BS: JFK revisited

Subject: BS: JFK revisited
From: GUEST,ro1sin
Date: 21 Nov 03 - 05:22 PM

a quote from the times and life


"Don't let it be forgot, that once there was a spot, for one brief shining moment that was known as Comelot."

Subject: RE: BS: JFK revisited
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Nov 03 - 05:39 PM

I remember Camelot. :)

Subject: RE: BS: JFK revisited
From: GUEST,Kim C no cookie
Date: 21 Nov 03 - 05:43 PM

It's only a model.

Subject: RE: BS: JFK revisited
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 21 Nov 03 - 11:13 PM

No, it was beautiful, while it lasted. The press was respectful of the office in those days; war was never going to happen again; we all believed their government was for the good of the people. It was indeed a Camelot time, and with JFK's assassination, innocence and hope were lost, and have never been recovered.

Subject: RE: BS: JFK revisited
From: InOBU
Date: 22 Nov 03 - 01:28 PM

For those who don't remember, it wasn't perfect, the missile crisis was a bitch, but there was a feeling the fellow was rising to the challenge - and history shows he was growing. But, as a young fellow, the presidents physical health challenge - his call to us to be phisically fit - not his back problems, his dedication to old values of liberity, made it feel like promicing times... not like the present. And then it all came crashing down.
Larry

Subject: RE: BS: JFK revisited
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Nov 03 - 03:04 PM

And you had the feeling that someone who was really concerned with the well-being of the country's entire population, and who knew what he was doing, was in charge . Intelligence, caring, and charisma.

Not too many like that lately. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: JFK revisited
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Nov 03 - 03:45 PM

Nowadays, any progressive or Democratic candidate with intelligence, caring, and charisma is savagely set upon by the mainstream as being a candidate of the lunatic left fringe, with no hope of getting the nomination, much less winning the presidency.

Makes one proud to be a flag waving, anti-terrorist, Bush supporting, realistic American, doesn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: JFK revisited
From: Mickey191
Date: 22 Nov 03 - 04:44 PM

Some of you have echoed my feelings exactly, Larry,Ebbie, PDC & Don. It was, in retrospect, a time of hope & pride & we "liberals" thought alot of the wrongs were going to be addressed. The great Society Mandate meant alot to many people, and yes he did rise to the occasion in the Cuban Missile crisis. i watched some old newsreels today & dropped a few tears, for them all, John,Robert, Martin,Evers,The 3 civil rights boys and the Children in the Alabama
Church. It seems all the shed blood & broken dreams
have been for naught. We've gone backwards, it seems as though our elected officals, from the president on down to the local councilmen, put every avaristic, self aggrandizing notion ahead of John Q. Public. Our welfare is never considered. We're just the poor souls who pay their inflated salaries, and cushion them against having to go out and earn a living the hard way. It was Camelot-for brief shining moment, and I don't give a rat's ass how many women he had!

Subject: RE: BS: JFK revisited
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Nov 03 - 05:06 PM

Kennedy would have a real rough go these days.

It's not the mainstream (unfortunately, the "informed electorate" needed to preserve a democratic government) that does it. Products of the media, they usually tend to be pretty befuddled. The real "savagely setting upon" is done by the Right in general—and neoconservatives in particular. This kind of thing, mixed with attempts at character assassination, has always been a general, scatter-shot political technique, ever since the invention of elective politics. But it was usually frowned upon as below-the-belt tactics by decent politicians (I have hope that "decent politicians" is not always an oxymoron, but then I would like to be optimistic). Within the past decade or so, it has been adopted by neoconservatives as a THE weapon of choice to use against any opposition, liberal candidates (anyone to the left of Genghis Kahn), critics, or anyone who expresses doubts about administration policies. An example of this are the vicious and unrelenting attacks on both of the Clintons right from the start (long before Monica). This, and a salacious and compliant press. Other examples are attempts to characterize the current crop of Democratic candidates, many of whom are pretty middle-of-the-road by yesterday's standards, as a bunch of "flaming liberals" or worse.   

Karl Rove is a master at smear campaigns and "getting people." When Ambassador Joseph Wilson embarrassed Bush by disputing his claim that Iraq tried to buy uranium in Africa and Wilson's wife was subsequently outed as a CIA agent, the leak was known to have come from the White House, and this sort of thing is a Karl Rove specialty. He sits in his White House office (the same one Hillary occupied) and plots various kinds of assassinations. Not with real bullets from a rooftop or real daggers in a dark hallway, but quotable quotes to leak to the press. Machiavelli could have taken lessons from Rove. Look for a lot of this kind of thing in the 2004 presidential campaign.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: JFK revisited
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Nov 03 - 05:39 PM

Karl Rove, Paul Wolfowitz and their ilk are committed to a wholesale change in election procedures, employing dirty tricks, and Gerrymandering of states that amount to stacking the deck in ways that practically ensure that conservatives will always & forever win the important contests, while retaining the 'look' of freedom & democracy.

It is not 'quite' too late to deal with this, but a bunch of folks better wake up pretty soon, before the very RULES of choosing our representatives, presidents and judges are changed. (Not to mention the energy policies, foreign policies, Medicare rules..etc...)