BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska

Subject: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: olddude
Date: 14 Aug 18 - 05:29 PM

Oh yes

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: Joe_F
Date: 14 Aug 18 - 06:15 PM

ObMudcat

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: michaelr
Date: 14 Aug 18 - 07:03 PM

What's a moose permit?

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: vectis
Date: 14 Aug 18 - 08:25 PM

Why? Are you going to eat it?

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Aug 18 - 08:37 PM

Jayz, it takes some doing to rhyme Mateus with moose...

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Aug 18 - 09:11 PM

That is bureaucracy gone mad if you need a permit to keep a pet moose in your house...

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Aug 18 - 10:22 PM

Is this just a learner's permit for driving a moose? How much instruction do you have to have to get a solo license, Dan? Do you get tested on moose calling? It sounds harder than flying a plane....especially if it's during rutting season...

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Aug 18 - 10:49 PM

Congratulations!

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Aug 18 - 10:55 PM

You can go up there and play in the Arctic Open!

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 03:07 AM

"What's a moose permit?"
It's a permit allowing a Glaswegian who hasn't got room for a dog or cat to keep a smaller pet
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: Senoufou
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 03:44 AM

As long as it disnae get loose aroond the hoose Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 03:44 AM

How about you stay at home and let the moose get on with its life in peace as nature intended.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: Senoufou
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 03:51 AM

Oh Doug, I'm SO glad you posted that! I've been tempted for ages to object to slaughtering innocent wild animals for sport, but thought I might be the only one on here.
I can't imagine pointing a gun at a lovely moose and killing it just for fun.
And what if it isn't a clean kill and the animal suffers?
I can't understand the mindset of a person who would do that.

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: Raggytash
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 06:02 AM

No you're not alone Senoufou. I understand we have to eat but this type of "sport" is abhorrent.

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: Jack Campin
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 06:13 AM

The surprising thing is that you even NEED a permit in a country where slaughtering wildlife with firearms is the national religion. And in Alaska, given their determination to make total war against nature, you'd expect killing all the creatures you can would be compulsory.

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 06:23 AM

Dan is one of the good guys and I suspect that this is not just about killing animals for him. Before anyone takes exception to shooting wildlife we need to check how and why it is being shot. If it is for food, fine, better than breeding animals in captivity only to be sent to the slaughter house. If it shooting because the animals are now so profuse they are causing themselves damage, then a cull is a short term answer but it would be better to re-balance predators and prey. (Look up wolves in Yellowstone). If it is just for fun, then, yea, maybe the shooters need re-educating. To put it nicely :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: Senoufou
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 06:55 AM

That's very true of course Dave. I live in a farming area, and culling deer (who are becoming a nuisance due to lack of natural predators) who kill saplings, foxes who attack poultry and young lambs, rats who carry disease and so on is quite acceptable round here.

I also like eating meat.

But I know that I could never hide or track, lift a gun and end the life of some beautiful creature such as a moose just for the pleasure of watching it fall.

I was incandescent when some clown (sorry, but I think he may have been an American) felled that lovely lion with a black mane in Africa not so long ago. Trophy hunting.

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 07:06 AM

I WONDER HOW CECIL TASTED?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: Senoufou
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 07:27 AM

Ugh Jim, that photo makes me rage inside. Ignorant smug bastard.
Standing there grinning, holding the corpse of a noble creature that was admired by many.
I'd forgotten the lion was known as Cecil.

Whatever goes on in the minds of these 'hunters'? Have they no empathy, imagination or compassion?
I'm sitting here fuming now...

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: wysiwyg
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 07:38 AM

It's probably a service moose.

:-|

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 08:21 AM

Senoufou, you forgot 'fat'.

'Hunting' for food I understand and can accept. In some respects, I find it more acceptable than 'growing' animals and then subjecting them to the horrors of the abattoir when they have barely reached adulthood.

Trophy, or 'sport' 'hunting', however, is amongst the foulest, most base of human activities, along with bull-'fighting'. Somebody should 'hunt' those bastards and mount their heads on the wall.

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: Senoufou
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 08:35 AM

Oh Lord, don't mention bull-fighting!

As a very young student I got a cheap flight to Malaga during the summer vacation. Being rather naive I went to see a bull-fight.
I was absolutely traumatised and tottered out of the place after the first bull was slaughtered.
I've never ever forgotten the horror of it. I was all alone and I sobbed for hours. Wicked, sadistic, evil people...

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: Jack Campin
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 09:46 AM

The creepiest folk accommodation I've had was at a folk camp near Lake Balaton i Hungary, in a B&B whose owner was the leader of the local hunting club. There were literally hundreds of animal heads on the walls, mostly small deer but many other species. There must have been more than 100 heads of one kind of tiny deer alone. And photos of the guy posing with dead animals, certificates congratulating him on what he'd killed, the whole works. The place was a monument to macho brutality.

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: olddude
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 10:33 AM

Every once gets eaten there is nothing better than moose meat. It will fill my freezer and a bunch of others

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 10:38 AM

I thought as much, Dan. Good man.

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: olddude
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 10:39 AM

Hey jack why don’t you rave at how domestic animals are slaughtered or do you think you’re meat is just little packages in a store. Everyone should have to see how it’s done start to finish. In hunting you get to understand that it gave it’s life for you and have the respect the animal deserves

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: olddude
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 10:45 AM

And fish are living creatures also i get mine with a rod how many sea otters and dolphins die getting yours from fishing boats with five miles of nets when you go to the store

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: olddude
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 10:46 AM

And no animal is a trophy to me or anyone I know it’s called food that wasn’t raised in cruel factories for slaughter

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: olddude
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 10:52 AM

And the biologists set size and number limits. The license cost 1000 US dollars that goes directly to conservation. Do you do that for your meat

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 10:54 AM

It's too easy for suburban meat eaters to be hypocrites.
But most of us draw the line at appalling trophy hunting...

I grew up in a working class semi rural community where pond and river fishing
was a key aspect of male culture.
We were banned from removing and eating any catch apart from eels
[cant remember if even that was really legal...???]
.. and we were brought up to try our best not to injure the fish,
[yeah.. apart from the hook in the mouth.. I know... I stopped fishing over 40 years ago...]
returning them alive to the water to grow and thrive...

my uncle hunted with dogs, ferrets, and shotgun for rabbits and fowl for the table...

This is surely fair enough and reasonable for the UK.

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: olddude
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 11:11 AM

Nothing bothers me more than head hunters. It makes me sick. Hunting is for food and it’s appalling how some make it a trophy. The animal deserves respect and thanks for giving its life. That’s hunting as I grew up putting meat on the table

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 11:57 AM

Oldude - most of us here knew all that stuff about you. You're a good guy.
How do I send you my order? ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 12:00 PM

My mrs is very fond of Chocolate Mousse Balls...

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: Jos
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 12:39 PM

"In hunting you get to understand that it gave it’s life for you"
"The animal deserves respect and thanks for giving its life"

This sounds as if the animal CHOSE to be shot and eaten. It's a rather different understanding of 'gave' and 'given' from the meaning I am used to.
I acknowledge that I eat meat and that in order for me to do that, an animal must die first, and I would rather it had a good enough life until then. I also realise that in most cases the animal would not have had any life as it would not have been born at all without the intention that it would eventually be eaten. But I don't pretend that it died willingly. It's life was taken from it without its permission.

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 12:47 PM

Why make a meal of mere words..

It's to be respected that responsible humane hunters value and honour the life of the animals they kill and eat...

Why get petty and pedantic about the words they use to try to explain their principles and feelings...

Not everyone is a superior articulate literary academic writer...


[I intentionally left off the ???s - I wasn't asking any questions...]

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: olddude
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 12:57 PM

Backwoods I will get you some along with the 50 pounds of salmon filets i have from my fishing trip. I had neighbors knocking on the door. My mail man said i could have my mail if he could have one of the salmon filets.

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: olddude
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 12:57 PM

He held my mail as ransom lol

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 01:01 PM

I think too many folks feel too compelled to be too clever than necessary...

Such time should be used more effectively on a more practical level,
like haranguing cruel and wasteful hunters...

On the presumption that most living beings would not volunteer to be killed and eaten,
the line of philosophising about 'choice' seems quite pointless...

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 01:13 PM

Thanks 'dude, but England's a long way and it would likely go 'off' in shipment! I appreciate your kindness and good humour (or do I mean 'humour') though! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 01:21 PM

When you die you will be eaten by your own intestinal fauna. You don't choose this. A hawk takes a rabbet and eats it. Vultures eat carrion, as do coyotes, bears, and wolves...and you. The death and butchering is divorced from you (unless you are quite unusual). But did you have eggs for breakfast? -- you ate an unborn chicken, you brutal savage!!

Don't condemn another until you know the facts. Not the propaganda, the FACTS. About the case.

(And you'll be surprised what you can do if you or those you love are really hungry or in danger.)

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: olddude
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 01:30 PM

My kudos to people who are vegans. I couldn’t do it as I am a meat eater. When one has to take an animal, gut it butcher it you know where meat comes from. It is not fun and you realize where and what was involved with those steaks on the grill or the pot roast. Killing an animal is never pleasant but I eat meat and a moose is all meat with no drugs in it no growth hormones and lived free and not in a cage

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 02:00 PM

While we are edging into this more complex issue...

I get irritated by the hypocrisy of meat eaters who condemn the consumption of dog and cat meat..
and any other designated cute cuddly pet animals...

It does not appeal to me because I am also very sentimental about dogs,
but I'm not going to get all priggish about those cultures who do...

Also, there is probably a practical health reason why mankind mostly abstains
from eating predatory carnivorous animals...???

I'd accept that over them being too cute to eat...

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: Jos
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 02:57 PM

I didn't intend any personal attack, and I certainly wasn't trying to be clever. My criticism was of the way language is used in general - I must try to control my habit of taking things literally.
If anything, I feel more guilty about eating a living plant than about eating a dead animal, and yes, I have skinned and gutted rabbits, though I haven't killed one. In fact, an unfertilised egg from a free range hen is something I can eat without any feelings of guilt. It is not an unborn chicken.

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 03:04 PM

Jos - sorry if I came over a bit belligerent - it's taking me longer to wake up out of a tired grumpy mood today...

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 03:12 PM

"My kudos to people who are vegans. I couldn’t do it as I am a meat eater. When one has to take an animal, gut it butcher it you know where meat comes from. It is not fun and you realize where and what was involved with those steaks on the grill or the pot roast. Killing an animal is never pleasant but I eat meat and a moose is all meat with no drugs in it no growth hormones and lived free and not in a cage"

Nice post, Dan.

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: Jos
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 03:16 PM

That's OK. (I only started reading this thread because I didn't know what a 'nome' was. Now I've googled it and found that it is a place called 'Nome'.)

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 03:48 PM

I've just googled and found the major health reasons why we tend not to eat carnivores...

Good luck to the cultures who do eat dog without needless guilt and sentimentality,
but apparently dog meat, apart from all other potential risks, is rich in purines and can inflame gout...!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: ranger1
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 05:07 PM

Oh, yum, Dan! I love a good moose steak. Moose roast is also delicious.

I am fortunate enough to live in a place where I can buy my meat already slaughtered and pre-packaged. If push came to shove, I would have a much easier time hunting an animal that saw me as a predator than I would raising and slaughtering animals for food.

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: olddude
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 06:44 PM

Ranger they are wonderful. I don’t think I ever had better steaks. Amazing. One Alaska friend gave me some moose bacon I never heard of it but it was wonderful

Subject: RE: BS: Yay I got a moose permit for nome Alaska
From: Jack Campin
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 06:51 PM

Some facts about animal exploitation, including hunting. This seems to leave out some of what goes on in the UK and which is paralleled elsewhere: a figure in the news this week is that Scotland has 1% of the mountain hares it did 50 years ago, exterminated by big landowners to boost the population of birds they can charge people to kill.

http://www.animalmatters.org/facts/wildlife/

Nobody needs to eat the species being hunted to extinction by American gun fetishists. They're not being hunted for food, the killers are some of the richest people in the world and they're doing it to satisfy their twisted lusts. Get your jollies by killing your fellow Americans if that's what turns you on - all life on the planet will thank you.