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Subject: What can't be talked about here? From: GUEST,marty D Date: 12 Sep 00 - 11:38 PM I've spent a few days trying to get a sense of how Mudcat works, and I've seen many topics discussed, even SEX and religion! A little research has shown me that it's better to stay out of Irish independence discussions unless you are ready for a fight, but not much is sacred here. I love Doc Watson, Dylan, Tom Rush and a lot of folk music but it seems that people's interests are pretty broad. Anything taboo? M |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Bill D Date: 12 Sep 00 - 11:46 PM depends of who you ask..*grin*....since it is a 'open' forum, the sign over the door gets ignored a lot, as you have noticed..It is the best programmed and arranged forum on the WWW, so lots of folks flock HERE to talk..It IS a folk music forum, but some of the regulars are so eclectic that they can't keep their knowlege and interests focused narrowly...and it has become a true 'community' with all the BS that goes along with that...*smile* You sort of post your thoughts and dodge! |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: The Beanster Date: 12 Sep 00 - 11:54 PM Can't think of anything that would be taboo, martyD. If something's on your mind, post it, stand back and see what happens. People here are very generous with their knowledge AND their opinions which sometimes makes for lively discussions--a big plus, in my book. No matter what subject you choose, you'll probably get a broad range of responses back, pro and con. Mudcat's a great place. Jump right in, don't be shy. And WELCOME! |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: DougR Date: 13 Sep 00 - 12:39 AM My hunch is, Guest Marty D, you could post a message expressing your opinion on the sex life of cockroaches, concentrating on the best way to do "it," and recieve multiple responses. As far as U.S. respondents are concerned, those of the Liberal persuasion would argue that cockroaches should be allowed to "do it" but they should do "it" in a "certain" way in order to be acceptable. Those of the Conservative persuasion would probably tell you that they just envy the lucky cockroach. Of course I'm speaking from the conservative point of view! DougR |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: catspaw49 Date: 13 Sep 00 - 12:45 AM Well Doug, Kendall would tell you that your party is running a cockroach for President.(:<)) Spaw |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Lady McMoo Date: 13 Sep 00 - 04:00 AM Music? Folk? Blues? Instruments? Peace mcmoo |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 13 Sep 00 - 04:07 AM Cockroaches be damned,let's hear it for the earwig.
The only thing we can't talk about on the Mudcat is
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Ella who is Sooze Date: 13 Sep 00 - 04:34 AM Cockroaches are the work of the deeeeevvvvvviiiiiilllllll. lol heck heck heck blurgee disgusting things. Ella |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: GUEST,micca at work. Date: 13 Sep 00 - 05:05 AM I thought earwigs were things for folks with bald ears.... |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: kendall Date: 13 Sep 00 - 08:55 AM The only thing that I would consider "Taboo" is degrading another member. You may destroy his position, or his opinion, but, not the person. For example, Doug and I are poles apart on politics, but, I think we recognize that we are both decent people. Part of being a "liberal" is allowing Doug to be wrong! By the way Doug, it is the conservatives who want to dictate what the roaches do with their own bodies! |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Big Mick Date: 13 Sep 00 - 09:25 AM Kendall is right on the mark, my friend. The fact is that blues and folks music is inspired by the human condition. This forum is about the music, but what sets it apart is that is also about the events, people, issues, etc. that inspire and incite the music. That is why it trips down so many paths. You mentioned that Irish Independence should be avoided. Not so. While those threads get pretty hot, if you go through them you will gain an amazing amount of knowledge. That knowledge will cause a great deal of understanding. But I really would like to second Kendall. One may debate fiercely any issue they would like. One may be as provocative as they wish to be. But if one chooses to do that, they will be responded to. Nasty and degrading comments usually cause folks to just quit listening to you, AFTER they have verbally cut the offender up. Welcome to our little village. We are very glad you are here. Post often, enjoy the knowledge and wit. I would recommend that you read the Permathreads at the top of the the Forum Home list. Big Mick |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Hollowfox Date: 13 Sep 00 - 09:44 AM Welcome, Marty D. While this folk forum is pretty free-wheeling, there are some taboo topics - not that they haven't come up in the past. Flaming, hurtful, pointless postings and suchlike about cover it, though. As I understand it, other forums have more problems with this than we do here, but this problem has happened a bit in the past. Come on in and join the fun! |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Pseudolus Date: 13 Sep 00 - 09:46 AM Taboo? Hmmmmm..... We have threads about whether or not people should post to that thread, we have threads about politics, music bests, and music worsts. We have threads disecting when does a song become a song. There are many threads asking for lyrics and some that add new lyrics. We have agreements, disagreements, jabs, jeers, supporting comments, occassional flamers (inciteful commenters), song challengers, BS-ers, Hearme singers and listeners, posters, readers, and two pretty teal threads for teh visually dependent. Mostly, I've found abunch of friendly, opinionated (in a good way), caring, people who will discuss almost anything that comes to the table. Frank |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Rick Fielding Date: 13 Sep 00 - 10:13 AM Hello Marty, I see from a couple of posts that you're starting to find your way. A couple of years ago, there might have been a reasonably extensive list of things; most to do with "keeping it folky". Mbo's love affair with Oasis would have raised an eyebrow or two (mostly from folks who'd never heard of them) and the "healing threads" got some folks a bit steamed. I remember discussions on alternative sexuality, guns (lots), New Age stuff, Confederate Flags, mental illness, handicaps, etc. Can't remember if abortion was in the mix, but it's obviously an issue and highly emotional to some, along with welfare, anti-smokers rights and many other touchy social issues. Mick, can't agree with you on the Irish threads. There appears to be no history that's acceptable to both sides, so it's tricky to separate (almost) fact from (almost) fiction. From an anecdotal point of view, those discussions are fascinating though. You (Marty D) are welcome to jump into them, but I keep my distance...and as Mick said, you can learn a lot from them. Oh I forgot. The only taboo subject is "don't discuss the Beatles or Led Zeppelin with Kendall". It's a strain on his heart, and I want him around for a few more years! Rick |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: SINSULL Date: 13 Sep 00 - 10:13 AM Earwigs are the disgusting things that people secretly place in the ears of sleeping victims in horror movies. They drill their way through the brain and come out the other side. Saw one show where the victim (who had actually paid a native to put it in the ear of the husband of a woman he wanted but said native got confused and I guess assumed it was a suicide.)survived the ordeal. The bug or worm came out the other ear. Then he was told the bad news - it was a female earwig and his head was full of larva which would hatch out in a matter of days and tunnel through his brain. Have I drifted from the original topic??? Next week I will fill you in on the Prometheus Beetle - a firefly/roach which when attacked burns hot enough to start fires. Burned down every major city in the US before it was stopped. I do read a lot of trash. Mary |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: tar_heel Date: 13 Sep 00 - 10:59 AM GOOD GRIEF!!! |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: MMario Date: 13 Sep 00 - 11:10 AM Sinsull - the prometheus beetle? Thought they'd been stomped out? Haven't heard a thing about them in years ( I also read way too much "under-appreaciated literature") |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: GUEST Date: 13 Sep 00 - 11:40 AM Hell, there are no rules here - we're trying to accomplish something. -- Thomas A. Edison |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Bert Date: 13 Sep 00 - 11:41 AM Talking of earwigs, my Dad sings this.... The funny little Ogo-Pogo, The funny little Ogo-Pogo, His Mother was an earwig, his Father was a whale and I'm gonna put a bit of salt on his tail and the Lord Mayor of London, the Lord Mayor of London, the Lord Mayor of London wants to put him in the Lord Mayor's Show. |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 13 Sep 00 - 11:52 AM The Prometheus beetle wasn't STOMPED out; it was SNUFFED out! Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: SINSULL Date: 13 Sep 00 - 12:02 PM True Dave. And it was illegal to own any. BUT one demented scientist kept a few and discovered that they not only communicate with each other and work in teams but were capable of communicating with humans. When there were enough of them, they flew in formation (Yes they could fly - like NYC waterbugs) and spelled out "Hello" quotation marks and all. Kind of like malevolent Charlottes (who for non-readers spelled out messages in her webs). Of course, they were off and running again and burned the above mentioned scientist to death just for the fun of it before destroying the world. Anyone have a copy of this classic? It warrents re-reading. |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Catrin Date: 13 Sep 00 - 04:09 PM Sinsull, can I have some of what you're on please? *BG* Catrin |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Mrs.Duck Date: 13 Sep 00 - 04:18 PM I don't like earwigs or cockroaches or woodlice or wasps and I'm not right keen on locusts either so can we not talk about any of those please |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: MMario Date: 13 Sep 00 - 04:37 PM Are you sure you are a duck? all the ducks down at our pond LOVE earwigs and sowbugs/woodlice and locusts and grassyhoppers |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 13 Sep 00 - 04:37 PM Don't go believing the urban legends about earwigs. Othwerwise you'll never be able to camp at folk festivals, because anytime you wrap up your tent you find the litle buggers trying to hitch rides with you, and they must have been there all night...
And anytime you unroll your tent there are a few who've made it through. They move around the country following the festivals. There's probably a new species of folkie earwigs being evolved.
And the poet laureate of the folk scene (in England) Les Barker has of course immortalised the famous Earwig O. ("Earwig O, Earwig O ,Earwig O, Earwig O, Earwig O ,Earwig O-O"). As has been pointed out, you can talk about anything here and someone is sooner or later is going to tell you it's not relevant or out of place. But what matters is an underlying attitude of tolerance of diversity, and avoided being nasty to other people. Don't foul the watering hole. |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Little Hawk Date: 13 Sep 00 - 04:49 PM My chinchilla's sex life. That absolutely cannot and WILL not be discussed here. Not under any circumstances. Okay? |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: MMario Date: 13 Sep 00 - 04:54 PM Little Hawk - I used to have a pair of chincilla's - had 'em for about a year and a half. the week AFTER I gave them back to the HS science department the female (named Magdalena Schmachpfieffer) birthed a trio of kits. (The male was named Homer Snodgrass) |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: mousethief Date: 13 Sep 00 - 05:10 PM Little Hawk: can we sing about it?
We can talk about the Irish problem,
We can talk about sex, and God, and Goddess,
(Chorus:)
Now we can talk about gun control
But Little Hawk's Chinchilla (repeat chorus) ------- |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: catspaw49 Date: 13 Sep 00 - 05:15 PM Hawkster's chinchilla has no sex life, much to his chagrin. The thing is still pining away over the loss of Major Tom, psychotic astronaut. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: mousethief Date: 13 Sep 00 - 05:17 PM Can I still sing about it though? There have been times in my life when a fictional sex life was the best I could muster. |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: SINSULL Date: 13 Sep 00 - 05:21 PM And just how are the little Schmachpfieffer-Snodgrasses,M.Mario? Separate cages? No funny stuff, right? We don't want to upset little Hawk. Or are there now multiple Schmachpfieffer-Snodgrass-Schmachpfieffer-Snodgrasses? |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: MMario Date: 13 Sep 00 - 05:30 PM heck! I don't know, that was ....uhmmmmmm...28 years ago! good grief! They could have populated half the world by now! |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 13 Sep 00 - 05:30 PM Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent Ludwig Wittgenstein.
And from the same fella: Everything that can be said can be said clearly. |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Ebbie Date: 13 Sep 00 - 05:48 PM Funny stuff, mousethief! LOL Ebbie |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: mousethief Date: 13 Sep 00 - 05:54 PM Thanks, Ebbie! |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: DougR Date: 13 Sep 00 - 06:04 PM Kendall, Spaw, you're funny. Sinsull, you paid good money to see a movie like that? DougR |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Sula Date: 13 Sep 00 - 06:17 PM Someone told me today about a british spider which drinks drool from the corner of your mouth while you're asleep! Rarely if you disturb it, it takes shelter in your mouth. How gross is that? Probably not as bad as chinchilla bedroom etiquette. :-)) Sorry all you just about to go to bed, Sweet dreams, Sulaxxx |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Midchuck Date: 13 Sep 00 - 06:26 PM It's important to remember that we have members from many nations, so one shouldn't make jokes that rely on unfair stereotypes. For instance, a great many members reside in the British Isles, so such a joke as: Q: Why don't the British manufacture computers? A: Because they haven't yet figured out how to make them leak oil. would be strictly forbidden. Peter. |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Catrin Date: 13 Sep 00 - 06:34 PM Ha Ha MC. You haven't seen my plywood keyboard have you? Or my hand-knitted microphone. What's that dripping? Oh no, the damned leaky plastic monitor that I bought from a jumble sale for 50p (thats about $1) ............. |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Lepus Rex Date: 13 Sep 00 - 06:58 PM Well, I'm still mourning the death of my pet cockroach, Stumpy, so maybe you all could saysomething POSITIVE about the poor little creatures? *sob* ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: wysiwyg Date: 13 Sep 00 - 08:03 PM It has seemed to me that whatever has not been possible to discuss effectively here simply has lacked sufficent realtionship to handle it at the time it was raised, and that once the reltionships have been built, those same topics have come back and been are handled well. In that sense, the immediacy of cyber communication usual in many settings seems to need to be tempered here with the realization that we are likely to wish to be here for long enough to learn how to get along, and that it is well that we do so, for many of us will be back tomorrow. If we leave issues dangling as obstacles between us, they make this a lot less fun to come to, and a lot less rewarding as a place to reach one another's best thoughts. There is also a surprising LACK here of people using terms like IMHO, FWIW, NOI... I think it's a good thing, actually. We all seem to assume these into place and it is safe enough here, despite the occasional blow-torching, to express ourselves. Finally, it is hard to effectively object to a topic when its relationshoip to the music is clearly spelled out. It's easy to spot people who just want to drop in and rant or to troll for a ranter to give in.... and to ignore them. This place tends to reward people who are trying to THINK and COMMUNICATE, however, with excellent attention and support. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Jolly Date: 13 Sep 00 - 11:12 PM Liitle Hawk, if you only have one chinchilla, I hope it doesn't HAVE a sex life! Unless it's cavorting with cockroaches. Kim |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Mbo Date: 13 Sep 00 - 11:18 PM HA HA my mother and sisters are still reveling over my spectacular roach-smashing performance last Saturday. Almost put a hole in the wall, I did...but dang those hightops come in handy! |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: richlmo Date: 13 Sep 00 - 11:35 PM Guest marty D Does all this answer your question? |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Art Thieme Date: 14 Sep 00 - 12:44 AM I do wish there were rules and that Max (whose site this is) would delete all threads, contributions and discussions that weren't about FOLK MUSIC. This would not include ANY pop music, modern country music after 1940, all navel-gazing singer songwriter's touchy-feely songs, all songs more properly termed "self help", all classical and jazz etc. etc. etc. Drums would be banned. Electric instruments played with strident intent that could be seen as obscuring the lyric would be banned. Max does not see things the way I do. That's O.K. So I just put my two cents in here to state my personal wishes. But if this was my site, things would be different. All that said, I'll put up with things as they are 'cause it's the best of all possible worlds. And I AM truly happy to be here. Max, thank you. You, sir, and the site you've built, are something else !! Art Thieme |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Art Thieme Date: 14 Sep 00 - 12:51 AM My previous post was not worded correctly I don't think. It ought to say : This site would not include ANY pop music, country music after 1940--etc......... Sorry. Art |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Lena Date: 14 Sep 00 - 03:34 AM Mbo had an affair with OASIS?!Let me crash my head against the screen.... |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Lena Date: 14 Sep 00 - 03:41 AM Art Thieme,I'm sorry I was born after the 40es(exactly 21 years ago) and that i was lucky anough to listen to a lot of recent music that made me cry and laugh and that I'd like to share it with everyone I care about.("Phrases like:You're a folk singer/I play classic music/He makes terrible noises' are to be considered incorrect from now on,since all music is folk music"...Blacking) |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Lepus Rex Date: 14 Sep 00 - 05:55 AM Art, just curious here, what would be your cut-off date for blues, then? ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: GUEST Date: 14 Sep 00 - 06:24 AM Maybe Art is a 'Folk Nazi' |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Lepus Rex Date: 14 Sep 00 - 06:42 AM Wow, amazing entry, guest. Art's entitled to his opinion, just like you are. The thing is, Art has the balls to sign his name, unlike you. ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: GUEST,Repus Lex Date: 14 Sep 00 - 06:46 AM Maybe Art is a 'Folk Nazi' ---Repus Lex |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Midchuck Date: 14 Sep 00 - 07:12 AM Art, why 1940 in particular? I would accept commercial country music right up to the time they changed the procedure for counting record sales and discovered that Garth Vader was the overall best-selling singer. And the money boys jumped in in a big way, and decreed that, in order to get radio play, a "country" singer had to have a huge hat and a tiny butt (if male) or a cute belly button (if female)and sing recycled 1970's rock. I think that was more like 1985. Peter. |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: SINSULL Date: 14 Sep 00 - 08:46 AM Correction: they were Hephaestus beetles. The Prometheus Crisis was a different book (these are books not movies, paperbacks bought for a dime at a local bookstore). That was the story of sabotage at a nuclear plant by a disgruntled employee. The meltdown eliminated the west coast although I don't think they noticed-the sixties after all. The last scene is in New York where scientists are watching a nuclear cloud drift across the country and the world preparss for nuclear winter. DougR - for some reason it was never made into a movie. I do however have two VCR copies of "Day Of The Triffids" and the original book in hardcover. The primary rule of enjoying fiction of this type is to learn to devour an entire volume in one hour or less. Put your brain in neutral and go for it. |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: kendall Date: 14 Sep 00 - 10:30 AM Art, I'd really like to hear your definition of "Folk Music." |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: GUEST,marty D Date: 14 Sep 00 - 10:40 AM richLmo, I guess it answers my question, but Praise, I'm not sure if I agree that serious thoughts ARE rewarded. Mudcatters have been very nice to me so far, so I don't like to make waves, but it often seems that the comments that have nothing to do with the original discussion get immediate responses which make it difficult to return to the original topic. I really appreciate Art's comments. I think he may be a bit restrictive in his boundaries, but it lets me know how he feels about what's talked about on Mudcat. I can hardly believe that because he treated the subject seriously, someone calls him a 'folk nazi'. Wasn't that done to death on another thread. And didn't enough people say that the term was hurtful? I'm not complaining, that's just the way I see it. M |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: MMario Date: 14 Sep 00 - 10:46 AM marty, meet a "troll" - someone who is trying to get a rise out of people...an internet form of life that most people could do without. You will notice that when Lepu_rex accussed the anonymous person of not having the guts to sign a name, the next posting was someone signing lepus rex to the same "nazi" comment. ignore them |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Peter T. Date: 14 Sep 00 - 11:59 AM The cat part of Mudcat is that there is a certain amount of domestication that goes on here, but it doesn't totally work, which is good. You put down the litter tray, and the cat goes into the box, and deliberately hangs out over the edge and pees outside. Why this is, Heaven knows: part of its perverse charm. yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: MMario Date: 14 Sep 00 - 12:00 PM y'know why cats do that? it keeps their feet dry! |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Little Hawk Date: 14 Sep 00 - 01:31 PM mousethief - I love the Chinchilla song. With any luck I will sing it at song circle in Orillia one of these days. LOL! |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: DougR Date: 14 Sep 00 - 01:44 PM Peter, I think you nailed it on the head as far as Country music is concerned. Art: When I was growing up we referred to what we now call "Country" music as "Hillbilly" music. Then there was "Western" music as typified by Gene Autry, Roy Rogers, Jimmy Wakely, Eddie Dean, and folks like that. If you drew the line at the 1940s, you would be eliminating an awful lot of good Bob Wills, Pee Wee King, Ernest Tubb, Roy Acuff, Eddy Arnold, stuff (as well as many others), in my opinion. I did think of one topic that cannot be discussed on the Mudcat though: Spaw's underwear. We can talk about his not wearing any of course, but that would be a mighty short thread. DougR |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Bill D Date: 14 Sep 00 - 02:01 PM well, in past posts, I said things similar to what Art posted..maybe not quite so limited..(also wishing that there WERE sites similar to this which catered to the topics which Art & I and a few others dislike)...but I, like Art, recognize that it remains a fine place, even with all the hassles of sorting thru the chaff to get a bit of wheat....So I have 'adapted'...doesn't mean I 'accept'. |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Rick Fielding Date: 14 Sep 00 - 02:11 PM Yeah Art, I'd love it if the emphasis was on: 1. Old time string music (and traditional bluegrass) 2. Acoustic blues (white and black) from the twenties and thirties. 3. North American and British Isles ballads. 4. technical tips on singing and playing. 5. Intelligent discussions on politics, religion, history, humour, and psychology. Ahh hell, this is as close as I'm gonna get, so I'll only whine occasionally. It ain't the Utopia I found two years ago, but it's still the next best thing. I've sure made some damned good friends from Mudcat. Rick |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: kendall Date: 14 Sep 00 - 03:37 PM Hey Doug, I have a cd of Roy Acuff the goes back to 1936 |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: DougR Date: 14 Sep 00 - 06:13 PM Kendell: Probably has "Wabash Cannonball" on it, right? That's a real oldie! Or, "Great Speckled Bird!" Doug |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Art Thieme Date: 14 Sep 00 - 07:22 PM Folks, All I said was that I love this place in spite of the fact that it isn't run the way I prefer --- with an iron fist --- like the Ballad-list. If it does not fit their definitions, the site's moderator will not allow it to be posted. That is the right of those operating ANY site, after all. This site reflects Max's wishes. As I said, that's fine. Someone asked what my definition of folksongs is!!?? Check out my responses to so many threads exploring that than I can even count. I'd be willing to guess that I've posted way over 100 posts over the last few years on this very topic. Why did I do it? It's certainly not out of disrespect ! It's certainly not to flame anyone here ! I'm simply trying to educate folks who are too young and inflexible to see that they just dopn't have the knowledge to know what folk songs are. So many today think they can change time-tested definitions just to fit what they like best into the old term folksong. I ought to know better, at my age, to quit pissing into the wind. But I'm out of the loop now---off the circuit now---not traveling now. I don't need to be, at least some of the time, politically correct. I don't have to be diplomatic. I'm not looking for gigs any longer. I'm not selling LPs out of my trunk now. Look, kids, I love ya all. You have much talent. I do enjoy listening to many of you-----especially the ones who strive to emulate the old traditional story songs---the ballads.---Just realize that, in my humble opinion, you have been miseducated !!! IT'S NOT ALL FOLK MUSIC. You owe it to yourselves and your audiences to be able to see the obvious differences and present your songs accordingly. The folk scene should not be a springboard to pop/Nashville success where the term folksinger must be disavowed and tossed in the garbage like hot, rotten potato. I, for one, refuse to compromise what I strongly feel to be the truth just to be liked. I've never been a people pleaser---except when it was in the interest of my family. I told jokes for years JUST to PUSH the songs I cared so much about a bit further into the spotlight. Carol need to use the phone to call the doctor so I've gotta leave you and free up the phone. Later. Art Thieme |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Little Neophyte Date: 14 Sep 00 - 07:32 PM Mr. Thieme you make good speeches. I think you are my new hero and if you ever decide to run for president, why I'd vote for you. Although I can buy your music off the net, I'd rather buy some of your LPs out of your trunk so that I would have a chance to chat with you and learn some things. Why you taught me everything I know about hobos. Bonnie |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: wysiwyg Date: 14 Sep 00 - 08:03 PM Peter T, you got the only belly laugh outta me today. That was so good. (MMArio, you too, I never knew that was why. Fussy lil critters.) Marty D, I think they are rewarded, in the long run. You know what keeps surprising me? The number of people who come here and read, but don't post, till something finally grabs then real hard. And then you see how very much they have been getting out of the discussions, without having given any indication they even were here. I think about those people a lot. I feel a real obligation to remember that they are here just as much as we who post. Also, I think often that some of what comes across as flip or rude is actually a real attempt to break tension before something gets out of hand. Often these hit the mark dead on, like how Peter T's catbox comment hit me. All the hot air ran right out of me. And what a week it has been to try to think and write and keep from giving into the hot air. (I am sure I failed! *G* It was good to get punctured!!!) Sometimes these miss, badly, or they are dead on to people who know the poster but are a hurt to someone else. But on a good day, and there are many here, it's a place where a good mind is welcome. Yours, for instance. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: MMario Date: 14 Sep 00 - 09:29 PM Art - I don't think anyone was jumping on you; just some of the peole haven't seen your previous postings. I know *I* certainly respect your position, though I don't have the knowledge or the willpower to adhere to it. |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: WyoWoman Date: 14 Sep 00 - 10:33 PM Well, Marty D, the Mudcateers have answered in their (our) inimitable fashion. Life is hardly ever linear here, but sometimes very satisfying, if not pretty, circles do get drawn. And more often the include than keep out. And ... if you start a thread and find it wandering too far astray, just go back in like ol' Shep and nudge all these little billy goats and nannies back toward the gate you opened. Welcome to the 'Cat. It's a nut house, but it's our house and the door's open as long as you play nice and don't clobber anyone personally. As far as taboos, there aren't many -- and yet the self-regulating part of the Mudcat (the coolest part, as far as I'm concerned) tends to turn down tempers when they get too hot, and steer away from topics that get too raw or insulting. It's sort of like the definition of pornography -- we can't define it, but we pretty much know it when we see it. (I also would keep a pretty careful watch on what personal information I give out. Join the 'cat and then you can go to a personal message if you want to get on less-virtual terms with someone.) Good to have you here. WyoWoman |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Mbo Date: 14 Sep 00 - 10:38 PM Don't talk bad about me when I'm gone! (one of my late grandfather's favorite songs) |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: WyoWoman Date: 14 Sep 00 - 10:39 PM Mine, too. |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: death by whisky Date: 14 Sep 00 - 10:50 PM Dear Art,to me, U2...Sunday Bloody Sunday Stiff little Fingers...Altrnative Ulster Christy Moore...The Sirens Voice{Traveller Album} ..are all what I would define as modern folk songs,reflecting issues of our time. Best wishes,D.B.W. |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Mbo Date: 14 Sep 00 - 10:55 PM Don't forget the whole Diesel & Dust album by Midnight Oil. Great stuff. Modern music about real issues. |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Big Mick Date: 14 Sep 00 - 11:04 PM Well, what I use to define those types of songs is to call them "Songs in the Folk Tradition". I would categorize much of Rick's original stuff this way. And one day, after the folk process has had its way with them, they will become folk songs. But they are definitely folks songs. One of the things taught to me by The Folk Fogey, The Resident Curmudgeon, and Art "If I had a hammer, I'd hammer into yer thick Irish skull what folk music" Thieme is what the criteria used for a very long time to determine the difference between folk music, music in the folk tradition, and music influenced by folk. But if you want to figure it out you will have to do a search on these discussions over the last 3 or so years. Take the time, you will enjoy it, and the credits count towards your degree folkology from dear aul Mudcat University and Used Tiple store. Big Mick |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: DougR Date: 15 Sep 00 - 02:13 AM "Please," MBO, if that's the song I think it is, Please don't forget to include "Please" in the title, Please. "Please Don't Talk About Me when I'm gone." A Mills Brothers hit in the late 40s or early 50s. Your grandfather had good taste. Love that song too. Of course if I'm thinking about a different song ... DougR |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Mbo Date: 15 Sep 00 - 11:51 AM Yep, that's it, Doug. His other favorites were "Sidewalks of New York," "Hail Hail The Gang's All Here," and "When The Red Red Robin Come Bob-Bob-Bobbin' Along". |
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Subject: RE: What can't be talked about here? From: Art Thieme Date: 15 Sep 00 - 12:37 PM The red, red robin was really only a good ol' Democrat. As opposed to Cock Robin--whose real name was...
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