Folksong tune evolution

Subject: Folksong tune evolution
From: Jack Campin
Date: 13 Feb 22 - 10:54 AM

Comparative study of how tunes evolve in Anglo-American and Japanese tradition. Similar processes are at work in both settings.

https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cub.2022.01.039

Subject: RE: Folksong tune evolution
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Feb 22 - 12:04 PM

https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cub.2022.01.039

Interesting thanks

Those who do not click links from anonymous guests should get their own to work :-)

Subject: RE: Folksong tune evolution
From: Jack Campin
Date: 13 Feb 22 - 03:24 PM

My phone has just died, losing several years of photos, all my contacts and a a few gigabytes of PDF files I have to find again. That was my first try at copying and pasting anything with the new one. I haven’t yet found a way to preview my HTML.

Subject: RE: Folksong tune evolution
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Feb 22 - 03:29 PM

There was a recent discussion about clicky links. You have to put in the https:// or it goes wrong.

Subject: RE: Folksong tune evolution
From: Jack Campin
Date: 13 Feb 22 - 04:30 PM

As far as I could see the links were correct. This phone works differently enough from the old one that it concealed whatever the problem was.

Anybody got something substantial to say? The mechanisms they talk about are rather like the modal modulations I described in my modes tutorial - opening and filling gaps (“indels” in their useful terminology). It’s a kind of “ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny” situation - I was talking about compositional processes, they’re talking about historical ones.

Subject: RE: Folksong tune evolution
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Feb 22 - 04:57 PM

It wasn't the https that was missing, it was that Jack's browser or word processing software placed "curly quotes" instead of straight quotes. The HTML gods don't like curly quotes.

Subject: RE: Folksong tune evolution
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Feb 22 - 05:27 PM

Substantial?

Well, they say "We made the following two predictions regarding specific regularities of melodic evolution..." and their predictions were born out. The predictions were easy to understand and not surprising if one has compared a few tunes. So the paper was really about application of a of a method from one field of study to another rather than music.

"Interesting" was as enthusiastic as I could get.

Before it was corrected the first link was a URL starting mudcat.org so I assumed that it was the clickifier had misunderstood rather than an HTML parser. How many people would miss curly quotes if they had never been invented to plague us.

Subject: RE: Folksong tune evolution
From: Jack Campin
Date: 13 Feb 22 - 06:09 PM

Thanks, I’m using a tiny font and the curliness of the quotes would been utterly invisible. Now to suss out how to straighten them.

I’d already noticed the indel processes on tunes that persisted over a long time - the description I gave (not original to me) of the evolution of the psalm tune Martyrs is exactly the sort of thing they describe in the paper.