BS: Apologies to my British friends

Subject: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: olddude
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 02:39 PM

The idiot trump does not speak for most of our people.. What he said about the mayor of London is appalling.. I am so sorry you people had to hear that idiot say those things..

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Senoufou
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 03:01 PM

Dear friend, I'm sure none of us Brits are daft enough to think all Americans feel the same way as Mr Trump. It's so sweet of you to be concerned, but have no fear.
Kindest regards from
Eliza

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: gillymor
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 03:53 PM

I know where you're coming from, Dan, but I think the people who were dumb enough to vote for him should do the apologizing. The old fool has resurrected the image of the Ugly American in spades.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 04:05 PM

Rebecca Solnit has a pretty good handle on what makes Trump tick.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Jack Campin
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 04:10 PM

Trump has probably lost the Tories a couple of seats in the election with that intervention. Bring it on, Donny boy.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 04:21 PM

Does Trump have supporters in the UK? What percentage of the UK electorate see any value in him?

I found what he tweeted about the London mayor, to be truly frightening.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Jack Campin
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 04:49 PM

Trump = Brexit. Yes he does have supporters here.

A lot less than a few months ago, though.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Teribus
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 05:00 PM

Apologies would be more appropriate and warranted for the crass stupidity of prat in whatever US Intelligence Agency it was that leaked Abedi's name and the Manchester Arena forensic crime scene photographs to the imbeciles at the New York Times who published them. Now that little group olddude really did do some damage that helped those who carried out that attack - with Trump and Sadiq Khan it is just empty meaningless hot air that will be forgotten in a fortnight.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 05:12 PM

Yes, he does have British supporters, Joe. Including right here on Mudcat sadly.

No need apologise, Dan. All right minded people know just what he is.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 05:55 PM

Yes, he does have British supporters, Joe.

And obviously British acolytes if T-Bird is representative----- which
I very much fear that he is.

Just goes to show that stupidity knows no nationality.

Before getting unduly exercised, tho, its worthwhile recalling that "you can't cure stupid".

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Teribus
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 06:59 PM

An acolyte Greg F, - how the fuck is that assumption of yours arrived at? Or in your world does absolutely everybody have to be in lock-step with you and slavishly agree with and fawn over every idiotic thing you come out with?

What I drew attention to was the immeasurable harm that was done to the investigation into what happened in Manchester. Evidence taken at the scene indicate that the construction of the bomb was quite sophisticated and that it bore a marked similarity to the bombs detonated in Paris in 2015. Of absolutely no importance to you of course Greg - you'd rather waste your time ineffectively having a pop at Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 07:53 PM

So T-bird: do please then give us your in depth analysis of Trump, his policies, his idiocies and his hangers on - like yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 08:35 PM

Greg I have an idea. I wrote an in depth analysis of Trump in a fictionalized piece called the Devil and Mister Trump. No one reads 29 pages. zzz
Instead the best analysis is to let everyone

BE TRUMP FOR A WEEK.

Let it be fiction or fact, satire or sarcasm, spun gold from dung or the best impression people can muster.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 08:52 PM

What was illuminating was a recent repeat of BBC News Hard Talk 30 mins interview with Trump from 2 decades ago...


Still on iplayer...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08nf3nt

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 10:55 PM

For this ass, I'd apologize to my British *enemies* if I had any.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: meself
Date: 06 Jun 17 - 12:22 AM

Acme: good essay - thanks!

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Jun 17 - 02:53 AM

As far as I am aware Greg F. To date I have not made any comment at all that would indicate that I am a fan, or admirer, or "acolyte" even of your current President. I have however made comments about behaviour that disrespects the office of the President of the United States of America. Please do not make the mistake of confusing those for statements of approval of the man.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Jun 17 - 09:19 AM

disrespects the office of the President

Bad news for ya, T - the office doesn't give a shit if it's disrespected or not.

Nor should anyone else.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Iains
Date: 06 Jun 17 - 09:27 AM

Tell me Greg F? Does that asinine comment of yours apply by extension to the US constitution and armed services and all government bodies?

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Jun 17 - 09:54 AM

Tell me, Iains, does your respect for offices extend to that of the "Commander of the Believers" or that of il Duce or possibly "The Imperial Wizard" or "Chairman of The Workers Party of Korea"?

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Stu
Date: 06 Jun 17 - 10:53 AM

"I have however made comments about behaviour that disrespects the office of the President of the United States of America."

Like the present incumbent? Anyway, no matter who you are in the world respect has to be earned.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Jun 17 - 12:32 PM

"no matter who you are in the world respect has to be earned."

I'm prepared to hire out my respect... or consider selling it in blocks of 12 months for the exclusive use of one individual...

Rates negotiable.. I'd like enough for a Gibson Les Paul Traditional for my 60th birthday in 18 months....



Anyone with low self esteem, insecurity issues, and no mates can apply...


cheers.... 😜

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Jun 17 - 12:54 PM

Gee whiz, now even Theresa May thinks Trump is a prat! What does that tell you?

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Jun 17 - 01:28 PM

Commiseratiins to my American friends.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Jun 17 - 01:29 PM

Apologies for trumpish spelling there.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 02:38 AM

He just lives up to our low expectaions!!

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Teribus
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 04:22 AM

Stu - 06 Jun 17 - 10:53 AM

"no matter who you are in the world respect has to be earned."

Rather a naïve and simplistic statement Stu - love to hear how this system of "respect" works. Do you really only respect people that you "know" and who have personally "earned your respect"? Or do you take the word/opinion of a third party who has previously earned your "respect" to respect someone you do not know?

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Mr Red
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 04:37 AM

He just lives up to our low expectaions!!

that high?

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 05:46 AM

apparently he's renewed his attack on Sadiq Khan.

i've heard that that is his style. when he feels attacked he comes out with guns blazing.

hard to see how its going to work. SK seems an inoffensive little man.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Stu
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 05:57 AM

"Do you really only respect people that you "know" and who have personally "earned your respect"? Or do you take the word/opinion of a third party who has previously earned your "respect" to respect someone you do not know?"

No, I make my own mind up based on a persons actions and attitudes. I'd never defer to someone simply because it's 'expected' or they hold a title, have money or have achieved high station. That means nothing, and I don't place store in that sort of thing. It's what a person is like that matters, that's what earns respect.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 07:00 AM

i'm just going to concentrate on my ukulele playing.
Trump is too weird to figure out.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 08:14 AM

If only "wierd"was the worst thing he was.....

Now his crooked son Eric is joining the chorus of whining about how everyone's picking on poor daddy- what a family ofthree-year olds.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Teribus
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 08:19 AM

So does that mean Stu that your default position is that no-one is worthy of your "respect" until you they have satisfied your criteria? Therefore it is reasonable to assume that you consider your attitude, point of view and judgement on all things superior to anyone else's. And no it is not "what a person is like that matters" - that is not what you are saying - the rule you seem to running on is that you think that it is whether the person thinks and acts in a manner that suits YOUR rules is what matters - to you.

A more reasonable position to take would be that all are to be considered worthy of "respect" until they prove otherwise - that covers respect on a personal level. When it comes to interface with certain professions respect should be shown to people due to their position, qualifications and experience, that should be done out of common courtesy and good manners. Or are you the type who if in Court would address the Judge as "Mate" just to make the point of not showing due deference? Someone did that the other day and found out to his cost that it certainly did not pay, he, and you, might think that you are making a point when in fact all you are doing is showing your immaturity by being pig ignorant and boorishly arrogant.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 08:26 AM

"Respectv" seems to have two senses. Every one is entitled to our respect, as being a person, but that doesn't mean that some also deserve our contempt on account of the way that person behaves. And every day Trump reminds us of that.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Stu
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 08:30 AM

"Therefore it is reasonable to assume that you consider your attitude, point of view and judgement on all things superior to anyone else's."

No it's not, and to be honest you're not in a position to judge. I do however fully accept I am full of shit and a person of limited intellect and no talent for anything much and am certainly superior to no-one.

I'm not getting into arguing semantics with you T, this is thread drift again.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 08:40 AM

oh bloody hell! what does it matter. generally the president of the usa is a post deemed worthy of respect. like the queen of england. like the bloke next door, til his dog shits on your lawn.

perhaps Stu doesn't respect anyone - how can we know. we've never met him.

according to Jim Carroll, we brits should spend our lives in penitence for the foul deeds committed by our various governments over the last 800 years or so.

so old dude i would resist the temptation to apologise, you probably haven't atoned yet for Wounded Knee.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 08:41 AM

mind you though.. it is an interesting thread drift...


For instance i can highly respect specific aspects of an individual I otherwise despise and hold in contempt..

eg... Teribus and Trump...

I certainly believe in the gentlemanly / military concept of respecting, even admiring, one's enemies...

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 08:53 AM

Well, then, allow me to RESPECTFULLY state that Trump is an ignorant, juvenile, narcissistic, bigotted, dangerous asshole.

There. That better?

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 09:19 AM

I can't help smirking when I here some smug twat start off with..

"Now with all due respect..."

I get a similar laugh out of "Well, I respect your right to an opinion.... but...."

oh... and that loathesome smarmy put down... "ok.. so.. Let's agree to differ...." 😜

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 09:21 AM

With all due respect PFR we will have to agree to differ on that...

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Stu
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 09:37 AM

"perhaps Stu doesn't respect anyone - how can we know. we've never met him."

Not true!

I have huge amounts of respect for lots of people, including many on this forum (including Teribus, when he's not being insulting). I just don't respect people simply because they have a title, they have to be decent people. It's not the office of POTUS that demands respect, it's the POTUS themselves. So given the way Trump conducts himself, his attitude and his actions I have zero respect for him, not a jot. Now the Obamas, despite being flawed (cos they're human) I have a huge amount of respect for, both as POTUS and first lady and as human beings.

I really don't see the issue with this. If you meet someone you don't know you treat them with respect and accept them with an open mind of course, but if after a while they turn out to be a bit of a knob, do they deserve your respect regardless?

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 10:07 AM

here hear to all that...


[respect due to anyone who's refrained from being smug and pulling me up on mispelling 'hear' in my previous post...]


..now as to 'self respect'... that's an interesting one to consider...???

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Teribus
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 11:13 AM

By the bye in relation to this particular discussion - no-one by their conduct and attitude disrespects the office of the President of the United States of America more than the current incumbent.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: leeneia
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 12:04 PM

Well, olddude, you are asking Trump to be different from most other guys of his type. Trump made a fool of himself because he skimmed a statement by the mayor and gave a knee-jerk response to what he thought it said. And he was wrong about what it said.

Right now, I have a thread going called "tune names - may I vent?". And I would estimate that 4/5's of the responses are by men who did the same thing Trump did - skimmed it looking for sarcastic things to say to me. They don't even realize what the thread is about. It's not about dancing, and it's not about playing music, it's about doing the office work that goes on behind the scenes.

As President, Trump is supposed to have advisors, etc, to keep him from making an ass of himself. Man, how I wish he did.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 03:07 PM

yes the mayor was just saying - don't be alarmed at the sight of police with guns on the street. its not something we're very used to - although its a more common sight than it ever used to be.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 03:23 PM

...and only short while later, May declares her willingness to trample over human rights legislation
to catch n kill, then deport the bad guys...

Whoulda thought Trump was aheasd of the game and expressing such noble concern for civil liberties versus a police state...??? 🤔 😕

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 03:37 PM

til his dog shits on your lawn

Precisely. Except in this case it's not the dog, but the man.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 05:33 PM

Leenia, AFAIK the lawyers who have refused (as one) to represent Drumpf have done so because (a) he does not listen and (b) then he stiffs you on the bill. So it is entirely possible that his advisers gave good advice (unlikely, since mostly he has handpicked arseholes as advisers) but the Drumpf chose not to listen.

OTOH, I ahve not (at least until now) had much respect for Khan as a politician, who I thought of as a conniving backstabber. But his work as a civil liberties lawyer (in the wonderfully named Christian Khan) commands nothing but respect. Even if he was a Bliarite he seems to be learning. Or maybe he is just being the Vicar of Bray.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Mr Red
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 05:12 AM

<THREAD DRIFT=OFF>

Apologies most gratefully accepted, and just to re-iterate, not needed.
Apologies for our "trumped-up DiscJockey," Niggle Farrage!

<THREAD DRIFT=ON>

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 08:32 AM

From: McGrath of Harlow - PM
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 08:26 AM

"Respect" seems to have two senses. Every one is entitled to our respect, as being a person, but that doesn't mean that some also deserve our contempt on account of the way that person behaves. And every day Trump reminds us of that.

I wouldn't agree that everyone is entitled to our respect. I would, however, agree that everybody should be treated with respect but that is not the same thing.

Cheers
Nigel