fot your hatred of Liberals
"If we took away women's right to vote, we'd never have to worry about another Democrat president. It's kind of a pipe dream, "
"If I'm going to say anything about John Edwards (Democratic nominee for Vice Presidency 2004, nominee for President 2008) in the future, I'll just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assassination plot."
""I was going to have a few comments about John Edwards but you have to go into rehab if you use the word faggot." --at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference"
On the 9/11 widows
"These broads are millionaires, lionized on TV and in articles about them, reveling in their status as celebrities and stalked by griefparrazies. I have never seen people enjoying their husband's deaths so much." -on 9/11 widows who have been critical of the Bush administration"
"We need somebody to put rat poisoning in Justice Stevens' creme brulee"
"Liberals love America like O.J. loved Nicole."
"We need to execute people like (John Walker Lindh) in order to physically intimidate liberals."
"Whether they are defending the Soviet Union or bleating for Saddam Hussein, liberals are always against America. They are either traitors or idiots."
"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity."
"Liberals are stalwart defenders of civil liberties -- provided we're only talking about criminals."
"God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, 'Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's yours.'"
"I think the government should be spying on all Arabs, engaging in torture as a televised spectator sport, dropping daisy cutters wantonly throughout the Middle East and sending liberals to Guantanamo."
"Press passes can't be that hard to come by if the White House allows that old Arab Helen Thomas to sit within yards of the President."
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Feb 17 - 04:24 AM

I see that it's not only the American Left who don't understand irony :0)

Miss Coulter points out the extreme idiocies and contradictions of "liberalism"........she, IMO does not expect to be taken literally but does expect to be taken seriously.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Senoufou
Date: 09 Feb 17 - 04:33 AM

So akenaton,let me get this right. Are you saying that this 'lady'is writing all this guff tongue-in-cheek, and that in effect it's all rather an ironical, Monty Python-type joke?

I've always believed I can appreciate irony, but surely this is going a bit far?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Feb 17 - 04:42 AM

So, if I was to say, for instance, that you deserve to have a Christmas tree inserted very slowly up your arse, backwards, you would believe it is ironic?

Weird.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Feb 17 - 04:43 AM

Miss coulters irony
IN Context

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Mr Red
Date: 09 Feb 17 - 04:45 AM

inserted very slowly up your arse, backwards, you would believe it is ironic?

No! Colonic! - Pictures please, the mental image is not enough.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Feb 17 - 05:21 AM

Repeat
Ann Coulter is an extremist right wing fascist piece of scum and you quoted her as a serous journalist - and as a backer of your support for Trump (which is very handy)
You are hoist on yor own petard and yor hatred of liberals has finally found its source
You don't like that, do you
Have a good rally now - d'y hear, y'all
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Feb 17 - 05:36 AM

Mr Red - :-D

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Feb 17 - 06:30 AM

Is "being taken seriously but not literally" any more than the latest excuse to say anything you happen to feel like on the grounds you don't have to justify it?

Metaphor, simile and analogy are all good and well understood ways of speaking that are to be taken seriously but not literally. Labelling a whole nation as rapists is none of those things.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Feb 17 - 07:07 AM

Thank God, Stu. When you said Libtard I thought you were calling yourself a libertarian bastard.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Feb 17 - 07:08 AM

I'm not the slightest interested in what Ann Coulter (whoops, nearly wrote "Summers") intends by her hate mail – she is a Purveyor of Political Pornography – full stop.
What interests me is that Ake has been peddling her line or similar as serious argument for as long as I have been arguing with him – his manic hatred of liberals is identical, almost word-to-word as hers
He quotes her and presents her as a serious journalist and recommends her as a good one and "not an enemy"
She is a vicious, white supremist misogynist – and she is a friend of Donald Trump's (though interestingly, she once referred to him as a racist – an indication of how far his hatred of foreigners goes maybe?
Ake claims to be a Socialist – in fact, his views make him a National Socialist – I stabbed at this description in the past –he has just confirmed it
Jim Carroll
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Feb 17 - 08:55 AM

The subject if this thread is Trump's Enemies. It is not "Who in the American right is admired by our resident Trump sycophant." Start your own Ann Coulter thread if you want to talk about her.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Mr Red
Date: 09 Feb 17 - 10:26 AM

Add T J Maxx

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Vashta Nerada
Date: 09 Feb 17 - 10:46 AM

Salvation Army

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Feb 17 - 11:41 AM

"The subject if this thread is Trump's Enemies. "
Biit narrow not to include his friends, and she did describe him as "a racist"
As this is your only posting to this thread I'm hardly interrupting your flow Acme, but maybe you're right
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Feb 17 - 12:14 PM

That's right, Ake - Coulter is just a stand-up comic. Michael Savage, Alex Jones and David Duke are real laugh riots, too.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 17 - 12:15 PM

It is true Trump speaks of REAL PROBLEMS
He talks about himself

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Feb 17 - 03:18 PM

Dave the Gnome - 09 Feb 17 - 04:42 AM

If you suffered the same fate Gnome you'd look like a kebab.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: gillymor
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 06:46 AM

I suppose you can add baller extraordinaire Steph Curry to the list. He basically called Herr Trump an ass in response to a pro-Trump statement by the head of one of his main sponsors. I've put my UA t-shirts in a bottom drawer for the time being and won't be buying any more of their products any time soon.

The Daily Beast

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 06:55 AM

A lot of people have burned their brands by speaking up one way or the other regarding this election outcome. It's a difficult choice either way. Your brand may be intact by saying nothing but your head may explode with biting the tongue so hard.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 10:43 AM

I don't wear Under Armour apparel, so I won't have to burn my entire wardrobe as a protest. However, if the budget tee-shirt makers like Hanes and Fruit of the Loom adopt pro-Trump stances, I may have to take up weaving.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Enemies List
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Feb 17 - 09:24 AM

General Flynn will be distanced from Trump and Pence with the discovery of Flynn's call to the Russian Ambassador was monitored by the CIA and their discussion of dropping sanctions for a cash deal and election help.

The whiff of treason will sober up Republicans who want a future in politics.

{Peace Train)

Here comes the treason train.
It's dangerous to stay on
and just as dangerous to jump.
Oh lord its the T train.


This post is a month or two early

Who knows, maybe Jeff Beauregard Sessions AG can hold off prosecutions.