BS: very dark

Subject: very dark
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Oct 17 - 03:49 PM

6pm tonite. it had been dark for 2 hours already.
bloody dark!

Subject: RE: very dark
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Oct 17 - 03:50 PM

sorry! should be in bs

Subject: RE: very dark
From: Jack Campin
Date: 29 Oct 17 - 04:17 PM

It's been happening for a while now

Subject: RE: BS: very dark
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Oct 17 - 07:20 PM

That's funny Jack

Ancient bull shit artist theorists agree 9 out of 10 mysteries are explained with bull shit.

Taking kids out for a forest walk right before six makes for a spooky return trip this time of year.

Subject: RE: BS: very dark
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Oct 17 - 10:02 AM

That's because all those solar energy things are taking the sun's light. Soon it will always be dark because all the sunlight will be gone.

Subject: RE: BS: very dark
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 30 Oct 17 - 11:29 AM

It's all that dark dark energy the cosmologists keep talking about.

It used to stay really well hidden, but now that science seems pretty close to figuring out what it is, it's starting to come out of hiding.

Subject: RE: BS: very dark
From: keberoxu
Date: 30 Oct 17 - 12:00 PM

Won't be long before the USA turns its clocks back
from Daylight Saving Time to standard time.

and, BOOM, we'll get the instant dark effect.

Subject: RE: BS: very dark
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Oct 17 - 12:20 PM

It's depressing. Is it still a few dozen Scottish farmers stopping us from leaving the clocks alone in October?

Subject: RE: BS: very dark
From: robomatic
Date: 30 Oct 17 - 01:11 PM

Who can't you trust if you can't trust the National Trust?

Just listened to a good radio show this weekend, on U.S. National Public Radio (so you know it's true) about things we might commonly accept, but which are not really true. One of the items was about women in proximity synchronizing their periods together, and the other was a perception among northern peoples that the sun doesn't come up where it used to.

Subject: RE: BS: very dark
From: BobL
Date: 31 Oct 17 - 03:16 AM

the sun doesn't come up where it used to

I think it's called orbital precession...

Subject: RE: BS: very dark
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 31 Oct 17 - 10:02 AM

the sun doesn't come up where it used to

I heard that radio program too. They were talking about Inuits in very northern latitudes seeing the first sunrise after the long dark winter in a different location from years before. It's actually caused by a mirage effect. The sun has not yet actually risen above the horizon, but the image of the sun below the horizon is being reflected off of a layer of warm atmospheric air. The phenomenon had been observed years ago, but was a rare occurence. Climate change has apparently made the necessary atmospheric conditions so commonplace that it now occurs regularly.

Subject: RE: BS: very dark
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Oct 17 - 10:08 AM

The sun sets before you see it setting. Look it up!

Subject: RE: BS: very dark
From: Rumncoke
Date: 02 Nov 17 - 12:05 AM

The sun sets when you see it set - just because you are looking at where it was, not where it is doesn't make any difference.

It is also up only when you see it - before that it is dark.

I remember an episode of Dr Who where the baddie sent a signal to set off an explosion from a long way off - so they travelled in the TARDIS in an instant, and cut the wires, or whatever, before the signal arrived - possibly from Mars.

Simple.

Subject: RE: BS: very dark
From: Mr Red
Date: 02 Nov 17 - 06:00 AM

Won't be long before the USA turns its clocks back

You using the Trump word?

Subject: RE: BS: very dark
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 02 Nov 17 - 02:35 PM

One thing I only found when playing around with home automation is that we have more than one type of dawn/dusk see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight

Something I don?t understand is that the light seems to fade much quicker in the winter where I am now in North Norfolk then where I was in North Wales. I mean the time it seems to take from noticing it?s getting dark to being too dark to do anything outside?

Subject: RE: BS: very dark
From: Mr Red
Date: 03 Nov 17 - 11:06 AM

All them thar mountinz in Norfolk. That ud be it.

How high up in Wales? How high in Norfolk?
No reflections off the water?
Or the stuff of memories?

Subject: RE: BS: very dark
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 03 Nov 17 - 11:38 AM

I'd guess that our last house in Wales was somewhere in the region of 400ft. I had a spell in Llandudo after that where I can't have been that far off sea level but can't remember if I felt there was a difference in the rate the light faded there. Norfolk as you say is pretty flat.

Subject: RE: BS: very dark
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Nov 17 - 11:47 AM

Some people... those that are retired or living in very rural areas... do not really need DST. They can keep on at any time they like..... they just ought to keep one clock somewhere to remind them of what is going on elsewhere for when they have an appointment....etc.

And of course, all the smart electronics do it automatically now. Even my 'dumb' phone changes at 2:00 AM Sunday.

... and those rangers ought to have some paper mache stones for impressing the tourists..... maybe they do... ;>)

Subject: RE: BS: very dark
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 04 Nov 17 - 07:22 AM

its odd to think that hedgehogs don't know what time it is.

Subject: RE: BS: very dark
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Nov 17 - 07:31 AM

Well we're retired and we live in a remote rural locale, Bill, but in order to not need (in our case) GMT we'd need to live like hermits!

Subject: RE: BS: very dark
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 04 Nov 17 - 10:17 PM

The thing is, I was coming back from a gig bout 12.15 at night and I went past this traffic island and standing at the side of the road were three wild deer. I thought - well, they'll be safe enough this time of night. not much traffic about now.

however since then we've put the clocks back and there's no way of telling the deer, that now its busier than last week.

Subject: RE: BS: very dark
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Nov 17 - 06:52 AM

I'm afraid deer are seen as a scourge round here.

Subject: RE: BS: very dark
From: Gutcher
Date: 05 Nov 17 - 07:24 AM

Steve---they tried not changing the clocks back in the 1960s.
Dark up here to 10 in the morning then, resulting in more accidents to school-children.
Seems we are all more awake at 4pm rather than 9am.

Subject: RE: BS: very dark
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 Nov 17 - 08:02 AM

i think deer are angelic and beautiful.

its a special day when i see one.

Subject: RE: BS: very dark
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Nov 17 - 09:14 AM

ROSPA doesn't agree with you, Gutcher. Go on their website and have a look at the British Summertime fact sheet (it won't let me copy and paste). Darker mornings and lighter evenings would result in a slight increase in morning accidents but a significant decrease in evening accidents.

Subject: RE: BS: very dark
From: Gutcher
Date: 05 Nov 17 - 01:18 PM

Steve--Those were the factual findings at that time, not some hypothetical paper exercise,---remembering of course that I am speaking of Scotland which would be dark for at least one hour longer in the morning than London.
If I remember rightly the exercise was carried out over a three year period, I may have the time period wrong but certainly not the outcome.

Subject: RE: BS: very dark
From: Charmion
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 09:58 AM

Here in southwestern Ontario, the change to Standard time means I can turn off the porch lights before breakfast again, but they must go on again before supper. Stratford is stingy with streetlighting, so the porch lights make the difference between finding and not finding the keyhole when one returns from choir practice at 2130 hr.

When I was still employed by the gummint, in winter I went to work in the dark and came home in the dark, and saw daylight on workdays only through the office window.

Unfortunately, abolishing Daylight Savings wouldn't solve that problem.

Subject: RE: BS: very dark
From: keberoxu
Date: 07 Nov 17 - 04:50 PM

It is, indeed, very dark out.
And not quite five in the evening, either.

Subject: RE: BS: very dark
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Nov 17 - 05:27 PM

We have a red alert for an aurora tonight. That's as rare as hens' teeth in Cornwall. It's a beautiful night, 10.30 pm as I type this. I'm living in hope.

Subject: RE: BS: very dark
From: keberoxu
Date: 07 Nov 17 - 05:45 PM

The "heavenly dancers" as they say to the North?

Lucky you. Enjoy.

Subject: RE: BS: very dark
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Nov 17 - 05:57 PM

It's been seen in Scotland and northern England but I live at 50 degrees south. My hopes are fading, though the evening is beautiful with moonlight illuminating scattered fast-moving cumulus clouds. I'll just go and take another look...

Subject: RE: BS: very dark
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Nov 17 - 06:48 PM

50 degrees north. Continental drift ain't that fast!