Subject: Kennedy Assassination From: Whippoorwill Date: 16 Jul 97 - 12:16 PM Click for related thread For some reason, I've been thinking about the JFK assassination this morning, and remembering a song I heard on the radio only once on or about the day of his funeral. The chorus went something like: Oh, the world was cold and silent on that dark November day, when a mad assassin's bullet took (blew?) that gallant heart away. I have never heard it since, and can find no reference in DT under Kennedy, assassin, or Kennedy Assassination. Has anyone else heard this, or did I imagine it?
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Subject: Lyr Add: THE BALLAD OF J. F. K. (Hayes & Wammack) From: Gene Date: 16 Jul 97 - 05:22 PM Autry Inman recorded this one several years ago... THE BALLAD OF J. F. K./ Recorded by Autry Inman/ Words and music by Hayes & Wammack
Now let me tell you, people about a mighty man
Then one day he flew away across the nation wide
John F. Kennedy, he was a mighty man
While riding in a great parade, his sweet wife by his side
Long he'll live in history and great will be his name
John F. Kennedy, he was mighty man
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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: rich r Date: 16 Jul 97 - 08:48 PM Several songs from come to mind about President Kennedy' death. These include: "Abraham Martin & John" pop song popularized by Dion definitely doesn't have the lyrics you are looking for "That Was The President" by Phil Ochs also does not have your line Two others that I don't have printed versions and haven't listened to for a long time: "Special Friend" by John Stewart recorded by Kingston Trio (Time To Think, and Capitol Years) "Summer of His Years" recorded by Chad Mitchell Trio (Reflecting)
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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Gene Date: 17 Jul 97 - 12:41 PM The POST of "rich r" reminded me of another tribute song by Tommy Cash with the line: "Goodbye Martin, Goodbye Bobby, Goodbye John/Six White Horses came to take you home." |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Whippoorwill Date: 17 Jul 97 - 03:45 PM Gene: Thanks, but that's not it. rich l: Had the Kingstons or Chad Mitchell done it, I'm sure I would have heard it again. It may have been a one-time thing done by a local musician - I just can't remember. The tune was so haunting, a plaintive minor, that it stayed with me. |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Gene Date: 17 Jul 97 - 08:57 PM Well, if you find the one you're looking for Whippoorwill..please post the lyrics.....at least I learned the titles of some more tribute songs about JFK. |
Subject: Lyr Add: IN THE SUMMER OF HIS YEARS From: rich r Date: 19 Jul 97 - 07:41 PM IN THE SUMMER OF HIS YEARS by Herbert Kretzmer & David Lee
The young man rode with his head held high ABout the song- In 1963 the Saturday night TV schedule included an irreverent, satirical current events program called "That Was The Week That Was". The show had its orign on the BBC. President Kennedy was killed on a Thursday. TWTWTW was much more somber two days later that week. One of the pieces on the show was this song. I recall watching the program and like many others was stirred by the simple musical tribute. There was enough public response was such that TWTWTW replayed the song the following week. The Chad MItchell Trio recorded it on the Mercury label. The trio version combines this with slow dirge like renditon of the chorus of "Rally Round The Flag" a song widely sung after the Lincoln assassination (The later of course was also used as a popular rouser by the Union in the Civil War). rich r |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: rich r Date: 12 Feb 98 - 01:52 PM refresh to go with Art Thieme's thread about Kennedy years rich r |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Art Thieme Date: 15 Feb 98 - 11:55 PM Hoowdy folks, Just got back from Memphis. Had a grand time seein' old and new friends. Thanks for these songs for sure! The posted songs are all among the one's I've found . But the search goes on. Any new Kennedy songs'd be appreciated. (I'm tempted to post a song called "Teddy's Song"--it's funny as hell. But even yours truly exhibits some taste in these matters once in a while.) Thanks again, Art Thieme |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Joe Offer Date: 16 Feb 98 - 03:03 AM Welcome back, Art. In at least one of the Kennedy threads, people have been requesting that you post some of the Kennedy songs you have. Many of us would be interested. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE LORD OF THE LAND (Fred Geis) From: Art Thieme Date: 16 Feb 98 - 05:31 PM For starters: Here's the very first assassination song I found: It's by Fred Geis---Fred, if you're out there it'd be great to hear from you! TITLE" _THE LORD OF THE LAND_ The song was finished before Oswald was killed and the verse about Ruby shooting Oswald ("the slayer lies dead at his feet") was added a day or two later. Where is the master of the house, Where is the lord of the land, He's gone to rest with his youngest son, Gone to a far distant land. Where is the wife of the lord of the land? What of his kindred and keep? His mourning wife sails on a bonny great ship, Over the ocean and deep. Where is the brother of the lord of the land? What sins does he repent? He lies and he cries in the arms of his love, His sorrows his sins do all rent. What of the people who live in the land? What of the crofters and fens? There's crying in the villages and weeping in the towns, Lamenting can be heard in the glens. Where is the slayer whose arrow did quick To kill the lord of the land? He lies in a cell and he ponders his fate, He knows not what sprang from his hand. The leaves on the trees are dying and dead, The flowers are dead on the heath, The lord of the land lies dead in his grave, The slayer lies dead at his feet. (Repeat first verse) (This is a non-specific song of the killing of JFK. I taped Fred singing it in my coach house in Chicago's Old Town area a day or two after Lee Oswald was killed. It was the beginning of a search that has gone on for almost 40 years.----Art Thieme) |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Art Thieme Date: 16 Feb 98 - 05:40 PM By the way, Tommy Cash is Johnny's brother. I do have that song in the big collection. There were several country songs as well as pop tunes, calypso songs, folk revival songs, Mexican songs, european songs: truly amazes me how the collection grew over the years!Art |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE DEATH OF JOHN KENNEDY From: Art Thieme Date: 16 Feb 98 - 11:42 PM When I get the time I'll put a song or two up here. This is "THE DEATH OF JOHN KENNEDY" AS DONE BY BOB COLTMAN (A FINE WRITER AND SINGER) AND THE WEST MARYLAND HIGHBALLERS. Joe Bussard was in this group too as I recall. (This is an Old Timey band.) Six white horses come a-drivin', One black horse walked behind, Takin' John Kennedy to Arlington, Down to the buryin' ground. He's gone; long time gone. November 22nd, Down in Dallas town, Was there that fatal rifle shot, Struck John Kennedy down. His darling wife beside him, She heard that bullet come, She nevermore will see his face, While her earthly life shall run. The doctor come a-runnin', This is what he said, "There's nothing more that I can do, John Kennedy is dead." Goin' back to Washington, Goin on a run, Carryin' that coffin, For to bring John Kennedy home. The people on the eastbound train, Goin' to Washington, Thinking 'bout that dreadful crime, That evil hand has done. Lord, lord, Mr. Oswald, What did you mean to do? How could you pick that rifle up and shoot John Kennedy through? Put that flag upon him, Put your mourning on, Watch his coffin pass you by, John Kennedy is gone He's gone; long time gone. |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Joe Offer Date: 17 Feb 98 - 03:13 AM This is great stuff, Art. Please keep it coming. Thanks. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: Lyr Add: TEDDY'S SONG From: Date: 17 Feb 98 - 10:13 AM TEDDY'S SONG (composer unknown) tune:The Irish Washerwoman Oh, your mother is old, And your father is dead, And your brother is dead, And your brother is dead, And your brother is dead, And your kid has one leg, And your wife is a drunk, And your car doesn't float!!! |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Whippoorwill Date: 17 Feb 98 - 03:47 PM That was politically incorrect, insulting, in extremely poor taste, and undoubtedly written by a member of the great right-wing conspiracy. I love it! |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Art Thieme Date: 17 Feb 98 - 04:25 PM Ted was asked if he was gonna run for president. He answered, "I'll drive off that bridge when I come to it! |
Subject: Lyr Add: LEE HARVEY WAS A FRIEND OF MINE From: Art Thieme Date: 17 Feb 98 - 10:41 PM LEE HARVEY WAS A FRIEND OF MINE as sung by T.Texas Edwards and the Sickoids
I was born in Dallas in 1952, |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Wolfgang Hell Date: 18 Feb 98 - 11:03 AM Dylan's "He was a friend of mine" is also about the JFK assassination. Wolfgang |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Art Thieme Date: 18 Feb 98 - 11:47 AM Dylan & Dave VanRonk did "He Was A Friend Of Mine" before the assassination. The Byrds version was obviously for J.F.K. & contained spoken asides about him and Dallas's Love Field (airport). McGuinn thought it ironic that he was taken to LOVE Field after being killed.Art |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Paul Stamler Date: 18 Feb 98 - 02:39 PM Hi Art: A small correction on "Lee Harvey"; where your transcription says: I've seen them pictures of him with the family and a gun, Shadows were pointin' every-which-a-way; 'Twas only just for fun, my ears hear the last line as "There's only just one sun" (relating to the curious multiple shadow directions in a famous photo of Lee Oswald). Peace. Paul |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Art Thieme Date: 18 Feb 98 - 05:08 PM Paul, You're probably right! (Bet nobody ever accused you of being "right" before; am I correct? Missed ya in Memphis. Art |
Subject: Lyr Add: I SAW MY COUNTRY'S FLAG GO DOWN (Phillips From: Art Thieme Date: 11 Mar 98 - 01:03 AM I SAW MY COUNTRY'FLAG GO DOWN by Bruce Utah Phillips chorus)
Red for the blood of a young man true and brave, |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: MarcB Date: 11 Mar 98 - 01:33 AM What an interesting thread. Thanks all. It reminds me how powerful the singing tradition can be, both the serious and the silly, even in this New World:) Another song that I believe may have been about the Kennedy assassination is Phil Och's "Crucifixion". It was very popular among young Episcopalians in the late 60's and I still sing it as an example of a song that makes you THINK about the Crucifixion instead of just being pious. So it works on that level. BUT in an old Phil Och's Songbook the lyrics are juxtaposed with a photograph of the cavalry horse with the backwards boots from the Kennedy funeral procession. And the song also REALLY WORKS on that level, too, whether Phil intended it that way or not. Cross-reference to Paul Clayton thread. Another fine singer/songwriter who took his own life(I think, but may have died of natural causes at a young age, somebody set me straight please). And also in the shadow of Dylan(don't mean to imply anything, just find it interesting). Marc B |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Art Thieme Date: 11 Mar 98 - 10:38 AM Marc, "Crucifixion" is definitely about J.F.K.'s assassination. I've had it in my collection for many years. (The collection is now at the Archive Of Folk Culture at the Libr. of Congress. I started the collection---- SONGS OF THE LIFE, TIMES AND ASSASSINATION OF JOHN FITZGERALD KENNEDY-----way over 30 years ago. The best version of "Crucifixion" was done by JIM & JEAN (Glover). Jim was a roomy of Phil Ochs's at Ohio State U. Ochs wrote several songs featuring JFK----not all on the assassination itself. One that was is "That Was The President and That Was The Man". Several were printed in BROADSIDE. Dylan's, Paxton's, many others had their early songs printed there. And all the info that could be found via Mudcat on PAUL CLAYTON (WORTHINGTON) can be found at THAT THREAD! Have fun! (Info. his connections to Dylan's songs is talked about there too.) Art Thieme
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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Jerry Friedman Date: 11 Mar 98 - 07:33 PM I thought the Ted Kennedy song was by the great Tom Lehrer. |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Art Thieme Date: 12 Mar 98 - 12:12 AM No, I truly don't think that's correct. Art |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: MarcB Date: 12 Mar 98 - 07:58 PM Art, Much thanks for the info re: Crucifixion I realize I wasn't clear in my closing paragraph. What I meant was that like Paul Clayton, Phil Ochs was another singer who died early, also in the shadow of Bob Dylan. And I couldn't remember whether Phil Ochs had taken his own life or died of other causes. And I couldn't recall how much of Phil's frustrations(if had some) were related to likewise being in the shadow of Dylan. This thread has reinforced for me the power of folk music(however you choose to define it) in weaving the thread of who we are. Marc |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Art Thieme Date: 13 Mar 98 - 04:45 PM Howdy folks---I sent a song here along with a note to Marc. Was wondering if it got there or where it might be !!??! Art |
Subject: Lyr Add: BEST YEARS OF HER LIFE (Gordon Lightfoot) From: Art Thieme Date: 18 Mar 98 - 06:43 PM I was working at the Old Town Folklore Center in Chicago---1965 or 66---connected to the Old Town School Of Folk Music. A NEW singer named Gordon Lightfoot was in town to play at a folk club called Mother Blues. Chicago audiences had turned on to G.L.'s music because Bob Gibson was singing his songs around town. A friend named Guy Guilbert, brought the audition recording Gordon had sent to the club, into the shop for me to hear. (That floppy LP only had 4 songs on it.) This was one of them!
THE BEST YEARS OF HER LIFE chorus)
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Subject: Lyr Add: THAT WAS THE PRESIDENT, THAT WAS THE MAN From: Art Thieme Date: 21 Mar 98 - 03:15 PM THAT WAS THE PRESIDENT, THAT WAS THE MAN by Phil Ochs (revised version) The bullets of the false revenge have struck us once again, As the angry seas have struck upon the sand, And it seems as though a friendless world has lost itself a friend, That was the president, and that was the man. I still can see him smiling there and waving to the crowd, As he drove through the music of the band, And never even knowing no more time would be allowed, Not for the president, and not for the man. Here's a memory to share, here's a memory to save, Of the sudden early ending of command, Yet a part of you, a part of me is burried in his grave, That was the president, and that was the man. Everything he might've done and all he could've been, Was proven by the troubled traitor's hand, For what other death could wound the hearts of so many men, That was the president, and that was the man. The glory that was Lincoln's never died when he was slain, It's been carried over time and time again, And to the list of honor you may list another name, That was the president, and that was the man. |
Subject: Lyr Add: THAT WAS THE PRESIDENT AND THAT WAS THE M From: Art Thieme Date: 21 Mar 98 - 03:47 PM THAT WAS THE PRESIDENT AND THAT WAS THE MAN by Phil Ochs (original version) On a South Pacific ocean, on a South Pacific shore, A legend was written on the sand, For a man of peace was born in the middle of a war, That was the president, and that was the man. With the wisdom of the old and the vision of the young, A challenge was given to the land, And our dreams of peace were spoken with a gifted, golden tongue, That was the president, and that was the man. When the freedom revolution gave a rumble and a roar, The world was shown on which side he would stand, For the first time in a hundred years he opened up the door, That was the president, and that was the man. When a hungry world was searching for a way to feed it's own, The Peace Corps was offered as his plan, And now these seeds of knowledge go wherever winds have blown, That was the president, and that was the man. Everything he might've done and all he could've been, Was proven by the tainted traitor's hand, For what other death could wound the hearts of so many men, That was the president, and that was the man. No end to all the sorrow and the hours we shall grieve, So deep was the fire of his brand, And still I can remember, and still I can't believe, That was the president, and that was the man. Yes, the glory that was Lincoln's never died when he was slain, That glory shown with Roosevelt again, And to this list of honor you may list another name, For these were the presidents, and these were the men. |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE BOY SALUTES (Malvina Reynolds)^^ From: Art Thieme Date: 21 Mar 98 - 04:15 PM MALVENA REYNOLDS was a grand person, songwriter, singer, grandmother----I could go oh a long while. Of course, she wrote "LITTLE BOXES"---but she also wrote a song a day for many years. Here's a lesser-known song! THE BOY SALUTES (by Malvina Reynolds) a true tale--John Kennedy Jr. saluted as his father's casket went by. Those of us alive then remember all too well... The little boy salutes the casket, The caisson passing through, He salutes the nation's flag, As his daddy taught him to. CHORUS) There's so much anger in the air, So many bullets fly, It's time for love to take a hand, And love is passing by, Daddy, goodbye. The little boy stands on the curb stone, Where the black horse goes his way, There is no one in the saddle, Where a man rode yesterday. CHORUS) There's so much sorrow in the air, So many tears to dry, It's time for love to take a hand, And love is passing by, Daddy, goodbye. There's so much grieving in the world, Where the kings and princes go, And they walk like men in mourning, And their step is sad and slow. CHORUS) The little boy stands on the sidewalk, The children asking why, It's time for love to take a hand, And love is passing by, Daddy, goodbye. ^^ (in DT Apr 98) |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Art Thieme Date: 21 Mar 98 - 04:25 PM Good folks, Sure would be nice to find a song I haven't found yet posted here. I feel like one hand clapping... But maybe I found 'em all...
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Subject: Lyr Add: I'M CALLED LITTLE CAROLINE (M Schwartz) From: Art Thieme Date: 21 Mar 98 - 05:15 PM Here's one more for now! It's not an assassination song. BUT it is about the other sibling---Caroline Kennedy. In 1963 this song showed up. It's by by Milton Schwartz.
I'M CALLED LITTLE CAROLINE (to the tune of "I'm Called Little Buttercup") |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: dick greenhaus Date: 23 Mar 98 - 05:22 PM Art- Expertise is that small window in time between having been exposed to enough things to remember and not being able to remember them. I'll leave the challenge to those that find it challenging. THAT stuff, I remember. |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE STREETS OF DALLAS TOWN (B Griffith) From: Art Thieme Date: 04 Apr 98 - 01:12 PM THE STREETS OF DALLAS TOWN BY BENJAMIN GRIFFITH TUNE: "The Wearin' Of The Green" Americans, oh did ya hear the news that's going 'round, They've gone and shot John Kennedy on the streets of Dallas town. Chorus)He stood for human dignity and rights the world around, That's why they cut him down on the streets of Dallas town. Everywhere a chorus of hate had made an awful sound, That's why they cut him down on the streets of Dallas town. And you and I had listened and had not made reply, And that is why, in Dallas town, a good man was to die. |
Subject: Lyr Add: ELEVEN MILES AN HOUR From: Art Thieme Date: 06 Apr 98 - 08:29 PM "ELEVEN MILES AN HOUR"----(as done by the rock band WAS NOT WAS on their album _What Up Dog_ Title refers to the speed of the motorcade when JFK was shot. This was written with an awareness of the Abe Zapruder film of the assassination. The lyric also mentions Lee Harvey Oswalds possible role as a patsy for other interests: the mob, CIA etc. Lee Harvey O. never had no chance, He never caught a break, he never drove a Caddy, He joined the Marines to learn a skill, And that he did---he learned how to kill. Chorus Eleven miles an hour--such a deadly speed, Eleven miles an hour--the town a place of greed, They pulled their limousine down the street so they grieved, Came down like a shower at eleven miles an hour. JFK went down to Dallas, To cool some heels... To prove to the people that he was not afraid, He would wave to the people from a passing motorcade. Word came to Khruschev, "I'll leave Castro alone, If you take away those missiles--they're too damn close to home." The CIA, the Cubans and the underworld bosses, Decided that was it---they had to cut their losses. Lee Harvey O. was mode to order, A writer from the left crossin' the border, Earl Warren got a version out fast, America was happy---the patsy had been cast. Some of the words here I had a hard time makin' out. This was the best I could do. Art |
Subject: Lyr Add: PRESIDENT KENNEDY (Son House) From: Art Thieme Date: 26 Apr 98 - 11:31 AM Here's a strange song from the great Delta blues singer, Eddie Son House. After being "rediscovered" in the late 1960s, Son House recorded an album for Columbia. In the 1990s that album was issued on a CD. This song, which was not on the original, was on the CD. Mr. Kennedy was born but now he is gone, And he'll never return any more, Made me feel sad--he was the best friend we had, From the election...(can't understand) What Mr. Kennedy did tell will last me for years, His memory still rings in my head. Now, this we agree--he had a great family, They all seemed so happy and gay, From adults to a child they all seemed to have a smile, They must've been born that way, What Mr. Kennedy said will last me for years, His memory still rings in my head. Now, God bless little John--let little Caroline respond, And also their mother dear, His father and mother--sister and brother, They must've been born that way, What Mr. Kennedy did tell will last me for years, His memory still rings in my head! Art Thieme |
Subject: Lyr Add: GOD'S GAME OF CHECKERS (Dave McEnery) From: Art Thieme Date: 10 May 98 - 12:32 AM GOD'S GAME OF CHECKERS by Red River Dave McEnery (who also wrote "Amelia Ehrhart") RECITED OVER MUSIC!
Once upon a time there was a little boy who stood beside his grieving mother and watched a saddened nation bear, with pomp and ceremony, its president, his daddy. Far across the country in a western state, a silver-haired cowboy watched the scene on television with tear-dimmed eyes. His heart was burdened with sorrow as he sat down and wrote the little boy this letter:
According to history checkers is the world's oldest game dating back to the time of the ancient pharaohs. Thousands of years before Christ, our lord and savior. The checkerboard is a checkered square teaching us that we should all live on the square and always treat our fellow man fairly. There are twelve dark men and twelve light men--opponents on the board. In life we have men with souls the same way: some dark--evil, and some light--good. The dark checker makes the first aggressive move. The light must answer with skill not to be overcome. So it is in the world today. The aim of the men on the checkerboard is to reach the kingdom. So it is with us on earth. He who reaches the kingdom has won the ultimate game--the game of life and eternity. A man moves toward the king row and there are many traps and dangers of which he must be aware. Sometimes a man must be sacrificed so that others, in time, may win the final game. So it was with your daddy, boy. Old Glory is still waving, son, across our nation from the silver sands of Hawaii to the rocky coast of Massachusetts. And just like the great Americans--Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln--your daddy believed in God's game of checkers. In time a way will be found for all men to live as brothers. God grant we live to see that day. Some day the checkerboard of life will lead all men who believe to that great kingdom. |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Joe Offer Date: 10 May 98 - 01:25 AM Art, there's not much the rest of us can add, but I think that many of us are reading these songs with interest as you post them. Keep 'em coming. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: Lyr Add: 11 MPH From: Nora Date: 10 May 98 - 01:23 PM Art
I've got the lyrics for 11 mph. You're version isn't so far off. They lyric sheet in the CD isn't right either; the verses are in a different order. I love this tune. |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Allan C. Date: 11 May 98 - 09:28 AM Whippoorwill, You mention that you would have recognized it if it had been done by "the Kingstons". Is it possible that you may have missed one? There was a song written by John Stuart which sounded very "not Kingston Trio". It appeared on an album along with "Last Night I Had The Strangest Dream", and, "These Seven Men". But I'll be damned if I can think of what it was called. It starteded and ended with: "When you sit and wonder 'bout things that have gone wrong, Then I think you'll understand where our friend has gone..." These may not be the actual words, but I think they are close. |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Art Thieme Date: 11 May 98 - 11:09 AM THANKS FOLKS!! Allan C., the song you're thinking about is called "Song For A Friend" by John Stuart. I'll try to put it here later. John Stuart did a few songs about his reaction to the death of JFK and was heavily involved in Bobby Kennedy's later run for the nomination. He was traveling with Bobby & I saw him with RFK in Newport, Oregon (a rally) a week before Bobby was killed in California. Bobby Kennedy lost the Oregon primary to Minnesota Senator Eugene McCarthy (NO RELATION to the infamous Joe McCarthy of House Un-American Activities infamy). I was wearing a McCarthy button at that Bobby K. rally & was challenged by a supporter of Bobby's (a mountain climber named Jack Whittaker as I recall who scaled Mount Kennedy with Bobby---that peak was named for John Kennedy) 'caus he felt Bobby was the only one who could actually win. I recall telling that fellow that I was for McCarthy because he challenged Lyndon Johnson when we needed him & that I wasn't about to abandon him now that Bobby had jumped into the race. In hindsight I see that he was probably correct. So much for the ideals of youth...
Bobby Kennedy won the California primary a week later and it was at that victory clelebration that he was killed by Sirhan Bishara Sirhan who is still in prison for that. Art Thieme
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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Allan C. Date: 11 May 98 - 01:57 PM As usual, Art, you are right on top of it. Yes, that was the John Stuart song I was trying to remember - Hey! Wasn't that the name of the album? No matter. Your remarks about his association with the Kennedys reminded me that somewhere on the cover of that album it was claimed that John wrote the song the day after Dallas. I believe that the album was released almost immediately afterwards. |
Subject: Lyr Add: SONG FOR A FRIEND From: Art Thieme Date: 11 May 98 - 07:54 PM Hey, I think I've been spelling "Stewart" wrong. Sorry. SONG FOR A FRIEND by John Stewart
When you sit and wonder why things have gone so wrong,
Summer takes the winter and the good years take the pain, |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Chris U. Date: 12 May 98 - 02:31 PM My grandfather passed away several years ago, leaving behind a collection of newspapers he had saved over the years. Towards the bottom of one of the bundles was an old, yellowed Chicago Tribune from the day Kennedy was shot. You could have heard a pin drop when we came across that one.
As an aside, this thread keeps taking me back to another slain President and the words of Walt Whitman:
O CAPTAIN! my Captain! our fearful trip is done; But O heart! heart! heart! Chris |
Subject: Lyr Add: TRIBUTE TO JOHN F. KENNEDY From: Art Thieme Date: 13 May 98 - 01:41 AM Chris, Thanks so much!!
Believe it or not "Captain My Captain" was recorded as a song by Anthony Newley on the flip side of a real JFK assassination song: "Tribute To John F. Kennedy". Now I guess I'd better post that song!
It makes you sad to think on it how men will never learn,
Ch) The world was stunned and silent on that cold November day,
He died November 22nd in 1963,
He was more than just a leader; he was really a messiah,
He looked so young we wondered but he soon dispelled our fears,
He had the gift of laughter--a gentle comic sense,
His passing left a family to face the world alone,
It's hard to find a moral in this dread catastrophe,
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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Art Thieme Date: 23 May 98 - 01:18 AM The telephone rang and it would not stop, It was President Kennedy callin' me up, He said, "My friend Bob, What do we need to make the country grow?" I said, "My friend Jack, Bridget Bardot, Anita Ekberg, Sophia Loren--- Country'll grow!!!" (from a "rap" song by Bob Dylan) |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Rockaday Johnnie Date: 24 May 98 - 04:55 PM Hey Art - Here's an obscure recording..maybe someone can help you track it down. It MUST have some Kennedy comment --It's on a 45 (remember them?) from Chicago by Blind Arvella Grey (You knew him didn't you? he was a friend of Jim Brewers) The label number is Gray 100 -Side One is "Freedom Riders" and side Two is "Freedom Bus" --If anyone can find this please send it to Art (Or at least a tape). It was made in 1965(?) which actually seems a little late for the subject --Good Luck! "Tell yer Ma - Tell Yer Pa --Our Love's gonna grow wa wa" From a rap by Bob Dylan |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Art Thieme Date: 25 May 98 - 10:54 AM Rockaday Johnnie, Thanks!!! I don't have that song! Didn't know Arvella did that one. Sure would like to get it--even if only in manuscript form! Yes, I knew Arvella Gray. I've some good color slides of him playing his old National Guitar on Grand Ave. in Chicago outside the Grand & State Subway entrance (his favorite place to hit rush hour crowds for their change). Arvella only had a thumb & 1 or 2 fingers on his left hand so he always played with a bottleneck on his finger. He was at the first University Of Chicago Folk Festival back in 1961. WFMT taped the Fest & put his "Goin' To Heaven Blues" on the air. I've still got that song on tape. Goin' to heaven, gonna sit down on a chair, I'm goin' to heaven, gonna sit down on a chair, Gonna ask ol' Moses to sing me the walkin' blues! Art Thieme |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Rockaday Johnnie Date: 25 May 98 - 03:24 PM Art - I saw Arvella once - in '65 or '66 in front of Keoster Blues Record Mart - He played John Henry several times --My first introduction to bottleneck guitar -He did have several obscure recordings - I've not seen any myself but he recorded 4 tracks on an English lp (Heritage 1004) including John Henry -- He and Brewer recorded 2 45's for Gray -"Deborah"/"You Are My Dear" -Gray 13 And "John Henry"/"Walkin' Blues" -Gray 14. Jim Brewerss' I'm so Glad Good Whiskey's Back" is also on the Heritage lp - Maybe someday I'll find this lp... Sorry Folks this probably shouldn't have been put in this thread. |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Art Thieme Date: 26 May 98 - 12:22 AM Johnnie, The Jazz Record Mart was right there where I took those photos of Arvella---Grand & State St.--where the subway passengers climb to the street level. I did some research work for Bob Koester back in '64---looked up some Lemon Jefferson 78s on Broadway label for him in the card file (no computers then) at the Folksong Archive at the Library of Congress. First met Joe Hickerson that summer. Jim Brewer and I worked at the No Exit for many years back then. Him on Wednesday nights and me on Thursdays.The No Exit was just sold last week!! I played there for 37 years...but it's still there!!! Art |
Subject: Lyr Add: ON TOP OF GOLDWATER (Milton Schwartz) From: Art Thieme Date: 28 May 98 - 09:59 PM Here's one by Milton M. Schwartz from his songbook __SING ALONG WITH JACK---HIT SONGS FROM THE NEW FRONTIER__
This is presented here for Barry Goldwater---who is quite ill right now.
There's Ev'rett and Charlie,
With critical letters,
They're just being friendly, |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE STREETS OF DALLAS TOWN From: Art Thieme Date: 12 Jun 98 - 11:32 AM Good Folks' Here's another JFK song before I take off for a while.
THE STREETS OF DALLAS TOWN
Americans and did ya hear the news thats goin' 'round
Chorus) On the streets of Dallas town
He stood for human dignity and rights the world around,
Everywhere a chorus of hate had made an awful sound,
And you and I had listened and had not made reply, Art |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Art Thieme Date: 12 Jun 98 - 11:36 AM EVERYBODY---Joe & Max & all, Thanks for your patience!!! I FINALLY figured out how to BREAK off a line so's to get stanzas to post correctly!! And thanks for all the HTML info! Art |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Bert C Date: 12 Jun 98 - 12:36 PM Hey Art, you found it! I just cruised through this whole thread and noticed that the song you posted on May 13 appears to be the one Whipporwill was originally looking for. Congratulations! Bert C |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Art Thieme Date: 12 Jun 98 - 03:27 PM Seems that it was actually posted on 7/19/97 by Rich R. THE SUMMER OF HIS YEARS was the song from the TV show THAT WAS THE WEEK THAT WAS. Art ALSO: Sorry, I posted the last song twice it seems---once quite a bit earlier! When your memory goes, forget it! Art |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Bert C Date: 12 Jun 98 - 04:48 PM Art, Sorry if I misled you. I wasn't referring to "IN THE SUMMER OF HIS YEARS." I meant "TRIBUTE TO JOHN F. KENNEDY" that you said was on the flip side of "CAPTAIN MY CAPTAIN". (see 13May98) The chorus matches what Whipporwill originally asked for. Bert C |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Art Thieme Date: 12 Jun 98 - 07:41 PM Now I get it! Does take me a while sometimes. Anyhow, glad to have been of service! Thanks, Art |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Joe Offer Date: 13 Jun 98 - 03:58 AM Gee, Art, if you've figured out how to do line breaks, does that mean I'm out of a job? < grin > -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Art Thieme Date: 13 Jun 98 - 03:52 PM Joe Hickerson sent this to me back in 1964. It was in an article in the NEW YORK TIMES -- Sunday, July 12th, '64.
Sarajevo, Yogoslavia--July 11th
Not even the bird that makes it's nest coming {Folks, please keep in mind that these are graphic depictions of the emotions of that sad era; that's what you are reading here! None of the revelations of recent years were known! There had been no other asssassinations yet. This, and the other assassination songs I've posted here, were SPONTANEOUS OPUTPOURINGS OF EMOTION TURNED TO POETRY by folks from all walks of life. They allow you to travel back in time!} Art Thieme
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Subject: Lyr Add: BRAND NEW '64 DODGE (Greg Brown) From: Anne Date: 15 Jun 98 - 12:47 AM Greg Brown has a haunting reminder of those last innocent days before JFK died. This song is found on Poet Game available from Red House Records. 1-800-695-4687. BRAND NEW '64 DODGE Money comes out of Dad's billfold. Hankies come out of Mom's purse. The engine hardly makes a sound even when you put in reverse. It's got a push-button transmission, hardtop convertible 4-Door. It's November of '63 and the brand new Dodge is a '64. And we're rolling slow down Main Street-- the asphalt and the gravel crunch. Church is finally over and we're going to have our Sunday lunch. And then I will play football with my buddies down in the park. Later I'll dream about my girlfriend as I lie alone in the dark. She's got short red hair and blue eyes and her swimsuit is also blue and her little brother is retarded, but Jesus loves him, too. And Jesus loves our president, even though he is a Catholic. There's alot for a boy to think about as he walks along the railroad tracks. And my sister won't get carsick 'cause we're only going half a mile and the car still has that new car smell and Dad looks like he might smile and the world is big and full of Autumn and I'm as hungry as can be and we're in our brand new '64 Dodge November of '63. November...
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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Whippoorwill Date: 18 Jun 98 - 11:40 AM Art: I've been out of touch for a few weeks, and just saw your posting of May 13. That is exactly what I was looking for. My heartfelt thanks - that chorus had been boring into my tiny mind for the last 35 years. And thanks as well for the other good things you've posted. Whip |
Subject: Lyr Add: ASKING SONG (Tony Townsend) From: Art Thieme Date: 12 Jul 98 - 05:51 PM Whip, Thanks--glad I helped but it was by accident; I'd forgotten your original song quest! Art (Here's another one.)
ASKING SONG (by Tony Townsend)
Asking song we sing of him,
Who determines and who is to know,
How to honor him we knew Art Thieme
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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Art Thieme Date: 02 Aug 98 - 06:22 PM My Kennedy collection is at a possible publisher---even as we speak. Sent off the only copy as I couldn't get it coppied because of copyright problems (nobody would do it here)! Until later---END OF THREAD---at least for now. |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination & Funeral From: Sandy E. Dickerson sdi063@airmail.net Date: 09 Jan 99 - 01:38 AM I need these tivia questions answered before Sunday p.m..... Please help!! JFK's Code Name by CIA Jaquelyn's Code Name by CIA Name of Horse in funeral procession with one stirrup over back representing a "fallen leader". If you can help me pleae send to e=mail address aobve. |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Liam's Brother Date: 09 Jan 99 - 11:41 AM I seem to recall that Big Joe Williams may have written a song about the assassination. I will try and look for this next time I go to the storage room. All the best, Dan |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Art Thieme Date: 09 Jan 99 - 02:54 PM I seem to remember that the name of the horse was BLACKJACK (after Gen. Pershing's nickname). JFK's codename was something like JAVELIN (or SPEAR or MISSILE)---something like that... Dan, BIG JOE, who first gave me the idea for a 9-string guitar, sang his JFK assassination song on the LP I mentioned earlier in this thread (now not a thread, but a ball of string) __CAN'T KEEP FROM CRYING--TOPICAL BLUES ON THE DEATH OF JOHN KENNEDY__ (a CD now). P.S.---I just ordered your CD from Sandy. Truly lookin' forward to hearing it. Art |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Art Thieme Date: 24 Jan 99 - 12:18 PM Is the subject of this thread anything less than the facade we're forced to watch being played out in slow motion in the halls of Congress as we speak? I think not! I look at both houses of that institution and all I can think of to say is, "ET TU BRUTE" Art
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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: katlaughing Date: 21 Jul 99 - 11:50 AM Here ya go, Art. I found it in Forum search with your name as User. I was wondering if anyone was going to do a thread for JFK, Jr. I would love to see the song you mentioned. love, kat |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE BOY SALUTES (Malvina Reynolds) From: Art Thieme Date: 21 Jul 99 - 07:35 PM Kat & Joe, Thank you! Some day I'll figure out how to do these things. I actually did put my name in & was told the search found nothing... (A doctor once told me the same thing when he looked into my ears!)
Anyhow, this song, "THE BOY SALUTES", was written by Malvina Reynolds. Issue #37---January 1st, 1964 -- @Schroder Music Co. Art
The little boy salutes the casket,
Chorus)
The little boy stands on the curb stone,
2nd chorus)
There's so much grieving in the in the world,
3rd chorus)The little boy stands on the sidewalk, |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Art Thieme Date: 21 Jul 99 - 08:22 PM WHOOPS!! Seems I already posted "THE BOY SALUTES" a long while back. (sheepishly, "sorry".) Here'a suggestion: Please look at "God's Game Of Checkers", posted earlier in this thread. It was recorded by Red River Dave McEnery, the composer of "Amelia Earhart's Last Flight" on Bluebonnet Records. It's a "letter of support" from R.R.Dave to the young John jr. following the death of his father. Art
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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Sourdough Date: 21 Jul 99 - 08:46 PM Red River Dave wrote a song about a kennedy. It is called "The Ballad of Dike Bridge", The Story of Mary Jo Kopeckne. A friend gave me the sheet musinc back when the song was new-minted. I had just returned from Chappaquidick and had seen, first hand, the roads and the bridge. I have no idea where the sheet music is today. I expect it will bubble to the surface in the ocean of "things" i have collected over the years. This time, I'll grab it! RR Dave didn't get much coverage of thatsong. He did better with his Ballad of Appolo 11. Sourdough |
Subject: Lyr Add: THERE'S A NEW MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE From: Art Thieme Date: 21 Jul 99 - 09:26 PM Here's a song that came out right after John Kennedy jr. was born.
THERE'S A NEW MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE
November 1960 will go down in history,
chorus)
There's going to be some changes made the White House never saw,
chorus)
He's sitting in the White House on the highest chair of all, chorus)
There's a new man in the White House, |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: katlaughing Date: 21 Jul 99 - 10:17 PM Thanks, Art. I was wondering why nobody started a thread about JFK Jr. I didn't because I still held out hope. What a sad, sad thing to have happen. Those poor families. It just doesn't seem fair. His dad was the first president I really was old enough to take an interest in; the day he was killed I almost gave up trying to understand politics and violence, along with a whole lot of other things. May they all rest in Peace Profound and may Caroline Kennedy stay safe within the bonds of love of her remaining family. kat |
Subject: Lyr Add: MY DADDY IS PRESIDENT From: Art Thieme Date: 21 Jul 99 - 11:11 PM One more old song from those Camelot years--this time about Caroline Kennedy.--------Art
MY DADDY IS PRESIDENT
My daddy is president--what does your daddy do?
My daddy is president--we had a busy day,
At his first press conference I made news,
My daddy is president---we make a happy pair,
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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Max Date: 21 Jul 99 - 11:19 PM Was Leadbelly's "He is the Man" about JFK? |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Art Thieme Date: 22 Jul 99 - 10:23 AM An amazing idea, Max! I don't know. Anyone else have an idea ? Art
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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Art Thieme Date: 22 Jul 99 - 10:25 AM Wait, Leadbelly died in 1948---right? Couldn't've been about JFK. Right? Art |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Art Thieme Date: 01 Nov 00 - 05:13 PM refresh |
Subject: Lyr Add: BILLY SOL From: Art Thieme Date: 01 Nov 00 - 06:15 PM Billy Sol tune: Jay Gould's Daughter by D. Brooks
From the town of Pecos in the heart of Texas,
Chorus:
When he was just a boy the people they did say,
Billy Sol studied hard and he soon could see,
Well, Billy sol learned; what do ya think of that?
If you really want to be a great capitalist,
Set youyrself up with those invisible tanks,
Some folks failed as Billy wheeled and dealed,
Billy farmed the farmers, they were his meat,
Assistant Labor Secretary Holleman was full of fear,
Out onto the floor stepped Senator Yarborough,
Congressman Anderson has a little coal mine,
Now President Kennedy declared, "What impropriety,
Now Washington's excited and they're going to invesatigate, -------------------------------------------------------------------------
BILLY SOL
It was in the year of 1953,
Chorus)
Billy started out with just one little lamb,
J.F.K. denied and Orville Freeman sighed,
And now I'd like to say that crime sure doesn't pay,
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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: GUEST,Gator gone Adirondack... Date: 02 Nov 00 - 06:43 PM I'm amazed..... Been into Gordon since '69... (Old Dan's), and Never heard this song.... And I thought I had them all... Goin' back to "Lightfoot" . How did I miss it,,, And how may I find it??? Thanks!!! |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Art Thieme Date: 02 Nov 00 - 10:10 PM I don't think Gordon ever recorded it. It was on a 4-song demo 7-inch LP (33 & a third rpm) he sent around to clubs in the later 60s to hustle work. I taped it off that little record----one he had sent to a folk club bar called MOTHER BLUES that was owned by the late great lady, Lorraine Blue. Amazing music was heard in that club. Art Thieme |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Ebbie Date: 02 Nov 00 - 10:47 PM Who are (Theordore)Sorenson, (Pierre) Salinger, (Adlai)Stevenson, (Arthur) Schlesinger, (McGeorge) Bundy and (?) Dillon and (Dean)Rusk???? E'er late than ne'er, Art! (Who is Dillon?) Ebbie |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: MarkS Date: 02 Nov 00 - 11:58 PM Probably C.Douglas Dillon, the Secretary of the Treasury. The rest were cabinet members and advisors. Together with luninaries like MacNamara they made up the Best and the Brightest and gave us the Vietman war. Guess I'm really showing my age. More trivia - what was the first name of McGeorge Bundys brother? MarkS |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: GUEST,paddy Date: 03 Nov 00 - 12:03 AM God Almighty, let the poor man rest. He wasn't that great of a president (even less of a man) after all. |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Art Thieme Date: 03 Nov 00 - 01:18 AM YES, all members of the cabinet during the reign of J.F.K. Folks, I am still looking for songs about the life, times and assassination of John Kennedy. The collection is now at the Library of Congress but my search goes on. The two songs I just posted here on Billy Sol Estes were asked for in another thread but digging those two out gave me a chance to revive this old thread. One never knows what might turn up. Thanks again. If nothing else comes of this I'll revive this thread yet again..........in another year-------or so... Art Thieme |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: rube1 Date: 03 Nov 00 - 06:10 AM Here's one for you, "Right on Houston" by White Self Existing Dog. Great song, great video at the Incredibly Small Concert Hallhttp://www.smallhall.com/WSEDog/dindex.html I'm not so good at links so you might have to search it out. He turned right on Houston Should have just kept going But he turned left on Elm Cause he had no way of knowing ... |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: mkebenn Date: 03 Nov 00 - 08:17 AM MarcB, As I remember, Phil Ochs was attacked in South Africa during a robbery. His vocal chords were damaged so badly that he could no longer sing and that is why he took his own life. I've got to believe that given the great volume of work he created he must have gotten over the "Dylan" thing. Clack, Clack, Clack John Stewart, from "Willard" Clack, Clack, Clack, as the train goes rollin' down the track to carry me home, back where I belong.{repete} That was Bobby's song that I wrote without thinking,every word, every word. Now that Bobby's gone, this is my world crying when I heard, when I heard. Newbie member, Mike Bennett |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Art Thieme Date: 03 Nov 00 - 03:34 PM Mike, John Stewart was traveling with Bobby Kennedy and singing songs to push his candidacy. I saw him at a rally for Bobby in Newport, Oregon--on the coast. Bobby lost that primary to m' man Eugene McCarthy. One week later, Bobby was murdered in Los Angeles. Art Thieme |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Art Thieme Date: 28 Jul 02 - 11:59 AM REFRESH for Greg Stevens |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Nigel Parsons Date: 29 Jul 02 - 09:33 AM Despite the "Refresh" above, this thread has moved on! please post new messages to This Thread. New messages to This Thread |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Art Thieme Date: 17 Dec 03 - 01:21 AM refrsh For the folks interested in this topic who only know the other short thread. Art Thieme |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: GUEST,whitelf2000 Date: 17 Mar 04 - 06:34 PM I'm looking for a song about the death of JFK and it goes like this: On Nov 22 1963, a sunny day in TX in a town they call big D a man was killed and changed the entire course of history, his name was John Fitzgerald Kennedy...... can someone help me with this song tks |
Subject: Lyr Add: NOVEMBER 22ND 1963 (Tom T Hall) From: Art Thieme Date: 18 Mar 04 - 12:59 PM The song you are looking for was written by TOM T. HALL. Here are the words as sung and recorded by Jimmy Newman. November 22nd, 1963 When you sing this song be brave and sing it loud and strong and clear, John F. Kennedy was not a man to ever speak in fear, Pick up the flag, march on in peace and pray that there will be More men like John Fitzgerald Kennedy. On November 22nd, nineteen-hundred-sixty-three, A sunny day in Texas in a town they call Big D, A man was killed who changed the course of history, His name was John Fitzgerald Kennedy. He was riding in a motorcade that sad and fateful day, Mrs. Connelley turned to him with a voice so proud and gay, She pointed out that people here had treated him real nice, Minutes later bullets took his precious life. Mrs. Kennedy cried, "O, no." and she caught him as he fell, What the world lost at that moment only history can tell, They rushed him to the hospital---took five minutes on the way, As the word flashed 'round the world to stop and pray. It was over in just minutes; John F. Kennedy was dead, Disbelief, shock and sorrow; the people bowed their heads, Mrs. Kennedy stood by him as the tears came to her eyes, Put her ring upon his hand and then kissed him goodbye. The pens of man will scribble on in sad futility, Perhaps a paragraph or two will touch reality, John Kennedy was proud and brave and his story has been told, May his home be blessed and may God rest his soul. Sing the first verse once more. Art Thieme--I hope this helps you out. |
Subject: Need help with a Kennedy song From: GUEST,cmh Date: 31 May 04 - 12:41 AM My father part-recorded a song from the tv coverage of Bobby Kennedy's funeral that was shown in Australia. I've never been able to track down either the songwriter or the title and I don't know whether it was originally written for JFK or RFK or was a folk song adapted for the occasion. My Dad reckons it is by Tom Paxton. I don't think so, although I understand that Paxton played "Outward Bound" for a CBS memorial for Robert Kennedy. Anyway, here's the fragment I recall: Where then lay you down On a hillside by the town Some may say goodbye, they will But I know your heart is beating still Can someone help me out here? I've been trying to track this down for over 20 years. |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 31 May 04 - 05:18 PM Anniversary of Bobby's death on Friday - June 4TH. I hope that song turns up. And I'm also curious about any songs written about Bobby Kennedy's assassination. |
Subject: Lyr Add: WELL THEN, LAY YOU DOWN From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 31 May 04 - 10:03 PM Dear CMH, It seems rather fitting that this is Memorial Day here in the USA. Many of us then alive hated to see Robert Kennedy pick up the torch where his brother had put it down. It seemed to be tempting fate. There is a photo I took of Robert Kennedy and his wife Ethel campaigning in the town of Newport, Oregon in the primary -- 1968--on the site with all my other mostly folk scene photos I've taken over the last four decades. Go to: http://rudegnu.com/art_thieme.html The song you are looking for actually was written by Tom Paxton. It is called WELL THEN, LAY YOU DOWN Ah, you knew it had to come, One more day of muffled drums, You knew it, ah, you had to know, And still your courage told you, "Go." (chorus) Well then, lay you down, On your hillside by the town, Some will say farewell, they will, I think that heart is beating still. Ah, you knew how this would end, You made the friendless man your friend, We knew the danger and told you so, And still your courage told you, "Go." Now they've wrapped the train in black, Gathered along the railroad track, You knew it, ah, you had to know, And still your courage told you, "Go." When the truly brave man dies, Thousands more will surely rise, You knew it, ah, you had to know, Their courage too will tell them, "Go." (Art Thieme |
Subject: Lyr Add: SECONDS and GLAD I'M NOT A KENNEDY From: GUEST,CMH Date: 01 Jun 04 - 10:49 PM Art, You're a godsend. Do you happen to know whether Paxton ever recorded Lay You Down? In thanks, let me add to this thread's impressive collection of lyrics. The first song is called "Seconds" by a UK 1980s group, Human League: All day Hiding from the sun Waiting for the golden one Waiting for your fame After the parade has gone Outside was a happy place Every face had a smile like the golden face For a second Your knuckles white as your fingers curl The shot that was heard around the world For a second Refrain : It took seconds of your time to take his life It took seconds (Refrain) It took seconds of your time to take his life It took seconds of your time to take his life Seconds Seconds (Refrain twice) For a second (Refrain twice) For a second It took seconds of your time to take his life Seconds of your time to take his life For a second For a second For a second The second song was a big hit in Australia and New Zealand in the 1985. It interweaved lyrics with extracts of JFK speeches quite well. The music video featuring JFK footage was also popular. It was called "Glad I'm Not a Kennedy" by Shona Laing, a New Zealander: Living on through politics Body-guarded, heart in bits A blue-eyed honesty Indigo injury The family tree is felled Bereavement worn so well Giving up on certainty Wilderness society Wearing the fame like a loaded gun Tied up with a rosary I'm glad I'm not a Kennedy Imagine being a Kennedy Rule without remedy To watch your family die The world loves a sacrifice Prophets longing for the three Honouring the tragedy They hunger for the crime The privilege to take a life Wearing the fame like a loaded gun Tied up with a rosary Ooh, I'm glad I'm not a Kennedy ...and is not peace basically A matter of human rights? The right to live out our lives Without fear of devastation? The right to breathe air As nature provided it? The right of future generations To a healthy existence? Let us if we can step back from The shadows of war and seek out The way of peace... I love the look in your eyes I can see your soul sometimes and we laugh When we try too hard we stop and start Oh imagine being a Kennedy I'm glad I'm not a Kennedy Wearing the fame like a loaded gun Tied up with a rosary I'm glad I'm not a Kennedy Imagine being a Kennedy Ooh I'm glad I'm not a Kennedy ...the cost of freedom is always high, Yet one path we shall never choose - that is the path of surrender or submission. When a man's way please the lord, The scriptures tell us, 'He maketh even his enemies To be at peace with him'. We will not prematurely or unnecessarily Risk the course of worldwide nuclear war In which even the fruits of victory Would be ashes in our mouths Ashes in our mouths... Ashes in our mouths... Ashes in our mouths... Regards CMH |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 02 Jun 04 - 05:41 PM UMH, Thanks so much for those songs. I'd never seen them before. The collection just keeps on growing. ----------- And a big thank you to those who have found other songs on JFK that I'd not heard. Now that I cannot drive or travel much I don't get around to look for these real documents. But the www has made it possible for me to keep on keepin' on with it. I wish I could figure out a way to selectively print out songs and portions of these threads. Whenever I try to do that my printer seems to think I want it to print EVERYTHING-- and it's almost impossible to get it to quit without a hot shutdown. Once I was told to highlight the thing I want to print first---but that doesn't seem to work for me.---- Oh, well, that's life. By the way, the whole basic main collection is now at the LIBRARY OF CONGRESS ARCHIVE OF FOLK CULTURE. It looks like I'll definitely have to update that. Again, thanks !!! Art Thieme |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 02 Jun 04 - 05:54 PM When I want to print anything from the threads, I highlight it, copy it, and then paste it in Word, or something, and print from that. ................... But I find it strange in a way that there seem to be so few songs about Bobby's assassination than John's. There was a sort of dramatic inevitability about the event that gave it the feeling of a borde ballad. |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 03 Jun 04 - 09:12 PM McGrath, Hello-- Yes, there really is that much difference between the man in the office of president of the USA and one who just wants that post. It's like the Queen Bee as opposed to just a very good worker bee. And it is also very difficult to imagine the very real affection Americans felt for JFK----especially now---after Nixon and Watergate, and Johnson and Viet Nam, and Reaganomics, and Bush's assault on the things that made others look up to American ideals -- if not Americans. And the monumentally huge and insane mob action onslaught of people who crucified Bill Clinton just for sayin', "No, dad, I never had sex with her." But there really was a huge spontaneous outpouring of emotion that people needed to "get out"---and so all these songs. Bobby was promise---but JFK was like having Cary Grant in the White House. (That's interesting---another Kerry !!! History DOES repeat I guess. It just costs twice as much every time around.) ;-) Bobby did have promise---but he was no John Kennedy. Art |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 04 Jun 04 - 01:10 PM Two myths in play here - one is the King who is killed after victory. The other is the Hero who is defeated on the eve of victory. Agammemnon or Achilles. |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: GUEST,Mark Anthony Date: 31 Jul 04 - 03:33 PM Just read through the thread from 1997. Very,very interesting. Art Thieme has done a great job! My favorite JFK song (so far anyway) is the "Children of the New Frontier" by John Stewart. Aside from "Can't Keep from Crying" are there any other JFK related song compilations? Thanks, Mark |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: GUEST,Eric Date: 01 Aug 04 - 02:52 PM John Stewart's Last Campaign album is themed around Bobby Kennedy - it is a putting together a lot of John's songs which were influenced by his time on the road with RFK in the 1968 campaign as well as the one he wrote just after the assassination [Clack, Clack]. There are some great songs there. For more info on John look at http://www.bitemyfoot.co.uk. Eric |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 08 Aug 04 - 01:14 AM Thanks to you all for the insights. Art |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 22 Nov 04 - 09:05 PM Nov. 22, 1963 REFRESH |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Peace Date: 22 Nov 04 - 09:43 PM Good one, Art. Thank you. |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: GUEST Date: 25 Jan 05 - 12:17 AM Hello I seach any information where I could find the song "November 22nd, 1963" by Jimmy Newman (Art Thieme posted the lyrics above). I searched the web and several record shops. I know it was on a compilation album. But I have no more informations. Can somebody please help ? Thanx in advance |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 25 Jan 05 - 07:44 PM We are about to move and my Kennedy songs collection and allied materials are all packed up. I'm not sure when I'll be getting to 'em again. A copy of the whole thing is available at the U.S. Library Of Congress--Washington D.C.---in the Archive Of Folk Culture (formerly The Archive Of Folk Song). Sorry--for now. Art Thieme |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: GUEST,Guest Date: 12 Feb 05 - 09:41 PM Folks, I'm looking for lyrics to a JFK assassination song I remember, but which I don't see here. It was on a 45 RPM record we had when I was a kid, so I'm thinking it had to be from the 60's or maybe early 70's. it pronounced out "On November twenty-second, Ninteen-hundred sixty-three..." I remember the words, "...slayer's bullet took his precious life." I'm trying to remember more to nail it down, but I just have these bits and pieces. Anyone know an artist and title? Thanks! |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 12 Feb 05 - 10:51 PM It sounds very familiar, but we are still packed up. I'll get to the collection eventually. Art |
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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: KenBrock Date: 24 Feb 06 - 10:48 AM "The Warmth of the Sun" was written by Brian Wilson because of the JFK assassination, though it is not mentioned, and recorded by The Beach Boys. It is about the loss of a friend. The Kingston Trio changed the setting of "Big Ball in Town" from Nashville to Boston (adding a pretty good JFK impersonation), in celebration of the JFK inaugural. |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: GUEST,guest Date: 24 Feb 06 - 11:02 AM I have a signed autograph of JFK an original..Is it worth much .. |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: GUEST,guest Date: 24 Feb 06 - 11:05 AM sorry it should have read..a letter from his secretary..also signed by JFK..plus a colour photograph also signed by jfk |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Louie Roy Date: 24 Feb 06 - 09:41 PM It has been a long time since November the 22nd 1963.At that time Iwas the Elected State Chaplain of the Veterans Of foreign Wars and I got a letter from President Johnson for all Chaplains of the Veterans of foreign wars to have a special tribute or program honoring this PresidentI did put together some inspiring words and I had the State Department Commander to call a special meeting of the Department Council members and we did honor John Fitzgerald Kennnedy witht the proper ceremony.I also sent this memorial to a Natiomal Orginiziation and was awarded $600.00 for the best memorial or essay that was submitted.I will not bore the members of something I wrote 43 years ago.I also have the book honoring him called the Passing Of The Torch Plus and 2 different Newspapers with all the gory details.Louie Roy |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 24 Feb 06 - 11:50 PM Louie Roy, A very nice remembrance. Like the individual songs, you have shown us another glimpse into those times. Art Thieme |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Louie Roy Date: 25 Feb 06 - 01:23 PM Than you Art for the kind words.I remember where I was at and what I was doing when I first heard the news about JFK.I'm sure at least 95% of every man woman or child who was alive that day also remember where they were and what they were doing.It was hard for us to believe that such a tragity could occurr in this great country,but that just shows even today we all live under an allusion |
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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Little Robyn Date: 23 Nov 06 - 02:19 PM Most people remember where they were and what they were doing when they heard the news. I heard a song about this a few years back (I think Debbie Gillanders sang it but I can't find it on tape). It covered things that were happening at the time, when she was just a kid, but her memories were different from other people's memories. She couldn't figure out how that was, until she realised that the Kennedy she'd heard about was actually Bobby, while everyone else was talking about John. I don't know where Debbie is these days, to ask her about it. Robyn |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Little Hawk Date: 23 Nov 06 - 02:26 PM I remember both of them. Like it was yesterday. |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Janie Date: 23 Nov 06 - 09:19 PM We were talking about this at work yesterday. One person compared the national shock and horror as matched only by that of 9/11. I think I agree. The assassination of a national leader today would not cause nearly as strong a reaction....an understandable but sad comment on how our perception of ourselves and our society have changed. We probably have a more realistic view of ourselves as a nation. It has made us cynical. Janie |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 09 May 07 - 11:37 PM Here are some murder ballads. Art |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: GUEST,Mike B. Date: 10 May 07 - 01:30 AM I think Steve Gillette wrote a song focusing on the conspiracy theories surrounding the assassination - can't recall the title, however. |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: GUEST,Waco Jacko Date: 10 May 07 - 03:29 AM British heavy rock band Saxon, recorded "Dallas 1pm" which was a stand out track (and great riff) at their live shows. |
Subject: Lyr Add: IN THE SUMMER OF HIS YEARS From: GUEST,edthefolkie Date: 10 May 07 - 07:08 AM Don't know if Art is still looking at this thread.... One of the early postings is the Herbert Kretzmer/Dave Lee song "In The Summer Of His Years" which Millicent Martin performed on the BBC's TW3 the weekend of JFK's assassination. The song stuck in my mind and I was sure there was another verse. A trawl of the Web revealed a fuller version: A young man rode with his head held high, Under the Texas sun, And no one guessed, That a man so blessed, Would perish by the gun, Lord, would perish by the gun. A shot rang out like a Southern shout, And Heaven held its breath, For the dream of a multitude of men Rode with him to his death Lord, rode with him to his death Yes, the heart of the world weighed heavy With the helplessness of tears For the man cut down in a Texas town In the summer of his years In the summer of his years And we who stay mustn't ever lose, The victories that he's won, For wherever "man" looks to Freedom's past, His soul goes riding on, Lord, his soul goes riding on! Apparently Connie Francis and Mahalia Jackson and others recorded versions of this song and it's on a BBC album somewhere too. ALL the versions I can find are different - folk process again. Ed |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 10 May 07 - 10:24 AM Guest Edith Folk, I do remember that verse. Actually I taped the song off USA TV when the "That Was The Week That Was" program was shown on American TV. I remember David Frost being the host. Art |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: GUEST,edthefolkie Date: 10 May 07 - 11:18 AM I was 16 when JFK was shot so was at an impressionable age. Lots of us at our rather staid school used to watch TW3 every week - it was like a breath of fresh air, along with Dylan, the Beatles etc, and was required viewing. So when the programme started that Saturday night (it was live by the way)we all expected them to speak for us - and they did. Kretzmer and Lee must have written that lyric and tune extremely quickly - it still stands up today, which is remarkable. I know Millicent Martin was nearly overcome with tears when she had to sing it. I don't care about all the dirt which has (supposedly) been unearthed about JFK since his death - the world was a much worse place after he went; a lot of hopes died with him. Ed |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 10 May 07 - 07:52 PM Aye, you are correct. I lost a bunch of my youth that day. And now I see that it wasn't Edith Fowke---it was Ed The Folk. I see the pun of things even when it's not there. My cross to bare. Just a thought: What is worse, Kennedy acting out sexually, as we all did in the '60s because that's the way things went down then. Why? Because we could, and it was fun. And there was no HIV. It was a whole other ethic. To judge it from here and now seems a bit insane. Things are what they are at any given point in history. Endure it all, be glad it didn't kill you, and move on. So there! Art |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Jack Campin Date: 10 May 07 - 09:18 PM Somebody remind me what the anti-Polaris song was that Folkways wouldn't include on their LP because it attacked Kennedy? Some of us were not particularly grieved to see the comeuppance of a overprivileged trigger-happy nutter who had presided over the invasion of Vietnam and came within a hairsbreadth of turning the earth into a radioactive hell. |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: GUEST,Ken Brock Date: 11 May 07 - 10:25 AM I think the Beatles "I Am the Walrus" should be considered, because of the dialogue from Act IV, Scene 6 of King Lear that is heard during the fadeout: OSWALD Slave, thou hast slain me: villain, take my purse: If ever thou wilt thrive, bury my body; And give the letters which thou find'st about me To Edmund earl of Gloucester; seek him out Upon the British party: O, untimely death! Dies EDGAR I know thee well: a serviceable villain; As duteous to the vices of thy mistress As badness would desire. GLOUCESTER What, is he dead? EDGAR Sit you down, father; rest you |
Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Art Thieme Date: 23 Nov 07 - 09:52 PM refish for anniversary of the deed |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: songs about the Kennedy assassination From: GUEST Date: 22 Nov 10 - 08:29 PM there was a song about Bobby in the 60's, i dont know the title but some of the verses was, sock it to me Bobby; sock it to me Bobby if you have any info. on this song would you please shear it with me thanks a lot Don my email address bigd44@windstream.net |
Subject: "In The Summer Of His Years" - Mahalia Jackson From: Genie Date: 22 Nov 10 - 09:02 PM Here's "The Summer Of His Years" sung by Mahalia Jackson. I really liked the Chad Mitchell Trio recording, but this one is much, much more haunting. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: songs about the Kennedy assassination From: Effsee Date: 22 Nov 10 - 10:15 PM Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination From: Jack Campin - PM Date: 10 May 07 - 09:18 PM Some of us were not particularly grieved to see the comeuppance of a overprivileged trigger-happy nutter who had presided over the invasion of Vietnam and came within a hairsbreadth of turning the earth into a radioactive hell. Jack, you're assessment of Kennedy's policy does not stand up to historical evidence. It would seem more likely that his assasination was because of his policy of withdrawal from Vietnam. I know it's 3 years since your last comment...but times move on eh? |
Subject: Lyr Add: HOMENAJE A JOHN F. KENNEDY (Jose Morante) From: TonyA Date: 22 Nov 10 - 10:38 PM HOMENAJE A JOHN F. KENNEDY by Jose Morante, of the conjunto band Los Conquistadores, of San Antonio. (JFK was serenaded in San Antonio the day before he died, and this song was written immediately after his death. Morante was born in 1918, recorded on Bluebird in the mid-30's, later on Decca, Columbia, Ideal, and his own Norteño label. The recording of this song was re-issued as part of the 1976 12-LP album "Folk Music in America" issued by the Library of Congress.) Como homenaje sincero, canto su vida y su muerte, del hombre que el mundo llora, porque fue un gran Presidente. Kennedy tuvo la dicha de demonstrar su valor en la guerra que pasara el año cuarenta y dos. Fue commandante de un barco en las islas del Oriente. nunca soñaba que un dia podria a ser el Presidente. Anduvo por todo el mundo. No hubo enemigo capaz de atentar contra su vida de este gigante de paz. En la Alemania cautiva, sobre el cercado se vio, brindarle un gran homenaje por la esperanza que dio. Mexico le abrio sus brazos como a ninguno jamas. Kennedy hizo justicia, regresando el Chamizal. Kennedy se vino a Texas, y a San Antonio llego; entre homenajes y fiestas el pueblo lo cautivo. Iba por Austin y Houston a saludar su nacion, porque era grande de todo, sobrado de corazon. El ventidos de noviembre no se me podra olvidar, porque sin causa o razones su destino fue fatal. En Dallas se le esperaba, lo grand de la ocasion nunca hubo presentimiento de una horrorosa traicion. En su carro iba su esposa y el señor Gobernador; los dos iban saludando cuando un balazo, se oyo. Alzo los brazos al cielo, sin saber que le pego; se oyo otra bala certera, y el Presidente cayo. Su fiel esposa al momento con su cuerpo lo cubrio, y al senor Gobernador la otra bala le pego. Esta es la historia mas negra que al mundo entero enluto, cuando la vida de un grande un aesino trunco. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: songs about the Kennedy assassination From: GUEST,November 22nd, 1963 Date: 20 May 13 - 10:53 PM Please someone tell me who recorded this song? When you sing this song be brave and sing it loud and strong and clear, John F. Kennedy was not a man to ever speak in fear, Pick up the flag, march on in peace and pray that there will be More men like John Fitzgerald Kennedy.
On November 22nd, nineteen-hundred-sixty-three,
He was riding in a motorcade that sad and fateful day,
Mrs. Kennedy cried, "O, no." and she caught him as he fell,
It was over in just minutes; John F. Kennedy was dead,
The pens of man will scribble on in sad futility, |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: songs about the Kennedy assassination From: Bob Bolton Date: 21 May 13 - 12:14 AM G'day Art Thieme posted it (Date: 18 Mar 04 - 12:59 PM) well up above The song you are looking for. It was written by TOM T. HALL. Here are the words as sung and recorded by Jimmy Newman. November 22nd, 1963 When you sing this song be brave and sing it loud and strong and clear, John F. Kennedy was not a man to ever speak in fear, Pick up the flag, march on in peace and pray that there will be More men like John Fitzgerald Kennedy. On November 22nd, nineteen-hundred-sixty-three, A sunny day in Texas in a town they call Big D, A man was killed who changed the course of history, His name was John Fitzgerald Kennedy. He was riding in a motorcade that sad and fateful day, Mrs. Connelley turned to him with a voice so proud and gay, She pointed out that people here had treated him real nice, Minutes later bullets took his precious life. Mrs. Kennedy cried, "O, no." and she caught him as he fell, What the world lost at that moment only history can tell, They rushed him to the hospital---took five minutes on the way, As the word flashed 'round the world to stop and pray. It was over in just minutes; John F. Kennedy was dead, Disbelief, shock and sorrow; the people bowed their heads, Mrs. Kennedy stood by him as the tears came to her eyes, Put her ring upon his hand and then kissed him goodbye. The pens of man will scribble on in sad futility, Perhaps a paragraph or two will touch reality, John Kennedy was proud and brave and his story has been told, May his home be blessed and may God rest his soul. Sing the first verse once more. Art Thieme--I hope this helps you out Regards, BobB |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: songs about the Kennedy assassination From: GerryM Date: 17 Sep 20 - 06:29 AM The Millicent Martin performance of In the Summer of His Years starts 2 minutes in, at https://youtu.be/h56_IbHqTIo (blue clicky maker wasn't working) |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: songs about the Kennedy assassination From: Joe_F Date: 17 Sep 20 - 05:31 PM I wish we said "President Kennedy's assassination" (something that happened to a human being) rather than "the Kennedy assassination" (one of the assassinations we keep in stock for our customers' entertainment). But journalese has triumphed. |
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