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Subject: weather??? From: little john cameron Date: 10 Jan 01 - 06:58 PM Is it jist me or is the weather aw ower the world gettin worse?Storms,tornadoes,floods an various ither catastrophes happenin in places that are no used tae it.Dae ye think the END IS NEAR?An than there is the wars an genocide,the Ozone depletion,screwin up o the rain forest,ah could go on but ye get the idea.Whit dae ye think aboot it? ljc |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: catspaw49 Date: 10 Jan 01 - 07:01 PM I think we're OK, but several generations down the line are probably fucked. Just an opinion.......... Spaw |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: Allan C. Date: 10 Jan 01 - 07:20 PM I agree, Spaw' but the doomsday oracles and hard bitten revelationists are having the times of their lives as they inform us that the time is close at hand. |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: little john cameron Date: 10 Jan 01 - 07:22 PM aye Pat,ah agree, but it seems tae be gettin faster aw the time so mibbe we'll be screwed anaw as we're no that auld. ljc |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: Sorcha Date: 10 Jan 01 - 07:23 PM But they always have, haven't they? We keep hearing about Global Warming, but the winters in Wyoming are as bad as ever......"and there will be wars, and rumours of wars, and pestilence and famine"......when has this not happened? |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: little john cameron Date: 10 Jan 01 - 07:27 PM So dae ye thik ah'm worryin unduly Sorcha? ljc |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: Allan C. Date: 10 Jan 01 - 07:30 PM ljc, worrying of any kind is rarely a worthwhile endeavor. |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: kendall Date: 10 Jan 01 - 07:43 PM Relax John, Scotland will be one of the last places to go under! |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: Ebbie Date: 10 Jan 01 - 07:44 PM We are having a really unusual winter here in Alaska. Record breaking stuff. Fairbanks which routinely has -40 degree temperatures, and on occasion, gets really cold weather, is enjoying 20 degrees above temperatures. Anchorage which normally has lots of snow by this time has none. Juneau has not yet had a decent snowfall this winter, and our temperatures have been going as high as 51 degrees. Hey, those are practically summertime temps here! I don't think the end is near- what's 'end' and how do we define 'near?- I think we're tilting! In 50 years Juneau will probably have banana and papaya groves and killer bees, snakes and possums. Last week when Florida had 31 degrees, we stood at 43! This time of year, normal for us is from -5 to +20. (All temps Fahrenheit) Ebbie |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: catspaw49 Date: 10 Jan 01 - 07:49 PM In Florida, Hell was freezing over after the guy who lost the election was awarded the presidency. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: Sorcha Date: 10 Jan 01 - 07:55 PM That's gotta be why, spaw! In Wyoming, we usually get 1 or 2 weeks of below 0 F. in Jan or Feb, this year we got it in mid Dec. I figure there will be another week or 2 of it before March. About the normal amount of snow for Torrington, but we are in a deep valley, and never get a lot of accumulation. We are called "The Bannana Belt" of Wyoming........I'm cold from Nov to June..... "What, me worry?" Pointless exercise, ljc. Either it happens or it doesn't, but there is not much you can do about it, now is there? If it happens, you will live or you will die. If you live, life is gonna be a bitch afterwards, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: little john cameron Date: 10 Jan 01 - 07:55 PM Ach lads,the peoblem is ah'm no in Scotland.Ah'm on a rock oot in the middle o the atlantic.Newfoundland.Last year mah lupins came up twice. Mah pal in Toronto has a cottage an used tae jump aff his deck intae the watter ,no he has tae pack a lunch tae reach it. Apairt fae that the air pollution wid choke ye.It wisnae like that when ah lived there.ljc |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: Sorcha Date: 10 Jan 01 - 07:57 PM ljc, you could just move to Iowa........if you are that worried. |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: little john cameron Date: 10 Jan 01 - 08:04 PM Ah'm no actually worryin,as some o ye know ah nearly croaked a couple o time.Dis yer answer no sound a bit like screw you Jack ah'm awricht.Sometimes ye hae tae step back an look at the big picture.This is a very important topic is the history o the human race,no tae mention the puir beasties that are affected through nae fault o their ain. ljc |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: Lox Date: 10 Jan 01 - 08:13 PM It's a matter of science, not a debate between optimists and pessimists. Climate change is happening, but we can still prevent it from becoming critical. This doesn't mean "change or die", it means maintaining the most important thing you have - your home - so that your kids can enjoy it too. It's like owning a corvette. You can burn it out, or you can take care of it so that it can be used again. The difference is, that there is only one, and everyone has an equal claim to it. If I ruin it when it's my go, it will be less fun and more dangerous for those who wish to use it after me. Then I wonder which I value more. My home, (Earth) or a corvette. lox |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: catspaw49 Date: 10 Jan 01 - 08:34 PM I'd value the earth because the 'Vette analogy doesn't work for me. As a past owner of 7 'Vettes, an E-Type, a Lotus BRM Street Elan, and numerous pieces of American muscle iron, I'd prefer to rip their guts out. What's the point of owning a high performance automobile otherwise? Spaw |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: little john cameron Date: 10 Jan 01 - 08:48 PM Can ye still afford tae pit gas in them Pat.When the ane ah hae noo is clapped oot that's it for me,whit wi the cost o gas,insurance,registration an aw thing else it is gettin tae be an expensive convenience. Anither thing is ah never thocht the day wid come when ah wisnae alood tae go oot an catch a fish for mah denner. ljc |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: katlaughing Date: 10 Jan 01 - 08:55 PM ljc, it is not too late, IF enough people would live in a green manner. I think we are having changes and they may be accelerated, but the actions of each and every one of us CAN make a difference, just hopefully the majority will choose the save our mother direction. I know that sounds like pollyanna, but it is true.
Recycle I am convinced that if we do have an earth tilt, it will be for the best. Maybe not for all of us, but for the earth and her critters. I do think, if it happens, there will be many leftover to show the new ones how to do things properly. BUT, I do NOT think it has to come to that!! I think it could get a lot worse before it gets better, though. Do I sound confused? I probably am, trying to believe in the Highest Good for all concerned and shaking my head at the constant waste and disregard I see around me. Finally, I do believe that, just as we lit a candle for Wesley's sons, and Mousethief's neice, so can we use that concentrated energy to help heal the earth. When I lived in CT, a group of us got together one Sunday per month for a Mother Earth healing ceremony/meditation. Doing that keeps one focused on the practical things one can do as well and I miss it. Maybe we should start having one once per month in PalTalk - Healing songs for Our Mother. luvyakat |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: Ebbie Date: 10 Jan 01 - 09:28 PM Meditation and prayer and proclamations- that's the ticket... In tonight's local paper is this report: (City Assembly Board Member)Frankie Pillifant submitted a proclamation that passed unanamously at a meeting Monday night. "The people and assembly of Juneau most respectfuly request that the Power Having Authority Over Snow grant our request for usable precipitation in the form of snow sufficient for downhill thrills, but insufficient to requie rooftop shoveling," the proclamation stated. "It think it's going to help," (Eaglecrest Ski Area manager) Gary Mendivil said. "Sometimes you've got to embarrass the weather into doing something." Hey, we know how to do these things. Eb |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: Sorcha Date: 10 Jan 01 - 09:46 PM Oh dear........reminds me, quite a few years ago when the Great Salt Lake was rising rapidly and inundating beaches, resorts, etc. the Utah Legisture passed a law that made it illegal for the Great Salt Lake to rise anymore.....as far as I know, it is still rising..... |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: little john cameron Date: 10 Jan 01 - 09:59 PM ljc, it is not too late, IF enough people would live in a green manner. I think we are having changes and they may be accelerated, but the actions of each and every one of us CAN make a difference, just hopefully the majority will choose the save our mother direction Kat,there is the problem.Ah jist saw on the news that Bill Gates lost 50Billion lately bit didnae look too worried.Also they are haein trouble decidin whit tae dae wi auld computers.The recyclin guy said they only tak pentium an up.That leaves a lot o junk in the land fill. A guid indication o the concern wid be the replies tae this post.Compared tae the concern aboot Rick bein God or no should be interestin. ljc |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: katlaughing Date: 10 Jan 01 - 10:19 PM Yeah, it is easier to get riled up about something which does not require anything but pithy repartee or not. This involves a lot more and could require one to take some kind of action, etc. NOT that I don't think Mudcatters are willing, it just takes more energy...nice little catch-22, takes more of our energy to conserve energy and our home. |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: Jon Freeman Date: 10 Jan 01 - 10:29 PM ljc, can you make any sense of Revelations. My own feeling is that the anwers lie in there and not in scientific thoeries. I guess only time will tell... Jon |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: little john cameron Date: 10 Jan 01 - 10:36 PM YES JON I CAN.But if i started on about that we would awaken the mudcat fire dragon. ljc |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: katlaughing Date: 10 Jan 01 - 10:53 PM Bottom line for me is, if enough people give it their energy and belief, it will happen; if enough people give the alternative their energy and belief, then it will be otherwise. |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: katlaughing Date: 10 Jan 01 - 11:24 PM On second thought, perhaps we will split into parallel universes and we'll each get what we envision and believe in! Or, are we already? |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: blt Date: 11 Jan 01 - 12:35 AM It's hard not to think that in 50 years or less, the species running the earth might be cockroaches. We as humans seem to be relatively undisturbed by massive extinctions and die-offs of plants and animals. It's almost as if we are running full tilt off the edge of a cliff that we can't see, and we simply ignore the warning signs posted in plain sight. It's definitely getting warmer, there are lakes in the polar regions where there used to be ice, the permafrost is melting, there has been an increase in volcanic and seismic activity worldwide--and I suspect these things grow exponentially, both in terms of their impact and the amount of denial we as humans experience. Maybe the unavoidable conclusion is just too unthinkable--the human ego system globally protecting itself--it's hard to know. And, will the earth survive? I think I would personally feel a whole lot better if I thought the earth was simply trying to shrug homo sapiens off, and once that was done, life could get back to normal around here. |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: Ebbie Date: 11 Jan 01 - 12:56 AM Up there at 9:28 I related the hi-jinks at the City Assembly- I shall not doubt their efficacy again: IT'S SNOWING!! Eb |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: katlaughing Date: 11 Jan 01 - 02:25 AM Aw, Eb it's just a fluke of some weird weather pattern brought on by El Ninnie, lying low off the coast of Timbuktu, picking up water from the snows of Kilimanjaro, slipping up and over the slopes of Tibet, and sliding on down your way.**BG** blt, I have no doubt the earth will survive in one form or another. It drives people nuts when I tell them that and also that homo sapiens are a fairly new arrival which she can well do without and had done for millennia before their arrival! We're just a drop in the bucket of earth's history...it's that ego you mentioned which keeps people from realising that the earth does not and will not exist for humankind alone. kat |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: Clinton Hammond2 Date: 11 Jan 01 - 02:29 AM Let's hope it's the end of the human race... The planet has hopefully had enough of us! Give the roaches a chance! |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: katlaughing Date: 11 Jan 01 - 02:52 AM Fuck the roaches; they've had a chance from Day One and what've they done, huh???!!! **BG** |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: Lanfranc Date: 11 Jan 01 - 11:49 AM Personally, I doubt whether the ramblings of a third-century "divine" (aka Revelations) have any relevance whatsoever. "Things that you're liable to read in the Bible ain't necessarily so." The gas prices thread gives ample evidence of mankind's basic selfishness. For my own part, I consider that anything we mere mortals can do, whether positive or negative, is merely tinkering at the margins. Other factors acting on our planet, like sunspots, the solar wind, the action of El Nino or the Gulf Stream are so huge and, despite the claims of some scientists, so unpredictable, that for us to claim full responsibility is sheer arrogance. That doesn't mean that we have to be wantonly destructive, however. Whatever your "system of faith", we are only the temporary custodians of our world, and it behoves us to minimise our adverse impact upon it. But ... "... remember, when you're feeling small and insecure, how amazingly unlikely is your birth, and pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space, because there's bugger all down here on earth!" |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: kendall Date: 11 Jan 01 - 12:39 PM I am comforted by the belief that in the long run, it doesn't matter. And, right now, it doesn't matter that it doesn't matter. This earth was not created for us..we are interlopers. |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: little john cameron Date: 11 Jan 01 - 01:14 PM So it seems the concensus is "so what".Are you sure the earth wasn't put here for us?If you look at this experience of life as a period of learning then what have we learned?There seems to be a great deal of denial going on regarding the state we are in.The question has to be asked"Why are all these various situations coming about"Some of you seem to be on the right track when you say about the earth fighting back and trying to kick us off. However,that begs the question!Just to digress from the weather for a minute,why can we not get along with each other?It seems to me that earlier races,who were not so concerned with stuff,seemed to have a more enlightened view of the world. I am trying to talk about this without getting esoteric,but i am finding it very difficult.I am not interested in debating the pros and cons of various half thought out positions on this subject.What i am interested in is trying to find out if someone else out there has seriously pondered this and what they have learned. "There are more things in Heaven and Earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy,Horatio" Keep it up guys,i am really interested in serious opinions. ljc |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: katlaughing Date: 11 Jan 01 - 05:07 PM I didn't say some of what I was going to, also to avoid the esoteric, ljc. |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: little john cameron Date: 11 Jan 01 - 06:53 PM I gathered that Kat as we have spoke along that line before.Doesn't it seem peculiar that people can blether away about inane topics but the fate of millions of inhabitants of our beautiful planet are in the balance?I find the same response from the majority of people i approach about it.This is not a "religious"subject as we are all in this together.Are we afraid of the Mudcat dragon??We had a brief stab at reincarnation a while back but it seemed to get a few backs up.If we are here now,where were we before and where do we go next,or is that IT.This question needs an answer one way or another.Why are we afraid to talk about this? I realise this is primarily a folk music forum,but is folk music not about the human condition"The Rabbie Burns thread seemed to generate a lot of interest.He was one of the greatest humanitarians of our time. Anyway,it seems that Nero has opened up his fiddle case again. ljc |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: Murray MacLeod Date: 11 Jan 01 - 06:57 PM THEIR BRAINS WERE SMALL AND THEY DIED (Mark Graham)
When I sit in contemplation of the human situation
They were creatures in a manner quite reptilian
Perhaps some asteroid that mother earth could not avoid
And when we're gone our works they'll start to crumble
RIP Mother Earth
Murray |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: Murray MacLeod Date: 11 Jan 01 - 07:00 PM This post missed a line, I am going to send again |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: Murray MacLeod Date: 11 Jan 01 - 07:04 PM No I have lost it, but the last line in the first versee after "Beings awesome and grand" should read "The fabulous dinosaur" Murray (yes I know it is in the DT) |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: katlaughing Date: 11 Jan 01 - 07:18 PM Murray, at first when I went into fix it for you, I saw that you had typed in that line. Then I realised the reason it didn't show was because you missed a bracket at the end of your line break just before. It is there now. ljc, I am not afraid to talk about it and I have very specific views and beliefs, as you know, I just don't feel like opening myself up to the kind of ridicule and posturing that went on last time. I do find it pretty incredulous, esp. when you consider whole other societies have a long standing tradition of being in tune and paying attention, which, of course, involves their belief in a daily spirituality and connectedness with all things. kat |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: blt Date: 11 Jan 01 - 11:53 PM If Western physics and Eastern philosphies are true, energy continues on, and I would think that that would include the energy that constitutes a human life. My own thoughts on this are that it takes an act of imagination to step outside the way that, so far, we have conceived of ourselves. I'm not at all convinced this is a matter of time, or that it involves an unknown process. I tend to believe in avatars, or the reincarnation, over the years, of a human who speaks directly to other humans specifically about this issue. The history of how this human is then received is not too good, but perhaps that is irrelevant. I also understand the earth as sentient or as intelligent; when I said she was trying to shake human beings off, I had in mind an image of getting rid of lice or fleas. However, that's probably doing a disservice to the earth's intelligence. On the other hand, she may simply be responding out of common sense and the desire to live. Once, an astrologer assured me that I was the reincarnation of an aspect of the goddess, Lilith. I had never heard of Lilith up to that time, so imagine my surprise to be told she was Adam's first wife. I think that's interesting and certainly improves on the Adam and Eve story. This astrologer also insisted that, as this aspect, at one time I "was" a planet. That's also interesting, although at the time I thought the guy was a crackpot. However, it ties into the question of "where" human energy goes--does this energy return into a sort of galactic pool, waiting to seed an auspicious planet? The latest news in astronomy is that new planetary systems keep being identified, along with "bodies" that can't be called planets (they're too big and don't behave like planets)--what's going on there? As far as the level of current denial among those of us who are earthbound, I've wondered if it's a response to the increased stress of a degrading weather system world-wide, the level of poverty, drug-use, violence (war, domestic violence, abuse, gangs), hunger, illness--I think this way because of the families I see on a daily basis who are now in multi-generational patterns of abuse. If they are a microcasm of the world at large, human beings are suffering terribly and, in general, appear unable to break these abusive cycles, either with themselves, their families, their communities, or the environment. Why? And, if there is a community of humans who do not feel this immobilized or traumatized, who are they? Where are they? blt |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: Ella who is Sooze Date: 12 Jan 01 - 05:05 AM I don't know about anyone else... But lately I have turned into the woman of the many layers... not the seven veils... I make people laugh when I walk into their places... first the hat, gloves, scarf, then the artic double fleece, then the peruvian jumper, followed by micro fleece. Down to the layers that then stay on...(jumper, vest, tights, trousers, socks and thermals) And I have been wondering why my friends have been calling me lizzard lips.... I don't care, I just don't want to be cold! :-) Ella - who can't wait for the summer! |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: little john cameron Date: 12 Jan 01 - 07:26 AM Thank you blt. I see you have given this some serious thought.We have to get rid if dogma in order to have even the remotest hope of enlightenment.I admit that it is hard to think of this heavy stuff when you are starving,being shot at etc.Even the smallest exertion in this direction will show the inter-connectedness of everything.There are,believe it or not quite a few enquiring people around in various places.It seems to me me that if each of us strives to clean up our act then the cumulated effect will be beneficial to the whole. Negative thoughts are a great drawback in this regard as they are drawn toward each other and therefore increase their power.The same can be said for positive thoughts.One of there reasons ,i think,people are afraid to face the problem is that they realise the enormity of darkness we have created around ourselves by wrong thinking. This thought- form business is very important to the effect on the material world as'if allowed to continue the present course can only drag us down. we are ding fine with this thread so far,no hot-spots,if they pop up LEAVE THEM ALONE and they will fizzle out on their one due to lack of fuel.Maybe people will not be so reticent to give their views on this.BTW,I deliberately chose the innocuous Weather title as "The End is near"would have lit the fire. john |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: little john cameron Date: 12 Jan 01 - 12:59 PM In case ye are thinkin it's no me that is writin this,weel ye're wrang!! I thocht standard english wid be better understood.Guid job there is nae shortage o dictionaries on the web. ljc |
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Subject: RE: weather??? From: GUEST,The Burren Ranger Date: 13 Jan 01 - 05:53 AM We all know that Ireland is a wet and misty island...sometimes we get a little as two/three days of sunshine in summmer.....but we've just come through 109 (think about it!) consecutive days rain and storm...is this natural? I think not. TBR |
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