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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: Seamus Kennedy Date: 04 Jul 00 - 02:55 AM I'm sorry Kendall hasn't kicked in his two pence worth. All the best. Seamus |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: Rick Fielding Date: 03 Jul 00 - 10:51 PM Not to mess with the intensity of this thread, but one of the reasons that we so rarely get official apologies from Governments, politicians, Medical Practioners, or even convicted felons with guilty conciences, is that thousands of lawyers are lying in wait, ready to launch lawsuits..... and then use that apology as their main body of evidence. Rick |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: Amergin Date: 03 Jul 00 - 12:33 AM Or at least restore the insanity of this place.... |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: Big Mick Date: 03 Jul 00 - 12:32 AM 'Spaw.........welcome home...........ya missed a helluva party.........read the thread......you got appointed to a very important position..........What the feck is goin' on around this place??????........ya leave for a few days and all hell breaks loose........Restore order, Puullllleeeeeezzzzzeeee'!!!!!.......... Mick |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: Ebbie Date: 03 Jul 00 - 12:23 AM Nope. 'Tis I, indeed it is. I am a 64-year-old woman born into an Amish family, ultimately leaving home at the age of 17 (frankly, I don't remember giving that information. Is that the FBI at work again?) play for dances, live in a house museum... What else? Love music, food, animals and all well-meaning people. In a bleak kind of way this is fun. (Thanks, moonchild, for staying true to yourself.) Ebbie |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: bbelle Date: 02 Jul 00 - 10:50 PM I don't want to know. I don't care. I don't want to know who anybody is who isn't who they are ... moonchild |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: harpgirl Date: 02 Jul 00 - 10:28 PM ...oh and moon...read through the Sailor Dan posts and try to figure out who that is!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: bbelle Date: 02 Jul 00 - 10:17 PM harpgirl ... you're a close friend but please don't go there ... I don't find the humour in it and I have no more fight left in me. There is a huge Amish population in Oregon and it's not at all unusual for someone to be living in a museum/house in Alaska. Also, leaving an Amish home at age 17 wouldn't be unusual either ... moonchild |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: harpgirl Date: 02 Jul 00 - 10:10 PM ...speaking of aliases moonbaby...did you get that Ebbie is a 64 year old woman who left home at 17 and was Amish living in Oregon? but heck she plays for dances and lives in a museum/house in Alaska! I wonder if that is Selden too? |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: bbelle Date: 02 Jul 00 - 10:04 PM I love ya 'spaw... moonjen |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: catspaw49 Date: 02 Jul 00 - 10:02 PM I would like to take this time and place to offer my sincerest and most humble apology to myself for reading this thread. I'll try to do better in the future but alas, will probably always be suckered into the vortex. Kiss me Moon, you mad fool............. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: GUEST,Camisu Date: 02 Jul 00 - 09:46 PM OK now I'm confused. I did register, honest. Why does my name say guest? |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: GUEST,Camisu Date: 02 Jul 00 - 09:44 PM This is truly interesting. I have never been real good at chats because most people are on under nicknames (or pseudonyms as it were) and I'm not entirely comfortable with talking to people I can't see and don't know. But I use my own name--as witnessed by the fact that my daughter had no problem recognising that I was finally on mudcat! Moonchild, it's not that you have no character, you are a character! Or as I've heard myself referred to, you are a rig, or a piece of work. I take it as a compliment. Honest, outspoken, yes. These don't seem to me to be flaws. I truly can't imagine using someone elses name for any reason, I happen to like my own, and if my opinion isn't worth attaching that name to, it isn't worth stating. Now, on another track, it seems that many of you know each other off the web as well and have sings? How does one find out about these? No one came by Story Grove to announce themselves, tho' as far as I know the only Mudcats there besides us were in their record tent, hopefully being very busy. |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: Sailor Dan Date: 02 Jul 00 - 05:34 PM Moonchild, I was not trying to humour you. I was trying to state a tactful fact. But go back to your dictionary, you left out a few descriptive words regarding my assement of your character. I am sure that you could do much better if your really tried to. AS far as your baggage is concerned I have no idea what it is and to be damn truthful with you, I really dont give a damn. But your postings here and other threads do indicate you DO have baggage and you are spreading it all over the cat. AS I made a suggestion to you in another thread, try me on a PM and tell me how you really feel. I would be more then happy to read it and answer it. And one more thing, DO NOT EVER THINK "YOU" are the only one who might have baggage. You still have to learn the meaning of L-I-F-E. There is an OOOLLDD saying, I cried because I had no shoes, until I looked around a saw a man who had no feet. LOOK AROUND MOONCHILD, Sailor Dan
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: little john cameron Date: 01 Jul 00 - 11:26 PM moonchild, ah jist thought ah would jump in again.Farther back ah mentioned Archie Bellamy.That's the real name ofGrey Wolf who passed himself off as a "Noble Redman" years ago.Regardless of how good there were at it they are both impostors.It seems that every now and again somebody in these chats gets a kick out of this silly childish game.It's a type of voyeurism.The poor man/woman needs help.Get mad if you like, i do it all the time.After years of observing people i've come to the conclusion that most of the world needs help. GO FOR IT.ljc. |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: bbelle Date: 01 Jul 00 - 10:34 PM Sailor Dan ... you are probably a nice person but I don't need to be humoured. This is cyberspace and we can be nice when, in fact, we aren't at all. We can be lots of things, when, in fact, we are none of them at all. I have never been anyone other than myself on this forum ... I am intense and direct and honest, in my feelings and in my dealings with people. I apologize when I'm wrong but, when I make a stand, I don't back down. I ALWAYS sign my name or my nickname. I don't engage in gratuitous pandering. I don't belong to cliques and have no desire to do HearMe and I have been called a loner. Your assessment of my character is: uncharitable, mean, nasty, opinionated, threatening, obnoxious, unpleasant, and annoying ... because I expressed my opinion and anger ... without ever having spent one real life minute with me. You presume to know from where my anger stems, instead of simply accepting the fact that I am angry. You presume that I am carrying around "baggage," ... and presume to know what the baggage is ... when, in fact, you don't know that all. But this is the Emerald City and we've all traveled the Yellow Brick Road to get here. And in the Land of Oz there is no deceit or deception ... my mistake moonchild
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: Sailor Dan Date: 01 Jul 00 - 08:59 PM Dear Moonchild; This is from another individual that also has a big damn brick on his shoulder. I have lived with this brick for probably twice as many years as you are old. Please take some advice. All this brick does is make one shoulder lower then the other. You do have a right to be angry, you do have the right to be totally pissed off. NO one can take that right from you. Greywolf or whatever his name or personage is, and the personage appears to be low life, is not worth the anger and frustration of your getting upset and losing your cool. I have read many of your threads in the past and in some cases have agreed with you and in other cases I have not. But that is my right as well as it is yours. Your overall remarks in the past on other threads do not indicate that you are as rotten and nasty as your last post to this , Apparently something has crossed the hairs on your butt and you are angry. RElax Moonchild, you have friends and backers, besides, getting to this point with an idiot who has ruined the names of others by posting unsavory items in there names is not worth getting excited about. Cool down child of the moon, the damn brick gets heavier as the days were on. Your too nice to carry the brick. There definately is a much nicer side to you. Wanna go sailin??? Sailor Dan |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: bbelle Date: 01 Jul 00 - 07:55 PM Yes, "Guest," you are absolutely correct ... I am quite unpleasant, but you didn't really need to point that out ... I've already admitted to it ... so your words are just another exercise in redundancy. And, to show my innate unpleasantness, please do not put quotes around my name. It's moonchild ... plain and simple ... no quotes and no capital letters. Does it give you infinite pleasure to know that your assessment of me was spot on? Thought so ... but at least I have the courage (or stupidity ... take your pick) to sign my posts and not hide behind the GUEST shield ... moonchild |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: Jon Freeman Date: 01 Jul 00 - 07:47 PM Guest, if you have to take an anonymous snipe at someone, not only are you unpleasant but you are spineless to go with it. Jon |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: GUEST Date: 01 Jul 00 - 07:43 PM I, for one am glad that I'm not going in 'moonchild's' direction. She sounds quite unpleasant |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 01 Jul 00 - 07:42 PM Well I quite liked the way Jon's Grouches looked better they got reconstructed. All right, a bit friendlier mightn't have done any harm...But all those smiles would drive you crazy pretty soon.
A friendly scowl, a good natured curse, and a helping hand, that what you want in a good neighbour. |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: Little Neophyte Date: 01 Jul 00 - 07:33 PM Oh thanks Grey Wolf, that was really sweet of you. Okay Moonchild, here it goes........ Moonchild, Much slender than a mile I'm hugging you in style Some day Old dream maker, You heart staker Wherever you're goin' I'm goin' your way Two Mudcatters, Off to see the world, There's such a lot of world To see We're after the same Rainbow's end Waitin' round the bend, My good Mudcat friend Moonchild And me Love Bonnie
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: Lepus Rex Date: 01 Jul 00 - 07:33 PM As far as I know, threatening to expose someone's deception isn't considered 'assault.' Or against the law... |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: GUEST,Grey Wolf Date: 01 Jul 00 - 07:24 PM Something like this: Moon River
Moon River, Old dream maker, Two drifters, We're after the same Moon River |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: Little Neophyte Date: 01 Jul 00 - 07:13 PM Jon, that was the cutest little story I have ever seen. Moonchild I hope it made you smile. Well if that didn't, Rick's offer sure must have. I was going to sing you Moon River, and change some of the words. Anybody have the lyrics to Moon River? I couldn't find them in the digital lyric search. Moonchild, I'll make up a song for you once someone posts those lyrics. Bonnie |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: Rick Fielding Date: 01 Jul 00 - 06:33 PM Moonchild! I've been looking for a woman with those qualities all my life! Please, I want you to bear my children! (or at least the first part of the process) Oops....there I go again, messing about in a SERIOUS thread. Sorry, I'll go back to guitar chords! Rick |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: Jon Freeman Date: 01 Jul 00 - 06:20 PM Aw Moonchild, dont be like that. Someone sent me this the other day. See if it makes you smile, - it did for me. Jon |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: bbelle Date: 01 Jul 00 - 06:11 PM harpgirl ... can't ... staying with step-grandmother, while Daddy and Marie are at reunion. Obviously, considering my character, I wouldn't be good company, anyway ... moonchild |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: GUEST,harpgirl Date: 01 Jul 00 - 06:02 PM ...moonchild why don't you buy a one way ticket to WPB and hang with me in S Florida? You may need a respite....we're having fun down here....I'll call you tonight on your cell phone.... |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: bbelle Date: 01 Jul 00 - 05:54 PM Well now ... since this is a thread of admission ... and you all love admissions and apologies ... I'll go ahead and admit to a whole bunch of stuff, which should absolve anyone else of having to do it ... I'm uncharitable, mean, nasty, opinionated, threatening, obnoxious, annoying. Have I covered everything. I certainly hope so. Wouldn't want there to be any misunderstanding out there about my character. That would be assuming I have any character. Oh, what the hell I'll admit to that too ... I have no character. moonchild |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: Mrrzy Date: 01 Jul 00 - 04:04 PM Oh, moonchild, I was afraid of this. What I meant was that yes you have a right to express your opinion, even meanly (my opinion of the phrasing of your post). You WERE threatening, which is also against the law. It's called Assault. But so what? You're entitled, you were victimized (I am not arguing with your definition of being a victim, I consider you to have been a victim of a practical joke), I just don't think it's wise. Refusing to accept someone's apology is pretty much a definition of uncharitable - your word, which I merely repeated. But what I said was that you were BEING uncharitable, not that you WERE uncharitable. That was my opinion, unchanged by your being so upset about my using your words against you. I am sorry that what I said upset you. Notice I don't say I'm sorry that you got upset! Now that would be uncharitable, and also obnoxious, annoying, and pretty much guaranteed to really upset you. Which is not my intent. |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 01 Jul 00 - 03:37 PM People make mistakes. Mistakes mean other people get hurt. The people who make the mistakes sometimes realise they made them. The way we run things here means that they can then keep quiet about it and nooone every knows it was them.
Or they can admit they made the mistakes and apologise, and hope that'll undo some of the hurt.
That's what Grey Wolf has done, and I think it's a right thing for her or him to have done.
However, the way things work out round here, one effect has been to stir up a bunch of anger and bitterness, and all the blame for the crap that other people who haven't put their hands up contributed to gets loaded onto the one who has. So maybe keeping schtum is a better thing to do, even if it's not the bravest thing to do. Which, if true, I would see as a pity.
But couldn't we lighten up? If someone had posted under my name, I'd get irritated, maybe angry - but I can't see myself bearing a grudge about it once they'd said they were sorry. Now we've got the GUEST thing it can't happen in the same way again. "Worse things happen at sea" as they say.
As for the pseudonyms, it strikes me there are very few people around here who don't prefer to use pseudonyms. I'm an oddball in that respect. If people want to have a number of different personae running in parallel, no harm in that, providing they don't act nasty. Jekyll and Hyde was/were ahead of his/their time...
There's the story about the little boy who's playing , and he's digging around at the edge of the stream at the bottom of the garden, and he starts the ground sliding away, and the khazi (as we'd call it round this way), falls into the stream.
And he keeps quiet about it - but his Dad says to him, "I'm going to ask you if you were to blame for the khazi falling in the stream - and before you answer, I'll tell you a story". And he tells him about George Washington and the Cherry Tree, and how George Washington's father was so proud to have such a brave and honest son.
And the son says "I understand Dad - and like George Washington, I cannot tell a lie. I was digging by the stream, and it was my fault that the khazi fell in."
And his Dad grabs him, and gives him a walloping. "But why did you do that? George Washington's father was pleased with his son for telling the truth when he cut down the Cherry Tree."
And Dad explained "Well, you see son, the thing is, George Washington's father wasn't sitting up in the branches of the Cherry Tree..."
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: bbelle Date: 30 Jun 00 - 05:11 PM Well, guest Mrr ... hmmmmmm! You have called me. "uncharitable," "mean, nasty, & threatening," "irresponsible," "violent," and "victim," all without ever having met me. I find that very interesting. A "victim" I'm not ... I vowed many years to not be a victim and to take care of myself, which I do. "Uncharitable, mean, nasty, threatening, irresponsible" ... if you are referring to my vow to "out" the individual who assumed my identity, if I ever find out who did it ... so be it. Assuming another's identity is, in fact, a criminal act. Probably not punishable by much ... but the potential for harm to my reputation was there ... and I won't sweep it under the rug. But, since you so quick to condemn, where is your responsibility to me, a person you've never met? moonchild |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: M. Ted (inactive) Date: 30 Jun 00 - 04:30 PM Moonchild, I was sort of thinking that Grey Wolf was surprised by the negative reaction--the restraint that I was seeing was that people weren't demanding blood--
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: Jon Freeman Date: 30 Jun 00 - 04:29 PM BanjoBenny, I am relatively new (I guess about a year) but I did see those times. I had started by participating in newsgroups prior to joining Mudcat and even at its worse, Mudcat seemed a pretty pleasant place although, in fairness, I was never a victim of any of the nastiness in here. Having said that, I am truely sorry that some people felt it neccessary to leave and that some people including Moonchild did suffer because of the actions of others. Overall, Mudcat had seemed to be going through a healing period in terms of our relationships with others and it is a shame that this thread has re-opened old wounds. My feeling is this thread is best left to die. Jon |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: katlaughing Date: 30 Jun 00 - 04:18 PM BBenny, that is the BEST offer I've seen in quite awhile! Play it for us on Sunday??? I totally understand where Moonchild is coming from, having had my name used for nefarious purposes, too. However, going along those lines any further, in this thread, seems to me to be another open door for arseholes to flame as they will....me thinks we've just been baited, again...to echo Mick's previous advice, let's stop and not rise to the occasion. Thanks, katwhoreallydoesn'twanttoseeareprisestartedup |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: banjobenny Date: 30 Jun 00 - 04:13 PM Wasn't around to see what/who caused all this pain and resentment among otherwise seemingly GREAT people(at least those i have met in the song circle). I am glad for not being around at that time. This entire thread inspires me to write a song for solo clawhammer banjo. It will be done in "mountain minor" (Am) tuning, so as to express some of the pain and a little of the resentment, and also to capture some of the apologetic feelings. The song will be titled "Who Really Cares Anyway". It will be a three part theme as opposed to the standard two part scheme. It should evoke feelings of deep reflection and objectivity. Let it disconnect us from actual events, and reveal to us how the wind blows in some mighty strange things from time to time. Your friend, Banjobenny |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: GUEST,Mrr Date: 30 Jun 00 - 04:06 PM Moonchild, you are upset, and rightly so. Also, you are being uncharitable. But there's nothing wrong with that if that is how you feel! Of course you have every right to state your opinion, but are you sure you have the right to do it however you like? Even meanly, nastily, and with threats? Well, the obvious answer is Yes. The question isn't, or shouldn't be, about Rights, but rather about Responsibilities. If you are trying to foment violence, you're doing well. If you were just trying to express your opinion, well, you did that too... And since you were a vic, which I wasn't, you have more sympathy on your side than you think! |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: bbelle Date: 30 Jun 00 - 03:57 PM I don't think "restrained" is the word I would use, M Ted. I think "who gives a flying fuck" would be more appropriate for how I feel about this "Grey Wolf's" apology. If this person has, indeed, used a number of aliases, and has used them to the detriment of others, apologizing under yet still another alias is like blowing smoke in the wind ... it doesn't go anywhere! And, lest anyone tell me I am being uncharitable, I have every right to state my educated opinion and feelings about this. If you don't know what I'm talking about, well, I'm not going to rehash it. I will say, however, that should I ever discover who used MY name to flame others, whether it be a manifestation of this Grey Wolf or someone else, I will nail them. I'm not at all a physically violent individual, so if anyone wonders what I mean by "nail them," I will "out" them on this forum so fast they won't know what hit them. moonchild
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: M. Ted (inactive) Date: 30 Jun 00 - 02:42 PM Grey Wolf, or whoever you are right now--I am surprised that you didn't know what kind of response your confession would get--people were very upset at the time, there was much bad feeling, and much paranoia. People left the group, many people---now, I doubt that you were responsible for all the mischief, but you are the only one who has come forward (or at least as forward as a nickname can come)--if anything, I am surprised at how restrained people have been-- |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: katlaughing Date: 30 Jun 00 - 02:13 PM And, so what is new? |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: Grey Wolf Date: 30 Jun 00 - 02:09 PM apologies - didn't think that an apology would have this effect - the apology was honest - i'm going to post as someone else now - just don't want any rubbish |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: GUEST,Mrr Date: 30 Jun 00 - 01:02 PM Mbo, the thread to which your blicky pointed reminds me of the old joke, If Mama Cass had given Karen Carpenter her ham sandwich they'd both be alive today! Which reminds me of another joke: If Grace Kelly were alive today, what would she be doing? Clawing at the inside of her coffin! Sorry. |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: harpgirl Date: 30 Jun 00 - 12:07 PM ...why assume GG is gargoyle or Greg is really Greg or that only one person is gargyole....oh boy I think Jon is right! Get a life Abby, get back to work! your boss, harpgirl |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: Big Mick Date: 30 Jun 00 - 11:58 AM I must admit that I find this thread and the original "Apology" thread to be a bit weird, and yet a fascinating view of the human psyche. I was not going to post, just lurk & learn, but I feel that I must respond to posts by Helen and my buddy, the Harpgirl. I was the original person who suggested that we not respond to Garg and that he would dry up and blow away. But, and this is an important but, it only came after he had crossed some very significant roads with regard to sensitivity. If you check back all the way, you will find that on a number of occasions I asked him, even implored him to return to his much needed role as resident curmudgeon on the Mudcat. He was brilliant and much needed in that role. He is also a wonderful resource with regard to the music which is the foundation of the house we have built here. Greg if you are still here, that is the role that I enjoyed and would love for you to fill again. I miss that and miss you on that level. But if it includes the viciousness, the attacks on others sense of self worth, and the general nastiness, then stay where you are. Big Mick |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: Mbo Date: 30 Jun 00 - 11:22 AM I feel love! --Mbo |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: SDShad Date: 30 Jun 00 - 11:13 AM Sarge, I'm not sure, but I think maybe it was Mbo who put the ram in the rama lama ding dong. Either that, or he shot the deputy. I can't keep 'em all straight. Shad |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: Jon Freeman Date: 30 Jun 00 - 10:30 AM I must admit that I fail to see what good has been done by this confession. I think it would have been better for Grey Wolf simply to have resolved not to do it again and from then on simply to have continued to post under his one chosen handle as there is a danger that a cofession on this subject will restart the "whos posting as who" paranoia that we have experienced before. Jon |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: Bert Date: 30 Jun 00 - 10:12 AM harpgirl, you ARE nice all the time! |
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Subject: RE: Another Public Apology From: Mbo Date: 30 Jun 00 - 10:03 AM Hear what? --Mbo |
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