Help: What's a 'penny bap'?

Subject: RE: Help: What's a 'penny bap'?
From: jeffp
Date: 17 Mar 00 - 03:37 PM

The way I learned it, it was spelled "rarebit" but pronounced "rabbit". No claim to being right, just stirring the cheese a (rare)bit more.

jeffp

Subject: RE: Help: What's a 'penny bap'?
From: MMario
Date: 17 Mar 00 - 03:41 PM

I suspect that may be why the shift.....

Subject: RE: Help: What's a 'penny bap'?
From: Margaret V
Date: 17 Mar 00 - 04:30 PM

One of my absolute favorite books is "English Bread and Yeast Cookery" by Elizabeth David. She was an amazing food historian and this book is full of great recipes drawn from several centuries (NOT, I might add, bowdlerized!) and thorough historical information about each type of bread and its raw ingredients. She has a few pages on baps (English and Scottish references), including recipes with and without the lard and sugar.

Another book you money-ponderers might like to know about is "How Much is That in Real Money" by Grant McCusker. It's an intelligent look at pounds and dollars etc. etc. in times past and ways of figuring their equivalents.

Jon, thanks so much for the great Welsh food site!

Subject: RE: Help: What's a 'penny bap'?
From: alison
Date: 17 Mar 00 - 11:19 PM

Great song Seamus... (it fit the tune of Eric Bogle's - Aussie Barbecue, pretty well too)..... I was out doing a gig last night (St Pat's in Oz) and didn't get a chance to cook... so tonight we're having........ Ulster Fry and Champ.....

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: Help: What's a 'penny bap'?
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 18 Mar 00 - 02:03 AM

Alison, I just got in from a gig and I'm knackered now, and I'm going to leap into the oul' pit, but tomorrow I'm getting the pan on, and having myself a fry too. ALl the best. Seamus

Subject: RE: Help: What's a 'penny bap'?
From: alison
Date: 20 Mar 00 - 12:06 AM

refreshed for the boys in hearme who loved your song Seamus, I sang it with a bodhran accompaniment

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: Help: What's a 'falorie man'?
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Mar 06 - 08:45 PM

What is "falorie" in the song Wee Falorie Man?

Subject: RE: What's a 'penny bap'?
From: MartinRyan
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 01:45 PM

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Subject: RE: Help: What's a 'penny bap'?
From: GUEST,ruth
Date: 29 Jul 08 - 03:04 PM

A bap is a Welsh bunlike roll with soft crust and almost like a milk loaf inside. The best ever were produced by pinch bakery in Abergavenny both in triangular shape and round. The triangles were by far the best although it was the same dough I think. those days have goneI'm afraid- baps are still made commercially but they are nothing like the one from Pinch Bakery. For our family they were almost legendary and were anticipated long before the plane from JFK touched down in the UK. We usually had them for lunch with ham, Caerphilly cheese and pickle, and often lettuce as well-AND Welsh farmhouse butter! Yum!.

Subject: RE: Help: What's a 'penny bap'?
From: Ned Ludd
Date: 29 Jul 08 - 06:43 PM

Ahh! claiming baps for the welsh! fine cos theyre a lanky thing anyhow, but don't get me started on baps, barmcakes and teacakes!
Ned.

Subject: RE: Help: What's a 'penny bap'?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 29 Jul 08 - 07:50 PM

OED

Bap Sc [Scottish] a small loaf or 'roll' of baker's bread, made of various sizes and shapes in different parts of Scotland.
A quote fron 1513-75, another from 1800.

Welsh ones are bogus.

Subject: RE: Help: What's a 'penny bap'?
From: pavane
Date: 30 Jul 08 - 03:17 AM

They don't taste bogus

Subject: RE: Help: What's a 'penny bap'?
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 30 Jul 08 - 10:54 AM

Q, you quoted OED, presumably as a limiting factor on the geographical reach of baps.

Remember that, despite the great respect due to the OED, a dictionary is not and never has been a prescriptive or legislative authority, and may well not be exhaustive on a given word. A dictionary is a report of what the dictionary maker(s) gather actual usage to be, and such reports are not infrequently in error. This includes even the OED along with other dictionaries.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: Help: What's a 'penny bap'?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 Jul 08 - 12:20 PM

Hmmm, is Dave a closet Welshman?
I must confess that my grandmother made 'baps,' she was Irish but born in U. S. Baps perhaps spread from their Scottish birthplace.

Subject: RE: Help: What's a 'penny bap'?
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 30 Jul 08 - 01:30 PM

Suuuuuuuuurrrre! "Oesterreich" is Welch?

What I am is a not-so-closet pedant, and I hate to see a reference book misunderstood or misused.

In fact I have never seen, let alone eaten, a bap, in England, Scotland, Ireland, or Wales. In fact I've never been in any of those places.

I'd love to try one, though!

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: Help: What's a 'penny bap'?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 Jul 08 - 01:40 PM

What? You were never bap-tized?

Subject: RE: Help: What's a 'penny bap'?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 30 Jul 08 - 03:08 PM

I saw a sign in Tesco's recently "Braces soft baps", I thought it should be in the underwear section rather than the bakery!

Subject: RE: Help: What's a 'penny bap'?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 30 Jul 08 - 03:35 PM

Brace's soft baps from South Wales

Subject: RE: Help: What's a 'penny bap'?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 30 Jul 08 - 03:42 PM

The bap has been around the Belfast area from Barney Hughes`s bakery `invented`it around the 1850s at that time it was cheap and nourishing for the poor, still as tasty as ever.

Subject: RE: Help: What's a 'penny bap'?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 Jul 08 - 08:08 AM

GUEST Baz - "A penny coin was one 144th part of an old English pound."

It was one 240th. 12 pence = 1 shilling. 20 shillings = 1 pound. 12*20 = 240.

Apologies for the thread creep and my pedantry.