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Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III

Donuel 17 Apr 24 - 06:58 AM
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Apr 24 - 06:58 AM

Are there any cynics here?

There are opinions, insights, and chronicling journalists in this thread.
I explore the first two for the most part along with insider humor and Stilly deals mostly with the chronicling of journalists.

We all know the obvious win for Trump with a hung jury.
The Teflon Don had 3 hung juries.
Trump needs just one.

I suspect low information folks are most likely to feel phantom victimization and conspiracy by the 'man' but are not actual cynics.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 17 Apr 24 - 02:36 AM

”On Monday, conservative media personality Clay Travis sent the following tweet to his one million-plus Twitter (X) followers: 'If you’re a Trump supporter in New York City who is a part of the jury pool, do everything you can to get seated on the jury and then refuse to convict as a matter of principle, dooming the case via hung jury. It’s the most patriotic thing you could possibly do.'"

Since prospective jurors are under oath at voir dire, Travis is urging perjury in federal court for the sake of "patriotism" and "principle."


Seems to justify my post of 15th April, 12:06PM…

”It’s unusual though, Manitas - it’s certainly doesn’t seem to provide the same kind of jury-rigging opportunity as in the US from what I can gather.”


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Apr 24 - 10:43 PM

Voir dire can be used to strategically put a leader on a jury that will have great influence over others who may be led like sheep. Hiring a firm to scour the history of people in a jury pool is not illegal. Jus saying that it may look like the lawyers are doing the deciding but probably not.

The mob would simply threaten a jury member or two. Now there is practically a spooky neuroscience devoted to jury selection in big cases.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 16 Apr 24 - 12:24 PM

"On Monday, conservative media personality Clay Travis sent the following tweet to his one million-plus Twitter (X) followers: 'If you’re a Trump supporter in New York City who is a part of the jury pool, do everything you can to get seated on the jury and then refuse to convict as a matter of principle, dooming the case via hung jury. It’s the most patriotic thing you could possibly do.'"

Since prospective jurors are under oath at voir dire, Travis is urging perjury in federal court for the sake of "patriotism" and "principle."


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Apr 24 - 11:35 AM

Biden won't be sleep inducing in court ever, Sandman, because he isn't breaking the law and won't be tried like Trump. Today again Trump is apparently nodding off.

The demographics of the New York City jury pool (according to MSNBC's Steve Kornacki reviewing the last presidential election) are 76% voted for Biden, with Manhattan alone coming in at 87% for Biden. The Trump attorneys are hoping for a lot of jurors from Staten Island where Trump did best (but still didn't win.)


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Charmion
Date: 16 Apr 24 - 11:04 AM

It is possible to judge a loathsome person fairly, but it takes a high degree of self-discipline to stay focussed on the facts of the case and the nature and quality of the evidence.

That said, I'm glad I'm not in that jury pool.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Apr 24 - 06:50 AM

"Wow, so much..."

Sleep is one thing but cognitive decline is another.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Apr 24 - 02:55 AM

All politicians play to their supporters. It must be difficult to find an impartial juror, much as i dislike Trump,how can he have a n impartial trial.
I would think watching Trump in court would be LESS SLEEP INDUCING than watching Biden


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Apr 24 - 10:38 PM

If he wants to attend his son's high school graduation and have Wednesdays off he has to cooperate and let things move along. Does Donny really want to go to a high school graduation? Probably not - that's more playing to the supporters. (I wonder where Barron will go to college? Melania has been a very involved parent from what I can tell - will she have an opinion that has him doing something other than the rest who went to U Penn?)

One thing I can empathise with as far as Trump's day in court - I'd be falling asleep in there also.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 15 Apr 24 - 06:04 PM

Back to the topic, more than half of the nearly 100 prospective jurors answering a preliminary questionnaire today were dismissed for saying they weren't impartial.

The remainder have to be questioned by the attorneys.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Apr 24 - 05:42 PM

Back to the case at hand, please.

MSNBC will be talking about this in detail all evening with their best and brightest.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Apr 24 - 05:23 PM

Precisely!


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 15 Apr 24 - 05:19 PM

Of course, contrary to expectations, World War I wasn't much of a deterrent to World War II.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Apr 24 - 05:18 PM

”The release of the blockbuster motion picture horror "Civil War" should serve as something of a deterrent.”

I saw ‘Civil War’ at the cinema in Lincoln yesterday. Of course it’s fiction, but if reality was only half as bad as the fiction of the movie, it would still be horrific.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Apr 24 - 04:24 PM

Some people believe jury selection is the most important part of a trial.

Runaway Jury is a 2003 American legal thriller film directed by Gary Fleder and starring John Cusack, Gene Hackman (who had also starred in The Firm and The Chamber), Dustin Hoffman and Rachel Weisz. An adaptation of John Grisham's 1996 novel The Runaway Jury, the film pits lawyer Wendell Rohr (Hoffman) against shady jury consultant Rankin Fitch (Hackman) who is my cousin, uses unlawful means to stack the jury with people sympathetic to the defense. Meanwhile, a high-stakes cat-and-mouse game begins when juror Nicholas Easter (Cusack) and his girlfriend Marlee (Weisz) appear to be able to sway the jury to deliver any verdict they want in a trial against a gun manufacturer. The film was released October 17, 2003.



There are people who are taught they have to hide some kind of individuality from society. It used to be race, gay people or intersex people who were told to hide but whatever differences be it disability or ability I say viva la difference. The fear of being made fun of should not cage people in denial, whatever their differences. Folks like these may be able to wrangle themselves onto a jury despite having strong feelings that are not impartial


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 15 Apr 24 - 04:01 PM

The release of the blockbuster motion picture horror "Civil War" should serve as something of a deterrent.

Of course, the operative word is "should."

Meanwhile, bad news for DJT investors, though some don't mind:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-supporters-horrified-value-truth-141358796.html


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Apr 24 - 01:16 PM

On BBC1 Evening News just now, an American woman being interviewed in a vox-pop outside the courthouse saying that, if Tr*mp goes to jail, she and millions of other Americans are going to “Grab our guns and have a civil war”. The lunatics are taking over the asylum.

God Help America.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Apr 24 - 12:19 PM

Thanks Lighter, makes more sense now, but still something of an OTT palaver to a simple bloke like me! ;-) :-)


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Apr 24 - 12:06 PM

It’s unusual though, Manitas - it’s certainly doesn’t seem to provide the same kind of jury-rigging opportunity as in the US from what I can gather. Here’s the opening paragraph from the ‘Jury Vetting’ section of the CPS website…

”In some circumstances, the parties to the case can challenge the empanelment of a juror through ‘Stand By’ or ‘Challenge to Cause’, full details of which are set out in this document. However, this would generally be an exceptional course and the prosecution should only exert its right to do so where it is essential and on the basis of the clearly defined criteria set out below. “

The full section is here…


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 15 Apr 24 - 12:06 PM

American juries are not exactly "hand-picked." They are closely questioned under oath by attorneys for both side. If a prospective juror appears to be unfriendly to one side or the other, or incapable of passing judgment, he or she is dismissed.

Each side also gets a limited opportunity to dismiss prospective jurors for no stated reason at all.

The "jury pool" is indeed selected from randomly chosen people on the local voting rolls.

But to dispense with the questioning ("voir dire") would raise the probability of prejudiced, indecisive, and moronic jurors serving on the panel. A jury is empaneled only when all of its members have been approved by both sides.

So to call it "hand-picked" is entirely misleading.

As for the electoral college, it was the price the free states had to pay to get the slave states to join the Union in 1787.

Since the "3/5 rule" was intended to restrict stave-state representation in Congress by lowering its "official" population, these less populous states demanded in return a way to exert somewhat greater influence on the outcome of presidential elections - the only time the electoral college comes into play.

The Founders rejected the alternatives to the electoral college: direct democracy or election of the president my members of Congress.

They believed among other things that the electoral college would be less corruptible than the alternatives.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 15 Apr 24 - 11:47 AM

English juries can be hand picked to a certain extent. A barrister objected to me as I was wearing a 3 piece suit and sporting a red rose (it was St George's Day). I believe they can object to a certain number of jurors.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Apr 24 - 11:37 AM

Seems to me that the jury should be a random twelve people drawn from the electoral register, or whatever the US version is of the Electoral Register - how can a fair trial be guaranteed with 'hand-picked' jurors?

Almost as weird as your 'Electoral College' nonsense.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Apr 24 - 10:42 AM

Donna Brazile made a misstep with the DNC when she and Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida worked to steer the nomination to Hillary Clinton. As far as I know not illegal, but frowned upon, and absolutely nothing compared to what the Trump family is doing to the RNC at this point. But you're correct, Donna Brazile is a dynamo. I heard her speak on my campus a dozen years ago, she's smart and funny.

Another powerhouse strategist and speaker is Stacey Abrams, who ran twice for the office of governor of Georgia. Between these two women I'm sure Trump has spilled a lot of virtual ink in blasting their reputations while they can talk circles around him.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Apr 24 - 10:19 AM

I bet more women jurors will be dismissed than men. Some men might sympathize in their dreams with covering up porn star sex to avoid conflict with a pregnant wife and voters who are considering you for President, except for private bragging rights with buddies. I remember an old show 'Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous'.

It's funny that lawyers tried to change the venue for the trial in NYC where Trump has lived most his life.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 15 Apr 24 - 09:30 AM

Re jury selection: I can remember the televised version of Peyton Place in the late 1960s, mainly because of the multiple interminable episodes spent doing jury selection in some very important trial. The only other thing I can remember is Mia Farrow's skid-lid haircut.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Apr 24 - 08:52 AM

His best hope is a hung jury.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Apr 24 - 08:51 AM

An interesting opinion-piece in today’s ‘i’ on-line and newspaper written by Emily Maitlis, suggesting that Trump may be in a real tangle over the abortion issue, and that his election chances in November are seriously damaged by it.

Is Karma beginning to work bigly against him?

Emily Maitlis in The ‘I’


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 14 Apr 24 - 05:50 PM

Wow! I just watched Donna Brazile on the latest round table section of
ABC America This Week very eloquently and determinedly voicing her opinion on abortion rights in the U.S.

Wow! She's my new hero!

Her statement starts at 4 mins 30 on the video but I am betting that what she said will pop up all over social media.

It was the episode dated 14 April 2024.

And I am still standing by my opinion that Trump will be hoist by his own petard(s), and one of the petards is labelled "abortion rights".


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Apr 24 - 05:28 AM

The Trump trial will be a first but it is the OPPOSITE in every way to the OJ Simpson trial.

The Trump trial will not be televised.
OJ was an athlete, Trump needs a golf cart.
The Trump motorcade is preceded by police vehicles.
OJ's Bronco was followed by police.
OJ had the best lawyers in the country.
Trump has legal mouthpieces.
The Trump trial involves his dick
The OJ trial involved a knife.
Trump is MAGA white
OJ was so black they redecorated his house 'white' for the trial.
For OJ if it didn't fit you must acquit.
For Trump one size fits all.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Apr 24 - 11:31 AM

We won't be able to watch jury selection, and I don't know if we'll be able to see any of the trial telecast, but there will be reporters popping in and out of the courtroom to update media hosts about the goings on. Important legal maneuvers, grandstanding, etc. Trump says he wants to testify, but the man is physically incapable of telling the truth so my money is on his attorneys talking him out of it lest he face perjury charges.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 13 Apr 24 - 07:59 AM

You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Raggytash
Date: 13 Apr 24 - 06:29 AM

I believe the original quote is accredited to one of your former presidents, Abraham Lincoln, who said:

"“You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.”


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Apr 24 - 06:21 AM

You can fool some of the people some of the time but you can't fool all the people all the time. To say half of us can be foolish is unrealistic optimism. We can all be foolish some of the time.


In the upcoming trial remember paying hush money is not illegal and doctoring business records through Micheal Cohen is a misdemeanor.
IT IS a felony in campaign finance law to pay/bribe people to hide facts in an election. David Pecker will be a very important witness,


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Apr 24 - 03:07 AM

However the result of a Trump win is an evil that does deserve attention.
quote Donuel
fifty percent approx of Americans do not agree


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Apr 24 - 07:24 PM

Jury selection starts on Monday but there are lots of ploys his attorneys can try during that process to delay things. A retired judge who worked in the same court has said (on MSNBC) she thinks the jury selection will take the longest, the trail itself is pretty straightforward. She also said the judge will have to set limits - how long to interview each potential juror, and to not let them all bail at the beginning. That said, jurors aren't forced to stay if they feel they can't be fair in their hearing of the case.

It's all to do with the campaign - the first one - and whether money was paid as an illegal donation, etc. It wasn't paid as part of a personal wish to hide it from his wife, it was to do with a wish to hide it from the voters.

The change of venue request was ludicrous - because he himself is talking about this stuff all of the time and there is no corner of the state that hasn't heard about it.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Apr 24 - 06:31 PM

Its too bad Helen can't vote here.

We all know that remaining silent is to be complicit.
Well meaning folks might be silent simply because someone like Trump does not deserve the head space in one's consciousness.
However the result of a Trump win is an evil that does deserve attention.
It is the evil of; might makes right, the ends justify the means, and mass detention and murder.

I need a bumperstiker that sez
If you fail to vote
      Trump
he goes to jail.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 10 Apr 24 - 05:06 PM

A thought-provoking analytical article which I think is worth reading in full:

Donald Trump's anger at a Republican ally highlights his fear of women's voting power ahead of the US election

"Donald Trump may have locked up the Republican nomination with stunning speed, but he is keenly aware of a major hurdle that could stand between him and the White House: women.

"Many Americans who support access to abortion are motivated, angry and ready to punish Republicans — including Trump — at the ballot box on Election Day."

The Democrat strategy is interesting:

"A motivating issue

"President Joe Biden and his campaign are determined not to let Trump take abortion 'out of play'.

"Trump appointed three of the Supreme Court justices that overturned Roe v Wade – the legal ruling that made abortion access a constitutional right – and later claimed credit for the court's decision.

"Democrats are releasing their own videos as they take every opportunity to remind voters that Trump's ultimately responsible for the bans that are spreading across the country."

,,,,

"Meanwhile, in a recent YouGov/CBS poll, 51 per cent of respondents said abortion would be a major factor in their vote for president. Only 17 per cent said it wouldn't be a factor at all.

"And a KFF poll shows it remains a particularly motivating issue for female voters – especially Black women, Democratic women and women in states with abortion bans. One in six women of reproductive age said it was the most important issue for them this election.

"All this makes it easy to see why Trump wants Republicans to pipe down on the issue. But, even if they do, Biden and the Democrats are likely to keep talking about it non-stop.

"'Donald Trump and all those responsible for overturning Roe don't have a clue about the power of women in America,' Biden said after Trump's video release.

"'But they are about to find out'."

One of the comments in the article that I find most interesting is:

"Democrats like to go up against abortion hardliners at the ballot box.

"They've even been known to help anti-abortion candidates win Republican primaries, because they believe those candidates are easier for Democrats to beat."


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Apr 24 - 12:20 PM

The fear of a possible Trump presidency ripples through non-profit organizations like that set up in the name of former president Gerald R. Ford. Famed photographer quits Ford board over Liz Cheney snub
David Hume Kennerly wanted the Trump critic honored with the foundation’s top award.
A Pulitzer Prize-winning political photographer resigned Tuesday from the board of the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Foundation, blasting the group for cowardice in rejecting Trump critic Liz Cheney as the recipient of its top yearly award.

David Hume Kennerly claimed in a letter to fellow trustees that Cheney’s nomination for the Gerald R. Ford Medal for Distinguished Public Service was nixed largely out of fear that Trump would retaliate against the organization if he’s reelected. Cheney, herself a trustee, was rejected three separate times, Kennerly wrote, as other potential honorees declined the award.

Gleaves Whitney, the foundation’s executive director, said in a statement that the foundation’s executive committee, guided by legal counsel, believed it was not “prudent” to give the medal to Cheney given her flirtations with a presidential run.

Giving her the medal during the election cycle, Whitney said, “might be construed as a political statement and thus expose the Foundation to the legal risk of losing its nonprofit status with the IRS.”

Cheney isn't running for president. That possibility went away when the dubious "No Name" group declared that they weren't going to support a candidate.

That said, Trump keeps pointing fingers at anything he doesn't like and his thugs start the torment. Says a few caustic words and hell happens. The man needs to be muzzled.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Apr 24 - 12:07 PM

Former Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg sentenced for perjury

Weisselberg still hasn't turned on the mob boss he worked for. Maybe facing five more months at Rikers will cause a last minute deal. We can always hope!


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Apr 24 - 07:14 AM

Donald Trump and his driver were cruising along a country road one evening when a pig ran in front of the car.

The pig was killed.

The President told his driver to go up to the farmhouse and explain to the owners what happened.

About an hour later the driver staggered back to the car with his clothes in total disarray. He was holding a bottle of wine in one hand, a cigar in the other and smiling happily.

“What happened?” asked the President.

“Well,” the driver replied, “the farmer gave me the wine, his wife gave me the cigar, and their beautiful daughter made mad passionate love to me.”

“My God, what did you tell them?” asked the President.

The driver replied: “I just said I was Donald Trump’s driver, and I just killed the pig.”


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Apr 24 - 06:09 AM

Imagine a dictator and his Supreme Court deciding to make other 1864 laws to be left to the States to be enforced like allowing only men to vote. What was whispered might be shouted. There are men who would like to see certain women as commodities to be sold. The South shall rise is a phrase that is coming back.

Naw, it couldn't happen here      again.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Apr 24 - 05:44 PM

The top brass of the US military have filed an Amicus brief with the Supreme Court that advises that giving Trump sweeping immunity will cause domestic chaos by using the military against US citizens and cause global mistrust of the US by our Allies.


Now that's another first!


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Apr 24 - 01:41 PM

Trump lied to the court that no one would give him a bond.
AXOS bank, formerly Internet Bank US, was happy to give him a bond for the full amount. They gave him millions of dollars in loans in the past.
source Rachel Maddow/

In the lieocracy of Liemerica, the abortion remarks of Trump have been followed by the Arizona Supreme Court ruling that a territorial law regarding abortion from 1864 that makes abortion a criminal offense will now be the law of the land.

All the Trump-appointed SC Judges lied when they testilied before Congress that they would not overturn Roe Wade.

House members are now claiming the claims of DC Weekly are true.
DC Weekly is the pillar of Russain propoganda.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 08 Apr 24 - 02:58 PM

This might be the first politically strategic statement I have seen by the Trumpster. It might also be the last, IMO.

Donald Trump says US states should determine abortion law but did not propose a national ban

"In short: Donald Trump has released a video on abortion law.
   
"The presidential hopeful says it should be left to US states to decide, but he did not speak about a national ban.
   
"The issue of abortion is likely to be crucial during this year's election.

"Donald Trump said he still believes abortion laws should be determined by the states but has stopped short of a national ban, choosing a more moderate stance heading into November's general election.

"In a video posted on his social media platform, the former US president said he supported exceptions for rape, incest and to protect the life of the mother. He also reiterated that he supports the availability of in-vitro fertilisation.

"He did not say that he would seek a national ban on abortion if he is returned to the White House, with the issue likely to galvanise voters of both political parties in November's presidential election."

.....

"Since launching his campaign in late 2022, Mr Trump has largely shied away from the topic of abortion.

"The Republican Party has struggled to articulate a message to stop the political fallout after the 2022 ruling overturning the 1973 landmark Roe v Wade decision.

"That move was made possible by Mr Trump's appointment of three conservative justices to the court while president from 2017 to 2021.

"The reversal triggered a voter backlash that was widely credited with curbing Republican gains in the 2022 congressional mid-term elections and propelling Democrats to victories in some state elections last year.

"While Americans tend to accept restrictions on abortion after the first trimester, polls also show that a sizable majority prefer to have the decision made by the patient and her doctor, not the government."


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Apr 24 - 04:12 PM

In a separate part of the Trump enterprise (not under indictment yet), it seems that Trump's "Truth Social" was kept afloat by a Russian-American who is a "person of interest" for money laundering and insider trading. Sounds like Trump's kind of guy.

Exclusive: Trump Media saved in 2022 by Russian-American under criminal investigation
Trump’s social media company went public relying partly on loans from trust managed by person of interest to prosecutors
The former US president stands to gain billions of dollars – his stake is currently valued at about $4bn – from the merger between Trump Media and Technology Group and the blank-check company Digital World Acquisition Corporation, which took the parent company of Truth Social public.

But Trump Media almost did not make it to the merger after regulators opened a securities investigation into the merger in 2021 and caused the company to burn through cash at an extraordinary rate as it waited to get the green light for its stock market debut.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 07 Apr 24 - 02:38 PM

Questions have arisen about the ability of the bond company to cough up the cash if needed.

Meanwhile, Trump posts that going to jail for violating a gag order would be a "great honor." It would make him "the Modern Day Nelson Mandela."

Many people would certainly think so.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Apr 24 - 01:41 PM

From The Guardian,

Trump’s bizarre, vindictive incoherence has to be heard in full to be believed
Excerpts from his speeches do not do justice to Trump’s smorgasbord of vendettas, non sequiturs and comparisons to famous people
Trump’s tone, as many have noted, is decidedly more vengeful this time around, as he seeks to reclaim the White House after a bruising loss that he insists was a steal. This alone is a cause for concern, foreshadowing what the Trump presidency redux could look like. But he’s also, quite frequently, rambling and incoherent, running off on tangents that would grab headlines for their oddness should any other candidate say them.

Journalists rightly chose not to broadcast Trump’s entire speeches after 2016, believing that the free coverage helped boost the former president and spread lies unchecked. But now there’s the possibility that stories about his speeches often make his ideas appear more cogent than they are – making the case that, this time around, people should hear the full speeches to understand how Trump would govern again.

Spend a few minutes reading the article, and find analysis gems like this:
These half-cocked remarks aren’t new; they are a feature of who Trump is and how he communicates that to the public, and that’s key to understanding how he is as a leader.

The New York Times opinion writer Jamelle Bouie described it as “something akin to the soft bigotry of low expectations”, whereby no one expected him to behave in an orderly fashion or communicate well.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Apr 24 - 06:59 AM

The most eye opening documentary on Netflix this year is Anti Social Media. IT is the most compelling but simple explanation of the rise of TRUMP via the internet. It began with nothing to do with him.

I came late to seeing fascism on 4 Chan and other sites. I now have an overview of the entire unfolding of our current situation.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Apr 24 - 09:04 AM

Trump appeal is far more evident with men than women.
There are a few glaring exceptions like Judge Cannon.

Come Monday I will be chased by a Moonshadow, Moonshadow Moonshadow.
There will be folks who lose their eyes
staring straight until they cry...


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Apr 24 - 03:56 AM

Trump is not boring. He is America's Citizen Kane.
Always a paradox, always the narcissist.
Biden wears the white hat and is always honest to his duty and faithful to love. Not as interesting is he?

We expect the Trump story to end in tragedy. It revolves around power and is hard to look away.


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