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Enlighten me - stuck pig?
DigiTrad:
SOW TOOK THE MEASLES
THE OLD SOW TOOK THE MEASLES
Related thread:
measles 'sow took the measles' (18)
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Subject: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: Joe Offer Date: 18 Feb 00 - 01:15 AM In his explanation of Ballad #155, Francis James Child says the Jew's daughter entices Sir Hugh into her house with an apple, leads him through nine dark doors, lays him on a table, and sticks him like a swine. At this point, I realized that I have used the expression "squealing like a stuck pig" all my life, and don't really know what it means. From the context, I'm guessing that this is a sort of torture that is particularly painful to males, possibly akin to the manufacture of prairie oysters. But I have to admit I really don't know. So, please tell me, what happened to poor Sir Hugh and all those pigs? -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: Lin in Kansas Date: 18 Feb 00 - 01:23 AM Joe--I would guess it simply refers to the process of killing and butchering. It's my understanding that the traditional method of butchering pork includes severing the juglar vein so the animal will "bleed out" before it dies, thus making the meat more palatable. (The same thing hunters do with deer.) Sorta makes you pause over your morning bacon, huh? Could be wrong, but this is what I've heard. JL |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: GUEST, Bob Bolton('s home computer) Date: 18 Feb 00 - 01:34 AM G'day Joe, I see that someone (presumably a compatriot) got back with much the same reply I was considering. The usually interesting references (like Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable just refer to 'sticking' - stabbing the jugular as the usual way of killing a pig. There is no mention of any more tender areas. BTW: If you have replied to my reply to your query, I will get back to it on Monday, when I get back in front of the work machine. When I iron out some problems with this new connection to Netspace, I may shift my cookie to this machine and be in better contact. Regards, Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: Dave (the ancient mariner) Date: 18 Feb 00 - 04:45 AM Wild Boars were hunted and killed by men with spears. Sometimes a large knife was used as backup weapon. If you ever hear a boar or pig squeal in its death throes, it is a very intense sound not easily forgotten. Hence a "stuck" or speared pig squealing is very loud and disturbing. A boar or wild pig is a very ferocious animal, and they have been known to kill humans. Anyone in the Lake District of England will be familiar with the Wild Boar Inn. (Very nice hotel,good meals,not cheap) the history of the place goes back 500 years. A Norman Knight killed a wild boar, that was attacking and killing people in the region. Sometimes you count the meat, sometimes the meat counts you. Yours,Aye. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler Date: 18 Feb 00 - 04:48 AM Old Boy Scouts who read Baden-Powell's memoirs will remember pigsticking (impaling wild pigs/boars on spears from horseback) was a pastime popular among British colonial cavalry regiments as late as the turn of the century. What jolly fun they must have had! :o(} RtS |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: Wolfgang Date: 18 Feb 00 - 06:59 AM Joe, you're able to understand this: "schreien wie ein abgestochenes Schwein (or: "wie eine abgestochen Sau"). The explanation for the expression is just like the ones above. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: Crowhugger Date: 18 Feb 00 - 07:14 AM Thank you, D-TAM & Rts, saving me a post. BTW I can quit posting any time I want, I just like it ;-)
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: Steve Parkes Date: 18 Feb 00 - 07:43 AM I believe pig-sticking, as practised by British officers in the Indian Army, was started by the Lancers (mounted soldiers with lances), providing as it did opportunities for sharpening their technique while having fun. Organised "real" sporting events included trying to pick up a wooden peg stuck in the ground while riding past at speed. The native wild pigs must have been an even greater challenge, as they naturally would run away, dodging and hiding. God, in His wisdom, even provided a target, just under the pig's tail. Yeuch! In his comic song "I wonder what happened to him?", Noel Coward included the memorable line, "He took to pig-sticking in quite the wrong way!". I think he was talking about something different ... Steve (oink!) |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: Troll Date: 18 Feb 00 - 08:46 AM Sticking a pig to butcher him for meat was common when I was a boy in the N.C. mountains. I've seen it done manys the time. Everyone helped with the butchering, even the kids.My Grandfather didn't stick however; he shot them in the head with a .22 rifle. It killed them instantly and we then hung them and bled them. I had several uncles who did stick. I always thought it inhumane but at five or six couldn't say much. We usually butchered four or five head for the families winter meat. What wasn't somked or sugar-cured was ground into sausage and canned in mason jars where it would keep very well. troll |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: wysiwyg Date: 18 Feb 00 - 08:49 AM Would the horseback pigsticking by the elite have been like live-bait polo? |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: Dave (the ancient mariner) Date: 18 Feb 00 - 03:05 PM Dangerous animals wild pigs, watch out in the woods mates. I believe very strongly in some philosophy handed to me by an old farmer I used to work for as a boy in Lancashire. I have always remembered it; and although I have hunted game for eating, I treat wildlife with the same respect as the First Nations do. I asked the Farmer (Mr.Dearden) why he treated his animals so gently? (rough man, but could not hide the great spirit working inside) He said "because one day they will die for us, so I treat them as decently as possible" I never forgot his words. Anyone who kills for pleasure, is not a decent person at all. Yours,Aye. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: GUEST, Bob Bolton ('s home computer) Date: 18 Feb 00 - 09:01 PM G'day all, Steve Parkes: As I understand it from the military buffs (enthusiasts, not the regiment), the Tentpegging - picking out wooden tent pegs on the run with lances - was practice for a legitimate military exercise: mounted troops knocking down the foes' encampment as a harassing maneouvre. I have seen the local NSW Lancers (based in Sydney, NSW, Australia) demonstrate the technique at a few shows. Certainly Pigsticking with lances would help develop combat skills ... but it looks a lot more like practice for running down fleeing civilians! Regards, Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: Joe Offer Date: 19 Feb 00 - 04:02 AM Well, thanks for the explanation, everyone. It does seem in this version (click) that little Sir Hugh was quite dead after being stuck, and was then thrown into a well. Somehow, though, he as able to call for his mother from the well. Child's explanation of the song is fascinating - it's really a very nasty anti-Semitic piece. In some versions, the kid is crucified and disemboweled. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: Pinetop Slim Date: 19 Feb 00 - 08:29 AM Troll: My grandpa used the same kind of weapon to kill pigs in the hills of Kentucky, but grandma was left to do the butchering. The rule was to "use everything but the oink." Slaughtering reached a crueller level in the Azores, a friend tells me. A pig would be made to run through a corral filled with burning hay to singe his bristles off before the butchering. No BLTs today. |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: GUEST,Allan S. Date: 19 Feb 00 - 11:45 AM Just a few corrections I always heard the expression "To bleed like a stuck pig" If someone had a bad cut. THE object of sticking a pig is to get the blood out of the animal before it dies. If not the meat will spoil faster. Or not keep. THe object is to stun the animal so it can be stuck yet allow the heart to keep beating to force to blood out. THe actual process is to sever the Aorta and not th jugular vien. Viens carry blood back to the heart and it moves rather slowly. The Aorta carries the blood from the heart to the arteries to the rest of the body. THus severing the Aorta will caust the animal to bleed out rapidly. As soon as the incision is made the animwl is hoisted up with a block and tackle by the hind legs allowing gravity to aid in the bleeding process. In many cultures the blood is saved to make Blood pudding or blood sausage So the meaning of the line is probably that the children died from loss of blood |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: Troll Date: 19 Feb 00 - 09:45 PM Markf; We put water in a barrel that was buried in the ground at an angle and then heated rocks from the creek. The hot rocks were put into the water to heat it and then the carcasse was slid into the hot water. This loosened the bristles which were then scraped off with butcher knives. As I remember (it's been nearly fifty years) we scalded them after they were bled but before they were gutted. The scraping was the one job we little kids were allowed to help with. troll
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: GUEST,_gargoyle Date: 19 Feb 00 - 10:44 PM It is common in the Phillipines to roast "Leechon." (aka PIG)
These are not the European "sucklings" but fully mature creatures.....(aka PIG)
When the knife if first placed to their throat, they squeal a squeal so real that it is like the human peal of agony from a church steeple.
I encourage you.... please drop by a slaughterhouse....it is marvilous!@!!!
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: Troll Date: 19 Feb 00 - 10:50 PM Gotta' agree with you GG. A trip to a modern slaughterhouse would turn damn near anyone vegan. troll |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: GUEST,_gargoyle Date: 19 Feb 00 - 10:53 PM Troll So happy to see the "legion" gathering |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: Sorcha Date: 19 Feb 00 - 11:01 PM I wanted a jaw-bone several years ago, to make a "give it to the kids for play along". Went to the slaughter house, and asked for one. "HUH?", "Yes, the jaw-bone" HUH? The whole thing?" "Yes, the whole thing" "Lady........." Ended up having to cut it off the skull myself. Got my jaw bone, tho. |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: Troll Date: 19 Feb 00 - 11:02 PM Sorry,GG. I'm an omnivore. After a war and thirty years in the post office,nothing much bothers me anymore. troll |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: GUEST,_gargoyle Date: 19 Feb 00 - 11:08 PM So sorry.....
.................................the human squeal
.........................................................still "thrills" me........
Not that Jaded-Yet...... |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: Brendy Date: 19 Feb 00 - 11:14 PM I had to kill one, one day, with a rather large rock and a 3kg hammer Not the most favourite of pastimes. B. |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: Troll Date: 19 Feb 00 - 11:18 PM Wouldn't advise it. You seem to have a mind. I escaped with most of mine but others have not been so lucky. It is, without a doubt, the most mind-numbing job in the industrial world. Hour after hour, day after day sorting mail.No intellectual stimulation whatsoever. Gradually, all personality and intellect become submerged and what is left is an automaton whose greatest intellectual pasttime is discussing yesterdays Jerry Springer show. Had it not been for music, I too, might have sucumbed. It'll cure you alright. Of thinking. troll |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: Troll Date: 19 Feb 00 - 11:20 PM Only sometimes I'm a teapot. troll |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: DonMeixner Date: 20 Feb 00 - 12:10 AM For anyone who thinks that wild pig hunting with a spear or even a gun is a one sided affair, think again. Besides ferel cats and some large dogs, wild pogs are among the few animals that hunt back. Also, wild pigs are omniverious they eat meat as well as veggies. Hunting boar from horse back wasn't always easy with a spear. A boar spear has a bar cross wise to the point to stop the pig fom charging the length of the spear to get the man at the other end. There have been many a Bush Ranger and farmer in Oz and the southern USA who has learned how mean a wild pig is and not gotten away alive. Never hunted them myself but My Dad knew many Indians on the Reservations he worked on who had. Don |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: Abby Sale Date: 20 Feb 00 - 01:03 AM I've now learned a lot about methods of pig killing. One thing - I doubt there'd be much squeeling if the throat were slit. Joe, I agree that this is one of the most disturbinngly anti-Semetic songs in folkdom. Not all bother me - there's one or two in DigTrad that are important to show in their context. But this one is told & retold as if it were true or had a grain of truth. Stteleye sang a sweet tune version with no explanation (such as Child's) and I complained to them. The perpetration of this particular example of the "Blood Libel" resulted in Jewish deaths. Not nice. As to pig squeels, I can confirm Troll's experience. Walking a San Francisco street in 1959 I heard the clear sounds of a dozen children being horribly tortured. Turned out to be a pig slaughter house three blocks away. Seems they really didn't like being dunked in scalding water while still alive. The claim was it had to be then or the bristles would be lost. Definately unsettling. I can't imagine working there an hour. |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 20 Feb 00 - 03:52 PM Indeed. back in the '70s, I lived opposite the slaughterhouse in Aix-en-Provence for about 9 months. They'd bring truck-loads of pigs in at all hours, and it's a sound I'll not forget. Cows would troop in without protest, as would sheep (the slaughterhouse kept a "Judas Ram", on a lead and trimmed rather like a poodle, to lead them in) but pigs are a lot more intelligent, and they knew fine well that something was terribly wrong. They generally had to be driven in with pointed sticks. One day, a particularly big one got loose and chased one of the "pointed stick" men, who only just escaped being badly bitten. I have to confess to leaning out of my window and cheering the pig: rarely have I received such a black look from another human being! Malcolm |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: Spider Tom Date: 20 Feb 00 - 04:46 PM As the old saying says "There is more than one way to to stick a pig." I would offer the following: In aincient times,village folk would gather together boiling up large pots of glue. This would then be poured upon the cobbled lanes at night. The following morn, they would check for stuck pigs. If any were found to be stuck,they would first be clubbed unconcious,(this would often cause the unfortunate animal to bleed,"like a stuck pig"another old saying) and then slaughtered, cooked and feasted upon. The practice was eventually stopped, as hikers and ramblers were often found stuck as well. Not a pretty tale I'm afraid, but the truth can be ugly. |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: dick greenhaus Date: 20 Feb 00 - 07:15 PM Parenthetically, a large knife is still referred to as a pigsticker in many parts of the country. |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: Mary in Kentucky Date: 20 Feb 00 - 07:38 PM Another parenthetically, I've always heard that pigs (and wild boars) cannot turn their heads...so as long as you stay on your feet, they cannot hurt you. They try to knock you down and then bite your leg off! Also, farmers say that they can "smell" electricity and know within seconds when the electric fence is off. |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: GUEST,LDB Date: 20 Feb 00 - 08:16 PM Joe: Everything that has been said is basically true. I worked in a packing house in the early '50's, making some money to start college. The "pig sticker" stood between two rows of live pigs hanging from a conveyor belt suspended head down by their hind legs, underside first. The sticker had a long, round "knife" that was about two inches thick near the handle, and tapered to a needle-like point. He would stick the pigs in the juggler as they came by, and the blood would run into a gutter, then collected in containers and sold. This, of course, was in the days before there was anything like an animal welfare league. The pigs would start squeeling when they were first hung up, but it became *much* worse when they were stuck. Ocassionally, the pig sticker would catch a cup of fresh, warm blood and drink it. Not the most pleasant memories in the world! LDB |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: John in Brisbane Date: 20 Feb 00 - 09:29 PM I can't watch MASH any more! Notwithstanding the re-runs I read moderately recently that US and British Army doctors use (barely) live pigs to practice their field surgical skills. The pigs are subjected to bullet, grenade and bomb fragment injuries, quickly patched in a MASH and then semt out to battle again for further surgical practice. As we all know pigs are anatomically similar to humans. I dare say I'd squeal a bit if I was stuck. Regards, John |
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Subject: Lyr Add: THE OLD SOW TOOK THE MEASLES^^ From: Art Thieme Date: 21 Feb 00 - 12:13 PM The Old Sow took The Measles traditional--public domain
What shall we do with the old sow's tail?
What shall we do with the sow's insides?
What shall we do with the old sow's feet?
What shall we do with the old sow's eyes?
What shall we do with the old sow's hide?
What shall we do with the old sow's stones?
What shall we do with the old sow's squeal Art Thieme ^^ Click for a different version in the Digital Tradition |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: MMario Date: 21 Feb 00 - 12:24 PM Mary in K -- believe me, even a young pig could damage you quite easily, on your feet or off. And given the size of mature pigs being on your feet is not much of an advantage. I worked with these animals in college, and they are smart and VERY dangerous. I'd rather be up agains a bull any day then an angry sow or boar |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: Troll Date: 21 Feb 00 - 02:22 PM MM, I second that! My Grandfather raised registered Hampshires and we were always very careful around them. The most dangerous were the sows with young. The most docile would turn you into shoestrings if she thought her young were in any sort of danger.And yet, if one were injured or sick, she would allow treatment without a problem. Very smart animals but, as you said,very dangerous when they wanted to be. troll |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: GUEST,_gargoyle Date: 21 Feb 00 - 03:04 PM A cousin works in a USA "pig factory."
It is an amazing opperation. From conception to time of slaughter all occures in the same plant.
While the locals all "know what it is" it is kept under security conditions stricter than many prisons. No photography is permitted. There is great consern that they might be targeted by "animal rights activists." The employees strip, shower, and then don anticeptic suits before going to their jobs, since pigs are succeptible to human diseases; and this also assures the absence of recording devices.
Virtually, everything is scientifically monitored except for the fertilization of the females. There is a narrow window of opportunity for conception, my cousin's job is to usher the females to the boars, day in, day out, nothing sperm meeting eggs.
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: GUEST,_gargoyle Date: 21 Feb 00 - 03:09 PM In the Phillipines the pig is suspended by its hind legs. The juggler is slit and the blood gathered in a wash basin. It is soaped and then shaved with a straight razor, gutted and roasted whole on a bamboo spit and basted with banana leafs dipped in oil, it is a long process begun the night before the celebration. |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: GUEST,_gargoyle Date: 21 Feb 00 - 03:24 PM The Foxfire Book (first one) Eliot Wigginton editor, 1972 Anchor Books
Has nice sections on the American South's methods of "Slaughtering, Curing and Smoking Hogs" with photographs.
"The actual slaughtering is done in late November when the weather turns cold to stay....Most families paid strict attention to the phase the moon was in....Early in the morning of butchering day, the scalding water was readied....Meanwhile, the hog was killed (either by a sharp blow on the head with a rock or axe head, or by shooting it in the back of the head or between the eyes) and its jugular vein (on the left side of the throat about three inches back from the jawbone) pierced immediately. As one described it, "Stick'im right th 'goozle'ere." p. 190 |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: GUEST,Brendy - elsewhere Date: 22 Feb 00 - 03:00 AM There is a story in Co. Clare from years ago, where a man (farmer) was bringing his pigs to market. At one stage he went into the pub for a few jars and a bit of haggling. When he came back out to check on the pigs, the amount of booze, apparently, made him a bit unsteady on the old props! As he was climbing the railings to get into the pen, the story goes, he fell into it, and the pigs, not to make too fine a point of it enjoyed what could be referred to as an early lunch. For the person who was to buy the pigs went up to find yer man, and only could find various bits of masticated farmer. In the story I gave further up the thread, I was minded of this incident as the pig was charging me - Ah, the things we do for food!!!! B. |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: Metchosin Date: 22 Feb 00 - 03:11 AM One of my relatives, his wife and child was murdered up in the Cariboo of B.C. many years ago and the bodies were dumped in the pig pen, or so the police thought. They found a set of false teeth in the sty, so the hired hand that was busily spending their money and flashing their jewlery was only found guilty of theft. True story, but they never made any accounting for what happened to the bones. |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: Crowhugger Date: 22 Feb 00 - 03:18 AM Fundraiser Booklet: everything you never wanted to know about hog slaughter but asked anyhow. |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: Gervase Date: 22 Feb 00 - 09:12 AM Believe me, stuck pigs can SQUEAL - as, indeed, can those who are about to be stuck. When I was a kid I spent a late summer in the Lot area of France on a friend's grandmother's farm, and one night it was decided to slaughter one of the bigger old boars. The pig was put in a halter and walked in darkness from the farm through the streets of the village to the butcher's yard - and as it got closer it obviously twigged what was going to happen. From trotting happily along, as soon as the pig smelled the yard, all four trotters dug into the cobbles and it began to scream horribly; an eerie sound that sets the hairs on the back of your neck on end. What made it even spookier was that the sound was taken up by every other pig in the village in fifty different keys. The screaming continued as the pig was roped around the hind legs and strung up head down on the triangular gallows, and only stopped after the butcher had stuck it through the jugular and wind-pipe (using a German First World War bayonet, and all by the light of kerosene lamps, as I recall). Under the pig was a large pail unto which the blood was run - with the butcher taking care not to let the bucket tip over during the pig's death throes (as it, literally, 'kicked the bucket', and we kids were then given birch twigs to froth up the collected blood to stop it coagulating before it was made into boudins - the local black puddings. As soon as the pig was dead and bled it was cut down and gallons of boiling water poured over it to loosen the bristles, which were then scraped off with a sharpened cart spring before the beast was jointed. It was the most awesomely efficient joint effort, with virtually everyone in the village involved, and the pig converted into joints, offal, suet and what-have-you before dawn; all to the accompaniment of huge amounts of wine, eau de vie, singing, carousing and jollity. It was a scene straight out of Breughel, except that this was just 30 years ago. Very un-PC, of course, but that's what farming used to be like almost everywhere. And the chitterlings and grilled ears were delicious. |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: Peg Date: 22 Feb 00 - 10:43 AM the less said about factory farming and animal husbandry the better... I too am an omnivore after several years of being a vegetarian...but I seek out animal products from companies that treat their animals humanely *while they are alive*...I do not have a problem with slaughtering an animal for food (I grew up in a household where ny dad hunted or fished for our dinner much of the time) but I believe we need to acknowledge the animal's sacrifice for us, and think the degrading, deplorable conditions on big agribusiness farms would sicken anyone who knew of them...not to mention the hormones and chemicals and bacteria endemic in these places which end up making humans sick over the long haul... everyone, if you care about this, vote with your dollar and create a demand for humanely-raised animal products from smaller farms...the prices will go down if the demand is there...anyway, your health and peace of mind should be paramount... also, about wild boars: the Learning Channel (or maybe Discovery Channel) had an excellent special called In Pursuit of the Boar, about wild boars who still roam the forests of France (the European boars are extinct most everywhere else; South America and the US have their javelinas and peccaries)...apparently these guys are actually very shy and, while they would put up a good fight if cornered, generally will do anything to avoid contact with humans...
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: Joe Offer Date: 22 Feb 00 - 04:32 PM You know, the pigs are certainly coming out on the wrong end of the stick in this thread. I sure got enlightened, though. You guys posted some really interesting stuff (and some really gross stuff, too). I think we need to stick up for the pig every once in a while (uh...sorry). Maybe a chorus of "Tails and Trotters" would be appropriate at this juncture - Click here for a look at this great song. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: GUEST,Brendy - in the mountains Date: 23 Feb 00 - 01:24 PM One thing I did witness - still on things piggy - was an uncle of mine, one Sunday as I was visiting him. He had about seven little pigs in a multiple 'triangular gallows'. I hadn't realised what he was doing; when I asked him he said he was 'dressing' the pigs. He was cutting little things off each side of the underbelly, and throwing them out the door to the waiting dogs, who supposedly thought that Christmas had come early. Any guesses what my uncle was doing???? Don't call me...... |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: Songster Bob Date: 23 Feb 00 - 02:08 PM We should call this thread "All You Ever Wanted to Know About Hog Butchering (and Aren't You Sorry You Asked?)" Bob Clayton |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: Troll Date: 23 Feb 00 - 02:11 PM Brendy, I sure can. I helped my Grandfather do it manys the time. Used to help ring their noses too. troll |
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Subject: Jack Orion From: GUEST,gef Date: 27 Aug 01 - 11:25 PM Anyone know a thing of the song Jack Orion? Can find nothing beyond the Jansch & Pentangle recordings. Web seemingly bereft of info. Would love a bit of history. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jack Orion From: masato sakurai Date: 27 Aug 01 - 11:47 PM Click here in Henry's Songbook.
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jack Orion From: masato sakurai Date: 27 Aug 01 - 11:53 PM Rahter, go first to this thread in DT.
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jack Orion From: GUEST,gef Date: 28 Aug 01 - 12:04 AM Cheers! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jack Orion From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 28 Aug 01 - 08:02 AM For A.L. Lloyd's own comments on Jack Orion, which he re-wrote from the old ballad Glasgerion, see this past discussion: Jack O'Rian the Fiddler [sic]
Has anybody else noticed that the (unnamed) tune that Lloyd set his re-working to is pretty clearly the same one used by Andy Stewart for Donald, Where's Your Troosers? |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: GUEST,Leechon Date: 10 Mar 05 - 11:34 AM But, but, ... My name is Leechon, who can tell me why it has the same name whit mine? Er... big surprise, big fun |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: GUEST Date: 10 Mar 05 - 11:37 AM But, but, ... My name is Leechon, who can tell me why it has the same name like me? Er... big surprise, big fun |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: leechon Date: 10 Mar 05 - 11:43 AM But, but, ... My name is Leechon, who can tell me why it has the same name like me? Er... big surprise, big fun |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: kendall Date: 10 Mar 05 - 03:16 PM I had a cruel neighbor who would stroke the pigs neck and ears, and when the poor thing was half awake, he would take a razor sharp knife, slit its throat and it would run around until its blood was drained. Most of the neighbors would shoot it between the eyes or behind the ear with a .22 rifle, then cut its throat. One guy used a 45/70 but he lost a lot of meat that way. |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: Cromdubh Date: 10 Mar 05 - 03:26 PM Somebody told me pork is the closest thing to human flesh. That´s why cannibals called sailers long pigs. Also heard some firemen or anyone who have had the misfortune of getting the smell of burnt human flesh, cannot stand the smell of pork. It reminds them of it. Also certain religions traditions of avoiding pig meat is simply due to in the hot climates where the religions orginated, keeping pork without refringeration was dangerous and many died of food poisioning. It was a practical thing more than anything else. |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: open mike Date: 10 Mar 05 - 03:38 PM trichinosis-- you can also get it from eating improperly cooked bear meat. |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: GUEST,Mingulay at work Date: 11 Mar 05 - 07:17 AM I know what he was doing Brendy and it is very civilised compared with a farmer I knew years ago who bit them off. The dogs still benefitted. |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: Flash Company Date: 11 Mar 05 - 07:27 AM During WW2 the local miller kept pigs, and I remember as a child hearing the squeals from a quarter of a mile away when they killed one. There is a saying that you can use every part of a pig except it's squeal. We used to keep pigs at a place I worked at after leaving school, very sociable animals, with a mind of their own. One got out one day. and headed down the main road towards Middlewich, We had some difficulty in getting her to come back. The interesting thing was, after resisting like fury and squealing the place down, when the awkward squad stopped their efforts to get their second wind, She suddenly quietly wallked up the ranmp into the back of the van and looked round as if to say 'Was that what you wanted?' FC |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: Tannywheeler Date: 11 Mar 05 - 02:58 PM The person who coined the phrase "dumb animal" was him/herself dumber than dirt. Tw |
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Subject: RE: Enlighten me - stuck pig? From: HiHo_Silver Date: 11 Mar 05 - 05:16 PM Re Post From Guest LDB: His method of butchering was banned long long ago and I doubt very much if he is old enough to remember such a method much less take part in it. It was long before my time and I'm well on the wrong side of the hill. I have been involved in butchering from my childhood. A pig cannot squeal when lifted up by the hind legs. Hence the reason for transporting them through the slaughter house in this fashion. Also the reason for holding little pigs upside down when castrating them. The little things cut out as mentioned in an earlier post,. It HURTS!!!!! make no mistake about it, but the little thing cannot squeal until it is let down. By that time it is a bit to late to squeal about it. |
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Subject: jack orion From: GUEST,RJM Date: 10 Aug 23 - 04:01 AM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaPdFvk5e08 |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jack Orion From: Joe Offer Date: 10 Aug 23 - 04:35 AM RJM, you have been around Mudcat over 20 years, long enough that you know that it isn't appreciated when you post only a link - especially when you don't say anything about it, and that you make no effort to find an existing thread on a song. We're doing song research here, but I haven't figured out what you're trying to do - self-promotion, perhaps? Name dropping? Whatever it is, you do nobody any help. -Joe Offer- |
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