BS: Welp.

Subject: BS: Welp.
From: Kim C
Date: 16 May 23 - 10:00 AM

I've been told by a couple of Much Older People (and I'm 55, by the way) that the oral tradition is dead, folk music is no longer a living breathing thing, etc, etc, etc. I think music is alive as long as people continue to play it, but apparently I'm wrong.

Am I?

Subject: RE: BS: Welp.
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 16 May 23 - 10:53 AM

Isn’t this a discussion of music? Shouldn’t it be above the line?

Subject: RE: BS: Welp.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 May 23 - 10:56 AM

No, your not, Kim. I'm 70 and I was told the same. The Oral tradition as was can no longer exist as everything is recorded nowadays but the folk process still goes on in folk clubs and other places across the country. I'm sure you can hear as many different version of any given song as there are people singing them in clubs, open mics and sigarounds. Why is that? Because the music lives and eveloves.

Subject: RE: BS: Welp.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 May 23 - 10:57 AM

I suspect it would degenerate into a free for all what is folk with the usual trolls wading in if it were above the line BWM :-(

Subject: RE: BS: Welp.
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 16 May 23 - 11:20 AM

I suppose you’re right, Dave. But, of course, non-members will be excluded as long as it remains in eternal damnation ‘dahn below’.

Second thoughts, that might not be such a bad thing… ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Welp.
From: Kim C
Date: 16 May 23 - 11:21 AM

I mean, I just want to enjoy learning & singing a few songs/tunes, and maybe share that with other people who want to do the same. Is that not perpetuating the tradition? And why do some people feel the need to be so gotdamn TEDIOUS about it? Let's just enjoy the music & appreciate its history. That's what I think, anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Welp.
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 May 23 - 11:41 AM

Despite the fact that many of our stories are now digital, humans are storytellers. The methods may change, but a good story always gets my attention. And while "oral tradition" implies shared in person and with changes over time, I think you'll find that the same thing can happen with the written word, wherever it appears. People always want to make a few changes to customise the story. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Welp.
From: Kim C
Date: 16 May 23 - 11:44 AM

I agree.

Subject: RE: BS: Welp.
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 16 May 23 - 12:44 PM

Forgive my ignorance, but what does "Welp." mean?

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Welp.
From: Kim C
Date: 16 May 23 - 12:47 PM

Hi Doug - it's a variation of "well." Something you say when you're bemused, confused, etc. I'm not sure how to really explain it.

Subject: RE: BS: Welp.
From: Kim C
Date: 16 May 23 - 12:49 PM

Haha. I didn't know it was officially in the dictionary.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/welp

Subject: RE: BS: Welp.
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 16 May 23 - 12:49 PM

Well, I'm bemused and confused without trying!

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Welp.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 May 23 - 01:49 PM

I have been bemused and confused from birth!

Subject: RE: BS: Welp.
From: gillymor
Date: 16 May 23 - 02:10 PM

I've turned whippersnappers (to me that's anyone less than about sixty) on to traditional music from all over the world, especially the the U.S., Canada and Europe and sometimes they come back for more.

Subject: RE: BS: Welp.
From: Donuel
Date: 16 May 23 - 02:32 PM

The evolution of music in the fullness of time will include folk music in much more than a niche. It will have a fundamental influence.
Rap 'music' may well be a footnote in folk music.

Subject: RE: BS: Welp.
From: gillymor
Date: 16 May 23 - 02:51 PM

That's all conjecture, you don't know any of that for certain.

Subject: RE: BS: Welp.
From: Kim C
Date: 16 May 23 - 03:25 PM

what do we ever really know for certain, though? ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Welp.
From: gillymor
Date: 16 May 23 - 03:34 PM

Some folks think they know pretty much everything for certain. That's all I have to say on that matter.

Subject: RE: BS: Welp.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 May 23 - 07:15 PM

It's rap music, not rap 'music.' I don't like it either, but I'm still capable of naming it properly. As for folk music, well, what IS folk? ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Welp.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 May 23 - 04:55 AM

I like some Rap. Think of it as performance poetry.

John Cooper Clarke certainly lends himself to it.

I even have a folk rap for you - Mr Fox - Aunt Lucy Broadwood

I must say though that a lot of the suff either goes over my head or below my radar

Subject: RE: BS: Welp.
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 17 May 23 - 06:54 AM

It's rap music, not rap 'music.'

You spelt it wrong. It starts with a silent ‘c’.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Welp.
From: gillymor
Date: 17 May 23 - 07:06 AM

I'm not a fan of the cop-killing, pussy-popping raps or the newer stuff with the heavy, monotonous bass beats that are designed to get you sweating and gyrating on the dance floor but I like some songs that have raps in them e.g some of Chuck Berry's stuff like "You Can't Catch Me" and "Nadine", Blondie's "Rapture", Rick Derringer's "Rock and Roll Hootchie Coo", Bo Diddley's "Who Do You Love". That's my kind of rap, anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Welp.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 May 23 - 07:25 AM

Sorry Doug, I know it was supposed to be a joke but, apart from it being a very old one, it is also unfair. There are a number of genres I am not fond of. Opera, Jazz and diddly-diddly Irish stuff to name but 3, but I would not call them crap. Just outside my tastes. Besides, how much Rap have you heard? If it is just the stuff on radio and TV then maybe you should remember lots of people called folk crap because of the Spinners! Mind you, I did like them myself :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Welp.
From: gillymor
Date: 17 May 23 - 11:05 AM

As long as folks can access videos like this, who knows.
Norman Blake picking vintage instruments and reminiscing-
Norman Blake: The Full Story...
Probably won't do much for the Hip Hop enthusiasts among us.

Subject: RE: BS: Welp.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 May 23 - 11:18 AM

Have a listen to Luka Bloom doing some folk rap on his song Acoustic Motorbike. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Welp.
From: Kim C
Date: 18 May 23 - 10:20 PM

I left both of the Facebook groups I was in because I got tired of the endless gatekeeping. Oh well. Such is life, I reckon.

Subject: RE: BS: Welp.
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 May 23 - 11:09 PM

Why do so many dislike me? Is it because I change the words to songs, making some blasphemously bawdy? Is it because I can’t sing on key for more the two bars?

—Rap

Subject: RE: BS: Welp.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 May 23 - 02:26 AM

Rap - BG :-D

Subject: RE: BS: Welp.
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 19 May 23 - 10:18 AM

With apologies for being late to the thread:

Welp: a contraction of the phrase "so welp me" which precedes an outrageous threat.