BS: Syria and Western media lies

Subject: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: Jack Campin
Date: 13 Apr 17 - 10:15 AM

Nothing very surprising here if you know the political background, but none of the papers and broadcast media you follow are likely to give you any idea:

https://cultureandpolitics.org/2017/01/29/unmasking-the-msm-lies-on-syria/

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Apr 17 - 01:26 PM

Assad has just appeared on television claiming the chemical attack was faked by the U.S. working in conjunction with al Qaeda
The white-helmeted rescue workers who appear at all these incidents are appaerently al Qaeda terrorists in disguise
He who the gods wish to destroy...... etc
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: Iains
Date: 13 Apr 17 - 02:27 PM

http://www.globalresearch.ca/breaking-us-led-coalition-airstrikes-against-isis-held-chemical-weapons-depot-hundreds-killed/

Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: bobad
Date: 13 Apr 17 - 05:17 PM

From Haaretz:

There are a number of very interesting points in the assessment. It combines both painstaking summaries of the open-source intelligence on the attack – reports and videos made by local Syrian civilians which were posted on social media and reports from international organizations and NGOs – along with the declassified results of U.S. intelligence gathering, confirming and adding new details. This includes both signal intelligence and geospatial intelligence. The available information, along with the timing of the strike, reports on the ground from the affected area, the identity of the Syrian aircraft and personnel involved and the medical details of the casualties, leave no doubt that this was a sarin attack launched by the Assad regime.

The White House naturally didn't divulge many details of its own intelligence gathering. However, one quote from the briefing regarding the bombs carried by a Syrian Sukhoi Su-22 bomber is particularly revealing: "We have one particular munition that we've seen via overhead that we think is a munition that contains sarin." In other words, American intelligence claims to have footage, either from a satellite or a reconnaissance aircraft of the Syrian plane it believes carried out the attack being loaded with a bomb containing sarin. That indicates an intelligence or military service, either of the U.S. or an allied nation, had been intensely surveilling the Shayrat airbase even before the chemical attack.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: Iains
Date: 14 Apr 17 - 03:49 AM

As yet the stories are short on facts and long in fiction. If Trump has overwhelming proof of Assad's guilt you would think he would release it as the world teeters on the precipice of nuclear war. I find it very telling that this has not been done.
   Kennedy released hitherto secret U2 surveillance photos to make the case for Cuban missile sites. The stakes and possible consequence bear marked parallels.
   Could it be the so called 4 page dossier is totally fabricated and cannot stand worldwide scrutiny?

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Apr 17 - 04:31 AM

"As yet the stories are short on facts and long in fiction."
The facts are all there - Assad actually said the photographed casualties being treated by doctors were faked.
Theresa May has announced that British Scientists are analysing the residue of the attack in the belief that it came from Russia.
Perhaps you should send her the article from the publication owned by your Russian billionaire as evidence - she may change her mind!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: Stu
Date: 14 Apr 17 - 04:50 AM

"as the world teeters on the precipice of nuclear war."

Oh dear.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Apr 17 - 05:11 AM

Precisely, Stu. What a drama queen. And if if the stories are short on fact and long on fiction, give us the FACTS (not the speculation as to motives) that you have to hand that demonstrate that the fictions you are grumbling about really ARE fictions.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Apr 17 - 10:04 AM

"Could it be the so called 4 page dossier is totally fabricated and cannot stand worldwide scrutiny?"
No - or if it is, it would take more than denial of history to prove it was.
This is the case of a sharp international swing to the right leaving a number of loose cannons with their fingers on the nuclear button
I didn't have a lot of time for Kennedy and his Vietnam shenanigans, but compared to the current madman in the White House, he was a Ghandi
I have little doub that the Trumpeter's actions are no more than the P.R. machinations of the West's worst leader
If the U.N. had been allowed to act against Assad, Isis would not have been a problem
The Soviet Union would not have wished any part of keeping him out of the War Crimes court and he would be safely banged up, where he belongs - "Free Russia" is another ball game.
Then again, "If wishes were horse, then beggars would ride".
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: Iains
Date: 14 Apr 17 - 10:37 AM

http://www.globalresearch.ca/intelligence-and-military-sources-who-warned-about-weapons-lies-before-iraq-war-now-say-that-assad-

Shaw if you do not think that it would take very small errors of judgement to make events in North Korea and Syria spiral out of control then you are an even bigger fool that I thought you were.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Apr 17 - 07:23 PM

What you think of me is of no interest to me, believe me, Iains. Been here before, haven't we. The one minute to midnight scaremonger syndrome. There will be no nuclear war triggered by Kim Jill U Sucks Shit. There will be no nuclear war triggered by Syria. We are nowhere near. So stop talking daft.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: Amos
Date: 14 Apr 17 - 09:18 PM

Ot may be a fact that "Assad said the gas attacks were not his". That does not make it a true statement that they were not his.

Water under the bridge at this point, but let us not forget how a chain of minor violence (such as Archduke Ferdinand's assassination) can throw a whole string of dominos into serious explosive violence. All hands, man your dampers.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: mayomick
Date: 15 Apr 17 - 07:35 AM

Re your no -WW3 reassurances, Steve. You may think it's all just daft talk from supporters of the man you and- and likely the US marine corps - call "Kim Jill U Sucks Shit" , and that we are "nowhere near".But others like myself are very worried .If we appear scared and think that others should be as well it's because we think that the MOAB detonating two days ago was intended to scare. Hopefully you can assure us that this was not the case

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: mayomick
Date: 15 Apr 17 - 08:19 AM

You argue that there is no possibility of nuclear war arising from the Syria situation while maintaining that Assad's ally , Vladimir Putin ,who you know is armed with an arsenal of nuclear weapons, is the new Hitler . That is the view taken by much of the left, including most of the organized groups that marched against war in 2003.


You all insist that the "Butcher Assad" only remains in power because he is supported by the new-Hitler , namely the cold-hearted , nuclear-armed Putin in alliance with mad dictator-led "imperialist" states like the mad Mullahdom of Iran , and the Crazy Dictatorship Republic of Kim Jill U Sucks Shit's North Korea. But if these people are as bad and as mad as you say they are , surely there is a danger of nuclear war in that ?

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Apr 17 - 08:40 AM

"But others like myself are very worried ."
Put my name down on that list
North Korea isn't one of those I would worry too much about despite it's somewhat eccentric leadership - it doesn't appear to have the international aspirations of the real culprits -
"Free" Russia (I love saying that after a lifetime of Cold War and "repressive Communism") and the U.S. with their ambitious and belligerent heads of state are the real international threats, in my opinion.
Trump has played his hand already with a big bomb and I have little doubt that there are few limits to which he will go (as long as it doesn't threaten his personal interests, of course).
"Free Russia" has gone to the limits, both with conventional weapons and with borderline ones such as chemical and openly anti-personnel ones - he next step seems to be the big-bang.
What did someone (who shall remain nameless) keep banging on about a Clinton victory bringing the world to the bring of war - oh for those 'blue remembered hills' of relative peace, where the main worry was dishonest, shelf serving politicians
This really need not have happened if the U.N. had been allowed to deal with Assad as the war criminal and human rights abuser he is.
If we do come out without a major incident, the first thing that should happen is the removal of the right of strong nations to veto international peace-keeping actions - "Free Russia, China and the U.S. have all been guilty of protecting terrorist states, just as Britain has been in arming them.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Apr 17 - 08:54 AM

Putin is an obnoxious bugger. But he's no new Hitler.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: bobad
Date: 15 Apr 17 - 09:17 AM

Assad retains hundreds of tons of chemical weapons, says defected general.
Regime hid deadly agents from international inspectors, reports Zaher al-Sakat, who himself was ordered to use the weapons against civilians.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/defected-syrian-general-assad-retains-hundreds-of-tons-of-chemical-weapons/

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Apr 17 - 10:04 AM

"What did someone (who shall remain nameless) keep banging on about a Clinton victory bringing the world to the bring of war?"

That was me Jim! and it remains true.
Clinton wanted every Syrian Air Base obliterated, give Obama his due he had the balls to stand up to her in the end.
Let us hope that President Donal John's ill considered but limited strike was indeed a bit of opportunism for domestic reasons and sanity prevails.

Had Clinton been in power rather than Obama we would certainly be facing war with Russia.....and even a couple of days before the latest strike, she was still screaming for Assad's blood.

The abuse of Putin is completely undeserved, he is a statesman and a man of action when required.....notably when the West were stirring up trouble in Ukraine and supporting Islamic terrorists.

What "human rights" do you think would pertain in Syria should President Assad been removed from power four years ago? The same "human rights" which we see enjoyed by the grateful citizenry of Iraq and Libya I suppose... :0(

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: Iains
Date: 15 Apr 17 - 10:46 AM

I suppose anything written by the times of israel concerning events in syria could not possibly be reporting false news now could it? I think I would have a tad more faith in pronouncements by the UN than those of by a defecting Syrian general when it comes to Syrian chemical weapons.

Perhaps in 20odd years we might find out the truth about many recent events in the middle east, and who instigated them. I am confident the line we are being fed and have been fed will be seen to be nonsense and turn out to be a continuous tissue of lies.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Apr 17 - 01:19 PM

"I suppose anything written by the times of israel concerning events in syria"
Why?
"That was me Jim! and it remains true."
I know it was you and it wasn't true - all your own twisted invention
Don't know what Clinton wanted, bu if somebody would have done something we wouldn't be facing a world-wide conflict as we are now - certainly no Isis
Why is the abuse of Putin undeserved - Russia has been using anti-personnel missiles in Syria since they arrived?
We haven't started to discuss what's happening in the Ukraine
Putin is a conceited thug
Are you really suggesting that the terror and mass-murder that The Assad family have been dishing out for generations is preferable to what might or might not happen in yor strange "what if" world - incredible, even by your incredibly inhuman standards.
If we has helped the Syrian People improve their lot we would probably be dealing with a better country than we are likely to be, whoever wins - The Arab Spring was about human rights until Isis moved into the gap we left.
Jesus - you must really hate Arabs - as displayed by your last diatribe of loathing !!
Libya is typical of a result of the west trying to play both sides against the middle (like providing weapons to both sides)
You've been remarkably quiet on Trump the Thump's warmongering - understandably, of course.
I'd be embarrassed if I'd put my money on that particular rabid donkey
For crying out loud Iaians - hy not put up an argument against the well-established facts of the murderous Assad regime instead of throwing stones from a safe distance
Yo might start with the (fake, no doubt) reports coming out of Syria of refugees being bombed
Any moron can do a Violet Elizabeth Bott and hold their hands over their ears and threaten to "scweam and scweam and scweam if you tell me any more nasty things"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Apr 17 - 01:58 PM

By the way - "false news" is becoming the kneejerk response to unsavoury facts
And you all me "gullible and náive
Kids - who'd have 'em, eh!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: Iains
Date: 15 Apr 17 - 03:49 PM

Jim, there is little point in linking sources that are contrary to your perceived wisdom because you immediately discount it as fake news.
The situation is far more complicated than reported, and whatever is reported is generally heavily massaged prior to release. All sides are equally guilty so trying to determine the truth is well nigh impossible.
However there are brush strokes of the bigger picture that give inklings.

Nord Stream is an offshore natural gas pipeline from Vyborg in the Russian Federation to Greifswald in Germany that is owned and operated by Nord Stream AG. This is a money spinner for Putin and gives leverage over western Europe.
The counter pipeline from Quatar/Saudi through Syria was rejected by Syria many years ago. As A result many hacked off Arabs and western "financiers/oil co." More importantly its absence maintains Putin's stranglehold on gas heating supplies to western europe.
   Israel has illegally sold drilling rights on the Golan Heights(Stolen Syrian territory) Afek Oil, the operator has made a substantial discovery. This issue is totally ignored by the mainstream media mainly because of distraction of the alleged Syrian civil war. Afek oil is a subsidiary of Genie energy. Essentially this oil will be looted by Genie Energy, an American-based oil and gas company with major investors and advisors comprising a who's who list of war profiteers—Dick Cheney, Rupert Murdoch, Lord Jacob Rothschild, and James Woolsey. This action is in clear violation of international law, specifically the Annex to the Fourth Geneva Convention.
I don't believe fox news will allow any news to spoil this little party and you seriously think the mainstream media do not spread spread false news?

As time goes by more and more ends up in fewer hands and those same hands manipulate all the strings. Perhaps the sheople should try to wake up.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: The Sandman
Date: 15 Apr 17 - 05:43 PM

I dont think we know half of what are better are up to.
Quite Frankly, I challenge all the propoganda, and find it difficult to know what the feck is going on.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Apr 17 - 07:23 PM

That was me Jim! and it remains true.

Jesus wept.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Apr 17 - 07:32 PM

"Jim, there is little point in linking sources"
I think that is the most crudely dishonest response anybody has put up on this form
It's not worth putting evidence up because it's no going to be believed
You are attempting to lighten up a serious subject by making a joke, aren't you?
If you are not prepared to put up an argument, you have no case Iains - sorry - that's what happens in debate
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Apr 17 - 08:43 PM

I don't think there is anyone, or any news source, that can be identified with any confidence as a reliable source of information or analysis in relation to the Syrian conflict.

All we have are allegations and counterallegations treated as fact, or as fake, according to the preexisting views of those reporting or analysing them.

The contrast between the version of events we are told in regard to Aleppo and Mosul is very apparent. The same pattern of things happening, but the spin we are getting in regard to them are diametrically opposed.

I cannot conceive that a victory by "the opposition" in Syria would be any less disastrous than the victory by "the opposition" in Libya has turned out to be. And I suspect that is a very optimistic way of seeing such an outcome. The same is only too likely to be the case in regard to a victory by Assad.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Apr 17 - 03:53 AM

I don't agree Mr McGrath, President Assad ruled over a viable secular country before the sowing of the "Arab Spring".....the alternative is bloody chaos which seems to be what we in the West are promoting.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Apr 17 - 04:44 AM

"President Assad ruled over a viable secular country before the sowing of the "Arab Spring""
And he cynically turned it into a holy civil war to defeat the people who were demanding human rights and an end to despotism
Your ongoing contempt for those demands and your siding with yet another mass-murderer is typical of your extreme hatred of people who won't genuflect to authority
Jim Carroll
Can't clickie this but it paints a picture of life under Assad
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syrian-defectors-reveal-horrors-of-life-under-bashar-al-assads-regime-in-reminder-for-west-to-not-10458185.html

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Apr 17 - 06:10 AM

Your trouble Jim, is that you don't live in the real world, but in a "liberal" fairyland.
Middle Eastern society has always been a jungle and to impose any sort of order there demands harsh rules.
Our "social democracy" cannot be transplanted to the Middle East in a few months or even a few years...in will require decades of slow evolution. When it is achieved it will slowly devolve again as can be seen in what is happening in the developed West.

The Capitalist wheel keeps on a turnin'

As I have said many times a socialist system will be no Utopia and fortunately will not come about in our lifetime. It will have no space for "liberals"

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Apr 17 - 07:39 AM

"Your trouble Jim, is that you don't live in the real world, but in a "liberal" fairyland."
My "liberal fairyland" envisages a situation where human beings are treated as such and not as a source of cheap goods and petrol
Muslims have more right to better themselves than we do at their expense
You dishonestly raise my "transplanting our democracy on the Middle East for the umpteenth time when you have been answered on every occasion- nobody is suggesting such a thing.
These people are fighting for the right to stay alive and feed their families - not for "western", or any other form of democracy - that was what The Arab Spring was about.
We plundered the world for centuries and left out "subjects" with a horrendous mess to clean up after us - the couldn't find their own self-determination under Imperial rule and they have been unable to do so since because of the predatory nature of Western society
They try to better themselves and meet with sneers from the likes of you - and we rely on filling our shops with slave produced goods
You insist they have no lace here when they move to make a living and you describe them as throat-cutting savages - you just have.
You woud rather see drowned children carried out of the sea than have them 'pollute our way of life'
What kind of people are you that do that - beyond my experience
I would rather have a Muslim as a friend and neighbour than a hate-mongerer like you who might just latch onto the fact that I have Irish ancestors
Please add "national" to your claim of socialism - that's where yours is coming from
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Apr 17 - 11:19 AM

Abusive nonsense.

The main problems among the Arabs are the warring sects of Islam.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Apr 17 - 01:11 PM

Not all Muslims are Arabs, but hey. The main problem for "Arabs" is western interference in countries we don't like and western connivance in "Arab" countries we do like because they have something we want and we ignore or prop up their stinking regimes in order to get it. Another major problem for "Arabs" is the west's unconditional support for a bellicose and discriminatory Israeli regime. "Arabs" may not often behave like saints but by no means are all their problems caused by they themselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Apr 17 - 01:20 PM

Does it matter who caused their problems when sections of the mad bastards suicide bomb innocent families...these people don't deserve any kind of understanding.

They have a death wish and use it to dispose of as many unbelievers as possible.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Apr 17 - 01:34 PM

"Does it matter who caused their problems when sections of the mad bastards suicide bomb innocent families."
You are attributing the act of criminals to an entire people - that is as racist as it gets
You are as hate-filled as it gets
It would be little wonder if the world hated Britain if your vicious hatred of other cultures was prevalent
It isn't and they don't
You really are one of a kind Ake
Perhaps we can apply your 'final solution' to homosexuals while we're at it - gas-chamber building might be a first step in renwing bBritsh industry
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Apr 17 - 01:38 PM

A USEFUL SITE FOR NON BRITAINS VENTURING ONTO THIS FORUM
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Apr 17 - 08:09 PM

It was pretty evident that aken's "mad bastards" referred to the jihadists who appear to be the most effective opponents of the Syrian government, rather to Arabs as such, since those Syrians supporting that government are also Arabs.

I note a story in The Observer about a suicide bomber yesterday targetting a convoy of buses taking evacuees from a besieged government held town, and killing an estimated 100 of the passengers, including children. Atrocities carried out on the part of the anti-government side get far less attention than they deserve.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Apr 17 - 03:13 AM

That was my meaning exactly Mr McGrath.......but Jim was well aware of what I meant.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Apr 17 - 04:32 AM

"but Jim was well aware of what I meant".
Yes I was Ake, and I have done since you referred to refugees coming to Britain in a similar fashion in an earlier posting - pretty sure it was on the Labour Party Thread which I am having difficulty opening
I will reproduce it here when I manage to do so.The discussion here was not about "jihadists", but about supporting the Arab Spring protests - it was you who brought up terrorism as an excuse not to.
Your pathetically racist reason not to was your caim that their problems were not about exploitation but "warring factions".
You and every other racist has targeted refugees because there might be suicide bombers among them (a totally unfounded accusation, by the way)
There is no evidence so far that terrorists have come to Britain or anywhere as refugees - it has always used by people like you as an excuse to let children drown in the sea rather than offer them the sanctuary that any decent, humane nations has given throughout history.
Your scummy racism came to light when you insisted there was nothing wrong with forcing refugees to wear 'yellow-star-like' identification and have their doors painted a certain colour long after even the scummy bum-wipe press had exposed it as dangerous.
You still adhered to that view when you dishonestly accused me of claiming that I had dreamed up a conspiracy theory by the authorities.
You are a hate merchant whose favourite targets are immigrants, refugees, Muslims in general and homosexuals - you even joined in on the "chosen way of life" of Travellers when your two racists friends were administering their kicking to that particular cultural minority.
One of the most interesting aspects of the last few months is to see the racist maggots crawl out of the woodwork.
And you talk about our "gang", with your little group of ravenous wolves on the prowl!!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Apr 17 - 09:54 AM

It can be tempting to refer back to previous disagreements in discussion, as evidence of inconsistecy or of other factors that might cast doubt on the credibility of a person, but this is better resisted. It's not possible for other people to judge the validity of such references without going back and reading the previous discussion.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Apr 17 - 11:22 AM

It must be obvious from reading any of his posts that Jim has lost the plot. He appears unable to hold a rational discussion and relies on his warped view of politics and life in general.

Personally I would rather have nothing to do with him until he regains some sanity.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Apr 17 - 06:11 PM

It's not possible for other people to judge the validity of such references without going back and reading the previous discussion.

Well then, they can easily go back nd read the previous discussion.

Although thay might be spared the trouble, as the three "usual suspects" are pretty much spouting the same nonsense currently as they have for ever more.

YMMD.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Apr 17 - 08:24 PM

Working out which discussion is being referenced at any time, out of a sizeable number, and tracking down the posts being referred to, would be a lengthy exercise. And a pretty pointless one.

When discussions about serious issue unravel into name calling and personal feuding it gets pretty irritating. And of course the outcome more often than not is the thread gets shut down - and if someone opens another thread to enable further discussion, it happens again.

Free speech requires self control.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Apr 17 - 08:55 PM

"It must be obvious from reading any of his posts that Jim has lost the plot."
And it must be obviour from his total failure to rspongd to anything that has been put up that Ake has no answer other than to create a smokescreen of unsustainable innuendos.
You have had my opinions and have had masss of evidence to back them up Ake
Put up your arguments and we
'll discuss them point-by- point, as I always make a point of doing.
Failure to do this wiill be as valid as your questioning my sanity.
The only thing you have to offer in all this is a clean pair of heels disappearing over the horizon.
You are, like all racists, a craven coward when confrontation with your inhumanity
C'mon Ake - this is a debating forum - debate, for fuck's sake
"Personally I would rather have nothing to do with him until he regains some sanity."
I told you hat I would do if you questioned my, or anybody's sanity again.
Personally, I find the level of hatred you express for other cultures or those who don't conform to your twisted "norm" as insane as it gets
Any cowardly moron can call names from the safety on anonymity - how about dome real argument?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: Teribus
Date: 18 Apr 17 - 02:37 AM

"Arabs" may not often behave like saints but by no means are all their problems caused by they themselves. - Steve Shaw

Their problems are entirely caused by themselves and by their adherence to their perception of what they see as to being the requirements of the various sects of their religion.

See Jom is peddling his usual ill-informed, cliché riddled, stereotypical twaddle.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: Iains
Date: 18 Apr 17 - 04:20 AM

"Jim, there is little point in linking sources"
I think that is the most crudely dishonest response anybody has put up on this form.

Bullshit Jim!

I see no point in making a list of blue clickies for you to immediately disparage. You know where the sources are. If you are interested in a counter view go read them. Having a clickie contest gets us no-where.
I have posted enough on Syria for you to know where I am coming from. Unlike you I had 4 years working in the country up to and including the start of the unrest. .I am not saying this gives any greater insights than others, but it gave me contact with the country and certain of the people on the ground both in Damascus, Homs, Palmyra and up towards deir es zor.Syria was a secular country where it was safe to travel the streets any time of day or night. The same was true of many parts of the countryside, although I knew of a few sheiks that still thought and acted in a positively medieval fashion. Arab Spring in Syria was a manufactured entity. Having seen Bird Air and Air America in strange parts of SE asia in the early 70's I have a healthy distrust of uncle sam's actions around the world and even less faith in his propaganda.
As you support the mainstream view tell me why trump bombed the airfield when others suggested an entirely neutral team be dispatched to look for evidence of Sarin? Could it be the truth is harder to discern after bombing the shit out of it? Surely not!
I suggest you cast your net further for news sources and try some analysis.Any fool can spout the MSM. It generally has as much contact with reality as a belief in Martians.
Do you not think it strange that coalition caused civilian casualties
in both Syria and Iraq get little coverage whereas, whenever possible, casualties that can be attributed to Assad, with zero evidence, grab the headlines?. Is it not also strange that when Assad is winning he promptly scores an own goal by killing his own people? If you believe that is a likely scenario rejoin the ovines.

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Apr 17 - 04:21 AM

"Their problems are entirely caused by themselves "
Racist stereotyping in the extreme - the same was said of the Jews up to the holocaust, and then, the right continued to put forward the same argument, until it was made illegal to do so.GHow far from the right are you coming from ?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syria and Western media lies
From: robomatic
Date: 18 Apr 17 - 03:24 PM

How about the destruction of Hama under Hafez Assad? My understanding of it was that it was the savage killing of at least 20,000 civilians from a religiously dominated location (Muslim Brotherhood) by a secular state which took pains to publicize the fact.

The reason I'm bringing it up 35 years after it occurred is that it is relatively hard to parse out the facts of the present but we know the bloody mindedness of the past.