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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Stu Date: 17 Feb 17 - 10:37 AM "I simply asserted that I'm taking akenaton on over his fatuous claim that he's the prime mover behind threads-of-thousands." With all due respect, apart from you two no-one gives a shit about Ake's claim and it's no relevant to the thread, just another episode in your ongoing spat. Start a "Steve's Spat Thread". Now I'm in a spat. Shine on. "He did it in your thread so why didn't YOU pick him up?" I don't care about it being my thread, just I didn't intend it to turn into a Ake/Shaw lovefest which it is in danger of doing. " Every thread I start here gets waylaid but I don't moan and groan about it like you do" You're obviously a far better man than I. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Steve Shaw Date: 17 Feb 17 - 10:14 AM "If the mods won't sort him, I'll have a go. Sod it." Ridiculous. Arrogant. I started this thread to keep track of what the Trumpster was up to and provide a bit of light relief and speculation as to his motives. If you three want to ruin it with your usual love-in can I suggest you go somewhere else and give the rest of us a chance? Blimey, and WE'RE arrogant! 😂 Every thread I start here gets waylaid but I don't moan and groan about it like you do. I simply asserted that I'm taking akenaton on over his fatuous claim that he's the prime mover behind threads-of-thousands. He did it in your thread so why didn't YOU pick him up? For the same bloody reason that I DID pick him up, that's why - because it's a free country. The thread will go whichever way it will and you're no more a thread dictator than I'm an anti-ake mod. And, while you're reaching for your Rennies, just try to remember whose side I'm on. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: gillymor Date: 17 Feb 17 - 10:08 AM More "AF's" from Twitler's press conference yesterday according to a fairly neutral source, USA Today: "• The president praised his administration's implementation of his anti-terrorism executive order, which has been largely blocked by the courts. "The rollout was perfect," he said. But the order caused confusion at the nation's airports, including for green-card holders and dual citizens. • Trump said that the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which unanimously decided not to reinstate Trump's travel ban, has had its rulings overturned by the Supreme Court "at a record number." Not true. • Trump wrongly said that Hillary Clinton "gave" Russia 20% of the uranium in the United States. Clinton was one of nine votes approving the deal. She alone couldn't have stopped the deal, which involved 20% of U.S. production capacity, not stocks, and the uranium can't go to Russia without export licenses. • The president claimed his November victory was "the biggest Electoral College win since Ronald Reagan." It wasn't. Three presidents since Reagan captured a larger share of electoral votes than Trump did, including Republican George H.W. Bush. "• Trump said "jobs have already started to surge" since his election, citing investments by Ford, Fiat Chrysler and Intel. But the investments, much of which were in the works before the election, were largely market driven. • Contrary to the president's claim that "nobody mentions that Hillary received the questions to the debates," there was plenty of press coverage in October when it was revealed that former CNN contributor Donna Brazile shared several questions with the Clinton campaign during the primary election. • Trump said he thought the media had "a lower approval rate than Congress." No — the public's approval of Congress is lower than its trust in the media." The entire story with details for each entry here. USA Today seems to have overlooked Twitler's falsehood regarding a potential meeting with Rep.Elijah Cummings. The old saw "You can tell he's lying because his lips are moving" seems to be especially true for this man-child. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Stu Date: 17 Feb 17 - 09:58 AM "Just imagine the squeals if Hillary Clinton had won and was being subjected to a similar regime." But she was; the FBI leaked her emails but sat on Trump's dealings with Russia. One is a procedural error, one is possibly treasonous. There's plenty of reason to squeal at the moment; Trump's assault on the press is a work prime hypocrisy; Murdoch was sitting in on his interview with Gove and the other chap. Trump is seeking to control the flow of news to suit his own ends rather than for the purpose of conveying quantifiable truths. This should be thundered against; Farage would do the same for sure. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Jim Carroll Date: 17 Feb 17 - 09:42 AM "The way the American electoral system is constructed indicates beyond argument that Trump won" Thew way he is behaving indicates beyond doubt that he has no regard for the American constitution and the verdict of the court has ruled that his behavior is illegal. The evidence suggests that his and his colleagues' connections with Russia are also illegal as was that country's interference in the election. He is a belligerent extremist right-wing bully – his actions yesterday show just how ruthlessly dangerous he is. His warfare with the Judiciary, the Meia and the security services make him an extremely dangerous individual You can hide behind a dubiously arrived at election result if you wish, but you (and Ake) need to start addressing the consequences of his actions. Appeasing tyrants has cost a hell of a lot of lives, even in my lifetime. I'm not sure what your piece from the pro-Trump, 'The Atlantic' is supposed to signify, but it is noteworthy to see that it talks about Eisenhower as an opponent of Russia while here we have Russia interfering in American democracy As I say – address the consequences of letting this extremely dangerous man go unchallenged and stop hiding behind an electoral anomaly that has little to do with democracy. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Greg F. Date: 17 Feb 17 - 09:24 AM A majority elected him. LIE persons and organisations are hiding in the shadows. LIE Those who oppose him & his cronies are quite above-board and obvious about it. the damage it is doing to the office of the POTUS. NONSENSE In fact, Trump is doing considerable damage, while the oppiosition is attempting to PRESERVE democracy. quotes can be found from Washington to JFK about hidden movers and shakers IRRELEVANT In addition, Quotes from Calhoun and Teddy Roosevelt quite amusing, as you obviously have no idea who or what comprised the "invisible government" they were railing against. (HINT: look up oligarchy + plutocracy = Trumpism) You seem little better than your hero in the area of lies, mis-statements and BS - see: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/16/us/politics/trump-fact-check.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: akenaton Date: 17 Feb 17 - 09:16 AM "What is being seen is the engineered take down of a legitimate President. Just imagine the squeals if Hillary Clinton had won and was being subjected to a similar regime." Very well said Iains, my views exactly, no matter what party one votes for, what is happening is disgraceful, undemocratic and IF the President is removed the repercussions will be unimaginable. The protests are about what sort of person the "liberals" think Donal John is, not what sort of President he will turn out to be. These people "liberals" have been wrong about almost everything they have done in the last few years and their friends in the media and security services have a dismal record stretching back decades. If you want common sense or truth don't ask the Cia or the "liberals" |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Iains Date: 17 Feb 17 - 08:13 AM Jim. The way the American electoral system is constructed indicates beyond argument that Trump won.(if brexit had been carried out on a regional vote akin to the electoral college the leave percentage would have been far higher) I believe the judiciary upheld the constitution just recently over the immigration ban for those from certain countries. It is an established fact that both the mainstream media and alternate media on occasions dispense false news. What is being seen is the engineered take down of a legitimate President. Just imagine the sqeals if Hilary Clinton had won and was being subjected to a similar regime. There are precedents for replacing a President, the fact that these are not being followed shows a contempt for democracy and the voters. My thoughts are rather along the lines of the link. Too many revolving doors will kill democracy. It seems the tail is wagging the dog. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/01/the-tyranny-of-defense-inc/308342/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: gillymor Date: 17 Feb 17 - 07:56 AM In his press conference yesterday the Orange Buffoon continued to lie about his victory in the electoral college. Alternate Fact |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Jim Carroll Date: 17 Feb 17 - 07:51 AM "That is not a happy place for a democracy to be." Nor is the undermining of the judiciary, the media and the constitution "A majority elected him for better for worse" A majority did not elect him - Clinton 65,844,954 (48.2%) Trump 62,979,879 (46.1%) - a little more than a quarter of eligible voters supported Trump However, his behaviour is both a threat to democracy and to the well-being of the planet Isn't it worth attempting to stop such a monster, despite how many voted for him? Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Iains Date: 17 Feb 17 - 05:54 AM Although the thread was started to keep tabs on Trump and his behaviour, is it not also of interest to analyse the actions of those who would seem to be engineering a coup against him. It is all very well to rail against the man but surely the significant factor to be considered is the damage it is doing to the office of the POTUS. A majority elected him for better for worse yet persons and organisations are hiding in the shadows determined to destroy him. That is not a happy place for a democracy to be. It is also significant that quotes can be found from Washington to JFK about hidden movers and shakers; A few are below:-many others can be found. "A power has risen up in the government greater than the people themselves, consisting of many and various powerful interests, combined in one mass, and held together by the cohesive power of the vast surplus in banks." – John C. Calhoun, Vice President (1825-1832) and U.S. Senator, from a speech given on May 27, 1836 "Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day."— Theodore Roosevelt, 26th President of the United States, Theodore Roosevelt, An Autobiography, "The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings… Our way of life is under attack. Those who make themselves our enemy are advancing around the globe… no war ever posed a greater threat to our security. If you are awaiting a finding of "clear and present danger," then I can only saythat the danger has never been more clear and its presence has never been more imminent… For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence–on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day.It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations. Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed." — John F Kennedy, 35th President of the United States, from a speech delivered to the American Newspaper Publishers Association on April 27, 1961 This warning was further articulated by President Eisenhower in his farewell speech to the Nation, with warning about the military industrial complex. Since then it has further morphed with well established lobbyists blackmailing and cajoling the arms of government to bend to their will. Time to ask who pays the Piper, the Electorate or the puppet masters? I find it hard to believe these various quotes were conjured into being without having some substance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Stu Date: 17 Feb 17 - 04:32 AM "Try to get over yourselves" Are mate, with all respect you can't keep saying that. It's really disingenuous and condescending and stifles debate itself. "If the mods won't sort him, I'll have a go. Sod it." Ridiculous. Arrogant. I started this thread to keep track of what the Trumpster was up to and provide a bit of light relief and speculation as to his motives. If you three want to ruin it with your usual love-in can I suggest you go somewhere else and give the rest of us a chance? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Jim Carroll Date: 17 Feb 17 - 03:47 AM A nice non-statement Don Of course nobody is right every time, but some people actually argue by putting up what they think while others make unqualified extremist statements and refuse to support them with argument It's known as "stonewalling" in cricket (I am told) That is the greatest cause of anger and abuse on this forum, as far as I can see. Want an example - try "I really cant stand a cheat, you and Jim are a matching pair." The maker of that statement will not qualify our dishonesty, neither will he expound on his blanket support for Trump - to do the first would require him breaking his golden rule on the second, and he obviously has no intention doing that. That is not honest debate Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Donuel Date: 16 Feb 17 - 10:55 PM hahaha e's bloody deadly, sod it no more exaggerations Steve you have a way of using Trump speak in a Monty Python argument sketch. You are either quick to virtual anger or a great comedic character I speculate with the aid of qualified information and it could be argued it is an exaggeration. If I were a journalist that would be anathema but as an individual it is insight when I'm right and drivel when wrong. No one including you is right all the time. If you are right as often as Beethoven was, that should be enough. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Greg F. Date: 16 Feb 17 - 09:12 PM people degrading this forum with exaggerations, misrepresentations and downright lies Could always be worse, Steve - for instance, Trump is degrading our whole country! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Steve Shaw Date: 16 Feb 17 - 07:43 PM I want to hear of these threads of thousands of posts. If you think I'm being obsessive, dead bloody right I am. I'm sick of people degrading this forum with exaggerations, misrepresentations and downright lies. I'm sick of Keith doing it and I'm buggered if I'm letting akenaton get away with it. If the mods won't sort him, I'll have a go. Sod it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Jim Carroll Date: 16 Feb 17 - 07:36 PM "I really cant stand a cheat, you and Jim are a matching pair." Did you actually watch this maniac berating the entire roomful of interviewers Ake How far does he have to go before you explain yourself? The man is utterly insane - even his own Party are disowning his behaviour "I don't think there's ever been a president elected who in this short period of time has done what we've done." Didn't he get that right!!! Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: FreddyHeadey Date: 16 Feb 17 - 07:15 PM 16 Feb 2017 Trump: Administration 'Running Like A Fine-Tuned Machine' « CBS New York - CBS New York - CBS ... "Chaos? There's zero chaos," Trump said. "We are running — this is a fine-tuned machine." He continued: "We have made incredible progress. I don't think there's ever been a president elected who in this short period of time has done what we've done." The president blamed what he called the hatred of the media for obscuring his accomplishments. http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/02/16/trump-white-house-news-conference/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Greg F. Date: 16 Feb 17 - 06:55 PM watch the press conference that Trump held this evening Uh, Steve - that wasn't a news conference. It was a pep rally to gin up his demented followers & fan base. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Steve Shaw Date: 16 Feb 17 - 06:41 PM "My views generate a lot of traffic on this forum, some threads ran into many thousands of posts" That's what you said. No cheating this end. Now where are those threads of many thousands of posts, please? Either tell me which ones or withdraw your outrageous claim as to your massive influence. It's not easy to get me to drop these things, you know. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Greg F. Date: 16 Feb 17 - 06:37 PM If ever validation of this statement were needed: I'm only a "Scottish Trump apologist, who knows F all about US politics" Here it is: #1 these agencies have been demonised by the left since the days of Joe McCarthy (you obviously know bugger-all about the Mc Carthy era) #2 Give [Trump] a chance and he will put the heart back into the USA. Ake, I no longer have the time, or the will, or the intestinal fortitude to continue attempting a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent and/or attempting to out-piss a skunk. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: akenaton Date: 16 Feb 17 - 06:34 PM You just love misrepresentation don't you Steve? I really cant stand a cheat, you and Jim are a matching pair. Where did I ever say threads INSTIGATED by me? What would it matter who instigated the thread it is the views of the participants which are important. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Steve Shaw Date: 16 Feb 17 - 06:18 PM He's insane and he's bloody deadly. So some threads that you instigated ran to "many thousands of posts." Well, to me "many thousands" means, er, at least five or six thousand. I don't regard anything fewer than five to be "many," and even that may be me being a little conservative. Some may regard "many" to be, say, ten or more. So tell me please which threads you're referring to. I don't remember any thread instigated by you running to many thousands of posts. Of course, it could be that my memory is defective. So, apprise me, please. Which threads? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Jim Carroll Date: 16 Feb 17 - 05:57 PM Quote of the Year Today's press conference should have taken place in the presence of a therapist, not the press Republican politician First time a president has ever been booed at a Press conference The man is insane Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: akenaton Date: 16 Feb 17 - 05:47 PM Jeri....nothing that anyone says here "matters", it is all about opinions, that is what this section of Mudcat is designed for, despite attempts to silence unpopular views. My views generate a lot of traffic on this forum, some threads ran into many thousands of posts, if we were all identical in our opinions this or any other debating forum would fold in weeks. Try to get over yourselves, debate is life. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Steve Shaw Date: 16 Feb 17 - 05:46 PM Please watch the press conference that Trump held this evening. He attacked the judiciary, he attacked the media big-time (which are overwhelmingly right-wing!) and he lied in his teeth about Russia. Along with Brexit, he is the biggest threat to democracy in the world today. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: akenaton Date: 16 Feb 17 - 05:39 PM You are better placed than many to give your opinion Joe and you may well be correct, but these agencies have been demonised by the left since the days of Joe McCarthy, culminating in the Iraq and Libyan fiascos. In Fact, had the security services had their way Assad would have been displaced, Syria under the heel of ISIS and in all probability the West involved in a dangerous stand off with Russia. Why the change in emphasis now?.....a conspiracy to remove the president? These agencies MIGHT not be working against the democratic will of the people but they certainly do not look fit for purpose |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Jeri Date: 16 Feb 17 - 05:26 PM So says the can't-vote, doesn't-have-to-live-with-the-results rabid "so called" conservative Scot. In an alternate universe, what he has to say may matter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Joe Offer Date: 16 Feb 17 - 05:26 PM Yes, Ake, I trust the U.S. intelligence services. Yes, there will be those who will dig up "alternative facts" and conspiracy theories but I think there is an overwhelming culture of integrity in the U.S. intelligence services - a drive to provide accurate information even if it isn't what the politicians want to hear (and these agencies are going to be very unpopular with the current administration). The political appointees at the tops of agencies can be swayed, but rank-and-file government workers in general remain professional and honest. I worked for the Army Security Agency (part of NSA) for three years, and then spent 30 years in on-and-off contact with security agencies. They're good folks. But the Trump Administration distorts the truth at every turn of the path, even when there's no reason for distortion. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: akenaton Date: 16 Feb 17 - 04:50 PM Greg, I think the real reason you and the others are so pissed is because he ain't YOUR piece of shit. Most politicians are pieces of shit, but this one seems to frighten the shit out of the establishment........and that is where the 24ct shit resides. You want change to the situation in America, well you wont get it via the DEMs or the Pubs Give the guy a chance and he will put the heart back into the USA. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 16 Feb 17 - 12:51 PM From House Intelligence Chair Devin Nunes regarding a possible Flynn investigation: "The big problem I see here is that you have an American citizen who had his phone calls recorded." Well, the big problem I see here is that chairman of the House Intelligence Committee does not know that the telephone conversations of foreign agents are routinely recorded. It wasn't Flynn's calls that were recorded, but those of the Russian to whom he was talking. One would think the former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency would know that calls to or from the Russian Embassy would be recorded. Or maybe he did know and thought the old rules didn't apply anymore since Trump won. That seems to be the prevailing attitude among Trumpists. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Greg F. Date: 16 Feb 17 - 12:18 PM No matter how much you may disagree with how the vote worked out, the fact remains that under US law Trump won the election. Nobody is arguing that fact, old son. But that fact doesn't negate the fact that the deranged toddler in the White House is a proven pathological liar, a sexual predator, an egomaniac (if not just a maniac, period) a misogynist, a racist, a proponent of using nuclear weapons and a general all-around disgusting and dangerous piece of shit. And it Twitler and his cadre that are in the process of subverting democracy and replacing it with oligarchy of plutocrats. THAT'S what intelligent people are rightfully concerned and upset about. I'm only a "Scottish Trump apologist, who knows F all about US politics" Glad you finally realized that, Ake. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Stu Date: 16 Feb 17 - 12:08 PM "What is the health of a democracy when internal forces are trying to subvert it?" Democracy is always being subverted, look at the lobbying of our own MPs. When I wrote to my MP asking how I should go about lobbying him he sent a standard reply (he is a tory yes-man though) and so I'm guessing us little people don't get to lobby. Go to Bilderberg though and you're subverting democracy with the best of them, as capitalism subverts democracy all the time but few give a shit about that meeting of the actual global elite. The Lords is packed with party donors; Cameron shoehorned in a whole slew of the buggers. In the US something odd is going on, but whereas Trump et al have been toadying up to a country with thousands of nukes pointed towards them (Putin has his eye on the oil pipeline running through the Ukraine), it was the FBI who sat on the knowledge Trump was possibly committing treason whilst scuppering Clinton's campaign because she used a private email server, which is obviously worse than getting your yah-yahs at Russian expense watching the Golden Shower Show. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: akenaton Date: 16 Feb 17 - 12:00 PM Acme, I'm not talking about Benghazi, I'm talking about US intervention to remove Gaddafi....Clinton and the security services pushed President Obama into that quagmire. If these Intelligence Services had been for real they would have realised what the removal of Gaddafi would mean. I knew and I'm only a "Scottish Trump apologist, who knows F all about US politics"..... In fact I think everyone should just pretend that I'm not here! :0) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: gillymor Date: 16 Feb 17 - 11:54 AM Here's the O.P. of this thread: "I thought it might be an idea for us to record the "Alternative Truths" that is coming out of the Trump camp as in years to come this might make for interesting reading. Seeing as the many eyes of Catters are better than just the one pair of eyes, here's the thread. Post links where possible for future researchers to follow. Finally, if you want to quibble about the veracity of these truths all well and good, just go and do it on a dedicated thread please. We're recording them for posterity." So out of deference to the originator of this thread, grow a pair and start your own thread defending Twitler. (like that'll happen) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Iains Date: 16 Feb 17 - 11:44 AM Those that did not support Trump must find the continuing attempts to tear down his administration quite amusing. But if these attempts are put in place so swiftly the question must be asked: Who or what are the organisations orchestrating these non stop attempts. No matter how much you may disagree with how the vote worked out, the fact remains that under US law Trump won the election. What is the health of a democracy when internal forces are trying to subvert it? If these attempts succeed democracy will have been usurped by deep state and NGOs and ever after the Presidency will a false construct inhabited by a puppet. Is that really the America you want? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: akenaton Date: 16 Feb 17 - 11:43 AM The "rednecks" you talk about and who affected the result were almost all working class Americans..... EX-Democrats I believe? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: gillymor Date: 16 Feb 17 - 11:13 AM Maybe you need to adjust the contrast on your TV, ake, still though it it's good to get the so called "socialist" viewpoint. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: akenaton Date: 16 Feb 17 - 11:10 AM "He's still running in campaign mode where all he had to do was bamboozle white rednecks and some extreme conservatives" Howzatt for an alternative fact :0) Not to mention racist...aren't there any black rednecks, I'm sure I saw quite a few at his rallies. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Stilly River Sage Date: 16 Feb 17 - 11:07 AM There is no comparison between Bush and the immoral/illegal Iraq war and the events that happened at Bengazi. But there is no convincing you of that, no matter how many facts are put forward. The fact that Trump now wants to put a billionaire buddy of Bannon's in an oversight position should terrify most Americans. What it does to you is your own business, but I suspect many in the UK dread that possible scenario. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: akenaton Date: 16 Feb 17 - 11:02 AM I know you all hate Donal- John due to his stance on social issues, but really and truly do ANY of you trust the US Intelligence Services? Do you really believe them? After Bush and Iraq? after Clinton and Libya? After "weapons of mass destruction"? For f**k sake these people made you complicit in three wars...and you believe what they say about a sworn enemy. Détente between Russia an the US is not just mutually beneficial.....its an absolute necessity |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: gillymor Date: 16 Feb 17 - 10:47 AM Hair Farce One has provided us with the latest (as far as I know) Alternative Fact. He blamed "fake news" for Flynn's departure when he was the one who claimed credit for firing him on the basis of, we must conclude, "fake news". His "review" of intelligence agencies is an obvious diversion, he's got to be scared about what's going to come out in the Flynn investigation, regarding not just Flynn's phone call and subsequent lies about it but his own organization's involvement with the Russian government. I have no doubt he was encouraging Flynn to reassure his Russian buddies in the wake of the Obama-imposed sanctions, a violation of the Logan Act. The old flimflam man has taken on a scam that's way beyond his abilities. He's still running in campaign mode where all he had to do was bamboozle white rednecks and some extreme conservatives, now he's got to deal with the majority of the electorate, congress, the judiciary and the rest of the government. As far as the next to exit the clown car goes, when Trump's numbers really begin to slide it'll be Bannon because he doesn't need a racist bomb-thrower at this stage as he's already won the electoral college and perhaps preceding him will be Priebus as this administration is an unholy mess. He needs a respected, experienced political operative as chief of staff to clean things up but what decent human being with those qualifications would have any thing to do with him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Donuel Date: 16 Feb 17 - 10:28 AM In America the program description for The Simpsons is "A subversive cartoon show". Do you get Archer or South Park in the UK? Despite our 1st amendment we still have waves of censorship. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Donuel Date: 16 Feb 17 - 09:56 AM Ake, dictators makes strange bed fellows of us all. I would not have believed that John McCain stands between our democratically elected Republic and a white Nationalist cadre with cowardly Republicans risking treason to keep their seat. Of course McCain has a spine now that he has nothing to lose since he isn't running again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Steve Shaw Date: 16 Feb 17 - 09:06 AM We are not "lucky" to have our satire alive and well. It's our inviolable right and it's a rock-solid essential in any country calling itself a democracy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: akenaton Date: 16 Feb 17 - 07:42 AM Ya can't get into bed with the the devil ONE time |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: akenaton Date: 16 Feb 17 - 07:04 AM Gosh Don, I never ever thought I would hear YOU standing up for the discredited intelligence agencies........how soon we forget :0( |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Donuel Date: 16 Feb 17 - 06:41 AM That's funny national medicine Joe We are lucky to have satire alive and well. SA, Iran and Egypt arrest their comics. We are about to enter the paranoid Stalin Trump age as Donald/Bannon starts the purge of intelligence agencies that he believes leaked his Russian indiscretions. Here comes 'yur fired' catch phrase again. Trump wants to fire/arrest the 'policemen'. He can. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Joe Offer Date: 16 Feb 17 - 01:40 AM To hell with all those Alternative Facts. The truth is, comedy is really rich in this Age of Trump. Take a look at "Conway" from Saturday Night Live: And there's more from Vladimir Putin: Don't forget Press Secretary Sean Spicer: And of course, there's The Donald: ...and the "Grab The P*ssy" episode: |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Donuel Date: 15 Feb 17 - 05:29 PM Paul Manafort was already thrown from the clown car. Another scape goat could be Miller but we all know where the buck stops. Trumps son in-law is in it up to his lips but would be the last to fall off. |
