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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Steve Shaw Date: 31 Aug 22 - 08:02 PM That might well be an interesting diversion, Maggie, but, ironically, it's off-topic. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Stilly River Sage Date: 29 Aug 22 - 08:58 PM Taking the thread off topic isn't helpful, so a whole bunch of bickering and unrelated ("whataboutism") stuff is gone. Official Site of the US Open Find something on topic at the US Open website. Did I ever mention to some of you that I had to work at the US Open for a couple of days, way back when? I was an Urban Park Ranger and the tennis center is at Flushing Meadows Park in Queens, NY. A city park and working the tennis open was a "detail," meaning we all had to take turns working there. It was actually an unpleasant place to work - hot and noisy with all of the planes taking off overhead from nearby La Guardia. If you got into the stadium itself you could hear a pin drop—no conversation, and don't dare sneeze at a critical moment. Lots of really rich entitled white folks attending back then - I hope the audience has changed it's complexion if not it's rich habits. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Steve Shaw Date: 28 Aug 22 - 06:13 PM He's banned just the same as anyone else is banned, from the dustbinman to the mighty prince. Get the jab and he's unbanned. Not banned for life unless the US keeps its rule in place for the next fifty or sixty years, which it won't. Stop talking daft, Dick. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: The Sandman Date: 28 Aug 22 - 05:25 PM try a little tolerance , you lot are really intolerant i do not agree with djokovic position , i have been vaccinated, but keeping this ban going when many states are lifting restrictions is just making the us open a less competitive tournament . is he going to be banned for life? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Stilly River Sage Date: 28 Aug 22 - 03:45 PM My remark was aimed at that same party, Steve. He's into the apples and oranges big time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Steve Shaw Date: 28 Aug 22 - 03:26 PM We are simply trying to put a misguided person right, Maggie. I think we are saying that the character of a person is far more important than their religious or other convictions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Stilly River Sage Date: 28 Aug 22 - 02:44 PM So is this a round of tu quoque? If Djokovic won't get the vaccine then you'll complain about a current player because of her religion? As if they're comparable issues? Her religion didn't get her banned from the game. It is irrelevant. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Backwoodsman Date: 28 Aug 22 - 01:54 PM When I was first married, back in the early ‘70s, our neighbours were JWs, and they were a very nice couple indeed - they never attempted to get us in conversation about their religion, never tried to give us copies of ‘Watchtower’, were always very friendly and considerate, and in fact were perfect neighbours, probably the best we ever had. The husband (I forget both their names, fifty years on!) was a joiner for the local council, and he turned up at our door one day with a beautiful kennel on legs which he’d made for our cats to take shelter in when we were out - no charge, and he refused the money I offered him. I very much dislike the JW organisation, and I disagree with their beliefs and principles, but I have no particular bone to pick with them as individuals. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Steve Shaw Date: 28 Aug 22 - 12:43 PM Well lessee. Dick doesn't like Jehovah's Witnesses (I don't care for their beliefs, but the one JW who calls at my house every few months is a very nice man with whom I have pleasant chats - he knows he can't convert me - and I take and read his pamphlets and I give him some apples in the autumn). I also don't care for the beliefs of people who mutilate the penises of little boys or who force women to cover themselves up, or who try to forbid the ordination of women, sex education and contraception. I know many such people and get along with most of them to a large degree. Why, I've even been known to talk to Manchester United fans. Generally speaking, they operate within the laws of where they live, whether or not I like those laws. The law sez Novak can play tennis in the US as long as he has a vacccination that billions have had, almost without adverse consequence beyond an achey arm for a day or two. He doesn't want to comply. Too bad. A tiny prick in the shoulder that after half an hour he'd think nothing more of. Maybe he doesn't actually WANT to play in the Open... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Backwoodsman Date: 28 Aug 22 - 11:55 AM I think you’re correct, Nigel. And whilst they do not accept transfusions of whole blood, many JWs do accept the transfusion of derivatives of blood components. The issue of JWs and transfusion is far from being the simple matter some people appear to think it is… https://www.transfusionguidelines.org/transfusion-handbook/12-management-of-patients-who-do-not-accept-transfusion/12-2-jehovah-s-witnesses-and-blood-transfusion |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Nigel Parsons Date: 28 Aug 22 - 11:04 AM williams is a jehovahs witness,a religion who have principles about not giving blood As I understand it (and I cannot find anything to the contrary), Jehovah's Witnesses do not have a principle about "not giving blood". Their religion prevents them receiving a blood transfusion, but does not prevent donation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Stilly River Sage Date: 28 Aug 22 - 09:50 AM "In your opinion" but that doesn't matter a jot here to the CDC and others. COVID is still here, still making people sick for weeks at a time. Every time I hear about another case in someone close I realized I dodged another bullet. Djokovic knows the rules. He follows them when he plays the game of tennis; if he wants to play tennis here there is one more rule to follow. That's as clear as we can make it. I'm sorry this makes you unhappy Dick. Perhaps there is a different tennis match in Europe you can watch instead. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: The Sandman Date: 28 Aug 22 - 07:52 AM Rafael Nadal described Novak Djokovic's absence from the US Open as "very sad news", while world No 1 Daniil Medvedev said he wished the Serbian "would play here". quote sky sports |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: The Sandman Date: 28 Aug 22 - 07:44 AM the disease is now considerably lessened in its effects on most people, in my opinion since most american states have relaxed their rules this is now unnecessary. he is a very good tennis player and his exclusion makes the tournasment less competitive , whether people think he is a twat is irrelevant ,i think jehovahs witnesses are twats, being a twat is neither here nor there, whats all this crap about obeying rules. he realises that and has wished other players all the best,you are being very negative he does not need the money but the tennis competition would be better sport with him, he is arguably one of the best players in the world and is a better player than Williams. and i agree with walkabout, his comment did not warrant deletion |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Backwoodsman Date: 28 Aug 22 - 04:43 AM Jehovah’s Wotnesses are not excluded from eligibility. Selfish, arrogant twats who refuse to obey the rules of the competition are. END. OF. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Manitas_at_home Date: 28 Aug 22 - 04:07 AM Her principles won't give anyone a nasty disease. There's still the principle of playing by the rules- if you don't want to play by the rules then play somewhere else. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: The Sandman Date: 28 Aug 22 - 02:10 AM greatness is normally defined by titles won , serena williams is well down the list ,compared to king navratilova and others. next, the standard of womens tennis is not as high as mens tennis williams is therefore not as good / great as a tennis player as federer nadal djokovic. williams is a jehovahs witness ,a religion who have principles about not giving blood , does anyone on this forum criticise her for her principles? yet the same tolerance is not shown to djokovic |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Stilly River Sage Date: 27 Aug 22 - 05:57 PM Now here is an important tennis story. It might just save lives. For the six months after her surgery, Evert underwent chemotherapy, with the nausea and “cruddy” feeling, as she described it, forcing her away from her beloved tennis courts — but only for five days at a time. Then, she was back to work, traveling with the United States Tennis Association Foundation, and on the court, lending her expertise to kids for three more weeks until she went back for her next treatment, and the cycle resumed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: gillymor Date: 27 Aug 22 - 04:50 PM All great but I'd put Steffi Graf well ahead of those 3 and maybe right up there with Serena. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: The Sandman Date: 27 Aug 22 - 04:46 PM the greatest, come off it, have you forgotten, bille jean king or martina navratilova margaret court |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: gillymor Date: 27 Aug 22 - 04:16 PM Incidences of bullying, an inability to lose gracefully and her general poor sportsmanship are what I'll remember most about her career. She's probably the greatest women's singles player of all time but I found her power baseline style of play uninteresting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: The Sandman Date: 27 Aug 22 - 03:28 PM Maggie, i care , i enjoy watching him play. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Stilly River Sage Date: 27 Aug 22 - 11:13 AM Djokovic is a non-story anyway. This Open is all about Serena and her retirement later in the year. No one cares if an entitled European player can't get here because he doesn't follow the rules. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Nigel Parsons Date: 27 Aug 22 - 07:55 AM World Science Fiction convention coming up this week in Chicago. The hotel/conference centre does not insist on masks, but the convention does because there will be 'at risk' attendees, and it is the responsibility of all to protect each other. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Steve Shaw Date: 27 Aug 22 - 07:45 AM And countries are entitled to make their rules. There are lots of rules/laws I don't agree with, but that is not a reason for me to expect to be able to break them with impunity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 27 Aug 22 - 05:19 AM ...a big ask, BW, but I played A-grade juniors (for Bill Gilmour's - the same tennis school as Tod Woodbridge) with a club-foot; and Kiwi Onny Parun wore a string around his neck and would bite it in his mouth while he served to protect a bad neck. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Backwoodsman Date: 27 Aug 22 - 04:45 AM I don’t understand how he’s capable of playing tennis with his head so far up his own arse-hole. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Steve Shaw Date: 27 Aug 22 - 04:24 AM He's preventing himself from playing. And what has been achieved is a strengthening of the principle that everyone should get treated the same as everyone else, that no-one is above the rules. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: The Sandman Date: 27 Aug 22 - 04:12 AM what does it achieve by preventing him from playing? It is generally considered that the virus has weakened in its severity. he is being made an example o because the american government do not want a tennis star influencing people to not take a vaccination. yet have they not relaxed the rules on mask wearing, this would indicate that the usa government, either believe in herd immunity or the virus is weakening in its severity below are examples. California California allowed its universal indoor mask mandate to expire on Feb. 15 and stopped requiring masks in schools on March 11. The state also lifted its remaining indoor mask mandate for unvaccinated people in public settings on March 1. Connecticut A mask edict covering students and staff in the state’s schools was lifted Feb. 28. School districts can still opt to keep their mandates in place. Delaware The state’s masking rule for businesses and workplaces expired on Feb. 11. The one for schools expired on March 1. Hawaii An indoor mask mandate, the final statewide masking rule in place, ended on March 25. Illinois The state’s mask requirement for schools ended on Feb. 28. A statewide indoor mask indoor mask mandate was lifted on the same day. Maryland Maryland’s mask mandate for state office buildings ended on Feb. 22. A Maryland legislative committee approved the state board of education’s decision to allow all 24 local school districts to decide whether to require face coverings in schools on Feb. 25. The decision, effective immediately, ended an emergency order mandating mask-wearing in schools. Massachusetts The statewide school mask mandate expired on Feb. 28. Nevada The state lifted its statewide mask mandate on Feb. 10. New Jersey New Jersey stopped requiring students and school employees to wear masks on March 7. New Mexico The state lifted its indoor mask mandate, including for schools, on Feb. 17. New York New York’s stringent mask-or-vaccine mandate, which required businesses to demand proof of full vaccination or mask-wearing at all times in indoor public spaces, expired on Feb. 10, while the state’s school mask mandate ended on March 2. As of March 7, students in New York City no longer have to wear masks indoors at public schools. Oregon Oregon lifted its mask mandate for indoor public spaces, including schools, on March 12. Pennsylvania A mask requirement for K-12 students ended on Jan. 17. Puerto Rico Pedro R. Pierluisi, the governor of Puerto Rico, announced that starting on March 10, masks would no longer be required in most outdoor or indoor venues, including schools. Rhode Island An indoor mask mandate ended on Feb. 11. Virginia A new law enacted on Feb. 16 effectively barred mask mandates in schools, by giving parents the right to exempt their children from mask-wearing without stating a reason beginning March 1. An executive order to the same effect, issued by the governor in January, was blocked in the courts. Washington A statewide mask requirement for various indoor settings, including schools, was lifted on March 12. The state’s outdoor mask mandate expired on Feb. 18. Washington, D.C. The city’s indoor mask mandate ended on March 1. sorce new york times |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: gillymor Date: 27 Aug 22 - 03:54 AM At least this time he didn't try to weasel his way into the country and the tournament as he did at the Aussie. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Stilly River Sage Date: 26 Aug 22 - 09:15 PM The staff member I work with each week at a local museum (I volunteer) has been home sick with COVID since early last week. His wife caught it from him. This thing gets perilously close again and again. I'm getting my flu shot next week so I'll have that out of the way when, after mid-September, the COVID vaccine makes it to the pharmacy. And if he's being made an example of it's his own damned fault. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Steve Shaw Date: 26 Aug 22 - 07:47 PM By the way, if I thought that the danger of covid was over I wouldn't be agitating for my next booster. But I'm agitating for my next booster. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Steve Shaw Date: 26 Aug 22 - 07:45 PM I fully expect to either stick to the rules of any country I want to visit, or to not go to that country if I can't. I might not agree with the rules, but there again I don't agree with lots of rules I have to abide by in my own country. As far as I'm concerned, this bloke is just a big girl's blouse, a prima donna. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: michaelr Date: 26 Aug 22 - 06:56 PM He shall be known as Novax Djocovid. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Stilly River Sage Date: 26 Aug 22 - 05:20 PM The danger of COVID is NOT OVER. Guns and abortions are separate topics, and not needed on a tennis topic. Djokovic knows the rules. (Edited - You cross posted with WAV who is a source of continual irritation.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: The Sandman Date: 26 Aug 22 - 05:13 PM stilly, i disagree with you strongly, this is just silly, the danger of covid is over now, he is being made an example of, the competition will be weaker without him welcome to the land of the free, a country where people go around shooting others willy nilly, but women cannot have an abortion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 26 Aug 22 - 05:05 PM Not sure what his reasons are but if he could have got jabbed, he should have - duty of care to others (especially those older than him). And it's good that Australia & the U.S. have stood their ground with equal treatment (doesn't always happen with celebrities, of course). But, as I say, as a sports fan, I'm still sorry he's not competing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Stilly River Sage Date: 26 Aug 22 - 04:51 PM Not that much. He scoffs at the US laws, he doesn't come play tennis. Simple. Let someone else shine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 26 Aug 22 - 04:47 PM Instead of his look-up-and-give-out gestures whenever he wins a match (obviously very often as he is very good), I wish he'd repatriate to Serbia & give back via tax. That said, I like fair competition and am sorry he can't compete at the U.S. Open because, despite what they may say, I'm sure who of the big 3 ends up with the most majors does mean a lot to them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: keberoxu Date: 26 Aug 22 - 04:58 AM . . . and now, the US Open is happening without Djokovic. (unvaccinated) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: gillymor Date: 31 Jan 22 - 07:14 AM And it was nice to see Nadal go ahead in the Grand Slam title race, though I am a Federer fan. He showed a lot of heart battling back after dropping the first two sets and looked like the old Rafa, before all the nagging injuries set in in recent years. That forehand is still one of the most lethal weapons in tennis. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: gillymor Date: 31 Jan 22 - 06:53 AM Novaxx should set aside something for his legal defense as he's facing criminal charges in both Australia and Serbia for separate violations and could be facing prison time, though he'll probably buy his way out of it as the wealthy often do. And Sandman, you sure are spending a lot of time discussing a subject that you've characterized, loudly, as an "ISSUE IS OP (sic) LITTLE IMPORTANCE ". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: The Sandman Date: 31 Jan 22 - 01:44 AM just found this. Novak Djokovic has fought back to reinvigorate his public reputation in the ongoing legal battle with Australian authorities, revealing he has given $1 million to the Australian Open junior tennis program and a spate of multimillion dollar Covid-19 related donations.14 Jan 2022 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: The Sandman Date: 31 Jan 22 - 01:11 AM I have more respect for Dolly Parton as a person than Djokovic, but that does not mean i like her music, neither does it mean that i think Djokovic should become some sort of hate figure or that his tennis skills should be demeaned or that i have to listen to drivel about sportsmanship there have been much worse sportspeople than Djkovic eg John McEnroe Ilie Nastase JIMMY CONNORS, my advice is stop wasting your time on THIS Negativity Last year, Parton donated $1 million to coronavirus research, some of which was used in the Moderna vaccine's development. Parton found out her ... the best thing Djokovic could do now would be to donate 1 million Towards building a new hospital |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: The Sandman Date: 31 Jan 22 - 12:51 AM so some excellent tennis was played without Djokovi MEANWHILE not a single PERMANENT hospital was built in the UK. I see on this thread, Djokovic being set up as A hate figure an "AuntSally" for some vaccinated people to take out their dislike of anti vaxxers. Dictionary Aunt Sally noun: Aunt Sally a game played in some parts of Britain in which players throw sticks or balls at a wooden dummy. a dummy used in the game of Aunt Sally. plural noun: Aunt Sallies a person or thing set up as an easy target for criticism. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Steve Shaw Date: 30 Jan 22 - 04:37 PM "...and an aunt sally for the like of steve shaw...." What means this? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: The Sandman Date: 30 Jan 22 - 04:31 PM look i do not care a fart, i have enjoyed his playing, as i have enjoyed many others, the whole thing is of little importance compared to many other events happening, today is the 50th anniversary of bloody sunday, just S off with this inconsequential piffle, HE WAS A FINE TENNIS PLAYER, so is nadal federer medvedev, barty collins etc, but the australian tennis is not very important. you are making him more important than he is, he is an excellent tennis player,so was Rod Laver, IF THE ESTABLISHMENT wants to make him a martyr for the anti vaccers,and an aunt sally for the like of steve shaw they are doing it well. people character flaws dont interest me , i will remember him for his skills, try being charitable and positive |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Allan Conn Date: 30 Jan 22 - 02:14 PM His sporting achievements have been immense but that doesn't mean he should have special disposition re covid rules. The Aussies seem to have handled it badly but likewise seemingly so has he. Re the cheating idea of course he has won on his ability but he has also been at least accused of oneupmanship in the past by feigning injuries on court when he's been in trouble. Fair or not it was an impression we have had in our household too. Immense game today though. Nadal came back from two sets down to win a thriller. The Spaniard will always be a big threat in his favourite French Open. That could potentially leave Novak needing three more wins to break the record. It is his own fault IMHO that he wasn't there to challenge in Melbourne. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: The Sandman Date: 30 Jan 22 - 01:00 PM So I now have looked at an update of the situation, he has never cheated at tennis to win all those titles.he is not a cheat here is a quote ABC News Homepage Latest updates Vaccine tracker Ask a question Federal Court releases reasons for Novak Djokovic visa decision By Amy Bainbridge and Kate Ashton Posted Thu 20 Jan 2022 at 5:52am Thursday 20 Jan 2022 at 5:52am , updated Thu 20 Jan 2022 at 10:43am Thursday 20 Jan 2022 at 10:43am Two men walking, while wearing masks. man on the left looking down at his phone. Novak Djokovic was deported on Sunday night after the court's ruling upheld a government decision to cancel his visa.(Reuters: Loren Elliott) Share this article The Federal Court has revealed the reasons why it rejected tennis star Novak Djokovic's challenge against the federal government's decision to cancel his visa. Key points: Novak Djokovic was deported from Australia late on Sunday after he failed in a bid to have the visa cancellation overturned The three judges say they did not consider the merits or wisdom of the minister's decision to cancel Djokovic's visa, only whether or not it was lawful Humans Rights Lawyer Maria O'Sullivan says the finding is justifiable but questions the impact of the ruling on the right to protest In a unanimous decision, Chief Justice James Allsop, Justice Anthony Besanko and Justice David O'Callaghan said Immigration Minister Alex Hawke's decision to cancel Djokovic's visa was not irrational or illogical. The three judges found it was not irrational for the Mr Hawke to be concerned that the support of anti-vaccination groups for Djokovic may encourage protests and further community transmission. The judges said they did not consider the merits or wisdom of the minister's decision, only whether or not it was lawful. The world number one men's tennis player was deported from Australia late on Sunday after he failed in a bid to have the visa cancellation overturned. The full bench of the Federal Court unanimously agreed to dismiss Djokovic's application on Sunday before he was due to play in the Australian Open on Monday." it seems to me that there are one or two members of this forum, who purport to be of the left but who would make good supporters of totalitarian regimes, there seems to be an intersting psychological phenomenon here, a displacement of hatred for anti vaxxers which is placed on to Djokvic. Be careful you do not make a martyr of him |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: The Sandman Date: 30 Jan 22 - 12:38 PM All that i am are of is that he has won numerous tennis titles, which he did not cheat to win. he has achieved much more as a sports perfomer than most of you ever will. he is entitled to his opinions, it is not mandatory to be vaccinated I have not been sufficently intersted to know OR BE AWARE about his application form.Iknew he was sent back from Australia, but it was not of much interst to me beyond that and quite frankly i think you are giving this too much importance I think there are more important political things of interst than Djokovic. what does interst me and saddens me is the amount of venom shown on this thread to someone you do not even know, a sad reflection on some of the contributors to this forum. |
