BS: The ladies in charge

Subject: BS: The ladies in charge
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jan 19 - 01:54 PM

The CEO's of America's giant Defense contractors are:
Kathy Warden / Northrup Grumman
Marilyn Hewson / Lockheed Martin
Phebe Novakovic / General Dynamics
Leanne Caret / Space Security Boeing
Andrea Thompson / Arms Control Intl Security
Lisa Haggerty / Energy Nuclear Security*

They are in charge of how we blow up the Earth.


We may as well elect a woman POTUS to be in charge of IF we should.



*Rick Perry is not up to any of the requirments of the Energy Dept so Lisa Haggerty is the one really in charge but Rick calls her his under secretary wink wink

Welcome to the new military industrial complex

Subject: RE: BS: The ladies in charge
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Jan 19 - 02:03 PM

I blame the Spice Girls...

Subject: RE: BS: The ladies in charge - LIC
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jan 19 - 02:15 PM

The LIC are all very attractive women.
But then again I have a male lizard brain when it comes to looks.

Subject: RE: BS: The ladies in charge
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Jan 19 - 02:44 PM

Adjacent to your list

Gina Haspel - CIA
Nancy Pelosi - Speaker of the House
Mary Barra - GM

Subject: RE: BS: The ladies in charge
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Jan 19 - 03:28 PM

Just don't mention Theresa May...

Subject: RE: BS: The ladies in charge
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Jan 19 - 03:37 PM

Donuel, there's something just a little bit creepy about your posting a list like this. It seems to open the door for targeting these women for harassment.
Would you publish a similar list of men whose politics you oppose?
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: The ladies in charge
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jan 19 - 03:40 PM

Theres a May Angela Merkle, that follows April.

Subject: RE: BS: The ladies in charge
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jan 19 - 03:46 PM

Joe the thought never crossed my mind but it crossed yours, not that there is anything wrong with that..wait...There is something wrong with that kind of oppositional thinking.

But you are right , there is a whole lot creepy about my recent posts.

Subject: RE: BS: The ladies in charge
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 Jan 19 - 03:48 PM

I'd suggest anyone, regardless of gender, who is so high up in control of the arms industry
is potentially targetting all of the rest of us for 'harassment'...???

I was in my youth, and perhaps still am, an ideological 'male feminist'..
but such a list as Donnie's reinforces how much conservative elite feminism
is far from being 'positive'...

No upper middle class academic, or CEO executive, feminists
ever lifted a finger to improve the lot of my old mum
when she was wiping old folk's arses
for hard grafting long hours on a less than minimum wage...

Subject: RE: BS: The ladies in charge
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Jan 19 - 03:49 PM

Women in charge should be a good sign, Joe. Getting to this level they've already endured a lot of creepy harassment. No doubt about it.

Subject: RE: BS: The ladies in charge
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jan 19 - 03:55 PM

I am checking out a new memory enhancement drug called 'Fagetaboutit'.
It was invented by a woman for male performance
;^/

Subject: RE: BS: The ladies in charge
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jan 19 - 04:01 PM

I am willing to trust the mental wiring differences and not pre judge.
Performance is what earns advancement, not Armageddon.

May the pendulum continue to swing.

Subject: RE: BS: The ladies in charge
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Jan 19 - 08:52 PM

Shall there be womanly times? Or shall we die?

Subject: RE: BS: The ladies in charge
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jan 19 - 09:14 PM

Our next President will not allow people to call her madam.
Our next President will not be America's nurse.
She will not only be America's corruption cop.
She will be our mom and Commander and Chief who earns respect and love in legacy alone and fight the good fight nobody can deny.

Even if she is not all these things and more, America will imagine her into reality out of thin necessity and a powerful democracy.

Subject: RE: BS: The ladies in charge
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jan 19 - 09:50 PM

It is time for gender pronouns to fade from view in America's consciousness. As I have said repeatedly, gender pronouns do not even exist in the Chinese language. A persuasive leader can change the language of a nation and by doing so change the way we think, love or hate. We have all recently seen it work in the negative.

The comet is coming and misogynist male dinosaurs are facing extinction.

Subject: RE: BS: The ladies in charge
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Jan 19 - 10:08 PM

Very convenient. Male gender pronouns have enjoyed hegemony for thousands of years. For a few decades women have made progress, nowhere near enough, in terms of equal rights, etc. But now you want to do away with their pronouns. Examine your conscience, Donuel.

Subject: RE: BS: The ladies in charge
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Jan 19 - 10:29 PM

SRS says: Women in charge should be a good sign, Joe. Getting to this level they've already endured a lot of creepy harassment. No doubt about it.

SRS, with all due respect, I have a very brief response: Betsy DeVos. The women conservatives choose, are most likely to be ideological purists. They are never, ever moderates. I wonder why.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: The ladies in charge
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Jan 19 - 12:05 AM

All women aren't alike, and there are assholes in the bunch. But in general, there need to be more women at the top.

Subject: RE: BS: The ladies in charge
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jan 19 - 09:06 AM

Because it is a new year I did reexamine your statement Steve. I did consult with my conscience. I did not rely on established stereotypes of your previous behavior. As a result of looking with fresh eyes I have found that your old school supremist, might makes right attitude is intellectually immoral yet reasonably selective regarding women. With a chauvinist foundation you more or less choose to not understand my POV.

The gift of other ways of thinking and new paradigms for us is not taking something away. It is a culture changing gift. Ideas millennia old that are tried and true may still be new to some of us.

Consider the contrast between us. Compare what I am saying anthropologically, linguistically and psychologically that has developed over a million years and your comment about a couple decades.

I say a society that wastes half of its species to prejudice is a failing society. Its time we try something new to us. I don't want to see you agreeing with Trump regarding the status of women Steve, its unbecoming.

Subject: RE: BS: The ladies in charge
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jan 19 - 10:16 AM

Don't be so silly.

Subject: RE: BS: The ladies in charge
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Jan 19 - 12:10 PM

Misogyny is still front and center in American politics as we saw with Hillary and now Elizabeth Warren.

The media have focused on her comparatively low approval ratings—but not the misogyny that drives them.

Read enough news reports about Elizabeth Warren’s declaration that she is running for president, and you notice certain common features. In its story on her announcement, The New York Times noted that Warren has “become a favorite target of conservatives” and that, in a recent national poll, “only about 30 percent [of respondents] viewed her favorably, with 37 percent holding an unfavorable view.” The Washington Post observed that Warren’s claim “that she was Native American” has “come under relentless attack from Republican opponents.” It also quoted a Boston Globe editorial that called Warren “a divisive figure.” On CNN, the election analyst Harry Enten suggested that Warren’s “very liberal record, combined with the fact that Donald Trump has already gone after her” has made her a—you guessed it—“divisive figure” whose “favorable ratings are not that high.”

These observations are factually correct. But they also help create a false narrative. Mentioning the right’s attacks on Warren plus her low approval ratings while citing her “very liberal record” and the controversy surrounding her alleged Native American heritage implies a causal relationship between these facts. Warren is a lefty who has made controversial ancestral claims. Ergo, Republicans attack her, and many Americans don’t like her very much.

But that equation is misleading. The better explanation for why Warren attracts disproportionate conservative criticism, and has disproportionately high disapproval ratings, has nothing to do with her progressive economic views or her dalliance with DNA testing. It’s that she’s a woman. [emphasis mine]

Read the rest at the link.

Subject: RE: BS: The ladies in charge
From: Senoufou
Date: 04 Jan 19 - 12:25 PM

Steve Shaw: '...but now you want to do away with their pronouns.'

I think this comment is the best thing I've read for a long time. Bravo Steve.

There are all sorts of women (as SRS says) and we've struggled for decades to gain some equality and recognition from men as fellow-humans worthy of the same respect. It isn't finished yet by any means.

Women should be able to lead/contribute on an equal footing with men.
Any post available should be filled by the best candidate regardless of sex.
Women in positions of responsibility/power should not have their sex chucked at them when folk disagree with their policies.

Sometimes, instead of feeling very pleased that the world has changed and moved forward, certain remarks and comments make me despair that we'll ever reach the Promised Land of fairness and equality. There's always the odd dinosaur who is still living in Victorian times!

Subject: RE: BS: The ladies in charge
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jan 19 - 12:47 PM

Cheers, Senoufou. Let's hang on to those pronouns and use them proudly and unapologetically.

Brilliant post, SRS.

Subject: RE: BS: The ladies in charge
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jan 19 - 01:21 PM

Fairness and equality IS the goal. The map to get there is what I am speaking about. Until you speak and think in a language that does not segregate and separate male from female you may not notice the subtle and powerful differences and equalities it can have on our thinking and feeling. All you can do is imagine what differences it can make if you are able. This is my hypothesis. The actual Chinese culture is still deeply infected with male dominance ideas. The one child policy has become a further anathema to females in China. While the problem of over population was paramount the unintended consequences of female only abortion was tragic. But that is a problem for another day.

We are all fish swimming in our own language. In Germany the moon is a man, in France La Luna is a woman and in English it is neither. You take your language at face value and don't think how it affects your feelings. But what if you did? I believe a language that promotes fairness and equality would have deep psychological advantages.

Enough of this, I have already overstated an arcane psych linguistic idea no one seems to understand. At least you seem to understand SRS, which I encourage all to do.


Steve, I'm not silly except in my satire, and you have more traces of gender bias than a warm blooded dinosaur, in relative terms.

Subject: RE: BS: The ladies in charge
From: Mossback
Date: 04 Jan 19 - 05:40 PM

There's no reason whatsoever that those of the female persuasion can't be just as complete assholes as those of the male persuasion.

Now there's gender equality.

Deal with it,

Subject: RE: BS: The ladies in charge
From: Jack Campin
Date: 04 Jan 19 - 05:59 PM

I have just seen the movie "The Favourite", about sex and political intrigue at the court of Queen Anne. A lot of it was dead accurate, and if they maybe played up the extent to which a cabal of women could dictate the affairs of state, they were also right to make it clear that they weren't doing it out of any altruistic motives.

Subject: RE: BS: The ladies in charge
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Jan 19 - 09:51 PM

These names and jobs aren't secret. The fact that someone is CEO of something is public knowledge. Giving away their home address, on the other hand, goes beyond irresponsible. Give me a decent library and I'll have all sorts of knowledge on any of them, but then I'm trained to do that sort of thing.

Subject: RE: BS: The ladies in charge
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jan 19 - 09:58 PM

Competence and equality are two different issues. The case for a woman to break through to the US presidency is still undecided. In this relative world Obama broke the race barrier when compared to the embarrassing Bush. An intelligent wise woman when compared to a terrible ignorant man should be enough. Speaking on behalf of a largely ignorant population is a shaky thing to do. Betting on ignorance is usually easy money.

The case for a woman US president.

exhibit 1 The women's march was, ahem, huge.



PS Today I removed/stole all female pronouns and there is nothing they can do about it. ":^/

Subject: RE: BS: The ladies in charge
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Jan 19 - 04:29 AM

Somewhat artificial to divide our 'great and good' into genders, or even individuals - 'bout time we were able to choose them on their policies and reliability
Women certainly need to be given a level playing field in politics, but that is not going to guarantee that they are going to be any better
Plenty of examples to bear that out - has everyone forgotten Mad Maggie - the nearest Britain ever came to an truely Ultra - leader
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The ladies in charge
From: Jack Campin
Date: 05 Jan 19 - 06:01 AM

There was a pamphlet called "Written in Flames" which gave the home addresses of as many of the UK business elite as they could track down. It was easier to do when that was produced.

I thoroughly approve. None of those people deserve to be in the positions they have and a great many of them deserve everything they get. If you run a company whose profits depend on mass murder you have no right to avoid the consequences.

Subject: RE: BS: The ladies in charge
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jan 19 - 07:38 AM

Jack I think it is possible that defense contractors know all too well that CEO positions are vulnerable to dangerous blowback and wish to distance themselves with puppets to do their bidding.

Some days it sounds like even our President is a puppet of Putin.
But anything is possible.

Subject: RE: BS: The ladies in charge
From: keberoxu
Date: 07 Jan 19 - 08:52 PM

The ladies in charge are catching flack for cursing in public.
I, for one, can hardly blame them.