BS: What makes a great leader today

Subject: RE: BS: What makes a great leader today
From: Mr Red
Date: 05 Oct 23 - 12:19 PM

Mark Milley for president?

Somehow I think he is too smart to want it.

Subject: RE: BS: What makes a great leader today
From: Mr Red
Date: 05 Oct 23 - 12:19 PM

Mark Milley for president?

Somehow I think he is too smart to want it.

Subject: BS: What makes a great leader today
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Oct 23 - 12:24 PM

We complain about leaders and are right to do so. The problem is that our leadership training is geared to meet past challenges. I think a futurist who works well with diversity and dares to be different would be better able to anticipate and respond to change.

Talent and a cooperative personality would be a plus but a little AI will probably get thrown into the mix.

Subject: RE: BS: What makes a great leader today
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Oct 23 - 01:00 PM

MLK made an "I have a dream" speech, not an 'I have a plan' speech.
When people know the 'why' of a leader they grow to believe in the dream. A good leader knows this axiom well.

Subject: RE: BS: What makes a great leader today
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Oct 23 - 11:28 AM

A great leader like FDR is sometimes a result of their partner.

Subject: RE: BS: What makes a great leader today
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 03:41 PM

We will probably have a hybrid leader that combines AI with human input. The other options are all AI OR all human.

Which would you prefer?

Subject: RE: BS: What makes a great leader today
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Oct 23 - 12:34 PM

The most charismatic leaders are usually the worst-behaved, but if you lack charisma you haven't got much chance of becoming a great leader. A paradox without an easy solution.

Subject: RE: BS: What makes a great leader today
From: Mr Red
Date: 25 Oct 23 - 08:48 AM

Tony Blair had charisma, look how that worked, intially.

Jeremy Corbyn had no charisma and plenty of charisn'tma. A latter-day Michael Foot, without the integrity.

Boris had.... er.......... well... um.......... he was everybody's fool, and we all have the fool in us, which explained his rise to inadequacy.

Nick Clegg is defending Fakebook against legitimate accusations of data collection etc etc etc.

Theresa May was a stalking horse for Boris

Liz Truss - yea! Quite! Studied economics at Uni. Yea! Quite!

Starmer is a safe pair of hands, but TBH his rise to N? 10 will be driven by the vacuum left by the current incumbents. And we do need a safe pair of hands right now.

John Major was a good chairman apparently. And if you followed the Leveson Inquiry it showed he lost his election because he refused to be "quid pro quo"'d by Merdoch. Say what you like about his politics, but the man had some integrity. (not that it will stop the carping, driven purely by politics). He also stood up against Thatcher and won one General Election. Grey power?

No I don't have favourites, whatever biases, I have they are visible to me when I look at politics E&OE

Subject: RE: BS: What makes a great leader today
From: robomatic
Date: 23 Oct 23 - 05:59 PM

Lyndon Johnson got a lot more done in social legislation than John F. Kennedy even dreamed of. An English publication made the observation that LBJ "ruled from a nest of short hairs."

Subject: RE: BS: What makes a great leader today
From: robomatic
Date: 27 Oct 23 - 04:04 PM

I have a soft spot for Angela Merkel. She spent TRMPs term being leader of the free world. We could have done (almost did) worse.

Subject: RE: BS: What makes a great leader today
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Oct 23 - 07:55 AM

Charisma is maybe half physical. We won't ever have a President as homely as Abraham Lincoln again in this video world.
That's too bad since Lincoln learned to try harder with humor and wisdom.

Subject: RE: BS: What makes a great leader today
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Oct 23 - 02:45 PM

In my lifetime any emphasis on the future has dissipated to the want of instant gratification and greed. Corporate theft of pensions is commonplace and sacrificing the environment is normal. Wealth divides have grown and Panama paper financing is standard operating procedure. I am a future enthusiast when it comes to discovery and new thought paradigms.         The condemnation of TESLA has caused the world to be drowned in oil and global warming instead of an electric world. Einstein said Tesla was the smartest man in the world and had far more practical inventions than Albert.
A great leader is invested in the future. There is a notion that great contributions only come from the young. On a case-by-case basis that youth myth is clearly wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: What makes a great leader today
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Oct 23 - 01:20 PM

There are leaders of annihilation like Hitler and Stalin etc.
Then there are leaders who must respond to said annihilation.
There is the annihilation of Jews by Muslims.
The American Indian wars sought annihilation of the many tribes.
Conquistadors did the same. Total annihilation is seldom accomplished.


The only race/culture that was totally annihilated was the Tasmanians by the British.

Subject: RE: BS: What makes a great leader today
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Nov 23 - 11:29 AM

You are a cold man of 72 with your own rules for everyone else.
Not a leader but most leaders are cold.

Subject: RE: BS: What makes a great leader today
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Nov 23 - 06:25 AM

It is only my personal experience.
Steven Colbert reported that President Biden has made rules for the control of AI and the rise of machines. Colbert said there is no one he trusts more with the control the machines as long as that machine is not a bike.

Subject: RE: BS: What makes a great leader today
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Nov 23 - 08:41 AM

When comes to the warmest people I read, you are not on that list.


The entire religious equivalence of Trump with Christ, election denying, save the Children foundation, is not from Trump lawyers or the Proud Boys, it is QAnon.

The current leader of QAnon today is General Flynn. From what I know about cults and propaganda, QAnon is a classic psyop operation.

If Trump can not continue for any reason General Flynn will be the heir apparent. The ReAwaken America movement in QAnon is entirely run by Flynn. The internet QAnon leader Q posted its last comment 2 weeks after Fynn was pardoned. From then on it is all General Flynn's leadership. A typical Flynn rally begins with a pastor moving to a disaffected doctor and then the star of the show is the former 3 star General Flynn.

Subject: RE: BS: What makes a great leader today
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Nov 23 - 09:13 AM

QAnon is engaging in stochastic terrorism. The violence it inspires has an impact on the family unit and America. They consider that they are the force of good fighting the ultimate evil. They consider that they are the force of good battling the ultimate evil who are the Jews and Democrats. It is a conspirituality. They call it a war of spirituality. QAnon has many other enemies like, Oprah, Bill Gates and the Pope who is responsible for all child abuse. They call their book burnings an occult item burning.

Subject: RE: BS: What makes a great leader today
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Nov 23 - 12:48 PM

Greg Locke is the Pastor of Christian Nationalism and QAnon.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63902626

Subject: RE: BS: What makes a great leader today
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Nov 23 - 07:38 PM

A base of religious zealots united by shared hates and fear is valuable to a fascist regime. They will do violence to defend the authoritative State by attacking the enemies of the state.

Subject: RE: BS: What makes a great leader today
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Nov 23 - 06:10 AM

Greg Locke is more crazy and hateful than you can imagine. The crazier he becomes the more his 'flock' eats it up. We may see fervent psychopathy but the obedient religious bigots only see truth that was heretofore hidden from them.

Subject: RE: BS: What makes a great leader today
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Nov 23 - 08:31 PM

The Narcissist National anthem


It's a long shot sure thing
with a slim fat chance
to save the forking world
and hear the angels chant
"Behold my own flag unfurled
to save this blessed world"
just obey all of my rules
be you wise or be you fools

Subject: RE: BS: What makes a great leader today
From: Lighter
Date: 30 Oct 23 - 06:33 PM

According to a Republican official in New Hampshire (quoted on CNN or MSNBC), his two "heroes" (his word) are Jesus and Donald Trump.

So there's one answer.

Subject: RE: BS: What makes a great leader today
From: Thompson
Date: 31 Oct 23 - 06:31 PM

Most of the war leaders and wannabes are old men. Netanyahu is 74. Biden is 81. Trump is 77. Putin is 71.

Subject: RE: BS: What makes a great leader today
From: Thompson
Date: 01 Nov 23 - 08:26 AM

Only a babby!

Subject: RE: BS: What makes a great leader today
From: Thompson
Date: 03 Nov 23 - 06:01 AM

The Pope is responsible for all child abuse? What?

Subject: RE: BS: What makes a great leader today
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Oct 23 - 02:08 PM

Jimmy Carter was a non-charismatic leader who was very good. He was trounced by a charismatic leader who was very bad. Clement Attlee was very non-charismatic, but, arguably, was our best prime minister for at least the last hundred years. Who knows what the rules are here. And that's just democracies.

Subject: RE: BS: What makes a great leader today
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Oct 23 - 09:39 AM

Major presided over a lot of sleaze that happened on his watch. As for his integrity, we could ask Norma about his integrity between 1984 and 1988. Whilst these things matter a lot less these days, had his affair been made public earlier he would probably never have become PM. He was a weak and definitely not a great leader, but I dunno whether Tarzan would have been any better. Funny how these Tory grandees turn into sage old boys in their latter years, innit. Thinking of Major, Clarke, Tarzan and co., among others.

And Jeremy Corbyn was no great leader but he has more integrity than all the others you mentioned put together. You're reading the wrong papers.

Subject: RE: BS: What makes a great leader today
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Oct 23 - 04:30 PM

"There is the annihilation of Jews by Muslims."

You to have forgotten something.

Subject: RE: BS: What makes a great leader today
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Oct 23 - 06:03 PM

You SEEM to have forgotten something.

Subject: RE: BS: What makes a great leader today
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Oct 23 - 06:36 PM

Wotchit, Thompson. I'm an old man of 72!

Subject: RE: BS: What makes a great leader today
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Nov 23 - 01:16 PM

You are trolling.

Subject: RE: BS: What makes a great leader today
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Nov 23 - 07:23 AM

You dived in with a personal attack, completely unprovoked. You are a troll.

Subject: RE: BS: What makes a great leader today
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Nov 23 - 12:01 PM

You dived in with a completely unprovoked and uncalled-for personal attack, the very definition of trolling, and you think you can now shrug it off. I'm amazed that this exchange is still here.

Subject: RE: BS: What makes a great leader today
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 23 Oct 23 - 06:54 AM

> The most charismatic leaders are usually the worst-behaved, but if you
> lack charisma you haven't got much chance of becoming a great leader.
> A paradox without an easy solution.

Side observation: There are those in middle management with actual negative charisma, which I dubbed "charisn'tma" when I was on the receiving end. Their effect can be at least as corrosive as that of a badly-behaved charismatic.