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Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe?
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Subject: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: GUEST Date: 08 Feb 01 - 12:43 PM Are you hosting, adminning, opening, or running an online singing event open to Mudcatters? If so, could you help us simple folk out with the following information? Could you please say a word about when we might expect your activities to occur-- is there a particular day and time you plan to be "open," in Mudcat-time terms-- so we can plan our own schedules and have our music, etc. handy? How will you be titling the threads you use to announce these, so we can watch for these great opportunities? Do you have any particular guidelines you use when you do this, that we might like to be aware of? What's the procedure in your *room*? Are there some threads relating to your activities that would be a good idea for us to review? (Links appreciated.) What do the people who *attend* your activities seem to get out of the experience? (May seem obvious to you but if we have not been there....)
What do you love most about doing this? What's hard about it?
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: nutty Date: 08 Feb 01 - 12:54 PM For goodness sake - we're running a sing-around not writing a thesis - Perhaps "GUEST" might like to suggest how it might be worded |
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: Dave (the ancient mariner) Date: 08 Feb 01 - 12:55 PM Dear Guest. The paltalk room is opened by Mudcatters who have been given admin rights. To be an admin you must have a Mudcat registration. Since it is voluntary and informal the room opens and closes as members (there are several who can) are able to open it. On the paltalk Music sites the name will appear ...Mudcat>>> (something) and unless it is a locked room designated by a padlock logo (meaning invite only) you merely click on and enter the room. Be sure to have the show adult rooms clicked on your paltalk category box. Hopefully we shall have the open room running frequently, and you can join us. Usually someone creates a thread to inform everyone that the room is open; but we now have a temporary problem with identification. Just look for a Mudcat Music Room and click on. If you want an invite identify yourself, and you will get an invite. (these are house rules by the way not my personal ones)Yours, Aye. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: GUEST Date: 08 Feb 01 - 01:00 PM Dave, thanks, that is very helpful. What differentiates the ones you run from others, and how will I recognize yours from the thread titles you use? |
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: Noreen Date: 08 Feb 01 - 01:01 PM Why is it not possible for you to give yourself a name, GUEST? |
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: Katcina Date: 08 Feb 01 - 01:03 PM We now usually say "Pal Talk Mudcat Room Open" |
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: John Routledge Date: 08 Feb 01 - 01:04 PM I AGREE WITH NUTTY AND NOREEN. GB |
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: nutty Date: 08 Feb 01 - 01:07 PM "GUEST" I'm sure that if you put PALTALK into FORUM SEARCH you would get more than enough information. |
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: mkebenn Date: 08 Feb 01 - 01:09 PM Either I got a hell of alot smarter, or this isn't rocket science. Um, is that rat I smell..Mike the micless(for now) |
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: Dave (the ancient mariner) Date: 08 Feb 01 - 01:10 PM Guest. I am one of several people who open the room, not the main person. I have actually been helping out rather than running them lately. I have now created a locked private room for a few friends and myself to enjoy; and prefer to keep that private to stop some harassment. You will find me in the open room along with many others, as I believe we should be open to new people. Sadly there has been abuse and acrimony lately and in order to preserve some personal space with people I have come to really like and respect, it has become necessary to open my own room. |
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: Lox Date: 08 Feb 01 - 01:18 PM Whats the deal here with your impatience folks? We have a guest here who wants to get involved. It looks to me as if you are trying to drive them away. Considering all the repetetive (and by this time boring) talk about flamers, I can't help but think that you are being hypocritical and rude. Guest - Hi, welcome, and have fun. The Paltalk song circle is easy to figure out, fun and illuminating as there are some great singers and players here. lox |
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: nutty Date: 08 Feb 01 - 01:18 PM Definitely rats Mike and it doesn't need a terrier to find them |
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: GUEST, Simple Questions Date: 08 Feb 01 - 01:19 PM Dave, thank you for the additional information. I appreciate your spirit of helping when questions are asked. I am not the only one who would just like to know how to sort out what all the opportunities are. The confusion over the rancor has made it pretty hard to see what's what if one simply wants to find a nice place to go. I really just want the information I asked for, but you can see that simply asking basic questions has already brought a number of feelings out. It's a sad day when a request for information is taken as a negative thing, at a place like the Mudcat. That's why I have not signed these posts. The questions speak for themselves. No one is being forced to answer them. Does everyone who has answered host a room, BTW? If you choose to respond to these questions with suspicion and criticism, well, thanks for showing me how you see your world today. I hope you see it more positively another time.
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: nutty Date: 08 Feb 01 - 01:22 PM My comments about seeing the "Dark Side of Mudcat" still stand. This really is devisive and you are starting to repeat yourself "GUEST" |
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: Noreen Date: 08 Feb 01 - 01:22 PM Well twigged Mike. |
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: mkebenn Date: 08 Feb 01 - 01:25 PM It' the not signing that bothers me, like "unnamed sources" always push my buttons, not the request for info. In the event I'm wrong, I really appologise, and I am Mike |
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: GUEST Date: 08 Feb 01 - 01:30 PM Mike, it's always nice to run into another open mind. The things people post here, I suspect, will speak for themselves. I think I'll check in later and see if anyone else has been able to simply provide requested information.
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: Lox Date: 08 Feb 01 - 01:30 PM What do they call you GUEST? lox |
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: John Routledge Date: 08 Feb 01 - 01:30 PM GUEST - An anonymous request for information has not unnaturally been treated negatively. Hence the request for a name in order to give a positive response. Be positive? GBroon |
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: nutty Date: 08 Feb 01 - 01:31 PM MIKE - if you read very carefully through the " Too Many Taverns" Threads and compare what was being asked there and what is being asked here - it should not take you long to work out the identity of our mystery guest |
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: Noreen Date: 08 Feb 01 - 01:33 PM Lox, sorry to have given you that impression. I have boundless patience with true guests who are seeking information- plenty of evidence of that in my posts. But this "GUEST" is not such a creature, and knows perfectly well what she is doing. I prefer openness and honesty myself. Noreen |
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: mkebenn Date: 08 Feb 01 - 01:37 PM Nutty, I'll do my homework now, came to class unprepared again.. Mike |
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: MMario Date: 08 Feb 01 - 01:39 PM any of those who have answered CAN host a room if they so desire - most of your questions can be answered by checking out previous Paltalk threads. also one should go to the paltalk site (www.paltalk.com) and check the information there. there are a number of people who can open and administer other rooms - tho' they don't have one of their "own" The primary requirements for hosting a room are the time and responsibility. the "owner" of the room bears responsibility for it even if they never attend or administer it as far as Paltalk is concerned. |
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: Katcina Date: 08 Feb 01 - 01:48 PM Dear Guest, We have had problems with outsiders and some are very cautious because of it. I try to find the good in everyone if at all possible. I admin in all of the Pal Talk Mudcat rooms and many other Pal Talk rooms as well. If there is any way in which I may be of assistance please contact me and I will do all that I can to oblige you with answers to any problems. Thank you for your interest in Mudcat. Sincerely, Katcina |
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: dwditty Date: 08 Feb 01 - 02:00 PM For me, Paltalk is fun. Nothing more...nothing less. Sometimes I go to mudcat rooms. Sometimes I go to other rooms. There are some that are more acoustic rock than folk-blues. There are some that play a lot of records (and what fun it is to hit 'em with a live number when they are not expecting it). I go to jazz rooms and play. Country rooms and play. My style is to mind my own business, do my thing, and try not to disturb what folks have created. As the mock turtle once said, "Never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to thenm to be otherwise." or "Somebody said," Alice whispered, "that it's done by everybody minding their own business!" "Ah, well! It means much the same thing," said the Duchess, digging her sharp little chin into Alice's shoulder as she added, "and the moral of that is--"Take care of the sense, and the sounds will take care of themselves." (this quote just seemed to damned appropriate to leave out of a Paltalk thread.) As for me, I don't have time to practice much. I don't have time to put together an act, contract gigs, etc. So, Paltalk is an opportunity for me to share some music I love with others. Some seem to appreciate it, others may not. I fully expect those others to find something to do for the 2 or 3 minutes that I am playing. The rooms are open at many different times. If I open a room, I post a thread that I have done so. My life is not nearly organized enough for me to plan a time to do so. I just do it. I suggest you browse Paltalk anytime from about 3pm mudcat time until midnight or so. Many other rooms are also open in the evenings as well. Advice? Relax and enjoy. If something does seem quite right in a room, go on to another and check back later. The mood definitely changes with the audience. Bottom line, have fun. It ain't life or death. So, Guest, a warm welcome. Hope to hear you soon. dw Rich Gallagher |
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: John Routledge Date: 08 Feb 01 - 02:08 PM Lovely summing up Rich. Can we now all get on with the serius business of enjoying our varied music. Cheers GBroon |
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: GUEST, Simple Questions Date: 08 Feb 01 - 02:10 PM Since MMario usually has excellent advice to offer, and offered it so helpfully, I took a moment to search up 90 days' worth of threads on relevant topics. (I had not done so till now because I thought the search would be case sensitive, and the idea of searching every possible spelling of every likely title had curled my toes. Fortunately however, the filter is NOT case sensitive.) With some duplication between words used to filter, there were about a 100 threads titled with [PalTalk] and [HearMe], 35 with [Concert], and 10 with [Song circle]. Of these, the most interesting thread title, which I did open as I would whenever distracted during a search by something interesting-looking, was "Song Circle, Omelette Dinner, & Blues," but it was about a live 3D event in Toledo. I might have gone, too, but it turned out to be in Toledo OREGON, so good thing I read carefully! Time to read through even the lists of the rest-- do any of us have that much time when the info may or may not be there and the people hosting then may or may not be planning on hosting now or in the near future? There are seven threads (8 with this one) just in today's list. They contain a lot of confusing information, unless you already have *done* these activities-- not the answers to my questions. For instance, in some threads in past days, people have been saying they will or will not continue to participate or host things. One is left wondering, which ones were venting frustration and which ones meant it? It IS very confusing. Katcina, your reply was very helpful. I had not known what your role is until now, and your straightforward reply was clear. I know you can't speak for the other people who are hosting rooms, but if I have a question you can answer I will surely ask. In the meantime, can you tell me more about the ones you host, in terms of the questions I asked, so I will be able to find you in the threads? Or are these only listed in the PalTalk pages-- where will my best source of information be? Even if those planning to host would simply indicate so, I could get up to date information by searching by name of poster to find threads they've created with whatever title comes to them on any given day. This alone would be more than we know now. Who was it asked what people call me so they can address me positively? Do you really need to know who you address in order to be positive? I really do have other stuff to do. I'll check back later.
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: GUEST, Simple Questions Date: 08 Feb 01 - 02:13 PM Thanks, Rich. We cross-posted. |
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: nutty Date: 08 Feb 01 - 02:18 PM The one important thing you should have noticed about the threads is that whenever a question has been asked, it has been answered politely and promptly - by people who had no difficulty identifying themselves |
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: mkebenn Date: 08 Feb 01 - 02:19 PM With your nose growing so fast, it's amazing you can get close enough to the screen to type.BTW, is there another Toledo? Mike |
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: MMario Date: 08 Feb 01 - 02:41 PM guest - what you seem to be saying is that your time is more valuable then the time of the people who are answering your questions. (or at least trying to answer your questions). the reason I suggested going through the threads - (though I should have told you you need to go back about a year to get an accurate picture) is that the interaction on the threads will give you a better understanding of what hearme and Paltalk have contributed to the MudCat - as well as the mechanics of using them. Yes - those of us who have been around longer have an advantage to some extent - but many of us have also spent hours on end researching and reading old threads. |
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: GUEST Date: 08 Feb 01 - 04:55 PM Could you kind folks answer just a few simple questions about the socia-political impact of Paltalk? 1.) How has the election of George W. Bush as President effected your involvment in music-related Paltalk rooms? 2.) Since there are a substaintial amount of Indians and Pakistanis using Paltalk, how do you think the recent earthquakes in this part of the work will affect overall Paltalk music room attendance? If so, is it possible to push increased Paltalk downloads among the people of third-world nations who are PC literate, to make up for the loss of members? 3.) Have any of those who have hosted Paltalk music rooms in the past have any plans to run for public office? If so, how have the "red dot" and "bounce" option influenced your personal political philosophy? 4.) Is it possible that the power weilded by Paltalk music room administators could eventually snowball into a Socialist musical society on the Internet? 5.) At this time, is there any move to turn all 6 parts of the "Conservative Cavalry" and "BUSHwacked" threads into a song that might be considered "folk" by future generations? If so, will a Paltalk music room be specifically structured for the performace of this material? 6.) Is there a way that I can obtain all the Mudcat threads that may possibly deal with these issues, and have them in a clearly organized form, suitable for framing, with all sources noted, and in MLA format, without myself having to lift one of my fat, sausage-like fingers? 7.) I have run a preliminary search on the Mudcat Supersearh (actually my pet marmoset performed this task in accordance with my undertaking) and discovered 252, 647 cases where the word "fock" was used. In Paltalk music rooms, where both text and voice audio are available options, do participants in such Paltalk music room events prefer to type "fock", or merely say it? I'm sure I'll get an "A" on this. By the way, my email address is monkee@thezoo.com I won't be back, I will not acknowledge you with an expression of thanks, and I will not sign my name under the 5th Amendment Right not to self-incriminate myself. |
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: MMario Date: 08 Feb 01 - 05:04 PM taking your last paragraph in reverse order: Why should the fifth ammendment apply in an international forum? We didn't expect any, really Thank you! I wish I could believe that. |
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: Matt_R Date: 08 Feb 01 - 05:50 PM Ooops Mario...I forgot to sign my name above! GOTCHA! |
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: GUEST, Simple Questions Date: 08 Feb 01 - 05:56 PM MMario, I am very sorry if my statement (of the amount of time I have) came off as a comment on the relative value of people's time. Neither in my head nor in my heart is any such sentiment. And I too have spent hours reviewing threads from the past. The people who have answered my questions in good faith have given me more information than I have been able to winnow out of all of the threads I have already looked at. If a few more people who plan on actively hosting [whatever we call these events] will just address the questions as positively, maybe this too will become one of the threads people can learn from.
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: Jon Freeman Date: 08 Feb 01 - 06:31 PM "Could you please say a word about when we might expect your activities to occur-- is there a particular day and time you plan to be "open," in Mudcat-time terms-- so we can plan our own schedules and have our music, etc. handy? No future plans. The Mudcat Song Circle was started whenever an admin decided to open it and closed when there was no one left willing to continue admin duties or perhaps when the room emptied. A typical start time would be 6:00pm but there were no hard and fast rules - bear in mind the room had admins in North America, the UK, Australia and New Zealand. "How will you be titling the threads you use to announce these, so we can watch for these great opportunities?" Most threads announcing events have the word PalTalk in them - just keep your eyes out. "Do you have any particular guidelines you use when you do this, that we might like to be aware of? What's the procedure in your *room*?" The Mudcat Song Circle was strictly for live (no recordings or karaoke) music. The focus was heavily on Folk and Blues but that wasn't rigidly enforced. The descision as to what was and wasn't appropriate was left to the discretion of the admin at the time. "Are there some threads relating to your activities that would be a good idea for us to review? (Links appreciated.) " You could read through past threads but really with all these rooms, you are better off just visiting them and getting your own feel for them. "What do the people who *attend* your activities seem to get out of the experience? (May seem obvious to you but if we have not been there....)" I guess the oppertunity to share music with others. "What do you love most about doing this? What's hard about it?" Love: Joining in with and listening to others. Hard: I "owned" a room that could be opened by a number of admins 24hrs a day, 7 days a week. As the owner, I was responsible (according to PalTalk rules) for the room. I obviously trusted the Admins who did an excellent job but I still felt that there was a need to keep a slight check on things when problems cropped up and to ensure PalTalk rules were adhered to, e.g. there was a question over whether we could bounce a persistent nuisance on sight because of his behavior. Impossible: 1. Trying to run a room of this type, keep it available all the while and keep everybody in Mudcat happy. 2. Not getting ground down by grumbles and politics. Jon
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: Bill D Date: 08 Feb 01 - 06:44 PM *grin*///the things you miss when you are not on much for a couple of days... good golly, GUEST, all we are mostly is some folks who push some buttons and sing some songs together....it ain't no United Nations conference. say hello...give a 'name' and people will welcome you! You really DID make it seem awfully stiff & formal just to ask where to find some singin'........ |
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: John Routledge Date: 08 Feb 01 - 06:53 PM This thread gets more bizzare with almost every post. It just gets curiouser and curiouser. Yours Bizzarely Geordie Broon |
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Subject: RE: Hosting Online Sings, PalTalk or HearMe? From: Noreen Date: 09 Feb 01 - 06:57 AM Mattie- I liked it. And to anyone else who does genuinely want to know more, just go along and try it! (If you can... I know it must be very frustrating for those whose computers won't co-operate with PalTalk.) Noreen |
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