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Subject: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: GUEST Date: 09 Mar 00 - 07:09 PM To the ''G'' man: ...You have fans here. We want to join your alternative Mudcat Forum, where we can be free of the useless droppings masquerading as intelligent posts on what was once a great forum but has become a shadow of it's former self in the past months. ...now where is my cane?...and where is MBO's naked ass? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Amos Date: 09 Mar 00 - 07:22 PM Creative. I am impressed! When you are your own fan club, do you have to listen to their advice? Horseshit is brown So is a cow I used to be schizo, But we're fine now... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 09 Mar 00 - 07:24 PM Full blown might be about right. There's a kind of expanding toad I read about somewhere. Sometimes it overdoes itself and explodes. Messy, but... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: GUEST Date: 09 Mar 00 - 07:24 PM ...hmm and you were going to be one of the ones invited to join, Amiss... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: wysiwyg Date: 09 Mar 00 - 07:29 PM I know this is a futile request, but do we have to make nasty in anyone's direction? Isn't there already enough flung unintentionally that we don't have to do it as entertainment? Never mind. It's only enough to make me pray. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: GUEST Date: 09 Mar 00 - 07:29 PM McGrath, pour youself another shot of whisky, and forget whatever it was you were trying to remember. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 09 Mar 00 - 07:40 PM Alright, Praise - I'll try and give up being nasty for Lent. Tough one that. Nice if it caught on. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Joe Offer Date: 09 Mar 00 - 07:48 PM I can't see any good coming out of a thread like this. I'd suggest we leave it alone and let it die. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: GUEST Date: 09 Mar 00 - 07:49 PM Praise, I promise not to flame you, as long as you continue to braid your hairy armpits, daily. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: GUEST Date: 09 Mar 00 - 07:52 PM ...yes Joe, but there are those of us who actually admire the guy, at least for his vast musical knowledge, and his acutely acidic wit, which can at times get a little ''edgy''. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: GUEST,Lorne S. Date: 09 Mar 00 - 09:24 PM Frankly I know it's probably death to criticize the current power group here, but is there NOBOBY ELSE who is really sad to see just how far things have plummetted here in the last few months? Even the interesting threads are invaded almost immediately by the same ego driven people, and it just drives the rest away. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: GUEST Date: 09 Mar 00 - 09:35 PM ..Lorne I whole heartedly agree..
I am now going to work on my lathe and craft you a pearl handled, solid rosewood cane with the initials M.B.O. engraved on it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Joe Offer Date: 09 Mar 00 - 09:38 PM Well the registration thing is between Gargoyle and Max, and it's for them to work it out. Gargoyle knows Max's phone number. A petition campaign isn't going to make any difference. All that needs to happen is for Max and Gargoyle to talk about it. As for the rest of it, well, I think things have settled down a bit, and I'd like them to stay that way. Yeah, there IS a lot of stuff posted here that I don't care for, but at least it isn't as bad as it has been at times. There are a couple of threads going right now where certain people on both sides of the issue are just itching to cause trouble. Most of the 'Catters have become smart enough to not take the bait, and I wish the rest of 'em would wise up. If somebody says something nasty or obnoxious, just ignore it. I'd rather put up with frivolous messages, rather than having another messy flame war. So, would everybody please just cool it? If you believe so strongly in talking about music, then go talk about music. There's lots of research to be done around here, lots of tunes to be added to threads, lots of background information to be added. Thanks. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Bill in Alabama Date: 09 Mar 00 - 10:22 PM Thanks, Joe-- I agree enthusiastically. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Mbo Date: 09 Mar 00 - 10:30 PM What did I ever do to deserve this? --Mbo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: GUEST,_gargoyle Date: 09 Mar 00 - 10:42 PM Nope.....I can sincerly say......
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Bill D Date: 09 Mar 00 - 10:59 PM pooh! look here...2 numbers.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Bill D Date: 09 Mar 00 - 11:01 PM now post YOUR phone # |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: GUEST Date: 09 Mar 00 - 11:11 PM Meebo, we are sick to death of your morose lyrics, your self patronization, your lafkat-like addiction to posting ANYTHING just to see your name in white light, your wining and complaining about your lack-of-a-love-life, your constantly reminding us of how brilliant you are academically and how at the end of the day there's just no time to do anything except become another online cyber-psychotic junkie.
..Why don't you do the rest of us a favour and just move in with LafKat and Sorcha, and be their resident pet? I'm sure between the three of you, there'd be one full set of teeth, and a 1/4 of a brain. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: GUEST Date: 09 Mar 00 - 11:17 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: GUEST,The real conscience of Mudcat Date: 09 Mar 00 - 11:21 PM Meebo made the mistake of asking: WHY?
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: catspaw49 Date: 10 Mar 00 - 12:06 AM Well let's get back to the original post here....you remember...Garg?....full blown member?.........Yeah, that's it. I suppose if he likes that kind of thing, a lot of men do, then he should have a full blown member. I doubt that we're going to get many volunteers around here, but maybe we can take up some kind of collection or something if we were guaranteed it would improve his mood. Maybe its something we could put in the auction. "Little Stone Putz putz"...Naw, sounds like a Rambler. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: GUEST Date: 10 Mar 00 - 12:12 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: catspaw49 Date: 10 Mar 00 - 12:18 AM I actually prefer buffoon to clown. Clowning requires training and intelligence, neither of which is required for buffoonery and I'm inherently lazy, which doesn't speak well for possums either. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: katlaughing Date: 10 Mar 00 - 12:35 AM Can't take near as much energy as hunting us down, huh, Spaw? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Jon Freeman Date: 10 Mar 00 - 12:40 AM A couple of mths ago, there was all sorts of nastiness going and it died down. It seems to me that recently there have been attempts to refresh old shit like arguements over the BS threads and the the use of the term. I can only view this thread as another part of that type of shit - can't people smarten up and ignore. Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: GUEST,The true conscience of Mudcat Date: 10 Mar 00 - 12:40 AM ...oh, but you're worth it Lafkatt..whatever energy is required to drive you away from this place, is energy well spent.
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: GUEST,_Gargoyle's Possum Date: 10 Mar 00 - 12:41 AM I do! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Amos Date: 10 Mar 00 - 12:54 AM Hey, Garg...I gather you have at least half a brain, but you're locked into a corner here. No jopy to be had in this configuration, if you see what I mean... Tell ya what...if ye ever want to tell anyone what you're really angry about -- and it sure isn't any of what you're whining about -- let me know. When you feel like getting honest. Really. I'd be glad to listen. But all this crap is just a bore, cuz neither end of the conversation is true, nor amusing. CIao ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Max Date: 10 Mar 00 - 12:54 AM OK, gargoyle, you got it. I tried to give your membership back months ago, but you apparently never got my message. Your tactics are crude, you are often inappropriate and rude, and I obviously cannot ever agree with you for the simple fear that anyone would think that your type of efforts could or should be effective, but you are undoubtedly a knowledgeable member of our community. My motive for your membership? People want to be able to talk to you… and as ambiguous as I may seem here, my sole function is to facilitate that… because that is what The Mudcat is all about. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: catspaw49 Date: 10 Mar 00 - 01:02 AM LMAO.......I love it. So Max, can you fix up all his guests too? Won't it be nice for the boy to get Personal Messages again??? And now the auction thing is far more doable!!! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Max Date: 10 Mar 00 - 01:13 AM Membership for everyone! If you whackos get off on this negative crap, all the power to ya. Better ya'll do it in personal messages than in the forum. I better prepare for more "I feel threatened by a Mudcat member" messages. Oh, well, better me than everyone right? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: GUEST,The True Conscience of Mudcat Date: 10 Mar 00 - 01:17 AM Jon,
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: GUEST,The True Conscience of Mudcat Date: 10 Mar 00 - 01:28 AM ....look.....just think of us as the resident Don Rickles, and all of you are the straight men in the act. We, will provide the much needed comic (albeit dark)relief around here...sort of a Mudcat Drudge Report on an occassional basis, or when things need a little stirring up.Those who continue to dominate the tone of this Forum with off topic and useless posts will obviously be prime first draft, targets. Adios |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Jon Freeman Date: 10 Mar 00 - 01:31 AM Hey GG or who ever you are, let's make it clear that there have been some of GG's musical posts that I have enjoyed and although I have been involved in both IQC and Hearme as a means of assisting on the more communal side of things (and I'm sorry if ICQ troubes you, I have made some great friends, all with a common love of music through that side of MC and I make no aplology for that). I will happilly have further conversation with you or anyone else although it must be remembered that I am nothing more than another member of MC. My email address is jonbanjo@freeuk.com Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: alison Date: 10 Mar 00 - 02:26 AM ICQ and hearme have their uses... they are taking a lot of the "chat" out of the forum....... that is what some people want isn't it?........ Leaves more room for music ....if anyone ever started a music thread. I'm glad GG got his membership back, because I don't believe he is ALL the guests that people think he is. He usually owns up to his comments. slainte alison
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Ritchie Date: 10 Mar 00 - 06:38 AM Hey , I don't know much about history, don't know much about biology. Don't know much about the science books and certainly don't know much about the french I took... but I certainly do like the music of Sam Cooke and also whilst I'm on the subject Otis Redding...mm they are a miss but at least they left a legacy which can never be bettered... copied yes but bettered no. Welcome back big G Ritchie
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: GUEST,Bill in Alabama (on another machine) Date: 10 Mar 00 - 10:08 AM I, too, am glad to see your membership restored, G., and I'm proud that you're back among us. Bill |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Mbo Date: 10 Mar 00 - 10:38 AM Garg, you should come over to Hearme on Sunday nights! ALL MUSIC!!! Just your kinda thing! You'd love it! And you could maybe play us some of that boogie-woogie piano you're working on? C'mon! Join the fun! --Mbo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: M. Ted (inactive) Date: 10 Mar 00 - 10:44 AM And now things are back to normal...or are they? It makes me wonder what about what was really happening in that whole cookie fiaso...oops, I missed the med cart again.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: catspaw49 Date: 10 Mar 00 - 11:12 AM First Ted, someone needs to define normal. It won't be me because I never have been and I personally don't see the point in worrying about it, so...........Grab some pills from the guy in the next bed and keep us posted on the quarter tone harmonics thing or whatever you are calling it. You've got me interested in hearing more. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: annamill Date: 10 Mar 00 - 12:43 PM alison, I have long felt this way. GG can be mean but he is certainly no coward. He has always owned up to his messages. I don't remember, until just recently, him being so, oh I don't know what the word would be, creepy. He always signed. I think someone is allowing us to blame GG. I even remember one time GG fully denied being the culprit. I'm glad he's back too. I've always respected his knowledge, and now I've learned to take his railing with a grain of salt. (Sorry I'm speaking of you in the third, GG, but you never answer me) Love, annap |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Lonesome EJ Date: 10 Mar 00 - 02:04 PM I agree that the real gargoyle is preferable to the pseudo-gargoyles that are proliferating, unless of course they are all actually the same gargoyle. Here's my view on the real gargoyle- he's like the old guy with the propeller beanie who sits on the park bench talking to himself. Occasionally he makes enough sense that he catches your attention, then he'll suddenly shout an obscenity at a passer-by, or wretch and spit on the sidewalk. A rather quaint curiosity, but one whose company most would not care to keep, unless you go to the Fair for the Freak Show rather than the Roller Coaster. But he is a resident of this rather strange little cyber-village, unlike the miniature gargoyle-pretenders who straggle through. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 10 Mar 00 - 04:38 PM "GG can be mean but he is certainly no coward. He has always owned up to his messages."
The trouble is, how could anyone tell? If he or she really wanted all this time to get back in as a cookie-ised member, what stopped she or he from just clocking in with a different identity?
And those aren't questions really looking for answers. And as for "certainly no coward" - I think that saying umpleasant things about other people to get attention is cowardly behaviour. Which isn't to say he or she is a coward, we all fall down sometimes, both on the net and in real life.
But couldn't all that kind of stuff be conducted via private messages now? No more "I hate so and so" messages on the threads. No more tiny printed remarks, or oversized bellows. No more attempts to impose things on other people by force, invective and general unpleasntness. Please, please, please. But please don't send me any of the personal messages...
And if that's not on offer, roll on the "Alternative Mudcat Forum", and I hope all the Gs have a great time there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: GUEST,The Beanster Date: 10 Mar 00 - 11:12 PM Amen to that. And my own 2 cents: Being new here, I don't know who this person is, nor do I care but what I do know is that to address a grievance using a rude, aggressive, mean-spirited approach is to announce to the world, "I am narcissistic, immature, cynical and insecure." Charming. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: annamill Date: 11 Mar 00 - 01:26 PM McGrath of Harlow, you're assuming GG did all those things but I remember when he was a member, before he was outed, he was still vindictive, but he never hid. That's why he was outed! And I supported his being outed. We can't be sure, all we can do is give him the benefit for now. You don't know those GUEST, TTCM belong to him. Max, can you? I'm for giving him one more chance because he does contribute and he has knowledge. Love, annap
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 11 Mar 00 - 02:03 PM No, I make no assumptions about who among our anonymous visitors are the same as others. Most GUESTS are ok people who've surfed in and are interested in where they've come, or have other reasons for not wanting cookies. Some are pains in the arse. I don't assume there's only one pain inn the arse around.
"By their fruits shall you know them." If I'd produced the kind of fruit that has been displayed under the name in question, I'd turn over a new leaf, apologise, take on a new name to show I meant it, and hope people forgot about the old one.
And then I'd try to contribute useful and interesting musical gobbets, and cut out the sneers and insults and the trying to impose my wishes on other people. First rule of eating in public, "Don't spit in the soup". Most people find it very easy to comply with that one.
Here is a link to a song about this kind of behaviour. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Micca Date: 11 Mar 00 - 02:08 PM I wasn't sure from the thread title if this was an appeal for membership or for a prosthesis, but I agree with annap, restore his membership but that it should be on a 2 strikes and you 're out basis, personal attacks from behind the guest label or any other way are pathetic and have no place here, I scroll right over them, without reading. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Amos Date: 11 Mar 00 - 02:13 PM So, Garg, do you feel full-blown yet? Or are you just kinda limp with it all...? I thought you were in SD -- but your white page entry shows LB...which is it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: GUEST,The True Conscience of Mudcat (TTCM) Date: 11 Mar 00 - 03:04 PM Amiss, we say again, we are NOT _gargoyle...but we are very amused by the turn of events in his membership being restored, and if he should decide to capitalize on Max's generosity, then ''we'' will of course be able to communicate with him privately. As for communicating with you privately, perhaps when you are privledged and we, are desperate. [TTLC - who are NOT _gargoyle, nor presume to speak for him.] |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Amos Date: 11 Mar 00 - 03:10 PM Funny -- you spell a lot like him...why not step forward as an honest human being and say what you have to say in a way people might be willing to hear, rather than this self-defeating irritant costume? Doesn't make much sense to me, actually, but then I don't have very much trouble communicating. Maybe you're just pathologically unsure of who you really are? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Rick Fielding Date: 11 Mar 00 - 05:02 PM Lordy, Lordy, didn't think I'd venture into this thread, but it's been a slow day here in Toronto (no gig, no baseball on the tube yet, Duckboots ensconsed in her easy chair with 5 library books) so what the heck. Amos, don't let him get to ya. Brilliant tho' he is (I can attest that some of his posts have been wickedly funny) he goes through these periods when he just HAS to make mischief. He appears to really know his way around a computer (I'm totally computer ignorant, so perhaps I'm not the person to venture an opinion on that) and he'll go to any lengths to shake things up. I'm not even convinced anymore that his anti-semitic rants or Bible babbling is legit. I think he most definitely DOES use several guises (including denying it's him) 'cause he threatened to do that months ago when we revoked his cookie. His message has always been simple (he feels that some folks abuse Mudcat by overposting, and clogging threads with non-music chat, hence driving knowledgable people away) and if he didn't resort to sheer nastiness so often, he'd have a lot more support. He's definitely a troubled soul....but as I've suggested to a few others, "Just be glad he doesn't move in next door"! Rick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: catspaw49 Date: 11 Mar 00 - 06:19 PM Hmmmm.......Yeah, that's all true Rick, but I think Amos does kinda' live next door to him!!!! Literally. Amos has proven himself knowledgable and perhaps Garg would like someone to share a cup of morning coffee with occasionally. Or perhaps they could provide audience for each other's thoughts or playing. Maybe they could get together and play a couple to send to Max to use on the radio....and some pictures to boot. Gee, its odd that we have only seen the dipstick, half-ass, dumbshit, cowardly, and pathetic "Guests" since Garg's re-instatement and not the real thing. Evidently being blown has taken a lot out of him or something...... Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 11 Mar 00 - 06:42 PM Well, if Rick says the fella is brilliant, that must be true. But I've been around since November or so, and I've seen a whole lot of posts with the name on it, and I don't think there's been a single one that is memorable for anything apart from being nasty.
Maybe it's a case of Invasion of the Bodysnatchers , and the "real" one who was evidently writing some ok stuff before I arrived has been disposed of and replaced by something rather more unsavoury. Or maybe it's his sick little brother? Or some kind of Multiple Personality Disorder?
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: GUEST,TTCM Date: 11 Mar 00 - 06:55 PM Gentlemen, one more time (with feeling)we are not Gargoyle...simply admirers of his wit and are able to emulate his style of HTML....nor, are we neighbors of A-Miss. We are however pleased at his reinstatement for membership.
We continue to be highly amused at your collective insistence that we are in fact Gargoyle, and we are sure that the real Gargoyle is equally amused.
McGrath, perhaps you would like a copy of our latest book entitled |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 11 Mar 00 - 07:05 PM I quote myself:
"No, I make no assumptions about who among our anonymous visitors are the same as others. Most GUESTS are ok people who've surfed in and are interested in where they've come, or have other reasons for not wanting cookies. Some are pains in the arse. I don't assume there's only one pain in the arse around." Our last GUEST appears to have confirmed that I was correct in my assumption. There seems no reason to disbelieve what he or she says. (Mind, no reason to belive it either - more important, who gives a monkey's either way.)
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: catspaw49 Date: 11 Mar 00 - 07:12 PM Brilliant is maybe over the line, but some of his most outlandish have been attempts at humor, and some (one the other night) are really hilarious. Problem.Some of the ones that he probably considers his funniest are so incredibly vile, wicked, below the belt, evil...whatever...that they can only be considered to be the product of a complete asshole. That's pathetic and a shame, because his knowledge is fine. I've said before, he's like a crazed hermit who lives outside of town. Every now and again he comes in to the local library and checks out some advanced reading material, drops by the store and grumbles at everything, sometimes with intelligence, sometimes with humor. Then he gathers up his things and goes out on the square and begins to rant obscenely and with great malice at all who pass within his line of sight. He then launches into his personal bigoted favorites. He becomes more and more putrid and vile until he runs out of steam and heads off for his cave and his home brew. The locals tend to keep forgiving him for everything because they remember and respect what he may know (after all he goes to the library). This is analagous to keeping a Coral Snake for a pet. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 11 Mar 00 - 07:44 PM You say asshole, I say arsehole. Somehow the European spelling (though I believe the Aussies use it too) has more pungency, I always feel.
And I grant you, if one accepts that the term is valid, it implies a useful function for the person in question. But not one that includes saying much you'd want to listen to.
There was a famous cartoon in the Great War - two Tommys sitting in a shellhole, and one is fed up at the other complaining: "If you know of a better 'ole, go to it". I always feel that is a message that is very applicable in the present case. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Den Date: 11 Mar 00 - 09:46 PM Hi Alison. Den |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Rick Fielding Date: 11 Mar 00 - 11:49 PM Damn, sucked in again! Ya know McGrath, you may be right. I'm going back a year and a half, and perhaps my mind is playing tricks on me. ('course I thought Catspaw was brilliant as well...so that may be the problem!) Guess it depends on what yer idea of humour and wit is. My favourite TV show of the last few years (AbFab) is universally loathed by most. My favourite comedian is Stephen Wright. My fav film is Spinal Tap. My idea of wit is anything said in jest by Quentin Crisp.....and some of the things that GG would say (between the nasties) struck me the same way. Shame really. Good irony is in short supply these days (even from a psychopath). But Paw...What's this about Amos living next to GG? I know I havent been around here as much lately, but am I being had? Is Amos GG? Huh? Inquiring minds just gots to know! Rick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Amos Date: 12 Mar 00 - 01:30 AM Jesus, Rick! Puhleeze! LOL!! It's just that he is reputed to live in either San Diego, where I am, or Long Beach, about 75 miles north of here... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Helen Date: 12 Mar 00 - 03:47 AM Now Amos, can you *really* prove you aren't a multiple personality edition of GG?? (BWG - big wicked grin) Helen |
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Subject: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member? From: MandolinPaul Date: 12 Mar 00 - 10:56 AM How many threads do we need to devote to an abusive arsehole? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: wysiwyg Date: 12 Mar 00 - 11:34 AM You know, I was thinking that too (what Paul said). But maybe this thread represents an opportunity for people who have been too close to a fire, in the past, to notice that they have learned quite a bit about dealing with fire. Maybe things that were intolerable before have become manageable. I don't know, I wasn't here when the "history" of all this occurred. And I know some of the people who were there, aren't now. But I have seen this phenomenon before, and I think I see it happening again. There are no guarantees on this earth of safety, either physical or emotional. We all have the choice to be here or not be here, if we are uncomfortable for any reason. But then neutrality is so ingrained in me; as I've said, I have been known to pray for the devil himself, although I don't ask him to dinner. But I would point out that since joining, the whole Gargoyle thing has been pretty confusing to one who was not there when "IT" happened. It has to feel that way to other newbies when they read this thread, although maybe even this one, with all the half-said stuff, has helped paint a picture however fuzzy. As for me, I just decided the best course was to take each posting at face value, guided by discernment; any of us can go freakie anytime you know, and we all change each day in some way. The trick is to be HERE when we're here, and not some otherplace or otherwhen. As a new member, I would prefer to see a decisive approach taken-- someone is in or is out. If someone is in, and if that makes a problem, then there are remedies open to us all not only here at the Mudcat but in the 3D world as well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 12 Mar 00 - 12:46 PM One of the clever tricks of the Mudcat is this: when you click on someone's name after the "From" at the top of each post, up comes a list of all that person's previous posts.
It's a bit frightening really - the Recording Angel notes it all down ready for the Day of Judgement - that silly thing you posted when you were a bit drunk and thoroughly pissed off - it's there in black and white, to be read by anybody.
But of course, that only works when someone is a member, not a GUEST. So it's not readily possible to chase up previous postings by the person in question, in recent times, following his rustication. This means it's impossible for newcomers really to see what kind of stuff he has said, and the context in which he has said it. That cuts both ways - any nastiness is hidden, and so is any alleged brilliance.
But anyway as I said, there's no way in this medium of knowing for certain whether anyone is the same person two times running.
So Praise, you are right - it's best to take people as they come, and let the past drift away. But be ready to have some nasty post about you some time, when you aren't expecting it and don't deserve it. Maybe it won't happen, but even if it does, it's really a pretty minor irritation. Offer it up, as they say. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: katlaughing Date: 12 Mar 00 - 12:50 PM McGrath, one can go the the Quick Links, click on Forum Search, and enter any name in the appropriate box and read all of that member's postings, including one's prior to one becoming a non-member. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: wysiwyg Date: 12 Mar 00 - 02:01 PM McGrath-- I got you. And there also are many laps here to soothe a scorch. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Barky Date: 12 Mar 00 - 05:07 PM I'm sorry to intrude, TTCM, but I must know, why do you insist on calling my father Amiss? Granted, it may sound similar to my father's true name of Amos, but I must assure you here and now that there is absolutely NOTHING amiss about my father. In fact, he is probably one of the most error-free people you'll ever meet. If you care to challenge that fact, please e-mail me. It's been a long, hard day already, and I'm pissy enough to be in the mood for a challenge, other than a sports challenge. My email is: ariel@san.rr.com Hope to hear from you soon, gargoyle. Ooops... I mean TTCM ~Barky |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Amos Date: 12 Mar 00 - 05:22 PM Wow! Now the G is in doodoo deep -- I can tell you from long experience, a pissy Barky is not something to messy withy! I feel I should also add the above is unsolicited and surprises me. Thanks, milady! I am honored! :>)) A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 12 Mar 00 - 05:22 PM Good on yer, Barky! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Barky Date: 12 Mar 00 - 05:27 PM Thanks, McGrath.... but, dad?? "Messy withy"? Might I ask what that is? ~Barky |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: catspaw49 Date: 12 Mar 00 - 05:27 PM Ya' done good Amos........ Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Amos Date: 12 Mar 00 - 05:34 PM I was adding y's to resonate with the form of "pissy" and "Barky"...no extra meaning...except that it kinda makes you want to take ALL the y's back off again, making "piss Bark not someone to mess with" which is really sidesplittingly funny if you are an underdeveloped four year old... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: catspaw49 Date: 12 Mar 00 - 05:38 PM The line for underdeveloped 4 year olds atarts behind Amos and myself. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 12 Mar 00 - 05:42 PM O cursed be to the bitter withy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Barky Date: 12 Mar 00 - 06:02 PM Now now, daddy-o. I am certainly not an under-developed 4 year old, and I found that quite humorous. Hey... wait a minute.... OH NO!!!!! I AM an underdevoloped four year old! NOOOOO!!! ~Barky |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Crowhugger Date: 12 Mar 00 - 06:21 PM Dear Max and Joe: I guess I've been hoping you'd wave your technowand and vanish this thread. Some flames call for a fire extinguisher when the box of baking soda just doesn't smother it. Maybe this is one of those flames and maybe not. I just wish it was. I'll go back and chat about music now. Cheers, guys. $0.02 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: ddw Date: 12 Mar 00 - 08:15 PM 'Spaw, I'm just crushed. I tho't a man of your standing would at least go for fully developed four-year-olds. And now you're getting Amos hooked on it too? LOL david |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Mbo Date: 12 Mar 00 - 08:25 PM Hey, Barky's no underdeveloped 4 year old! I'd like to show me a 4 year old who can write songs like her! --Mbo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: catspaw49 Date: 12 Mar 00 - 08:27 PM hehhehhehhehhehhehhehhehhehheh ................. hey lil girl .......hehhehhhehhhehhhehhheh ........ wanna meet Barney ......... hehhehhehhehhehhehheh............... Spaw (DOM) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: GUEST,Another conscience... Date: 12 Mar 00 - 08:31 PM Our dear Emmbo has gone 'Barking' mad I'll wager..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: ddw Date: 12 Mar 00 - 08:34 PM Just what purple thing are you passing off as Barney, 'Spaw? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Barky Date: 12 Mar 00 - 08:56 PM DDW: you're disgusting.... No, wait.... I'll just pretend I didn't understand the sexual undertones in that joke.... Mbo: this is why you're so cool. 'Spaw? You're just strange. In a good way of course! =0) ~Barky |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: GUEST,_gargoyle Date: 12 Mar 00 - 09:32 PM The "Laugh-Cat" can always bring a spark from me...
To paraphrase her:
Read the "Laugh-Cat's" MUSICAL POSTINGS
Compare them to the "Gargoyle" AKA "gargoyle" AKA"GUEST_gargoyle" postings and you will discover >>>>>
Who Should Stay and Who Should Go!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Bill D Date: 12 Mar 00 - 09:40 PM katlaughing is singing songs and sharing music with others even as I type.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: catspaw49 Date: 12 Mar 00 - 10:07 PM ......and da' Garg ain't joined up! So what's what? Thank you Bill!!! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Amos Date: 12 Mar 00 - 10:12 PM Garg, you're not making sense. Why should either of exclude the other? What am I missing here? You get your buttons pushed so bad you can't even talk about it, huh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: GUEST,Another conscience.... Date: 12 Mar 00 - 10:27 PM "Can you hear me?""Yes I can and you are brilliant. I loved that song. Thank you for that." "NO! Thank youuuu, 'cos I think youuuu're brilliant." "Weeeeeeellllll! Thank you for thanking me thanking you, and while we're at it, anybody got any friends we can help into an early grave by my, er... I meant our incredibly greatvibesthatkanthelpbuthelppeoplecoswearebrilllliantandsensitivephoalks. Thank you all for your understandingandsolidarity |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Amos Date: 12 Mar 00 - 10:34 PM OK, ok... I get yer point. Ever occur to you they might actually mean what they're saying? Or do you require the veto on all Licenses to Communicate where you come from? There's an easier way to handle communication that seems weird to you... which is let it go by. You gonna wrassle with every different kind of message you don't like? Sheeshe, you are carvng out a tiring and futile career, mate. It won't better your experience, and it won't better anyone else's. It certainly won't get your insight acknowledged and lauded, whichelsewhere applied, it might deserve. Choosing targets is less profitable than producing wise or knwoledgeable communications of your own..but this requires a maturity, not just hot fried brains... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: GUEST,ddw Date: 12 Mar 00 - 10:44 PM Turn down your flamethrowers, guys — there's nobody left in that bunker. david |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Amos Date: 12 Mar 00 - 10:47 PM Nicely put, david... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: GUEST,TTCM Date: 12 Mar 00 - 11:09 PM Barky, we sardonically refer to Dad as Amiss because he has proven he can take it, as well as dish it out.
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: GUEST,Facilitator Date: 12 Mar 00 - 11:25 PM he really has gone too far If gargoyle rejoined, he would get a lot of messages,and he may not be ready for that, but if you should wish to contact him, it is not hard. Go to 'quick links' and go to the search link. Now enter 'golgart' in the name box. Read the 7 or 8 posts. Now go to Switchboard and enter the name the name you found in your search there, with CA as the state. Yes, Amos, Long Beach is correct. Then go to Altavista and enter the name. This gives an address and occupation. You can now write or call gg at home or at work.(DO be careful to speak politely) Or, if you are near, drive by and ask him if that burr under his saddle is not getting sore. This all public domain information, much of which gg provided himself before he knew he wanted to play these games. Oh, yes- here is a map which may help If one wishes to be an anonymous crank, a name like 'John Smith' would be a lot handier, huh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Amos Date: 13 Mar 00 - 12:27 AM Thanks, Fac...dunno what I would want to do with it, but it's nice to see the technology being put top good use. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: KingBrilliant Date: 13 Mar 00 - 07:51 AM Now that really is sinister development. Talk about ganging up on someone! If that really is an incitement to get at the GG then I register my disgust right now. Kris |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: GUEST,Facilitator Date: 13 Mar 00 - 08:16 AM No KingBrilliant, but gg has, in the past, harassed certain member(s) by anon email. He continues to do things like that above, while remaining about the only person in this group that is not openly identified and available for personal contact. I figured that someone would disagree with my decision to make him, also, less anon, and I considered for many weeks before doing so. Also, I doubt that it will make much difference. He seems relentless in his personal attacks on anyone he feels does not meet HIS standards--katlaughing is only his favorite target. He has had offers to rejoin, to call Max directly, etc., and he still prefers loud, nasty sniping. Who knows what would work to get him to drop all this and just sit on his gutter like a good little gargoyle. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: GUEST,Antivenom Date: 13 Mar 00 - 08:25 AM Also, this "outing" was done once before, so Fac isn't the only one thinking this way. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: MK Date: 13 Mar 00 - 10:18 AM I've remained quiet on all this till now...but I agree with King B. To do what you have done, Facilitator, is a gross violation of his privacy considering that you don't know definitively that all the posts in this thread were made by Gargoyle. I shudder to think that this could happen again with other members who's postings (good, bad or tasteless) that you take exception to...Who elected you the conscience and police of Mudcat, Big Brother? Perhaps it is now time to delete this thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Lady McMoo Date: 13 Mar 00 - 10:37 AM I agree with Michael K and KingBrilliant. This thread ought to be deleted as soon as possible. mcmoo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Amos Date: 13 Mar 00 - 10:37 AM The thread should not be deleted, whether the outing was right or wrong either time it was done. Part of the 'Cat experience is evolving ways to deal with the kind of virtiol that GG specializes in without letting it blow holes in our matrix of friendships and trust. That won't happen if we delete our own history --- talk about Big Brother, don't forget newspeak! Doubleplusungood, man! A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: GUEST,Another whatever Date: 13 Mar 00 - 10:54 AM Curious...where were any of you who cry for deletion when gg spewed vile personal attacks on other members? Do you care that he stalked other members, off the Mudcat? Mr. Amos is right...the less anyone knows of the viciousness, the more forgiving and forgetting people will be until the next time he lets loose. Keeps sucking you all in and then BAM! Is this what your Mudcat is all about? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: KingBrilliant Date: 13 Mar 00 - 10:57 AM I've now made a concious decision to do my best ignore all BS & non-music threads. The music & music-related threads are invaluable - but the rest seems to go round & round in bickering and/or lovey-dovey clique circles, neither of which I want to be a part of. This site used to be my 'home' site & felt like it. But at the moment it just leaves a nasty taste in the mouth. Kris |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: GUEST,Another Conscience... Date: 13 Mar 00 - 11:00 AM Who am I then...? For we are legion.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Lady McMoo Date: 13 Mar 00 - 11:03 AM I'm with you all the way on that Kris. I beginning to feel the same. mcmoo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: GUEST,Bill in Alabama Date: 13 Mar 00 - 11:18 AM King B & McMoo-- Funny-- I begin to feel the same way. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Amos Date: 13 Mar 00 - 11:20 AM Kris, mcmoo, Your feelings are completely understandable. I treasure the free conversations I have had on BS threads, the humor and compassion and good cheer I find on them, as well as the musical brilliance that is so often found. People like GG are a problem, and maybe the best thing to do with a thread like this one is to just drop it. Let the tides of time do their thing. But I really hope that doesn't mean other more viable conversations will be ruled out in your future browsings, as I have valued both of your voices. Just my $.02, for WIW. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Big Mick Date: 13 Mar 00 - 12:28 PM As those of you who know me are aware, I have been away on a long and tiring assignment. On my first day home, I couldn't wait to get back to the 'Cat............and I find this. Those of you who alibi this person need to do a full search on him. You need to read his wishes for the death of troubled people. You need to read comments that would be made by an unrepentant Nazi. I advocated a long time ago that we simply not respond. Instead, we not only feed him, but have created admirers. There was a time that I loved reading his posts. He was witty, and very knowledgeable about the music that I love. He also served as a valuable curmudgeon, in the best sense of that word, for our emerging community. And in that role he was valuable and needed. I miss that Gargoyle. But something happened. Perhaps his essential nature emerged. He went from curmudgeonly barbs to full blown personal attack. He went from pointing out problems from his point of view, to imposing his point of view. He went from poking holes in the saintly image that some of us had of ourselves to full blown, nasty, rabid and vitriole ridden personal attacks on those he didn't approve of. I have never been the subject of those, but the pure hatred involved in them was more than I could stand. And when he went to areas that demonstrated the depth of his lack of any sort of compassion, I had to end any defense or recognition of him. Until that point I would chide him to return to the marvellous role he had. I know now that that is futile. I realize (before any one points it out)that I am violating my pledge not to acknowledge him. I do so to try and point out some history for you all. It is important for some of you to realize that many of us would like to have what we had "in the golden times". It was a folk/blues music forum, but with so much more. It was a caring place where we could explore our passion for the music, and laugh over silly wit, and discuss the issues and contradictions of our craft. But, as the sages point out, when one element or another gets out of balance the whole is affected negatively. I believe that Greg (GG) was actually trying to restore balance (too much chat)but that his inate nastiness got the best of it. In trying to fix it, he has probably hurt that which we all love so much. And I do believe that he cares for this place. But his inability to see that damage he does, or tolerate those among us that are a little over the edge does far more harm than good. Just my $200.00 worth All the best, Big Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Amos Date: 13 Mar 00 - 12:36 PM Jeez, Mick, welcome back!!! It is wonderful to see you. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: GUEST,Neil Lowe Date: 13 Mar 00 - 01:24 PM I don't see where a privacy issue was violated. Where does the Internet "white pages" information on phone numbers and addresses come from originally? Doesn't that person have to volunteer it him/herself? Once you hit the "Submit" button, aren't you willingly relinquishing certain aspects of your privacy and acknowledging there may be risks associated with that relinquishment? Everyone has to reluctantly acquiesce to a certain amount of risk when they use their credit card to buy something over the Internet in exchange for the convienence of shopping from their den. The Internet is a public place. Would I be guilty of a gross violation of privacy if I showed someone how to use a phone book? What people are objecting to is the idea that those who may have a motive for retribution against the barrage of unprovoked attacks now have a means of doing so privately, provided the information is correct (this is the Internet, after all). Personally, I believe those whose character has been unfairly maligned would never stoop to the level preferred and relished by the individual in question, so there's nothing to worry about. Facilitator has done just that...made it easy for the cryptic G-man wannabes who worship at the stone temple of sardonic animosity for meaning in their sympathetic lives to do so. They now have a way of sending their "personal messages of encouragement." But, then again, that was not the sole purpose of this BS: demand. Some people thrive on confrontation. Regards, Neil
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: annamill Date: 13 Mar 00 - 01:27 PM Mick, it so good to see your voice again! I have missed you and I'm glad your back. My position on GG has always been to remove him, but since he found his way back in here his postings have gone back to the way he was before he got real nasty. I had the feeling he was really trying. These GUEST,etc comments do not sound like him at all. Please read these TTCM postings and you tell me. This guest has also denied strongly to being GG. If it is him, he has changed radically. Maybe he takes Prozak and it has had a reverse effect. I've heard that can happen. (joking) I don't like that we may be falsely attributing to GG someone elses sickness. In fact it kind of scares me that some people here do that. I don't know where the answer lies, but until I do, I'd like to withhold judgement. Again, Mick, welcome back. Sorry about this mess. Love, annap |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Bert Date: 13 Mar 00 - 01:27 PM Hi Big Mick, welcome back. You summed it up pretty well. Bert. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Amos Date: 13 Mar 00 - 01:34 PM For my lil part, I will welcome Mick's beautiful tones on a more proactive thread somewhere. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 13 Mar 00 - 01:38 PM I wouldn't really want to know where the focus of all this attention lives. But I suppose it's quite good to have it confirmed that it's a long way from where I live.And since I'm not in the business of attacking other people, it's no kind of secret where I live.
Good to see you back again Big Mick. And in fine voice too.
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: annamill Date: 13 Mar 00 - 01:41 PM I'm going to start a welcome back thread for Mick. Here is not the place. L.,A. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: bseed(charleskratz) Date: 13 Mar 00 - 02:29 PM Gawd, won't this thread ever die? Won't that sanctimonious arsehole who calls himself our true conscience ever get a clue? No, I suppose not: shit happens, as they say. --seed |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 13 Mar 00 - 04:57 PM Sanctimonious shit... A chain-pulling shanty is in order:
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: GUEST,TTCM Date: 14 Mar 00 - 05:34 PM For the time being, our work here is accomplished. The postings have resumed to a more or less on-topic state, and the volume of posts are more conservative, with many choosing to THINK before posting. We do apologize to Gargoyle if we have caused him any undue embarrassment as a result of our presence here, and to forgive the gullable people here who choose to believe we are YOU, in spite of our repeated denials. (If in fact we were Gargoyle, and given the consensus here that Gargoyle is an intelligent person, quirks aside, do you honestly think we would have fascilitated the unmasking of our anonymity, considering his history on this Forum? Idiots.) Until such time as this forum once again requires an enema, we bid you all adieu. The True Conscience of Mudcat (TTCM)
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: Caitrin Date: 14 Mar 00 - 05:46 PM TTCM: If you must urge others to think before posting their messages, I would ask that you proofread yours. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: GUEST,Another conscience.... Date: 14 Mar 00 - 08:42 PM And I would urge not to push the point....we are not far away. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 14 Mar 00 - 08:48 PM Once again, wearily: |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: annamill Date: 14 Mar 00 - 09:13 PM What a jerk! annap |
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: GUEST,_gargoyle Date: 14 Mar 00 - 11:45 PM Dear....Annap.....
To quote your words..."In fact it kind of scares me"
Multiple threads, from multiple people (or "spooks") within this very "forum" continue the emphasis, "You Should Be "SCARED"" when it comes to "openness on the web."
Be safe, always practice "safe-e-netting"
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Subject: RE: BS: Make Gargoyle a full-blown member From: GUEST,_gargoyle Date: 15 Mar 00 - 11:26 PM As Alice during her adventure used to say....
A couple of these "GUEST" posts appear to originate from the "MAX"
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